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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:
    You could not make this up
    A way should have been found for exams to be held. It's not as if we don't have a lot of empty office space at the moment, for instance, if there was a problem with social distancing.

    Now the knock-on effects of this fiasco are going to go on for years, probably also with endless enquiries and law suits costing millions.
    Security of the papers might have been an issue if they had been held off school premises (you would be surprised at the hoops we have to jump through on that).

    But yes, they called off the exams too early.
    You think the teaching unions would have gone for it?
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,439
    Someone rebooted Jos Buttler.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    ydoethur said:

    England is now down to 480 Covid positive in hospital. Thats 108 down in a week, around 20%

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

    That accounts for 0.0000086% of the population
    That is much too dangerous for my GP to start functioning normally.
    I'm pleased to hear you have a GP capable of functioning normally.
    Not at present .... :(
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    Pagan2 said:

    Seriously try the superdrug website and see if you can get prescriptions there. First time they likely ask you to chat to one of their docs on line after that just order and pick up often same day

    I will give that a go. My own GP is equally useless and wants me to use the online system.

    "You will need to come in and verify yourself"

    Me: "Why? You are my doctor. You know who I am. You phoned me up"

    "We cannot issue the information without verification"

    Me: "Ok. When can I pop in?"

    "You can't unless it is an urgent medical matter. We are not handling appointments"

    Duh....
    My surgery is using AskmyGP. It is bloody brilliant. I have a history of skin cancer and a couple of weeks ago I saw something worrying on my shin. SO at 11pm I photographed the lesion, sent a photo along with background info to the AskmyGP site and at 8am got a call from the doctor arranging a visit for 10.30 that morning.

    Doctor was unsure and gave me a week's course of steroids. After a week no change so back onto AskmyGP with updated photo. Got an appointment with the practice dermatological specialist for that morning and was all sorted before lunch.

    The Doctor told me they get about 100 enquiries a day through the system and it allows them to quickly and efficiently prioritise appointments and arrange phone calls for those cases where an appointment is not necessary. You can use ot for repeat prescription stuff as well.

    Just bloody brilliant. A shame it took the epidemic to bring it about. I am sure it has the ability to transform GP appointments.
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    rpjs said:

    kle4 said:
    Given that Brenda's getting on in years, Crossrail might end up in the rather embarrasing position that she's no longer around to open the line named after her when they finally get it done.
    The Victoria Line opened nearly 70 years after the old queen died...
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    edited August 2020
    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
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    ClippP said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.
    hat a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    But those are not very good excuses, are they? Either a person can do the work, or not. That is what we need from a prime minister, not lame excuses.

    Not so long ago the Conservaive campaign was in full throttle complaining about "bed blockers". At the time, I thought they were referring to elderly politicians who were getting in the way of young aspiring politicians, those who are now in their 50s - the present Cabinet is full f them - who have in one case at least turned into a "bed blocker" himself. Time for Johnson to call it a day, I would have thought.
    What are you wittering on about?

    He did come back and do the work. He forego his paternity leave, he got on with the job. He deserves a holiday now and that's not laziness.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,125

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    edited August 2020

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:
    You could not make this up
    A way should have been found for exams to be held. It's not as if we don't have a lot of empty office space at the moment, for instance, if there was a problem with social distancing.

    Now the knock-on effects of this fiasco are going to go on for years, probably also with endless enquiries and law suits costing millions.
    Security of the papers might have been an issue if they had been held off school premises (you would be surprised at the hoops we have to jump through on that).

    But yes, they called off the exams too early.
    You think the teaching unions would have gone for it?
    Speaking as a union rep, you have a very strange idea as to the actual extent and effectiveness of the teaching unions' activities.*

    They would have no dog in the fight over how exams are held. Their members do not staff them, or in most cases run them (a handful of exam officers may be members of the NEU, but it would be a small minority).

    The bigger problem would have been the exam boards would have demanded additional staffing and security for any off-site sittings, which would have been very difficult to arrange under lockdown conditions.

    *The reason they are being blamed for schools not reopening fully is because the real explanation - that the government didn't have a clue what it was doing and issued confused, contradictory and frequently impossible instructions - was too politically embarrassing to admit.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351
    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    The mask wearing working well then!
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,335
    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
    More unfounded allegations that it was all a sham.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:
    You could not make this up
    A way should have been found for exams to be held. It's not as if we don't have a lot of empty office space at the moment, for instance, if there was a problem with social distancing.

    Now the knock-on effects of this fiasco are going to go on for years, probably also with endless enquiries and law suits costing millions.
    Security of the papers might have been an issue if they had been held off school premises (you would be surprised at the hoops we have to jump through on that).

    But yes, they called off the exams too early.
    You think the teaching unions would have gone for it?
    Speaking as a union rep, you have a very strange idea as to the actual extent and effectiveness of the teaching unions' activities.*

    They would have no dog in the fight over how exams are held. Their members do not staff them, or in most cases run them (a handful of exam officers may be members of the NEU, but it would be a small minority).

