Is the Lockdown2 announcement a dead cat to distract from the International Law-breaking... which was itself a dead cat to distract from World-beating Testing Fiasco?
Its going to be from next Monday, so of course loads of people will go on mental benders, meet as many different mates etc over the weekend.
Yep. Another blinder from this shambles of a government. When people have fly hundreds of miles to get home the deadline is 4am the day after the announcement. When it's socialising down the park - we give everyone 5 days notice.
Its going to be from next Monday, so of course loads of people will go on mental benders, meet as many different mates etc over the weekend.
It's almost as if we learned nothing from doing exactly the same thing in march. Boris is a fool.
Well you only have to look at allowing foreign holidays. How did it spread in the first place, ski holidays in italy and Austria. What do we decide to do when coming out of lockdown,....rinse and repeat.
Its going to be from next Monday, so of course loads of people will go on mental benders, meet as many different mates etc over the weekend.
Yep. Another blinder from this shambles of a government. When people have fly hundreds of miles to get home the deadline is 4am the day after the announcement. When it's socialising down the park - we give everyone 5 days notice.
Incredible.
The intial quarantine for incoming travellers was two months late and then gave two more weeks notice IIRC.
They said they'd guarantee it 'in all circumstances', not sure how much more unequivocal you can get than that.
The White Paper said "Once in a Generation"
not sure how much more unequivocal you can get than that.
It said they believed it would be a once in a generation event as they couldn't guarantee the UK government would allow another IndyRef, not that the SNP thought there shouldn't be another. 557. If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Is that it?
There's no commitment whatsoever there to not hold another, just that it's an opportunity then.
Well if the SNP wins a majority next year it will be another opportunity. That is all.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Be careful of living in the past, it means you'll end up flat sharing mental (and i mean mental) space with BJ and HYUFD.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
They could really jump the shark and replace Boris Johnson with Tony Abbott, followed by Julia Gillard entering UK politics and becoming Labour leader so we can have an Australian-style election to go with our Australian-style trade deal and Australian-style points system.
We'd need to get Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison on the bench pronto too though.
The data throughout the country must looking really bad if the government have effectively abandoned the idea of containment via local lockdown.
Perhaps they are seeing what is happening at schools, and thinking ahead to what will happen when young adults pitch up at universities from all different parts of the country.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Indeed which is why Boris will correctly refuse and the Tory majority in the Commons will vote down indyref2 as long as they remain in power and if they win the next general election probably until near the end of the decade ie a genuine generation
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
Everyone says that about Freshers.
Yes, I got battered all week but there wasn't anything like the level of hanky panky I was led to expect.
KANYE WEST qualifies for general election ballot in - wait for it - Mississippi.
He qualified today, by paying $2,500 filing fee and submitting at least 1,000 (apparently) valid voter signatures.
So far, KW has qualified for the ballot in eleven states: > Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont
Of the remaining 39 states, KW has either missed deadline OR had his ballot access denied. One state is still pending: Kentucky.
Note that out of the dozen states listed above, only three appear to be in play for the presidential election, namely CO, IA & MN.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
Everyone says that about Freshers.
Yes, I got battered all week but there wasn't anything like the level of hanky panky I was led to expect.
Just had an interesting debate with the partner. Is this government malign or do they have the best intentions? We concluded that they are so lacking in coherence and competence that it is impossible to tell.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
Sometimes it doesn't matter so a popular idea is fine, but this is seriously going to harm the UK's reputation as a safe haven for investment. If the government doesn't u turn on this and apologise for trying to flour international law and our own rule of law the City will take a hit. That's a real tangible consequence of today's actions. It's the kind of stuff that puts people out of work because the money has moved to Zurich.
The data throughout the country must looking really bad if the government have effectively abandoned the idea of containment via local lockdown.
Perhaps they are seeing what is happening at schools, and thinking ahead to what will happen when young adults pitch up at universities from all different parts of the country.
I'm afraid that the extreme restrictions being proposed on University students, many away from home for the first time and knowing few people on arrival (but being tied to the people they get tied to initially under accommodation allocations*) is going to lead to massive student drop out and mental health issues.
*and apparently doing all lectures online, so not even having fellow student support networks if struggling with initial work.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
Everyone says that about Freshers.
Yes, I got battered all week but there wasn't anything like the level of hanky panky I was led to expect.
