Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
Thanks for posting.
I tend to agree with you on Dawn and her history is not looking good on this matter. She would have more leverage if she hadn't been shown to be a bit of a fool before. Having said that I am sure she has experienced racism far more than I have.
I think in this case it probably was an innocent mistake.
But the statement still doesn't really explain why they stopped the car in the first place? Being from somewhere else in the country isn't reasonable grounds, otherwise I'd be stopped every time I drove to London.
So I hope the Police will add more context and clarify what I suspect is an honest mistake.
The car wouldn't physically match the description of the Yorkshire vehicle, so it would look like false plates.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
I missed the memo that Hackney is now for local cars only!
Surely most vehicles moving in any London borough are registered outside the borough all the time?
The police entered the reg incorrectly and the result came back as "Yorkshire" - so they stopped the car to see if that was the case. Why did Butler only upload 1m of an 8m video?
Butler doesnt have any powers over the population so I dont really mind what she does or her motives for doing so, although hope she never gets a senior position in a major party.
If the police can find time to stop cars simply for being out of town, why can they not find time to investigate serious crimes such as thefts and assaults? I do care what the police do, and it is bizarre behaviour to prioritise stopping cars for being from Yorkshire. Perhaps that was the best they could come up with as a justification.
Alternatively, they may have information on criminals coming from Yorkshire into London. Or stolen cars from Yorkshire being sold in London. And so on and so forth.
Why is this not reported on more then? Hardly seems a good use of Police time and don't the Police most of the time say theft is basically pointless to investigate nowadays?
Make your bloody mind up. You just demanded that the police should "investigate serious crimes like thefts", then, when I pointed out that that may be the exact reason they stopped this car - thefts - you said "theft is basically pointless to investigate".
You're an idiot. With all due respect.
No you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear. And you can't respectfully call somebody an idiot so quit with that shite and we'll get on fine.
I think investigating thefts is a good use of Police time, I said investigating where a car comes from is a waste of Police time. They had no evidence it was stolen.
The Police say thefts aren't investigated nowadays, they should investigate them but they don't. That was stating reality.
I'm sorry if it wasn't clear what I meant.
Embarrassing. Stop.
Oh fuck off then Sean
How many aliases has this guy got ?
It's a PB version of "I went shopping and I bought".
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
"An officer incorrectly entered" suggests nothing to do with ANPR.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
Thanks for posting.
I tend to agree with you on Dawn and her history is not looking good on this matter. She would have more leverage if she hadn't been shown to be a bit of a fool before. Having said that I am sure she has experienced racism far more than I have.
I think in this case it probably was an innocent mistake.
But the statement still doesn't really explain why they stopped the car in the first place? Being from somewhere else in the country isn't reasonable grounds, otherwise I'd be stopped every time I drove to London.
So I hope the Police will add more context and clarify what I suspect is an honest mistake.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I suspect they entered the numberplate wrong, it didn't match what the computer said and they stopped it for that reason.
Which is why it's strange they didn't just say that.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Have you been to Hackney? It's not all jellied eels and burqas. There are plenty of rich people who live there, work there and own businesses there. And of course it is part of London: the richest city in the country by far, so many other Londoners drive through it.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Have you been to Hackney? It's not all jellied eels and burqas. There are plenty of rich people who live there, work there and own businesses there. And of course it is part of London: the richest city in the country by far, so many other Londoners drive through it.
A flashy car is hardly rare in Hackney.
No, I have never been to Hackney. Is all of it nice? Is some of it run down? Where exactly was this car stopped?
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I suspect they entered the numberplate wrong, it didn't match what the computer said and they stopped it for that reason.
Which is why it's strange they didn't just say that.
From the 1m of her 8m video Ms Butler has seen fit to share, it appears they did.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Have you been to Hackney? It's not all jellied eels and burqas. There are plenty of rich people who live there, work there and own businesses there. And of course it is part of London: the richest city in the country by far, so many other Londoners drive through it.
A flashy car is hardly rare in Hackney.
No, I have never been to Hackney. Is all of it nice? Is some of it run down? Where exactly was this car stopped?