    The bigger problem would have been the exam boards would have demanded additional staffing and security for any off-site sittings, which would have been very difficult to arrange under lockdown conditions.

    *The reason they are being blamed for schools not reopening fully is because the real explanation - that the government didn't have a clue what it was doing and issued confused, contradictory and frequently impossible instructions - was too politically embarrassing to admit.
    I was talking about the teaching/coaching leading up to the exams, not the exams themselves
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
    Looks like your ignorance on this matter matches that on just about everything else!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,125
    edited August 2020
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
    More unfounded allegations that it was all a sham.
    He skipped out of hospital after a few days , if you are near death that is just impossible a mere few days later. Only cult members and numpties would believe the PR. He may have been ill but it was massively bigged up for PR.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,842

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    While the GP surgery is at fault, I would lay most of the shit on the hospital team. It is not the job of a practice nurse to inspect a wound only days old. Arguably you should have stayed an inpatient, but at the very least the wound should have been seen in a surgical dressing clinic.

    Removing some stitches after a mole has been removed is one thing, but an abdominal incision after complicated surgery needs careful care.

    If I were either your GP or your surgeon, I would be furious over whoever made such a post op arrangement.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:
    You could not make this up
    A way should have been found for exams to be held. It's not as if we don't have a lot of empty office space at the moment, for instance, if there was a problem with social distancing.

    Now the knock-on effects of this fiasco are going to go on for years, probably also with endless enquiries and law suits costing millions.
    Security of the papers might have been an issue if they had been held off school premises (you would be surprised at the hoops we have to jump through on that).

    But yes, they called off the exams too early.
    You think the teaching unions would have gone for it?
    Speaking as a union rep, you have a very strange idea as to the actual extent and effectiveness of the teaching unions' activities.*

    They would have no dog in the fight over how exams are held. Their members do not staff them, or in most cases run them (a handful of exam officers may be members of the NEU, but it would be a small minority).

    The bigger problem would have been the exam boards would have demanded additional staffing and security for any off-site sittings, which would have been very difficult to arrange under lockdown conditions.

    *The reason they are being blamed for schools not reopening fully is because the real explanation - that the government didn't have a clue what it was doing and issued confused, contradictory and frequently impossible instructions - was too politically embarrassing to admit.
    I was talking about the teaching/coaching leading up to the exams, not the exams themselves
    It would depend somewhat on how it was done. Online, or in person.

    In person, they might have raised difficulties due to the shielding of vulnerable staff.

    Online, as Fysics Teacher notes, there are issues with access and coverage.

    But again, I don't believe that they would have had much say over it in the end. What would they have done, go on strike? Under these circumstances, even the leadership of the old National Union of Teachers, who were not known as the NUTters for nothing, would have balked.

    What I do feel, very strongly, and said so at the time, is that it was at least worth trying to find a solution to let exams go ahead. The simple fact was that no effort was made at all. The announcement doesn't even appear to have been cleared with OFQUAL, although it's hard to imagine it would have made a difference. Certainly it wasn't discussed with schools or the exam boards. As late as 2.30 that day, my Principal was told exams were going ahead.

    And what happened as a result was both entirely predictable and apparently totally unforeseen.

    I am afraid that what it does show is that the people managing education, in the government, civil service and divers quangoes, are so thick, lazy and pig-ignorant that they should actually be banned from any sort of managerial position in any sector going forward.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208

    Pakistan are into the England tail now.

    This comment did not age well.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    tlg86 said:

    Pakistan are into the England tail now.

    This comment did not age well.
    This comment has aged beautifully as far as I'm concerned.

    I doubt if they will make it to the close though. Buttler just doesn't know how to leave and Crawley must be exhausted.
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    Say Labour absorbs the entire Lib Dem vote, does this make them more, or less likely to win an election
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    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
    More unfounded allegations that it was all a sham.
    He skipped out of hospital after a few days , if you are near death that is just impossible a mere few days later. Only cult members and numpties would believe the PR. He may have been ill but it was massively bigged up for PR.
    You of all people know how serious ill you can be and your accusations do not sit comfortably with the observations you have made of how ill you and your good lady have been
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    edited August 2020
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The man nearly died, had a newborn baby and returned to work all within the same month.

    What a terrible lazy individual to take a holiday later in the year after the lockdown had been lifted 🙄
    That old bollox, he was never near death, a couple of days in hospital and moved to ICU with round the clock nurses for some PR and photo opportunities.
    More unfounded allegations that it was all a sham.
    He skipped out of hospital after a few days , if you are near death that is just impossible a mere few days later. Only cult members and numpties would believe the PR. He may have been ill but it was massively bigged up for PR.
    Your consistent position on that whole situation has been to downplay his illness, without evidence but on the basis of assertion that it 'must' be a certain way and on the rather absurd assumption that dozens of people who have no reason to play into the PR of Boris Johnson, nevertheless did so for some reason. It's the very definition of a political, partisan response which is unnecessary and unfounded.

    It's clearly based on you disliking the man and working backwards from there to find elements to criticise. Bluntly, there's enough actual things to criticise Boris for without descending into conspiracy theorist nonsense based on, at worst, that it was really bad (he couldn't fake that), but not really really bad.

