So how will the A-Level stuff go over do we think?
Terrible and politicians will unfortunately be making decisions based on saving their skin not on exam integrity.
There cannot be "exam integrity." As there weren't any exams. What there hasn't been is any assessment integrity. Or any attempt at it except by a magical algorithm with no oversight or openness.
NYT - Woody Johnson Asked State Dept. Auditors to Delete Claims of Offensive Remarks From Report
The American ambassador to Britain rejected accusations that he made racially or sexually inappropriate comments toward employees at the U.S. Embassy in London.
Here is the actual report, which covers more than the crap conduct of this crap ambassador of a crap president to the Court of St James.
It covers much more than the turdish envoy; for example, Scots of all persuasions (political, ideological, sexual) will be shocked by shocking state of US consulate in Edinburgh.
Finally been able to log back on after days of failed attempts (was probably user error, this insane heat has addled my brain).
A few things I need to get off my chest:
1. It’s fine to spend £500 on a coffee machine if you are really into coffee. The PB Paleoconservatives and their hair shirts piss me off.
2. This weather is not normal, even for London. It’s the first time on record the weather has exceeded 34c for five days’ running. It’s much hotter here than in Somerset, Hampshire or some other outpost. 35c and 31c is a big difference.
3. Offices won’t go to a four times a month model as @Sandpit suggested. People need to see each other. @Casino_Royale is much closer to the mark. 2:3. About five days per fortnight in the office and the rest at home/flexible.
4. No strong views on the status of the word gammon.
The BBC seems to have no idea which direction the train was travelling in. ITV got it right.
Is it too much to find a single transport journalist in the whole of the BBC with railway experience? They don’t have any with aviation experience either, except for reviewing Club lounges.
There's even a self-isolation hotline he could have called.
You can tell Remainers even when they are talking about something entirely different (like this). Their comments/tweets always have this petulant, whiney, narcissistic, personally entitled and recently affronted quality.
They probably sound like this when they are discussing breakfast. Ghastly wankers.
It occurs to me these Remainers are the modern equivalent of "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". Whatever subject has alerted them, their mental response is comically predictable in tone and attitude.
I can tell Leavers simply on sight much of the time. They tend to be overweight and rather primitive looking. I reckon I can get 70% just on that basis. Then if I have a quick chat - listen carefully for a certain lack of intellect and/or this very particular softhead sentimentality a la Tony Parsons - that 70% goes to 90%. So pretty good, but it still means that 1 in 10 slip through the net.
LadyG didn't mention anything to do with immutable characteristics like looks. You did.
Yes, another characteristic of Remainers is their easy, unselfaware recourse to pejorative visual stereotyping mixed with quasi-racist sneering (at white people)
"Oh look at those fat white people God they must be Leave-voters"
We can thus conclude that Kinabalu parks his Prius at Remoaner Central
Battered old merc actually.
And I'm not stereotyping. There really is this primitive, slack-mouthed look that many Leavers have. And they are (on the whole) lacking in intelligence and education. And they are very often racist and xenophobic and pig ignorant. And they are prone to this certain type of sloppy sentimentality. With your talent you could describe it much better than me. But it's Tony Parsons. He's the epitome of this particular attribute.
So I'm being completely serious. Put 200 people in a room, 100 of which are ardent Leavers. Give me a quick look at each of them and a 2 minute chat about something very banal and unpolitical - e.g. the weather - and I would get 90 of them.
I'd back myself to do that. Do you not believe me? Do you think I am utterly deluded? Or do you think I'm simply being borderline offensive and unfairly denigrating millions of my fellow citizens?
Well by that reckoning you would also be able to spot remainers (ie being having none of the characteristics you put to leavers). I am not sure it is rocket science given we know age demographics influenced the vote . Most people can tell old people from young people for instance.
