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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    I see Harry Maguire is no longer guilty, does that mean he's back in the England squad?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1298634153362104320?s=20

    Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.

    LOL , laugh of the day. The nutters in London spend all the cash and say it was Scotland. You could not make it up and yet morons post it here and on twitter etc as if it was real.
    Think I will apportion all my debts to the bank and make myself a millionaire.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited August 2020
    This is some of the most hostile coverage from the Mail since the election. Downing Street will not be pleased.

    "What is he on about?

    PM's back-to-school speech blaming 'mutant algorithm' for exam fiasco leaves class of 11-year-olds looking baffled he goes off-piste to insist 'Harry Potter isn't sexist' and 'it's politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia'

    Boris Johnson told bemused schoolchildren that it is politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia and ruled that Harry Potter is not sexist as he told them how important it was they got back into classrooms today.

    The maskless Prime Minister made the rambling remarks as he addressed a roomful of Year 7 pupils at a Leicestershire school as he pushed his plan to have all children back for the autumn term next week."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666243/Boris-Johnson-library-unimpressed-children-PM-tells-Harry-Potter-isnt-sexist.html

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    For those of you on tenterhooks (or with money riding on it), the direct link to tomorrow’s LibDem leadership announcement, expected 1130:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUdxBOwy7E
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IanB2 said:

    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Today’s new case figures, Portugal +362, Austria +327.

    As predicted, the government now look like idiots for exempting Portugal and adding Austria to the quarantine policy on the same day.

    Why would a single day's figures do that? Surely it is done based on averages, direction of travel, and per capita.
    If you want to analyse the figures and explain why travel to Austria is now quarantined but to Portugal is not, please go ahead....
    Austria is on an upward trend and Portugal is on a downward trend.

    That one was easy.
    Compare

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/

    With

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/austria/

    and then maybe have another try, not so glib this time?
    Yes, that is indeed the data source I used to come to my conclusion. Austria's case have exploded upwards., Portugal's have not.
  • Charles said:

    alex_ said:

    To be honest I think it is highly likely that he genuinely believes it. And that his Govt bears no responsibility for it whatsoever, no responsibility for asking the tough questions (after numerous warnings from within the profession and from parliamentary committees etc) that might have headed off the problems in advance.

    The guy’s just a massive bluffer who is too lazy to even attempt to understand issues beyond an extremely superficial level. And he probably thinks that the issue is now “fixed”. Never mind that more knowledgeable people within education and elsewhere (eg. NHS) can see that the consequences of the last few weeks are going to have an impact for years to come. As students fill courses that they aren’t suited for, as they delay the time when they get that wake up call that doing serious exams that matters, as the capacity issues filter into the next few years, as we spend years training medical students who will find they don’t have jobs to go to, or as opportunity is denied to the students of the future...


    Yeah, yeah, yeah . . .

    . . . if you're whinging about "students filling courses that they aren't suited for" then can you please identify how, without exams, you believe that those students should have been identified? What better solution do you have genius, without going back to March and keeping schools open and having the exams afterall?
    I suspect we will see higher than average drop out rates on the first year. Those individuals will have wasted money and time but we will survive as a country
    Unlikely, to be honest.

    The grades universities offer aren't really about "this is what you need to access the course" so much as "this limits the number of students to a manageable level, or what we're funded for". After all, most unis are happy to drop their requirements quite a bit during the clearing process.

    There will be problems for universities this year- how do you keep in touch with distanced learners, and how do you get students back up to speed after a six month break. They will be much bigger issues than some of the A Level grades being wrong.
  • This is the most hostile the Mail has been since the election. Downing Street will not be pleased about that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666243/Boris-Johnson-library-unimpressed-children-PM-tells-Harry-Potter-isnt-sexist.html

    Lol WTF is he on about
  • I mean I guess he can say whatever he wants but if I was a schoolchild I'd be like wtf is going on lol
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1298634153362104320?s=20

    Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.

    LOL , laugh of the day. The nutters in London spend all the cash and say it was Scotland. You could not make it up and yet morons post it here and on twitter etc as if it was real.
    Think I will apportion all my debts to the bank and make myself a millionaire.
    Why are you doing down Scotland's Government's Scottish Economists?

    Why are you running down Scotland?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    stodge said:

    I don't see how voting GOP in Baltimore or Conservative in East Ham would make a scintilla of difference - to make East Ham not East Ham and more like Sutton or Kingston would change it irrevocably and who would benefit from that?