    Like nearly all conspiracy theories it falls down because too many people would need to be in on it for no reason.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453

    Say Labour absorbs the entire Lib Dem vote, does this make them more, or less likely to win an election

    If they absorb Layla Moran that would put me right off them.

    Whether that's a pointer either way, I'll leave up to you.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    It's got nothing to do with being an OE - except that I wonder what they teach there. It's actually rather associated with different social classes and age groups, let's put it politely.

    I suspect actually it was a combination of security exclusion of all locals including the farmer and someone having a bright idea as to where to put the tent, without thinking it through or that the fence meant something. Access to walk on such land, yes, is legal, but not camping sans permission under the access legislation.
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    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    That is not going to happen anyway no matter the ins and outs of the story
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,842
    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    Pitching that tent on such a slope? No way was it slept in. Any fool should know to pick a flat spot.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    It's got nothing to do with being an OE - except that I wonder what they teach there. It's actually rather associated with different social classes and age groups, let's put it politely.

    I suspect actually it was a combination of security exclusion of all locals including the farmer and someone having a bright idea as to where to put the tent, without thinking it through or that the fence meant something. Access to walk on such land, yes, is legal, but not camping sans permission under the access legislation.
    As I recall (although it's many years since I went walking rather than cycling in the Highlands) it's also not permitted to scale a fence.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    Pitching that tent on such a slope? No way was it slept in. Any fool should know to pick a flat spot.
    According to the Mail it was used as a sort of arbour in the evenings.

    More fool them if so. They must have been eaten alive by midges.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    And the Upper Crust ran it into the ground...
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    Foxy said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    While the GP surgery is at fault, I would lay most of the shit on the hospital team. It is not the job of a practice nurse to inspect a wound only days old. Arguably you should have stayed an inpatient, but at the very least the wound should have been seen in a surgical dressing clinic.

    Removing some stitches after a mole has been removed is one thing, but an abdominal incision after complicated surgery needs careful care.

    If I were either your GP or your surgeon, I would be furious over whoever made such a post op arrangement.
    They managed to leave my stitches in, and didn't arrange for anyone to take them out, neither outpatients nor GP. I assumed they were dissolving stitches or something, and it's only when I saw a physio, thankfully not too long after leaving hospital, that was told that someone was supposed to have removed them!

    When I did finally get an outpatient follow-up, they tried to prescribe me co-amoxiclav. It's a good job that I knew this to be related to penicillin and could point to the huge red sticker on the front of my file and ask if perhaps there was some mistake? Oh and let's not talk about the mixup between mg and ml that lead to them trying to double my morphine dose in hospital - that might have gone badly had I not noticed.

    We all have such stories. Too err is human, but it happens too much. For all that I appreciate the expertise of my doctors, I do not believe that the NHS is the envy of the world.

    --AS
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Frank Luntz nails it:

    “Trump, if he speaks to his base, is going to lose the center,” Luntz added. “If he speaks to the people who are really strong towards him, he loses that essential six or seven percent right in the middle, that doesn’t like Donald Trump personally, doesn’t like Joe Biden’s policies. So they have to choose between Trump, who they agree with in terms of issues but disagrees with his personality, or Joe Biden, who they like but don’t agree with what he wants to do.”
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    It's got nothing to do with being an OE - except that I wonder what they teach there. It's actually rather associated with different social classes and age groups, let's put it politely.

    I suspect actually it was a combination of security exclusion of all locals including the farmer and someone having a bright idea as to where to put the tent, without thinking it through or that the fence meant something. Access to walk on such land, yes, is legal, but not camping sans permission under the access legislation.
    As I recall (although it's many years since I went walking rather than cycling in the Highlands) it's also not permitted to scale a fence.
    I don't remember that - thougn in this case they used chairs from the cottage to climb over it.

    The Outdoor Access Code now requires users to use stiles and gates unless there is no reasonable access nearby.
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    felix said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    Argh, sorry to hear this. GPs round here seem equally hopeless, and repeat prescriptions are an absolute farce. (After this is over there may need to be a conversation about GP accountability.)

    I hope your recovery is as smooth as possible.

    --AS
    Here in Spain for repeat prescription you call for a tele appointment - they call at a set time and 6month repeat done automatically. You can also get face to face appointments as needed.
    My GP surgery will *only* issue repeat prescriptions through an online form. Never over the phone. (This predates Covid.) The form has a "notes" section where you can ask for a change of dose etc -- but they never read it. In all the years I have been using it, never once has anything I wrote in the "notes" section been acted on. They generally won't give you an appointment to discuss a change of dose: you have to pretend to be ill to speak with the doctor.

    They take forever to issue the prescription, and if it's urgent they tell you off for leaving it to the last few days. On the other hand if you try to re-order even one day early they ignore the request for being too early, and then don't tell you that they have ignored it. Nobody will speak to you about this and the receptionist, when you eventually get through, will say nothing except to use the online form and tell you off for wasting their time.