So my one and only night out in the pub. 3 of us at our table from 3 different families. And we got temperature checked on the way in and had to book the table. But "6 indoors" shuts the pub, and my gym.
Will we expect pubs to close? Or will shagger announce pubs are exempt?
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
Everyone says that about Freshers.
Yes, I got battered all week but there wasn't anything like the level of hanky panky I was led to expect.
You needed some quality chat up lines like
'Do you have any Yorkshire in you? No, well would you like some?'
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
My eldest at Manchester is Online all year. They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
My appeal to my Brexiteer allies and friends would be that this goes beyond Brexit.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
Packed restaurants in August. Cases spiking across the nation the next month.
Until two weeks ago the authorities were adamant that pubs and restaurants explicitly WEREN'T the problem - so much so that many of the local lockdown measures have imposed harsher conditions on groupings in private households than in public venues.
Just had an interesting debate with the partner. Is this government malign or do they have the best intentions? We concluded that they are so lacking in coherence and competence that it is impossible to tell.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
No.
I expected this would be necessary at some points from the moment we decided to Brexit. You can't tear up an old order and build a new one without breaking a few eggs.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
A reputation built up over centuries doesn't dissolve in a day. This isn't the piece of international law on which I would personally choose to spend political or reputational capital, but it's hardly the end of us, not least because of what so many other countries have been doing to their reputations in recent times. Maybe it's just because I've been following US politics fairly obsessively for the last 5 years, but this wouldn't account for 0.1% of the reputational damage Trump has inflicted on the US in the international sphere alone, and yet somehow the country still stands. We - and the world - will get over it.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
A reputation built up over centuries doesn't dissolve in a day. This isn't the piece of international law on which I would personally choose to spend political or reputational capital, but it's hardly the end of us, not least because of what so many other countires have been doing to their reputations in recent times. Maybe it's just because I've been following US politics fairly obsessively for the last 5 years, but this wouldn't account for 0.1% of the reputational damage Trump has inflicted on the US in the international sphere alone. We - and the world - will get over it.
Its going to be from next Monday, so of course loads of people will go on mental benders, meet as many different mates etc over the weekend.
It's almost as if we learned nothing from doing exactly the same thing in march. Boris is a fool.
Well you only have to look at allowing foreign holidays. How did it spread in the first place, ski holidays in italy and Austria. What do we decide to do when coming out of lockdown,....rinse and repeat.
I would have thought that with our "world beating" Test and Trace should be able to comment on where cases have been caught, whether Zante nightclub or the London rd Restaurant strip.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
My eldest at Manchester is Online all year. They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
Like so much with covid the old ways will disappear and new ways become the normal and 100% online universities is coming and very fast
So my one and only night out in the pub. 3 of us at our table from 3 different families. And we got temperature checked on the way in and had to book the table. But "6 indoors" shuts the pub, and my gym.
Will we expect pubs to close? Or will shagger announce pubs are exempt?
What about places of worship? We've only just got ours back. Meeting for Friday on how to get 12 in. New agenda I reckon.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
My appeal to my Brexiteer allies and friends would be that this goes beyond Brexit.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
Abrogating treaties is not the way to build a country for the future. Especially one that needs to sign 50-70 trade deals in the next 5 years. We have no recent history as an independent nation which upholds international trade treaties, we've done so via EU mechanisms. The moment we're out of those mechanisms we have made an illegal move with the first major trade treaty we signed. It's a disaster.
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Indeed which is why Boris will correctly refuse and the Tory majority in the Commons will vote down indyref2 as long as they remain in power and if they win the next general election probably until near the end of the decade ie a genuine generation
We can play this shite game all night.
'The Smith Commission 2015, agreed by the five political parties.
18. It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose.'
So my one and only night out in the pub. 3 of us at our table from 3 different families. And we got temperature checked on the way in and had to book the table. But "6 indoors" shuts the pub, and my gym.
Will we expect pubs to close? Or will shagger announce pubs are exempt?
What about places of worship? We've only just got ours back. Meeting for Friday on how to get 12 in. New agenda I reckon.
What's the difference between 60 in a pub on 10 tables and 60 socially distanced in a Church?
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
My eldest at Manchester is Online all year. They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
Like so much with covid the old ways will disappear and new ways become the normal and 100% online universities is coming and very fast
Might as well just nationalise them all and call it the "Open University". A university education can't be delivered online. Everyone knows that. It's not just about teaching. It's about meeting intellectual peers, relationships, debating ideas, challenging each other...