    Property owners?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    malcolmg said:

    https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1298634153362104320?s=20

    Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.

    LOL , laugh of the day. The nutters in London spend all the cash and say it was Scotland. You could not make it up and yet morons post it here and on twitter etc as if it was real.
    Think I will apportion all my debts to the bank and make myself a millionaire.
    Why are you doing down Scotland's Government's Scottish Economists?

    Why are you running down Scotland?
    Every year the Westminster government has decreed that Scottish economists must serve up a pile of shite on a plate.

    It doesn't matter how good a job the economists do, it is still a pile of shite as mandated by Westminster.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    This is some of the most hostile coverage from the Mail since the election. Downing Street will not be pleased.

    "What is he on about?

    PM's back-to-school speech blaming 'mutant algorithm' for exam fiasco leaves class of 11-year-olds looking baffled he goes off-piste to insist 'Harry Potter isn't sexist' and 'it's politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia'

    Boris Johnson told bemused schoolchildren that it is politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia and ruled that Harry Potter is not sexist as he told them how important it was they got back into classrooms today.

    The maskless Prime Minister made the rambling remarks as he addressed a roomful of Year 7 pupils at a Leicestershire school as he pushed his plan to have all children back for the autumn term next week."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666243/Boris-Johnson-library-unimpressed-children-PM-tells-Harry-Potter-isnt-sexist.html

    He has lost the plot
  • Bit of a stretch, seems like a pretty standard school library to me.
  • I wonder if I should put some money on Sunak next PM
  • nichomar said:

    This is some of the most hostile coverage from the Mail since the election. Downing Street will not be pleased.

    "What is he on about?

    PM's back-to-school speech blaming 'mutant algorithm' for exam fiasco leaves class of 11-year-olds looking baffled he goes off-piste to insist 'Harry Potter isn't sexist' and 'it's politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia'

    Boris Johnson told bemused schoolchildren that it is politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia and ruled that Harry Potter is not sexist as he told them how important it was they got back into classrooms today.

    The maskless Prime Minister made the rambling remarks as he addressed a roomful of Year 7 pupils at a Leicestershire school as he pushed his plan to have all children back for the autumn term next week."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666243/Boris-Johnson-library-unimpressed-children-PM-tells-Harry-Potter-isnt-sexist.html

    He has lost the plot
    It's been said many before, and he's pushed on through and won...

    But... In that photo...

    Don't you think he looks tired?
    (Especially given that he's just had a holiday?)
  • I wonder if I should put some money on Sunak next PM

    Hopefully it won't be a bad bet, but its a bit less value now than if you'd followed my tip last year.
  • Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1298634153362104320?s=20

    Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.

    LOL , laugh of the day. The nutters in London spend all the cash and say it was Scotland. You could not make it up and yet morons post it here and on twitter etc as if it was real.
    Think I will apportion all my debts to the bank and make myself a millionaire.
    Why are you doing down Scotland's Government's Scottish Economists?

    Why are you running down Scotland?
    Every year the Westminster government has decreed that Scottish economists must serve up a pile of shite on a plate.

    It doesn't matter how good a job the economists do, it is still a pile of shite as mandated by Westminster.
    Why then were SNP politicians keen on GERS just a few years ago?

    What has changed since?
  • I fear for Johnson's health tbh, young baby, new wife and he's had Corona, he's also got a tough job
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Where does the money the SNP government spends go?

    Better outcomes, surely?

    This fiscal gap reflects the fact that government spending in or on behalf of Scotland (£14,829 per person) is around 12% higher than for the UK as a whole (£13,196). Figure 2 shows that this higher spending is driven by spending on services that are largely devolved to the Scottish Government. This is particular true for education, where spending per person is around 22% higher than for the UK, and other non-health services (such as culture, housing and transport) where it is 29% higher.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14982
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited August 2020
    Hogan also seemed to treat Ireland's rules with more contempt than Cummings did here. Wilfully breaking self isolation to go to a golf dinner is unforgivable, a slightly higher level than Cummings' actions in my view.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    nichomar said:

    This is some of the most hostile coverage from the Mail since the election. Downing Street will not be pleased.

    "What is he on about?