    I take multiple medications, some of which need doses adjusting according to my condition, and if I miss a day I suffer serious consequences. I have seriously considered trying to acquire my medications (some of which are controlled) through a dodgy online overseas seller as it seems it would be a more reliable way to take care of my needs.

    My GP himself is a charming and caring person. The same for my consultants. But the structure around them all is uncaring and harmful. During lockdown I did not clap for the NHS...

    --AS
    Bit at the bottom is spot on.

    My GP surgery is alright, but the key issue for me seems to be inept/uncaring receptionists who think they're an expert on medical matters because ill people phone them. For each GP surgery I've been registered at it's been the same.

    If I acted how the majority of the receptionists do in my job, I'd be out after a couple of weeks, but as soon as I get past the receptionist, the system moves pretty fast.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    edited August 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    Pitching that tent on such a slope? No way was it slept in. Any fool should know to pick a flat spot.
    According to the Mail it was used as a sort of arbour in the evenings.

    More fool them if so. They must have been eaten alive by midges.
    I did wonder if that's why they packed up and went. Anyone booking mid-August in the Highlands is really taking their family's life and happiness in jeopardy unless there are other options [edit] such as a nice cottage nearby, if the weather doesn't play ball - though a coastal breeze might be all one needs.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
    Indeed, but it does mean he doesn';t have a motivation to keep quiet about some pretty odd behaviour.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    It's got nothing to do with being an OE - except that I wonder what they teach there. It's actually rather associated with different social classes and age groups, let's put it politely.

    I suspect actually it was a combination of security exclusion of all locals including the farmer and someone having a bright idea as to where to put the tent, without thinking it through or that the fence meant something. Access to walk on such land, yes, is legal, but not camping sans permission under the access legislation.
    As I recall (although it's many years since I went walking rather than cycling in the Highlands) it's also not permitted to scale a fence.
    I don't remember that - thougn in this case they used chairs from the cottage to climb over it.

    The Outdoor Access Code now requires users to use stiles and gates unless there is no reasonable access nearby.
    I would class that as 'scaling.' And since there was a gate nearby, stupid.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Say Labour absorbs the entire Lib Dem vote, does this make them more, or less likely to win an election

    Err more ?!

    No chance of that though.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    edited August 2020

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
    Well, we all knew the first, but the second is a radical volte-face from 2014, when he was campaigning for Scotland to rem...

    Oh...not that Mr Cameron?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    It's got nothing to do with being an OE - except that I wonder what they teach there. It's actually rather associated with different social classes and age groups, let's put it politely.

    I suspect actually it was a combination of security exclusion of all locals including the farmer and someone having a bright idea as to where to put the tent, without thinking it through or that the fence meant something. Access to walk on such land, yes, is legal, but not camping sans permission under the access legislation.
    As I recall (although it's many years since I went walking rather than cycling in the Highlands) it's also not permitted to scale a fence.
    I don't remember that - thougn in this case they used chairs from the cottage to climb over it.

    The Outdoor Access Code now requires users to use stiles and gates unless there is no reasonable access nearby.
    I would class that as 'scaling.' And since there was a gate nearby, stupid.
    Ah - so there is. Especially getting mud and peat into the nice rental chairs.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
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    Foxy said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    While the GP surgery is at fault, I would lay most of the shit on the hospital team. It is not the job of a practice nurse to inspect a wound only days old. Arguably you should have stayed an inpatient, but at the very least the wound should have been seen in a surgical dressing clinic.

    Removing some stitches after a mole has been removed is one thing, but an abdominal incision after complicated surgery needs careful care.

    If I were either your GP or your surgeon, I would be furious over whoever made such a post op arrangement.
    They managed to leave my stitches in, and didn't arrange for anyone to take them out, neither outpatients nor GP. I assumed they were dissolving stitches or something, and it's only when I saw a physio, thankfully not too long after leaving hospital, that was told that someone was supposed to have removed them!

    When I did finally get an outpatient follow-up, they tried to prescribe me co-amoxiclav. It's a good job that I knew this to be related to penicillin and could point to the huge red sticker on the front of my file and ask if perhaps there was some mistake? Oh and let's not talk about the mixup between mg and ml that lead to them trying to double my morphine dose in hospital - that might have gone badly had I not noticed.

    We all have such stories. Too err is human, but it happens too much. For all that I appreciate the expertise of my doctors, I do not believe that the NHS is the envy of the world.

    --AS
    My best such story is from last year when I was taken to hospital with pneumonia. I was lying on a trolley in A&E waiting to go up to the bed they had organised for me when a doctor came in to check on me. I them told him that the drip in my arm had someone else’s name on it. The expression on his face was not reassuring.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,106
    Foxy said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    While the GP surgery is at fault, I would lay most of the shit on the hospital team. It is not the job of a practice nurse to inspect a wound only days old. Arguably you should have stayed an inpatient, but at the very least the wound should have been seen in a surgical dressing clinic.

    Removing some stitches after a mole has been removed is one thing, but an abdominal incision after complicated surgery needs careful care.