Not reading a textbook, hearing a few lectures, and sitting a few exams.
They said they'd guarantee it 'in all circumstances', not sure how much more unequivocal you can get than that.
The White Paper said "Once in a Generation"
not sure how much more unequivocal you can get than that.
It said they believed it would be a once in a generation event as they couldn't guarantee the UK government would allow another IndyRef, not that the SNP thought there shouldn't be another. 557. If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
My appeal to my Brexiteer allies and friends would be that this goes beyond Brexit.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
And I hope and expect we still will have one.
Are you saying you would never in any circumstances break a treaty no matter how awful?
Let's say hypothetically that the Lisbon Treaty hadn't had Article 50 so there was no way out within EU rules, are you suggesting we should be stuck in the EU indefinitely then on that basis?
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
No.
I expected this would be necessary at some points from the moment we decided to Brexit. You can't tear up an old order and build a new one without breaking a few eggs.
If one of the eggs is the "rule of law" then I don't want that new order. And I don't think you should either.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
My eldest at Manchester is Online all year. They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
Like so much with covid the old ways will disappear and new ways become the normal and 100% online universities is coming and very fast
They had better drop their fees then. £9,000 per year for some online stuff is a bit steep...
Packed restaurants in August. Cases spiking across the nation the next month.
Until two weeks ago the authorities were adamant that pubs and restaurants explicitly WEREN'T the problem - so much so that many of the local lockdown measures have imposed harsher conditions on groupings in private households than in public venues.
This was Leicester in August, in our extended "lockdown".
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Indeed which is why Boris will correctly refuse and the Tory majority in the Commons will vote down indyref2 as long as they remain in power and if they win the next general election probably until near the end of the decade ie a genuine generation
We can play this shite game all night.
'The Smith Commission 2015, agreed by the five political parties.
18. It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose.'
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
My appeal to my Brexiteer allies and friends would be that this goes beyond Brexit.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
And I hope and expect we still will have one.
Are you saying you would never in any circumstances break a treaty no matter how awful?
Let's say hypothetically that the Lisbon Treaty hadn't had Article 50 so there was no way out within EU rules, are you suggesting we should be stuck in the EU indefinitely then on that basis?
No, we'd get mutual consent from the EU and repeal the ECA. The EU wouldn't lock us in after a democratic vote to leave.
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
No.
I expected this would be necessary at some points from the moment we decided to Brexit. You can't tear up an old order and build a new one without breaking a few eggs.
If one of the eggs is the "rule of law" then I don't want that new order. And I don't think you should either.
If Parliament changes the law we still have the rule of law.
I can't see freshers sticking to these rules. A load of horny 18/19 year olds away from home for the first time and you are going to tell them to only socialise with their flatmates. Aint going to hold for very long.
My niece in Scotland has just said her daughters university in Glasgow has gone 100% online until Christmas at least
My eldest at Manchester is Online all year. They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
Like so much with covid the old ways will disappear and new ways become the normal and 100% online universities is coming and very fast
Yep indeedy. The suspicion is the once a week is to keep them in the area, and at least partially justify the exorbitant fees.
Pubs will clearly be closed if it means keeping kids at school.
I'm trying to move at the moment, might reconsider again
It's a completely bogus trade off. At the moment, it appears that every time a school child even hints at COVID symptoms they have to self isolate, and a positive test sends entire classes and year groups home. The schools won't last a few weeks of winter anyway under this approach, regardless of what's happening with pubs.
We have to be careful here - there's still multiple other vaccine trials running, and I'm not sure that one adverse reaction means the AstraZeneca one is counted out.
Another way of thinking about it, one adverse reaction out of how many tens of thousands given the dose?
Well this is a point. All vaccines have the potential to trigger negative responses for some individuals. But of course normally such things aren't reported and splashed all over national media. Probably one report of a single adverse response in trials is likely to lead to a decline of many %points in eventual uptake for what will probably be a voluntary programme.
"This was our Brexit detox," was how one senior Labour figure put it. "We are now the party of getting on with Brexit and saying the only people frustrating now are the Conservatives."