    PM's back-to-school speech blaming 'mutant algorithm' for exam fiasco leaves class of 11-year-olds looking baffled he goes off-piste to insist 'Harry Potter isn't sexist' and 'it's politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia'

    Boris Johnson told bemused schoolchildren that it is politically acceptable to sing Rule Britannia and ruled that Harry Potter is not sexist as he told them how important it was they got back into classrooms today.

    The maskless Prime Minister made the rambling remarks as he addressed a roomful of Year 7 pupils at a Leicestershire school as he pushed his plan to have all children back for the autumn term next week."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666243/Boris-Johnson-library-unimpressed-children-PM-tells-Harry-Potter-isnt-sexist.html

    He has lost the plot
    It's been said many before, and he's pushed on through and won...

    But... In that photo...

    Don't you think he looks tired?
    (Especially given that he's just had a holiday?)
    He does but to be honest I don’t think johnson was over impressed by his publicity stunt, sorry I mean holiday,
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Ministers are never accountable, senior civil servants (nowadays) often are.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2020
    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    https://twitter.com/TheIFS/status/1298634153362104320?s=20

    Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.

    LOL , laugh of the day. The nutters in London spend all the cash and say it was Scotland. You could not make it up and yet morons post it here and on twitter etc as if it was real.
    Think I will apportion all my debts to the bank and make myself a millionaire.
    Why are you doing down Scotland's Government's Scottish Economists?

    Why are you running down Scotland?
    Every year the Westminster government has decreed that Scottish economists must serve up a pile of shite on a plate.

    It doesn't matter how good a job the economists do, it is still a pile of shite as mandated by Westminster.
    It's Kite Marked "National Statistics" - independent of either the Edinburgh or Westminster governments.

    Why don't you want to engage with them?

    What are you afraid of?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    The German car makers will save...

    Oh, shit

    https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1298688724235104256
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543

    Bit of a stretch, seems like a pretty standard school library to me.
    Look at the books on the top shelf.
  • I think No Deal is now on the cards
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604

    Cannot access main site again

    Is it just me ?

    Me too, its been hit and miss for days.
    Robert has said that we're moving to new server and the site might be down during the next 12 hours.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    On the other hand, tweets like this make me want to top up on Biden even more:

    https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1298647760414167040?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I've done lots of eating out.

    I've also visited lots of restaurants

    Behave. It's not the lagershed yet.
  • I've done lots of eating out.

    I've also visited lots of restaurants

    Behave. It's not the lagershed yet.
    Sorry Mummy xxxx
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    I don't see how voting GOP in Baltimore or Conservative in East Ham would make a scintilla of difference - to make East Ham not East Ham and more like Sutton or Kingston would change it irrevocably and who would benefit from that?

    Property owners?
    I'm not convinced property ownership is the be-all and end-all of political development. Plenty of home owners aren't Conservatives and once again if you drive those who can afford only to rent out of areas where will they go?

    There seems a huge bias currently against renting and especially the private rental sector but home ownership isn't for everyone and I'd have thought a vibrant but suitably regulated rental sector was an integral part of a successful housing culture.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Charles said:

    You have to be truly despicable to want Trump to win. It has nothing to do with being “woke” or “left vs right”.

    Quite a few PB Trumptons on here: MrEd, LuckyGuy, Contrarian, AveIt, Sandpit – to name but five.

    It's bizarre because Contrarian and Sandpit seem otherwise perfectly sane.
    Your McCarthyite tendency to try and out Trump betters and backers and then hold them to account for it is particularly unpleasant.

    Stop it.
    I'm quite happy to be amongst the accused. I can't say I'm devastated that Anabobazina deems me less than perfectly sane either.

    People have utterly lost their shit over Trump. A Trump job is worse than non-Trump unemployment. A Trump peace is worse than a Hillary war. A Trump medicine is worse than having Covid-19. It's silly.
    To be fair a Trump medicine could be worse that having Covid-19.

    All medicines are a mix of risk and reward
    Well yes, it could be, but that wasn't the point I was making. :smile:

    It just seems to be a doctrine to curse the man and spit on the floor before we speak of him and his works. And afterwards. Or be called out as a PB Trumpton. I'm sorry, I don't do that. I'm very strong minded and quite capable of deciding for myself what I consider to be right and wrong.
  • Bit of a stretch, seems like a pretty standard school library to me.
    One title which could be taken as a dig ("The Twits", say) is a misfortune. Two looks like carelessness (on the part of the PM). An entire row... chapeau to that school librarian.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It could be argued that it's been the most likely outcome since June 2016. It certainly has since December 2019.