    If I were either your GP or your surgeon, I would be furious over whoever made such a post op arrangement.
    That’s always been the arrangement after my various surgeries though. My surgeon was fine with my discharge. I have to go back to my GP on Wednesday for the staples to be removed.
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    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
    Now that is pretty big news!
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    rpjs said:

    kle4 said:
    Given that Brenda's getting on in years, Crossrail might end up in the rather embarrasing position that she's no longer around to open the line named after her when they finally get it done.
    OK, but the Victoria line first opened in 1968.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    The mask wearing working well then!
    God you are just thick aren't you. Virtually all cases occur in situations where masks are NOT worn - such as family reunions or in clubs/discos where the rules were not being enforced.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,299

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
    At 55-45 for Yes, I'd imagine BJ would want to be changing the minds of such deplorables? Though calling these supporters SNP bigots & separatists seems to be the preferred strategy of the SCons, so maybe they're all a wee bit confused.

    https://twitter.com/Rachael2Win/status/1296743777718108160?s=20
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    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,620
    Zero COVID has been tried - but doesn't happen.

    Even in New Zealand etc, the disease spreads asymptotically and then breaks out again.

    All that can be done is *try* reduce the instance, lower and lower. Which is what New Zealand did - to the point that they very, very rarely see cases.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,106
    “GB News” sounds like a YouTube channel.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
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    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,842

    Foxy said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    While the GP surgery is at fault, I would lay most of the shit on the hospital team. It is not the job of a practice nurse to inspect a wound only days old. Arguably you should have stayed an inpatient, but at the very least the wound should have been seen in a surgical dressing clinic.

    Removing some stitches after a mole has been removed is one thing, but an abdominal incision after complicated surgery needs careful care.

    If I were either your GP or your surgeon, I would be furious over whoever made such a post op arrangement.
    They managed to leave my stitches in, and didn't arrange for anyone to take them out, neither outpatients nor GP. I assumed they were dissolving stitches or something, and it's only when I saw a physio, thankfully not too long after leaving hospital, that was told that someone was supposed to have removed them!

    When I did finally get an outpatient follow-up, they tried to prescribe me co-amoxiclav. It's a good job that I knew this to be related to penicillin and could point to the huge red sticker on the front of my file and ask if perhaps there was some mistake? Oh and let's not talk about the mixup between mg and ml that lead to them trying to double my morphine dose in hospital - that might have gone badly had I not noticed.

    We all have such stories. Too err is human, but it happens too much. For all that I appreciate the expertise of my doctors, I do not believe that the NHS is the envy of the world.

    --AS
    The standard of post op surgical nursing and follow up is very poor, but GPS are not dumping grounds for post op surgical patients, often with no forwarded notes.

    When Fox jr had appendicitis at Uni, the hospital whipped out his appendix admirably quickly, but afterwards the ward care was poor, with no obs taken, despite the risk of pelvic abscess etc. We took him home to look after him there.

    It is all part of the culture of rapid discharge, and bed shortages, the same problem as coronavirus cases being discharged to nursing homes. The push is to discharge rapidly rather than with a coherent plan, and it is simply bad medical and nursing care.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
    1. More mask wearing generally.
    2. Restrictions on all kinds of night tike entertainments.
    3. Restrictions on family reunions.
    4. Very strict on care and old folks homes
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
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    Frankly if we want to No Deal and screw the economy, let's get it over with. I never supported this shower.
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    But No Deal will be our choice, not the EU's and it won't be the EU's fault
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Zero COVID has been tried - but doesn't happen.

    Even in New Zealand etc, the disease spreads asymptotically and then breaks out again.

    All that can be done is *try* reduce the instance, lower and lower. Which is what New Zealand did - to the point that they very, very rarely see cases.
    Layla showing her grasp of real life once again! :lol:

    If she wins the LD leadership it will make the SuperJo era seem a golden era!!!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    More likely, he thought he wouldn't be caught.

    Which might also be a metaphor for his career.
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    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453

    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    I have to say, I would be willing to pay good money to see Neil beating up Farage every day, if that is what is supposed to happen. That would be funnier than watching those pandas.

    But I have a feeling that's not quite what's intended.
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    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,299
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    Massive vibe of 'can we go home yet?' and 'will this be enough for the Jocks?'.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,842
    felix said:

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
    1. More mask wearing generally.
    2. Restrictions on all kinds of night tike entertainments.
    3. Restrictions on family reunions.
    4. Very strict on care and old folks homes
    Yes, I would recommend that simple structure and add:

    5. Foreign travel only in exceptional circumstances and at own risk.
    6. Attention to ventilation, everything possible to be done outdoors
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960
    edited August 2020

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    Massive vibe of 'can we go home yet?' and 'will this be enough for the Jocks?'.
    How long was he there for? Wasn't it supposed to be two weeks? I'm a Lowlander - you are even more of a native - and even I would be wary of two whole August weeks in somewhere the wrong side of the Bealach na Ba without alternative things to do depending on the family in question [edit]. I'd definitely pick somewhere windy for a start like Tiree or the Long Isle.
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    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
    What qualifications does anyone need to be in the media
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    Ave_it said:

    Zero COVID has been tried - but doesn't happen.