However the really stupid thing is that if you really believe that leavers are thick and bigoted to that extent then you need to look at yourself an ask if they are that thick how come they won ,how come they outwitted you to win that vote?
i agree it would make a good TV show although I think it would show up yourself rather more than any leavers in it
lol - yes I can see this one on CH4. Compere Cathy Newman. Total sneerfest.
And that's a good point about age and about R = 200 - L.
But look, here's what is closer to what I really think about the EU Ref -
There are no Remainers or Leavers. All of us have some Remain in us and some Leave. The vote of each person was decided by the result of that internal battle. And the overall outcome was the result of the same battle at aggregate level - between 2 sides of our national character. For me, it was our less good side - our grubbier angels if you will - that won out. And easily btw. The true mood of the country was far more Leave than 52/48 implies. Many people voted Remain even though their Leave side was bigger - due to risk aversion.
FWIW, I estimate I've got about 30% Leave in me. But I continue to fight it and am hoping to have down in single digits one day.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Yes, the constant use is like teens of the 60s and 70s who have discovered they can say Paki and get a social and personal buzz without looking actually racist.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
But why do you have to mention the colour?
What's the context of the photo? It's hilarious lol
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
But why do you have to mention the colour?
What's the context of the photo? It's hilarious lol
Getting angry at questioning whether he would still be leader in 2020. Technically I suppose he was even if he had already announced he was standing down.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
You're looking silly here to be honest mate.
You can demonstrate that by answering my question.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
No. What makes it differently wrong is the reference to skin colour. An immutable characteristic
Your inability to see this is a measure of your blinkered, middlebrow, leftwing self regard. Quite odious.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
There seems to be a burgeoning scandal on these PHE virus death figures. Some quite extraordinary stats appearing that I’m trying to verify.
Bless the Guardian reporting the reworked figures, but still pointing out that, of course, they just increase the size of the underestimate.
What’s really shocking is the reporting that is saying that the numbers are being reduced by “about 10%” when of course the reality is that the numbers, over the past month, are being reduced by 90%+.
It just shows that for all this talk of a “resurgence” in Europe and elsewhere, which it is true possibly might be in its early stages, with the massive increase in testing including massive asymptomatic testing in the community, the case numbers are going to have to increase by at least a factor of 10, probably more like a factor of 100+ before we reach the sort of desperate hospital conditions that we had in early April.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
You're looking silly here to be honest mate.
You can demonstrate that by answering my question.
Yes.
Any word that doesn't refer to the race of the person being described is better.
Why do you have to mention the colour? Is there a significant difference between a white past his prime racist angry man (like the man pictured before) and a non-white past his prime racist angry man?
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
But why do you have to mention the colour?
What's the context of the photo? It's hilarious lol
Getting angry at questioning whether he would still be leader in 2020. Technically I suppose he was even if he had already announced he was standing down.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
You're looking silly here to be honest mate.
You can demonstrate that by answering my question.
Yes.
Any word that doesn't refer to the race of the person being described is better.
Why do you have to mention the colour? Is there a significant difference between a white past his prime racist angry man (like the man pictured before) and a non-white past his prime racist angry man?
Blood boiling doesn’t tend to show through so well in the latter.
The BBC seems to have no idea which direction the train was travelling in. ITV got it right.
Is it too much to find a single transport journalist in the whole of the BBC with railway experience? They don’t have any with aviation experience either, except for reviewing Club lounges.
Indeed. A pilot of a light aircraft can pull off a perfectly decent forced landing and the news report will still say that the plan “plummeted toward the ground” and “crashed in a field”. Normally accompanied by comment from some clueless onlooker.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
No. What makes it differently wrong is the reference to skin colour. An immutable characteristic
Your inability to see this is a measure of your blinkered, middlebrow, leftwing self regard. Quite odious.
Goodnight.
Just requires a slight adjustment of camera white balance. Gammon is just too much magenta, combined with the subject’s overly red complexion (something else not entirely immutable).