    Each side thinks that it is incumbent upon the other to budge towards its position, and each side also thinks it has more to lose by giving ground than it has to gain from an agreement.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    Each side thinks that it is incumbent upon the other to budge towards its position, and each side also thinks it has more to lose by giving ground than it has to gain from an agreement.

    One side is right.

    And BoZo is wrong. As always.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    Don't expect him to bother until September.

    Too late
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    I don't see how voting GOP in Baltimore or Conservative in East Ham would make a scintilla of difference - to make East Ham not East Ham and more like Sutton or Kingston would change it irrevocably and who would benefit from that?

    Property owners?
    I'm not convinced property ownership is the be-all and end-all of political development. Plenty of home owners aren't Conservatives and once again if you drive those who can afford only to rent out of areas where will they go?

    There seems a huge bias currently against renting and especially the private rental sector but home ownership isn't for everyone and I'd have thought a vibrant but suitably regulated rental sector was an integral part of a successful housing culture.
    Best to rent in life’s latter years either spend the released capital or pass it on to the kids with untraceable gifts. The odd £30k diamond ring would take some tracking down.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
  • I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
    I absolutely believe if we get a deal he will capitulate on everything and pretend he's not
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
    Only hasn't it got to go through about 76 assorted national and regional parliaments all over the EU as well?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Scott_xP said:
    "See Rafael Behr’s other Tweets". I think I'll pass on them, ta v much.
  • I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
    Only hasn't it got to go through about 76 assorted national and regional parliaments all over the EU as well?
    That as well. In a well-run world, the deal (or lack of one) would have been finalised, and millions of people and businesses in the UK, and the continuing EU would be working out what they need to do in January.

    Either way, it's as if the UK doesn't want this to work...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    I don't see how voting GOP in Baltimore or Conservative in East Ham would make a scintilla of difference - to make East Ham not East Ham and more like Sutton or Kingston would change it irrevocably and who would benefit from that?

    Property owners?
    Did you see my post the other day

    Laguna Beach has banned the term “homeless” as it encourages discrimination against them.

    So now we have “locals” (who live in houses) and “residents” (who do not)...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    There is a new thread.

    Just saying.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898



    I absolutely believe if we get a deal he will capitulate on everything and pretend he's not

    His friends and allies in the media will try to convince us it's a huge personal victory for the Prime Minister and "for the nation" and will claim the EU capitulated on everything and rely on no one reading the small print.

    It's called populist politics.

  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
    Only hasn't it got to go through about 76 assorted national and regional parliaments all over the EU as well?
    That as well. In a well-run world, the deal (or lack of one) would have been finalised, and millions of people and businesses in the UK, and the continuing EU would be working out what they need to do in January.

    Either way, it's as if the UK doesn't want this to work...
    It doesn't look to me as if anyone wants to make it work.

    About the best that can be said of the situation is that businesses will have had experience from the previous panic deadline of preparing for the no agreement scenario, so at least those plans are waiting to be taken off the shelves and dusted down this time.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    rcs1000 said:

    There is a new thread.

    Just saying.

    Do you recommend it?

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    It's win-win for Trump.

    If the violence continues, look how terrible the Democratic run cities are, they're all in flames.

    If it ends, look I solved the problem while the Democratic run cities did nothing.

    I really fear for America if we get four more years of this.
  • New Thread

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    nichomar said:

    stodge said:

    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    I don't see how voting GOP in Baltimore or Conservative in East Ham would make a scintilla of difference - to make East Ham not East Ham and more like Sutton or Kingston would change it irrevocably and who would benefit from that?

    Property owners?
    I'm not convinced property ownership is the be-all and end-all of political development. Plenty of home owners aren't Conservatives and once again if you drive those who can afford only to rent out of areas where will they go?

    There seems a huge bias currently against renting and especially the private rental sector but home ownership isn't for everyone and I'd have thought a vibrant but suitably regulated rental sector was an integral part of a successful housing culture.
    Best to rent in life’s latter years either spend the released capital or pass it on to the kids with untraceable gifts. The odd £30k diamond ring would take some tracking down.
    Don’t you believe in paying your fair share? I’m horrified you’d recommend tax dodging
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RH1992 said:

    Hogan also seemed to treat Ireland's rules with more contempt than Cummings did here. Wilfully breaking self isolation to go to a golf dinner is unforgivable, a slightly higher level than Cummings' actions in my view.