    Even in New Zealand etc, the disease spreads asymptotically and then breaks out again.

    All that can be done is *try* reduce the instance, lower and lower. Which is what New Zealand did - to the point that they very, very rarely see cases.
    Layla showing her grasp of real life once again! :lol:

    If she wins the LD leadership it will make the SuperJo era seem a golden era!!!
    It’s all just cheap politics I’m afraid. She’s not very smart in the ways of the world but politically she’s pandering to the ‘piss diamond’ cranks from Twitter. It’s not a bad strategy.
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    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    Massive vibe of 'can we go home yet?' and 'will this be enough for the Jocks?'.
    How long was he there for? Wasn't it supposed to be two weeks? I'm a Lowlander - you are even more of a native - and even I would be wary of two whole August weeks in somewhere the wrong side of the Bealach na Ba without alternative things to do depending on the family in question [edit]. I'd definitely pick somewhere windy for a start like Tiree or the Long Isle.
    He went away last weekend, so end of first week tomorrrow
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    RH1992 said:

    felix said:

    Arrived at my GP surgery to have a nurse look at my surgery wound. My god they are useless.

    No instructions sent prior. It appears that you are supposed to wait outside in a line until a nurse comes out to get you. This is despite me keeling over with a meaty stomach wound. This information blew their mind.

    I’m now sitting in the porch whilst person after person comes to the door having no idea whats going on, whilst I listen to 4 reception staff having a rather ignorant convo about lesbians.

    Absolute disgrace from top to bottom.

    Argh, sorry to hear this. GPs round here seem equally hopeless, and repeat prescriptions are an absolute farce. (After this is over there may need to be a conversation about GP accountability.)

    I hope your recovery is as smooth as possible.

    --AS
    Here in Spain for repeat prescription you call for a tele appointment - they call at a set time and 6month repeat done automatically. You can also get face to face appointments as needed.
    My GP surgery will *only* issue repeat prescriptions through an online form. Never over the phone. (This predates Covid.) The form has a "notes" section where you can ask for a change of dose etc -- but they never read it. In all the years I have been using it, never once has anything I wrote in the "notes" section been acted on. They generally won't give you an appointment to discuss a change of dose: you have to pretend to be ill to speak with the doctor.

    They take forever to issue the prescription, and if it's urgent they tell you off for leaving it to the last few days. On the other hand if you try to re-order even one day early they ignore the request for being too early, and then don't tell you that they have ignored it. Nobody will speak to you about this and the receptionist, when you eventually get through, will say nothing except to use the online form and tell you off for wasting their time.

    I take multiple medications, some of which need doses adjusting according to my condition, and if I miss a day I suffer serious consequences. I have seriously considered trying to acquire my medications (some of which are controlled) through a dodgy online overseas seller as it seems it would be a more reliable way to take care of my needs.

    My GP himself is a charming and caring person. The same for my consultants. But the structure around them all is uncaring and harmful. During lockdown I did not clap for the NHS...

    --AS
    Bit at the bottom is spot on.

    My GP surgery is alright, but the key issue for me seems to be inept/uncaring receptionists who think they're an expert on medical matters because ill people phone them. For each GP surgery I've been registered at it's been the same.

    If I acted how the majority of the receptionists do in my job, I'd be out after a couple of weeks, but as soon as I get past the receptionist, the system moves pretty fast.
    Interesting - mine has been fine.

    They just switched off the prescription phone line, which I have rarely used - though until this year I used to order mainly by letter or repeat slip dropped in to the box at the surgery.

    Available for collection from the Pharmacy next door the day after tomorrow, and can be delivered if I phone up and request it.

    The whole place is very very good.

    The average pay of the GPs there is £97,973. 4 full time. 2 part time. Not indication whether it is pro-rata or not for the part timers.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,335
    Foxy said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
    1. More mask wearing generally.
    2. Restrictions on all kinds of night tike entertainments.
    3. Restrictions on family reunions.
    4. Very strict on care and old folks homes
    Yes, I would recommend that simple structure and add:

    5. Foreign travel only in exceptional circumstances and at own risk.
    6. Attention to ventilation, everything possible to be done outdoors
    So reversing some of the opening up we’ve done? Will be a hard sell to some I think, even if needed.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    It is amazing - and slightly disturbing - to think that in the last four years, only Stokes, Root and Cook have passed 150 in an innings for England until Crawley did today. And they haven't done it often. One from Stokes, three from Root and two from Cook.

    The previous ones other than those were Bairstow and Ali, both in early summer 2016.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791

    Zero COVID has been tried - but doesn't happen.

    Even in New Zealand etc, the disease spreads asymptotically and then breaks out again.