Sir Keir is attempting to rehabilitate the Labour Party with swathes of former Labour-voting Brexiteers, while also trying to lay the blame for a failure to secure a trade deal not at the feet of the EU but at the feet of the prime minister.
The Telegraph also reports that two of the other leading vaccines need to be stored at -70c at all times, so basically very difficult to deploy in lots of countries (even if they work).
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
And this isn't about public opinion. This is about something that actually matters for the future prosperity of the country.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
My appeal to my Brexiteer allies and friends would be that this goes beyond Brexit.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
And I hope and expect we still will have one.
Are you saying you would never in any circumstances break a treaty no matter how awful?
Let's say hypothetically that the Lisbon Treaty hadn't had Article 50 so there was no way out within EU rules, are you suggesting we should be stuck in the EU indefinitely then on that basis?
No, we'd get mutual consent from the EU and repeal the ECA. The EU wouldn't lock us in after a democratic vote to leave.
And if they did lock us in? If they like the USA in the 1850s said there was no way out but unlike the USA they weren't prepared to go to war over it ... what then?
Remember too that without Article 50 we could only leave either by unilateral repeal, or via agreement. There would have been no time lapsed exit. So they could demand onerous terms and if so would you refuse to consider a unilateral repeal?
Oooh, what law is the Government breaking, the public will wonder? Mass internment without trial, confiscation of private property, the army allowed to shoot civilians on sight for littering?
What that? They're fiddling with bits of the Brexit legislation relating to the Northern Ireland Protocol? Yes, that's very important I'm surezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
You're not concerning by the Government publicly admitting it is breaking international law and the impact on our reputation as a nation?
No.
I expected this would be necessary at some points from the moment we decided to Brexit. You can't tear up an old order and build a new one without breaking a few eggs.
If one of the eggs is the "rule of law" then I don't want that new order. And I don't think you should either.
If Parliament changes the law we still have the rule of law.
That's not true, international treaties are not something parliament can unilaterally change. There are mechanisms to do so which include two party consent or arbitration due to a perceived breach of terms. I don't understand why you can't see that this is a disaster for a country that needs to rely on international laws to enforce trade deals we're going to sign and for a country that needs hundreds of billions in FDI over the next decade.
We need other countries to stick to these laws we are now breaking.
The worst part of it is that this is for no gain, there is nothing, literally nothing to be gained from the changes proposed. No one gives a shit about the Irish sea border that sort of exists. The Orangeman drum banging losers are not worth this.
If we get an effective and safe vaccine good, if not then we just continue as now, for years if necessary
No. If we don't get a vaccine then the accumulated cost of this limbo makes the alternative strategies of elimination, or dropping all restrictions, increasingly attractive. And there is also the chance that we learn better ways to treat the illness, or to stop its spread, to make both of those alternatives easier to implement.
There's a time limit to this limbo, and it's not measured in multiple years.
Pubs will clearly be closed if it means keeping kids at school.
I'm trying to move at the moment, might reconsider again
It's a completely bogus trade off. At the moment, it appears that every time a school child even hints at COVID symptoms they have to self isolate, and a positive test sends entire classes and year groups home. The schools won't last a few weeks of winter anyway under this approach, regardless of what's happening with pubs.
That is a function of so much legal responsibility having been piled on to schools recently. They are in loco parentis. And have a safeguarding responsibility. Would you have suspected Covid positive kids wondering around? Infecting others and perhaps vulnerable teachers? To whom, as an employer they also have a duty of care?
There will be one, I've just been informed of the specifics of the case and the person in question had a severe degenerative disease, the programme has been paused so they can review participants who have similar conditions and start additional monitoring.
There will be one, I've just been informed of the specifics of the case and the person in question had a severe degenerative disease, the programme has been paused so they can review participants who have similar conditions and start additional monitoring.
"Ministers panic"- the Mail has got it in for the government at the moment, probably taking the cue from its online readers.
Mail has been very vocal about the government failings since it was under "new management", who isn't a big fan of Boris or Brexit.
Yes, there was a change under Greig, but it's got much more vocal in the last month or so. It was broadly supportive in its tone, with qualifications, right through the election and the early crisis, until a few weeks ago, and the Boris speech at the school.
So my one and only night out in the pub. 3 of us at our table from 3 different families. And we got temperature checked on the way in and had to book the table. But "6 indoors" shuts the pub, and my gym.
Will we expect pubs to close? Or will shagger announce pubs are exempt?