    Cummings didn't pose a threat to anyone else other than his immediate family
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I think No Deal is now on the cards

    It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.

    That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.

    Don't expect him to bother until September.
    If you were to remove "until September" from that final sentence then it might be closer to the truth.
    He will try and fly in at the last minute and do something, as he did last year.

    He's a bullshitter in chief, so I expect him to make concessions on state aid, the EU to compromise a bit on fish, and a deal done at the 11th hour.

    This could end up getting voted through the EU and UK parliament in the week before Christmas.
    Only hasn't it got to go through about 76 assorted national and regional parliaments all over the EU as well?
    This I'm not sure about. It depends if it's a basic deal or mixed.
  • Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    You have to be truly despicable to want Trump to win. It has nothing to do with being “woke” or “left vs right”.

    Grow up
    The guy openly fans the flames of race war and panders to white supremacists. He is a despicable human being and anyone who “supports” him is just as despicable.

    Wanting to piss off some “wokists” is no excuse.
    The “Race War” is coming from the Democrats and the woke left.

    Trump and the Republicans are quite happy to quote Martin Luther King, who famously said that people should be judged not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.

    Trigger Warning: Satire.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg
    A contender for the most braindead PB post of 2020.

    Is it the heat out there?
    As I warned: Satire.

    Too many people think that Twitter is representative, and because 95% of people on Twitter think Trump is Lucifer the election result is a foregone conclusion.

    I'm trying to read around the news in the US, looking at more impartial sources away from the MSM narrative and opinionating.

    One thing that's really clear is that there's ongoing riots and looting in many cities, and the national media are desperately trying to downplay the violence. The original BLM protests have been in many cases taken over by 'Antifa', a group of rich white anarchist lefties who want to abolish the police.

    The people living in and around these cities (and many others) are genuinely scared that the violence is coming their way, and see the local politicians at best being agnostic, and many are unofficially supporting the 'protests'.

    This is a betting site, and I'm trying to bring some balance to the debate. If the riots continue as we get closer to the election, it will help Republicans.
    Not buying that. That you are seeking to bring balance for betting purposes. It makes no sense. Trump's odds are short given the polls, it's clearly not Twitter driving the betting but the opposite, it's pro-Trump sentiment. So if anything it's balance the other way that is required. For example, to question the consensus verging on groupthink that suburbanites will turn to Big Daddy Trump because they are scared of rioting, rather than turn to a more conciliatory quieter figure, Biden, under whom the temperature of political life might cool.

    No, I think you are projecting your own views. Or rather I don't think that, I know you are.
    Antifa are a bunch of rich whites whereas Trump is happy to quote Martin Luther King? C'mon.
    I'll let you think what you think, that's obviously your prerogative.

    What I see is a bunch of Republicans who are arguing that people should be treated according to the content of their character, and a bunch of Democrats who think people should be treated according to the colour of their skin.

    It's well documented that the Antifa rioters are white, middle-class left-wingers.

    I'm genuinely agnostic as to the result, I think that both candidates will work constructively with the UK as president. Congress is also just as important when considering how a trade deal plays out.

    Both the polls and the betting markets are being driven by emotional sentiment much more than factual information, as opposed to trying to understand what's actually happening on the ground in the swing states.
    The polls are being driven by sentiment rather than facts? Not sure what that even means. The polls record voting intention and in any case the vote itself on Nov 3rd will be largely driven by sentiment, no?

    And I'm sorry but I just cannot detect the link that you do between Trump's Republicans and Martin Luther King.

    If you're benignly agnostic on the result I can only think that you have been oddly blind and deaf for 4 years and have not clocked how this guy has behaved in office and has been abusing the power and pulpit of the presidency.
    Just for the record, I personally think Trump is an idiot, and almost anyone else would be a better president of the USA.

    I'm genuinely trying to look at a variety of American opinion, and bring this to a betting site.

    There's clear evidence at the moment that 99% of Twitter thinks DT is a f****** c***, and 90% of PB thinks he's a f****** c***, but at least 40% of Americans intend voting for him.
    A significant proportion of those 40% probably also think he is a f****** c*** but also thinks he is "our f****** c***"
    S** of a b****!
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