    All that can be done is *try* reduce the instance, lower and lower. Which is what New Zealand did - to the point that they very, very rarely see cases.
    Guernsey - no COVID cases for 110 days is NOT trying for "Zero Covid" - the Chief Medical Officer dismissed it as epidemiologically illiterate. We'll be dealing with COVID for decades.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Foxy said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
    1. More mask wearing generally.
    2. Restrictions on all kinds of night tike entertainments.
    3. Restrictions on family reunions.
    4. Very strict on care and old folks homes
    Yes, I would recommend that simple structure and add:

    5. Foreign travel only in exceptional circumstances and at own risk.
    6. Attention to ventilation, everything possible to be done outdoors
    So, basically, April, only with masks everywhere. Joy.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,299
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    Massive vibe of 'can we go home yet?' and 'will this be enough for the Jocks?'.
    How long was he there for? Wasn't it supposed to be two weeks? I'm a Lowlander - you are even more of a native - and even I would be wary of two whole August weeks in somewhere the wrong side of the Bealach na Ba without alternative things to do depending on the family in question [edit]. I'd definitely pick somewhere windy for a start like Tiree or the Long Isle.
    You definitely need a strong motive to do it (with my pals it's being obsessive trout fishermen). I don't see BJ and Carrie checking out the best trout lochs of the area.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    For @Gallowgate.

    Sorry to hear of your GP problems.

    Two thoughts. The first is I take a shooting stick for queues if they may be long.

    Second is that you may well have the option to have your dressings done at a walk-in Minor Injuries Unit. I did that for a nasty burn last December when the GP was slightly struggling with appointments at a busy time around Christmas when staff were away.

    The key is to find a not-busy one and go at a quiet time. There are three within 20 minutes drive of me, with very different catchment populations. The one with a population of 125k is in the District Hospital site and you wait for a fair time. The one in the small isolated town is much better.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,960

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Victim, much? As any fule no, The Scots ran the British Empire

    I'm not talking about the past, or the "British" empire, but the one now run from Whitehall.

    The one where elected politicians in Edinburgh have powers over education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation and social security?
    I'm talking about what I genuinely find a surprising failure to be on best behaviour, and visibly so, at a very sensitive time for the Union.

    To be reported by the Mail as if a litter lout leaving clutter at Loch Lomond - though not on that level of severity - is not scoring 100%.
    As a friend of mine said when stealing food off my plate:

    'You can take the boy out of Walsall, but not Walsall out of the boy.'

    Not that Johnson is from Walsall, of course, but the general thrust holds good.
    It's almost as if he couldn't be bothered.
    Massive vibe of 'can we go home yet?' and 'will this be enough for the Jocks?'.
    How long was he there for? Wasn't it supposed to be two weeks? I'm a Lowlander - you are even more of a native - and even I would be wary of two whole August weeks in somewhere the wrong side of the Bealach na Ba without alternative things to do depending on the family in question [edit]. I'd definitely pick somewhere windy for a start like Tiree or the Long Isle.
    You definitely need a strong motive to do it (with my pals it's being obsessive trout fishermen). I don't see BJ and Carrie checking out the best trout lochs of the area.
    Either that, geology, birdwatching, flooers, and/or a lot of Trollope or Scott novels.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    I wonder if he managed to keep a straight face:

    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1296786699851370497?s=20
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Foxy said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1296797664865071105

    The idea we have avoided a second wave is for the birds

    Look at hospital numbers not postive cases
    Indeed.

    Seven in ten cases are asymptomatic; possibly the healthy rate is higher in this 'second wave'.

    If people are infected but largely healthy, is the second wave a wave at all?
    In Spain it was like that at first but now it is spreading beyond the young and fit, there are more in hospitals and at least 4/5 care homes have been affected. Don't say you weren't warned.
    What should we do now to prevent the same thing happening here? I don’t believe in British exceptionalism, but I also think we have currently got some differences in how open we are to Spain.
    1. More mask wearing generally.
    2. Restrictions on all kinds of night tike entertainments.
    3. Restrictions on family reunions.
    4. Very strict on care and old folks homes
    Yes, I would recommend that simple structure and add:

    5. Foreign travel only in exceptional circumstances and at own risk.
    6. Attention to ventilation, everything possible to be done outdoors
    Agreed - the decision by Spain to try to salvage a summer tourist season was a big mistake - and will possibly have the effect of wrecking a successful back to school in September. All very sad. However, the UK can and should learn some lessons from it.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,445

    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
    What qualifications does anyone need to be in the media
    Well. He we go. Fox News UK. A daily rant and diatribe of populist nonsense, lies and god knows what else. No doubt broadcasting live from Kent's beaches throughout the summer months.

    Just great.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    ydoethur said:

    It is amazing - and slightly disturbing - to think that in the last four years, only Stokes, Root and Cook have passed 150 in an innings for England until Crawley did today. And they haven't done it often. One from Stokes, three from Root and two from Cook.

    The previous ones other than those were Bairstow and Ali, both in early summer 2016.

    Crawley is an Old Tonbridgian like me, well done him
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,106
    MattW said:

    For @Gallowgate.

    Sorry to hear of your GP problems.

    Two thoughts. The first is I take a shooting stick for queues if they may be long.

    Second is that you may well have the option to have your dressings done at a walk-in Minor Injuries Unit. I did that for a nasty burn last December when the GP was slightly struggling with appointments at a busy time around Christmas when staff were away.