Your post PT about your colleague being bullied for being a Leaver -
Dreadful. No excuse for that at all. If there was loads of that going on in workplaces up and down the country then, yes, I can imagine it boosted the Leave vote.
But as I say, imo the true core mood of the country was far more Leave than 52/48 implies. It was a mood landslide. Still is.
There seems to be a burgeoning scandal on these PHE virus death figures. Some quite extraordinary stats appearing that I’m trying to verify.
Bless the Guardian reporting the reworked figures, but still pointing out that, of course, they just increase the size of the underestimate.
What’s really shocking is the reporting that is saying that the numbers are being reduced by “about 10%” when of course the reality is that the numbers, over the past month, are being reduced by 90%+.
It just shows that for all this talk of a “resurgence” in Europe and elsewhere, which it is true possibly might be in its early stages, with the massive increase in testing including massive asymptomatic testing in the community, the case numbers are going to have to increase by at least a factor of 10, probably more like a factor of 100+ before we reach the sort of desperate hospital conditions that we had in early April.
Yes, in recent times the figures have been skewed wildly by this cock up. There was a day or zero deaths in England in late July. Unreported.
There seems to be a burgeoning scandal on these PHE virus death figures. Some quite extraordinary stats appearing that I’m trying to verify.
Bless the Guardian reporting the reworked figures, but still pointing out that, of course, they just increase the size of the underestimate.
What’s really shocking is the reporting that is saying that the numbers are being reduced by “about 10%” when of course the reality is that the numbers, over the past month, are being reduced by 90%+.
It just shows that for all this talk of a “resurgence” in Europe and elsewhere, which it is true possibly might be in its early stages, with the massive increase in testing including massive asymptomatic testing in the community, the case numbers are going to have to increase by at least a factor of 10, probably more like a factor of 100+ before we reach the sort of desperate hospital conditions that we had in early April.
Yes, in recent times the figures have been skewed wildly by this cock up. There was a day or zero deaths in England in late July. Unreported.
Well, at least it'll stop the crowing about how crap England is relative to its peers.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same.
I’ve explained in detail why it isn’t the same - your response is “no, it is”.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
You're looking silly here to be honest mate.
You can demonstrate that by answering my question.
Yes.
Any word that doesn't refer to the race of the person being described is better.
Why do you have to mention the colour? Is there a significant difference between a white past his prime racist angry man (like the man pictured before) and a non-white past his prime racist angry man?
The precise thing we are seeking to describe is this particular type of thick white bloke who's rather racist and not in the first flush and always getting angry about stuff.
Gammon is a snide and jokey reference to what can happen to skin tone when the blood boils.
We all know the sort of bloke. And now we have a word that nails it. It does the job brilliantly and is not racist in any meaningful sense of that word. It's simply derogatory.
I do not bandy it about - in fact today is the first time in ages - but there is no way I'm dropping it just because people who are forever downplaying real racism with accusations of "playing the race card" now play the race card to ludicrously try to claim that a word to describe a angry white racist bloke is racist.
No. Gammon lives.
It's a lexical weapon in the culture war. When they go low, we go high most of the time but sometimes we go low too - but with considerably more wit and intelligence.
US Primaries August 11 - Connecticut, Georgia, Minnesota, Portland Oregon, Vermont
Connecticut - News flash : Joe Biden wins Connecticut primary with 84%. In 2nd CD, a district now held by Democrats, one of the Republican hopefuls dropped out of the race Monday night after his arrest for "possible domestic violence". Of course his name is still on the ballot, and he's currently trailing the only other GOP candidate by -15 votes.
Georgia - in Peach State Republican runoff primary for open seat in GOP district, Marjorie Taylor Greene won Republican nomination (and kudos from Trumpsky) with 57% of runoff vote. A proponent of the crack pot QAnon conspiracy theory, MTG's opponent was endorsed by such arch-liberals as Steve Scalise, US House Republican whip; yet another primary victory for GOP wingnuts against conservative establishment.