What about places of worship? We've only just got ours back. Meeting for Friday on how to get 12 in. New agenda I reckon.
What's the difference between 60 in a pub on 10 tables and 60 socially distanced in a Church?
There will be one, I've just been informed of the specifics of the case and the person in question had a severe degenerative disease, the programme has been paused so they can review participants who have similar conditions and start additional monitoring.
But I presume that means preliminary results aren't going to be published in the next few weeks (as suggested by Sarah Gilbert in August) and this bumps everything months down the road now.
We ain't returning to normal for Christmas (like Boris hoped) lads and lasses.
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Incredible.
557. If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
There's no commitment whatsoever there to not hold another, just that it's an opportunity then.
Well if the SNP wins a majority next year it will be another opportunity. That is all.
I'm getting a bit tired of everyone justifying every outrageous government move with "but it will be very popular"/the people don't care.
There was a time when Government's saw their primary job to serve the interests of the country (and not just the perceived interests of their constituency of support) regardless of short term public opinion. On the basis that by acting competently and in the interests of the country was the best way of being granted further terms in office by the electorate.
It's a high impact game.
- Old proverb
Yes, I got battered all week but there wasn't anything like the level of hanky panky I was led to expect.
He qualified today, by paying $2,500 filing fee and submitting at least 1,000 (apparently) valid voter signatures.
So far, KW has qualified for the ballot in eleven states:
> Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont
Of the remaining 39 states, KW has either missed deadline OR had his ballot access denied. One state is still pending: Kentucky.
Note that out of the dozen states listed above, only three appear to be in play for the presidential election, namely CO, IA & MN.
Is this government malign or do they have the best intentions?
We concluded that they are so lacking in coherence and competence that it is impossible to tell.
*and apparently doing all lectures online, so not even having fellow student support networks if struggling with initial work.
Will we expect pubs to close? Or will shagger announce pubs are exempt?
'Do you have any Yorkshire in you? No, well would you like some?'
They will attend once a week in person. For what and to do what has not yet been entirely established.
We have to have a country we can be proud of at the end of this.
All round to yours for a 48 hour bender, eh?
They are definitely at home for Mr C*ck-up.....
I expected this would be necessary at some points from the moment we decided to Brexit. You can't tear up an old order and build a new one without breaking a few eggs.
https://youtu.be/PDBiLT3LASk
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
We've only just got ours back. Meeting for Friday on how to get 12 in.
New agenda I reckon.
'The Smith Commission 2015, agreed by the five political parties.
18. It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose.'
https://tinyurl.com/y6ya92mu
I'm trying to move at the moment, might reconsider again
Not reading a textbook, hearing a few lectures, and sitting a few exams.
Are you saying you would never in any circumstances break a treaty no matter how awful?
Let's say hypothetically that the Lisbon Treaty hadn't had Article 50 so there was no way out within EU rules, are you suggesting we should be stuck in the EU indefinitely then on that basis?
That's awful if so.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1302584579342073858?s=19
Ironically one of the restaurants is "Jimmy's Killer Prawns". Not one that tempts me!
Keir has played a master stroke
Let's hope Trump issues the vaccine for Americans well before he should, then we'll have a proper trial.
https://twitter.com/mshelicat/status/1303448509341933570?s=21
Sir Keir is attempting to rehabilitate the Labour Party with swathes of former Labour-voting Brexiteers, while also trying to lay the blame for a failure to secure a trade deal not at the feet of the EU but at the feet of the prime minister.
Now this, this is how you win the Red Wall back
Remember too that without Article 50 we could only leave either by unilateral repeal, or via agreement. There would have been no time lapsed exit. So they could demand onerous terms and if so would you refuse to consider a unilateral repeal?
We need other countries to stick to these laws we are now breaking.
The worst part of it is that this is for no gain, there is nothing, literally nothing to be gained from the changes proposed. No one gives a shit about the Irish sea border that sort of exists. The Orangeman drum banging losers are not worth this.
There's a time limit to this limbo, and it's not measured in multiple years.
They are in loco parentis. And have a safeguarding responsibility.
Would you have suspected Covid positive kids wondering around?
Infecting others and perhaps vulnerable teachers?
To whom, as an employer they also have a duty of care?
We ain't returning to normal for Christmas (like Boris hoped) lads and lasses.