    The key is to find a not-busy one and go at a quiet time. There are three within 20 minutes drive of me, with very different catchment populations. The one with a population of 125k is in the District Hospital site and you wait for a fair time. The one in the small isolated town is much better.

    I did not arrange it with my GP. The ward did at the hospital. I was simply given a time and a place.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    MattW said:

    For @Gallowgate.

    Sorry to hear of your GP problems.

    Two thoughts. The first is I take a shooting stick for queues if they may be long.

    That seems rather drastic. Surely there are better ways of dealing with queues than shooting them?
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    Anyone breaking quarantine after their Dalmatian holiday is likely to be spotted.

    Don't you mean Dubrov-Nicked!
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
    What qualifications does anyone need to be in the media
    Well. He we go. Fox News UK. A daily rant and diatribe of populist nonsense, lies and god knows what else. No doubt broadcasting live from Kent's beaches throughout the summer months.

    Just great.
    If it's as Kelvin MacKenzie describes, it'll be swamped with fines from Ofcom within weeks. Farage will not be able to be impartial as required for the majority of TV News.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    He hides, set fire to things, leaves a mess and runs away.

    This works as a metaphor.
    The story as printed portrays crass behaviour which is tactless in rural Scotland at present where covid camping by idiots who have never heard of the Countryside Code and its more modern versions in Scotland is a big concern. Sure, the Mail may be stirring things up, but whether they realise that I don't know. It's not a great way to make Mr Johnson loved by the inhabitants of this particular province of the Empire.
    Will such behaviour endear Etonians to the local Scots? I think we should be told....
    Mr Cameron admitted that he was not a fan of Mr Johnson's politics and was a supporter of Scottish independence.
    At 55-45 for Yes, I'd imagine BJ would want to be changing the minds of such deplorables? Though calling these supporters SNP bigots & separatists seems to be the preferred strategy of the SCons, so maybe they're all a wee bit confused.

    https://twitter.com/Rachael2Win/status/1296743777718108160?s=20
    Mr Cameron voted Yes even in 2014 and he said it was nice to have the PM in the area in the full quote.

    Given it is only 51% Yes including Don't Knows and 7% Don't Knows it is actually mainly don't knows that need to be converted, only 2% of current Yes voters need to be switched to No
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453

    Anyone breaking quarantine after their Dalmatian holiday is likely to be spotted.

    Don't you mean Dubrov-Nicked!
    That's terrible. You will never be the Knin of puns if you can't improve.
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    RH1992 said:

    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
    What qualifications does anyone need to be in the media
    Well. He we go. Fox News UK. A daily rant and diatribe of populist nonsense, lies and god knows what else. No doubt broadcasting live from Kent's beaches throughout the summer months.

    Just great.
    If it's as Kelvin MacKenzie describes, it'll be swamped with fines from Ofcom within weeks. Farage will not be able to be impartial as required for the majority of TV News.
    It has not stopped the BBC
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    If that is a reference to Kay Burley I agree 100%.
    Farage
    If true Neil and Farage on a mainstream news channel will put the cat amongst the pigeons
    What qualifications in hosting does Farage have? Why is he relevant?
    What qualifications does anyone need to be in the media
    Well. He we go. Fox News UK. A daily rant and diatribe of populist nonsense, lies and god knows what else. No doubt broadcasting live from Kent's beaches throughout the summer months.

    Just great.
    And why ?

    Because the current media cant find balance. The mould is now broken.
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    guybrushguybrush Posts: 237
    Pagan2 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Boris is on paternity leave, you know the thing the left insist on but never mind he does not count

    I want Boris moved on but at the same time the hypocrisy of the left shines through without fail
    Should the PM take paternity leave?
    The left will say everyone should unless it is a conservative PM
    We 'the left' are not an amorphous blob, but to me there are some roles and situations where taking leave is not acceptable. A prime minister should consider country above family.
    Belgium functioned fine for a couple of years with no government at all. I hardly think a couple of weeks without a prime minister in no 10 is going to kill us. I am sure also that in the event of something occurring where a pm was absolutely necessary like switzerland declaring war on us that he would be whisked back quickly.

    Frankly the more time all our mp's including ministers take off the less damage they can do.
    Normally I would agree, but in the middle of a global pandemic!?! Are you sure ?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Very strange - allegedl;y camping and lighting fires (in dry weather) without permission and leaving a mess behind.
    Pitching that tent on such a slope? No way was it slept in. Any fool should know to pick a flat spot.
    According to the Mail it was used as a sort of arbour in the evenings.

    More fool them if so. They must have been eaten alive by midges.
    I did wonder if that's why they packed up and went. Anyone booking mid-August in the Highlands is really taking their family's life and happiness in jeopardy unless there are other options [edit] such as a nice cottage nearby, if the weather doesn't play ball - though a coastal breeze might be all one needs.
    If there were no animals in the field, it is probably access land anyway so they were probably allowed to do it - including wild camping.

    The only issue is probably climbing over the fence which they didn't damage.

    Kittens in a manufactured fluff about not very much.
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