Minnesota 5th CD - incumbent Ilhan Omar, a Somali American Muslim woman of color (all firsts for MN) wins Democratic Farmer Labor (DFL) nomination with 57% of primary vote versus Antone Melton-Meaux and several other rivals; yet another progressive vs moderate primary victory.
Portland, Oregon - rare municipal, non-partisan runoff special election to fill vacancy on Portland City Commission; both candidates liberal Democrats, winner Dan Ryan, gay former PDX school board member, narrowly defeated Loretta Smith, Black former Multnomah County commissioner who'd ran for another commissioner position few years ago but lost. Although she has a semi-checkered past, Smith was the favorite going into the runoff due in large measure to BLM, but strong campaign (not easy in age of Covid) put Ryan over the top.
Vermont Governor - incumbent Republican Gov. Phil Scott easily renominated, will face Democratic nominee Lt. Gov David Zuckerman, who is also leader of the Vermont Progressive which is allied with Dems. Poll in June showed Scott with 60%, Zuckerman 25%, other/undecided 15%.
Wisconsin - don't think much happened, somebody please tell us different!
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
“Not AS bad” is not the same as “acceptable”. I argued that I can see the logic behind their way of thinking in some ways.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
As a non-Black person I can’t comment on the dynamics of black people calling other black people the N word.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
“Not AS bad” is not the same as “acceptable”. I argued that I can see the logic behind their way of thinking in some ways.
Isn't all racism and prejudice equally bad? That's the whole point about treating people equally.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
Only white people go pink. It is clearly a racial slur. It would be like describing black people as "black pudding". It amuses me when the Left use it, they are not as pure as they think they are.
I'm not sure that 'gammon' is any worse than "woke, do-gooding, virtue signalling, metropolitan liberal elite tossers", which is what those of us who are not gammons tend to be called (by gammons). Oh, and the idea that gammon is racist is absurd.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
Only white people go pink. It is clearly a racial slur. It would be like describing black people as "black pudding". It amuses me when the Left use it, they are not as pure as they think they are.
I doubt those who use the word Gammon care how “pure” you think they are.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
As a non-Black person I can’t comment on the dynamics of black people calling other black people the N word.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
“Not AS bad” is not the same as “acceptable”. I argued that I can see the logic behind their way of thinking in some ways.
Isn't all racism and prejudice equally bad? That's the whole point about treating people equally.
I would say yes it is, however there’s definitely an argument that the impact of said racism is lessened when targeted at white people due to the power imbalance. I can sort of see the logic, as detailed by my anecdote.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
As a non-Black person I can’t comment on the dynamics of black people calling other black people the N word.
Why not?
Because it’s not my place. I don’t understand the history, the motivations, or the culture around it.
I cannot white-splain what words they should use amongst themselves.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
“Not AS bad” is not the same as “acceptable”. I argued that I can see the logic behind their way of thinking in some ways.
Isn't all racism and prejudice equally bad? That's the whole point about treating people equally.
I would say yes it is, however there’s definitely an argument that the impact of said racism is lessened when targeted at white people due to the power imbalance. I can sort of see the logic, as detailed by my anecdote.
The impact may be lessened, but I don't believe that it makes it any less wrong. Not getting at you, but I find the concept that racism against white people is less bad pretty distasteful.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
Beta blockers? ACE Inhibitors?
I soppose calling Gavin Williamson a fecking incompetent idiot would fall under the same category? I suppose he might be able to change the fecking bit.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
As a non-Black person I can’t comment on the dynamics of black people calling other black people the N word.
I cannot recall a time when a black person called another black person the N word, apart from in Tarantino films and the like. Never heard it in flesh world.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
Only white people go pink. It is clearly a racial slur. It would be like describing black people as "black pudding". It amuses me when the Left use it, they are not as pure as they think they are.
I doubt those who use the word Gammon care how “pure” you think they are.
On the contrary. They are normally Remainers whoe believe everyone who voted Leave is a racist xenophobe and that therefore they are a superior life form.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
It is not the same. The N word is principally a racial slur used by white racists to denigrate black people - all black people - for being black.
That it is sometimes used these days BY black people for other reasons changes that not one iota.
Gammon is a thick white bloke who has seen better days and is racist and forever angry.
You get upset about that being racist for one of 2 reasons -
1. You are a gammon. 2. You have poor language skills.
Neither applies to you - so I conclude you are on a wind up.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Just imagine an insult like that but for a non-white group of people. You'd be branded a racist in a nanosecond.
Life isn’t fair sunshine. Suck it up.
I'm not saying it is, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Those who use the word often are likely the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people due to white privilege and what not.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
People who say some forms of racism are okay kinda have a point? I thought all forms of racism were unacceptable.
That isn’t what I said.
"...the type who say that racism against white people is not as bad as racism against non white people..."
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
“Not AS bad” is not the same as “acceptable”. I argued that I can see the logic behind their way of thinking in some ways.
Isn't all racism and prejudice equally bad? That's the whole point about treating people equally.
I would say yes it is, however there’s definitely an argument that the impact of said racism is lessened when targeted at white people due to the power imbalance. I can sort of see the logic, as detailed by my anecdote.
The impact may be lessened, but I don't believe that it makes it any less wrong. Not getting at you, but I find the concept that racism against white people is less bad pretty distasteful.
I think it’s a huge generalisation, which is always wrong, and potentially dangerous.
The argument is thus:
A black person being racist to a white person in an area or country which has a large white majority is unlikely to cause the victim much concern or fear.
But a white person being racist to a black person in an area or country which has a large white majority is likely to cause the victim much distress and fear.
You can reverse these for a country or area with a large black majority.
That’s the power imbalance theory and it drives much of the left discourse at the moment. Hence why the problems with anti-semtism, Jews were weak and therefore victims and are now strong and cannot be victims.
The analogy breaks down, much like marxism, when it hits real life and its complexities and shades of grey.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
As a non-Black person I can’t comment on the dynamics of black people calling other black people the N word.
Why not?
Because it’s not my place. I don’t understand the history, the motivations, or the culture around it.
I cannot white-splain what words they should use amongst themselves.
For what it's worth, few Americans aside from Food Channel devotes and English majors have a clue what "gammon" is or is not. We just call it "ham".
When you say "gammon" first thing that pops into our fool colonial head is neither "White" or "ham" but rather "backgammon".
However, come to think of it, "redneck" definitely has a racial mean as it refers to the cumulative effect of the hot Southern sun on exposed flesh of Caucasian agriculturalists.
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
Why use the word gammon?
Because - as explained PT - it describes very well in a single word a white man who is past his prime and is a bit racist and so angry at lots of things that his blood boils.
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
Only white people go pink. It is clearly a racial slur. It would be like describing black people as "black pudding". It amuses me when the Left use it, they are not as pure as they think they are.
I doubt those who use the word Gammon care how “pure” you think they are.
On the contrary. They are normally Remainers whoe believe everyone who voted Leave is a racist xenophobe and that therefore they are a superior life form.
I have not met anyone who believes all Leavers are racist xenophobes. I have met some who believe all racist xenophobes are Leavers, but that is somewhat different.
Also frankly, I can see how it can be seen as offensive.
It’s supposed to be offensive.
I'd defend people's right to offend others. But it's interesting to point out this an insult based on something people can't change about themselves.
I don’t like the word, but it’s not about colour.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
Similar to the N word then
My understanding was that the N word is/was used to describe all black people.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
No, it’s the same. Black people who think they’re better than other black people call them the N word
It is not the same. The N word is principally a racial slur used by white racists to denigrate black people - all black people - for being black.
That it is sometimes used these days BY black people for other reasons changes that not one iota.
Gammon is a thick white bloke who has seen better days and is racist and forever angry.
You get upset about that being racist for one of 2 reasons -
1. You are one. 2. You have poor language skills.
You are neither - so I conclude you are on a wind up.
Are there any similar slurs for thick Asian men, or thick Indian men? The fact the insult is based on a racial characteristic is the problem.
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Crap in sense that it's NOT so - and crap in the sense that it's NOT working.
Which is pretty good Covid advice.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1293661943203598336
As there weren't any exams.
What there hasn't been is any assessment integrity. Or any attempt at it except by a magical algorithm with no oversight or openness.
The American ambassador to Britain rejected accusations that he made racially or sexually inappropriate comments toward employees at the U.S. Embassy in London.
Here is the actual report, which covers more than the crap conduct of this crap ambassador of a crap president to the Court of St James.
It covers much more than the turdish envoy; for example, Scots of all persuasions (political, ideological, sexual) will be shocked by shocking state of US consulate in Edinburgh.
https://www.stateoig.gov/system/files/isp-i-20-12.pdf
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/stonehaven-derailment.207648/page-22
Is it controversial that Catholic’s are playing some of the Jewish characters?
https://twitter.com/scottcobb/status/1292694221460328448?s=20
The most amazing thing about this is that Alex Jones is 46 years old. Forty fcking six!
A few things I need to get off my chest:
1. It’s fine to spend £500 on a coffee machine if you are really into coffee. The PB Paleoconservatives and their hair shirts piss me off.
2. This weather is not normal, even for London. It’s the first time on record the weather has exceeded 34c for five days’ running. It’s much hotter here than in Somerset, Hampshire or some other outpost. 35c and 31c is a big difference.
3. Offices won’t go to a four times a month model as @Sandpit suggested. People need to see each other. @Casino_Royale is much closer to the mark. 2:3. About five days per fortnight in the office and the rest at home/flexible.
4. No strong views on the status of the word gammon.
Test of "gammon" as a racial slur, is IF anyone has ever been punched in the nose in a bar for using it?
Also, if the Mail is furious that's...not a good sign for the Tories
Is there a better word that captures all of this?
But why do you have to mention the colour?
"1. It’s fine to spend £500 on a coffee machine if you are really into coffee. The PB Paleoconservatives and their hair shirts piss me off."
Agree. I'd never spend £500 on a coffee machine but if that's what people want to do with their money so be it.
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1293671957813231617
Even by usual standards.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/835895974291632129
Your inability to see this is a measure of your blinkered, middlebrow, leftwing self regard. Quite odious.
Goodnight.
I should never have uncancelled you.
What’s really shocking is the reporting that is saying that the numbers are being reduced by “about 10%” when of course the reality is that the numbers, over the past month, are being reduced by 90%+.
It just shows that for all this talk of a “resurgence” in Europe and elsewhere, which it is true possibly might be in its early stages, with the massive increase in testing including massive asymptomatic testing in the community, the case numbers are going to have to increase by at least a factor of 10, probably more like a factor of 100+ before we reach the sort of desperate hospital conditions that we had in early April.
Any word that doesn't refer to the race of the person being described is better.
Why do you have to mention the colour? Is there a significant difference between a white past his prime racist angry man (like the man pictured before) and a non-white past his prime racist angry man?
Definitely.
Gammon is just too much magenta, combined with the subject’s overly red complexion (something else not entirely immutable).
Your post PT about your colleague being bullied for being a Leaver -
Dreadful. No excuse for that at all. If there was loads of that going on in workplaces up and down the country then, yes, I can imagine it boosted the Leave vote.
But as I say, imo the true core mood of the country was far more Leave than 52/48 implies. It was a mood landslide. Still is.
Who am I kidding.
Yes only a white person can be a gammon, but not every white person is a gammon. It refers to white people who go into a frothing rage such as in the video. It’s that what is being ridiculed, not their colour.
They have some kind of a point. If someone insults my race, I don’t really give too much of a sh*t because I don’t care what they think, but that’s a privileged position.
Gammon is used to ridicule dense twats such as that guy in Austin, who happen to be white. Not quite the same.
Great debating.
"They have some kind of a point."
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but that seems pretty clear.
Gammon is a snide and jokey reference to what can happen to skin tone when the blood boils.
We all know the sort of bloke. And now we have a word that nails it. It does the job brilliantly and is not racist in any meaningful sense of that word. It's simply derogatory.
I do not bandy it about - in fact today is the first time in ages - but there is no way I'm dropping it just because people who are forever downplaying real racism with accusations of "playing the race card" now play the race card to ludicrously try to claim that a word to describe a angry white racist bloke is racist.
No. Gammon lives.
It's a lexical weapon in the culture war. When they go low, we go high most of the time but sometimes we go low too - but with considerably more wit and intelligence.
Connecticut - News flash : Joe Biden wins Connecticut primary with 84%. In 2nd CD, a district now held by Democrats, one of the Republican hopefuls dropped out of the race Monday night after his arrest for "possible domestic violence". Of course his name is still on the ballot, and he's currently trailing the only other GOP candidate by -15 votes.
Georgia - in Peach State Republican runoff primary for open seat in GOP district, Marjorie Taylor Greene won Republican nomination (and kudos from Trumpsky) with 57% of runoff vote. A proponent of the crack pot QAnon conspiracy theory, MTG's opponent was endorsed by such arch-liberals as Steve Scalise, US House Republican whip; yet another primary victory for GOP wingnuts against conservative establishment.
Minnesota 5th CD - incumbent Ilhan Omar, a Somali American Muslim woman of color (all firsts for MN) wins Democratic Farmer Labor (DFL) nomination with 57% of primary vote versus Antone Melton-Meaux and several other rivals; yet another progressive vs moderate primary victory.
Portland, Oregon - rare municipal, non-partisan runoff special election to fill vacancy on Portland City Commission; both candidates liberal Democrats, winner Dan Ryan, gay former PDX school board member, narrowly defeated Loretta Smith, Black former Multnomah County commissioner who'd ran for another commissioner position few years ago but lost. Although she has a semi-checkered past, Smith was the favorite going into the runoff due in large measure to BLM, but strong campaign (not easy in age of Covid) put Ryan over the top.
Vermont Governor - incumbent Republican Gov. Phil Scott easily renominated, will face Democratic nominee Lt. Gov David Zuckerman, who is also leader of the Vermont Progressive which is allied with Dems. Poll in June showed Scott with 60%, Zuckerman 25%, other/undecided 15%.
Wisconsin - don't think much happened, somebody please tell us different!
Freedom of speech & all...
I cannot white-splain what words they should use amongst themselves.
I soppose calling Gavin Williamson a fecking incompetent idiot would fall under the same category? I suppose he might be able to change the fecking bit.
That it is sometimes used these days BY black people for other reasons changes that not one iota.
Gammon is a thick white bloke who has seen better days and is racist and forever angry.
You get upset about that being racist for one of 2 reasons -
1. You are a gammon.
2. You have poor language skills.
Neither applies to you - so I conclude you are on a wind up.
The argument is thus:
A black person being racist to a white person in an area or country which has a large white majority is unlikely to cause the victim much concern or fear.
But a white person being racist to a black person in an area or country which has a large white majority is likely to cause the victim much distress and fear.
You can reverse these for a country or area with a large black majority.
That’s the power imbalance theory and it drives much of the left discourse at the moment. Hence why the problems with anti-semtism, Jews were weak and therefore victims and are now strong and cannot be victims.
The analogy breaks down, much like marxism, when it hits real life and its complexities and shades of grey.
When you say "gammon" first thing that pops into our fool colonial head is neither "White" or "ham" but rather "backgammon".
However, come to think of it, "redneck" definitely has a racial mean as it refers to the cumulative effect of the hot Southern sun on exposed flesh of Caucasian agriculturalists.