Quite a lot of it is now "nice". Houses in the most expensive Hackney locale, Albion Sq, cost £2.5m
There are very few places in central or inner London where a flashy car is so out of place it would, by itself, be a reason to stop a vehicle. Maybe the odd cul de sac on a very rundown estate. But then the car would be parked, I presume.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
ANPR is a set of fixed cameras at various locations that read plates in real time. Unless its recent not something thats used to read number plates direct from police cars.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
ANPR is a set of fixed cameras at various locations that read plates in real time. Unless its recent not something thats used to read number plates direct from police cars.
I only Googled it but it can be used in vehicles it seems.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Yes I do not think it would be anpr, more likely to be incorrect manual entry on PNC ,or the wrong reg passed to the control room operator. Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
Why would you want targets for this, I feel like this can only end in tears
On this we agree. The logical endpoint of this unhappy policy, if it is enacted, is an annual target for successful CONVICTIONS.
Edit: I just read the entire piece and it seems I am behind the times. The govt ALREADY has an "ambition" for the number of successful rape convictions per year, and has hit a 68% conviction rate! - hooray for the judicial system of Eurasia and Eastasia! - however this by itself has lowered the number of cases coming to court because the CPS doesn't want to risk aquittals: so weaker cases get dumped.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Yes I do not think it would be anpr, more likely to be incorrect manual entry on PNC ,or the wrong reg passed to the control room operator. Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
More likely stopped for having tinted rear windows, clearly an obvious sign of a drug dealer.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Yes I do not think it would be anpr, more likely to be incorrect manual entry on PNC ,or the wrong reg passed to the control room operator. Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
And that is something I hadn’t considered at all in my earlier comments.
Maybe they had intel on a make/model and it was of that type? Would that be possible? Might explain why they’re coy about saying too much as well.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Yes I do not think it would be anpr, more likely to be incorrect manual entry on PNC ,or the wrong reg passed to the control room operator. Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
And that is something I hadn’t considered at all in my earlier comments.
Maybe they had intel on a make/model and it was of that type? Would that be possible? Might explain why they’re coy about saying too much as well.
Yes that could be possible , intel on make model colour and partial reg.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I'm sorry, as I say I'm arguing from an ignorant POV.
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
I don’t know either, but ‘entered incorrectly’ suggests manual entry or it would be ‘read incorrectly.’
Yes I do not think it would be anpr, more likely to be incorrect manual entry on PNC ,or the wrong reg passed to the control room operator. Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
More likely stopped for having tinted rear windows, clearly an obvious sign of a drug dealer.
No, they are for people with embarrassingly ugly children.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Britain had a sudden lockdown and 50,000 still died. As for the Swedish projection, was that assuming the status quo?
And the fatality rate must be an order of magnitude lower there if they are reaching herd immunity and we are at less than 10%.
Yes. From the original paper and the excel spreadsheet. The higher figure is completely unmitigated, and lower figures are from different methods. With some social distancing but no extra measures to protect the elderly (which is far less than the Swedish measures), you get the 40,000 figure. With enhanced social distancing of the elderly (reduction in social contact by 60%), which is pretty much what Sweden have tried to do, the final death toll was projected at 16,000 for Sweden when the disease had fully run its course and all restrictions could then be lifted.
Which they’re still nowhere near doing. They still have the same restrictions, we’ve lifted ours until we’re very similar to them, they’ve incurred a worse economic hit than any of their neighbours together with a death toll far far worse than any of them, and there’s little sign of any economic recovery in sight for them.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Belarus is about to enter a seven day period where it will either explode or President Big Hat will have just sailed on through.
Russia has been taking few chances. It has its advance parties in the country and a number of its most notable offensive unis, including the 4th Guards Tank Division, have been shifted west closer to the border. As a note, you don't deploy tank divisions to increase border security in case of an overspill of civil disruption in a neighboring country.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
So now they have committed a sin by entering the numberplate into the computer? Wow. I thought it was just stopping black people they weren't supposed to do - I didn't realise even following a lead privately was out of bounds.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Britain had a sudden lockdown and 50,000 still died. As for the Swedish projection, was that assuming the status quo?
And the fatality rate must be an order of magnitude lower there if they are reaching herd immunity and we are at less than 10%.
Yes. From the original paper and the excel spreadsheet. The higher figure is completely unmitigated, and lower figures are from different methods. With some social distancing but no extra measures to protect the elderly (which is far less than the Swedish measures), you get the 40,000 figure. With enhanced social distancing of the elderly (reduction in social contact by 60%), which is pretty much what Sweden have tried to do, the final death toll was projected at 16,000 for Sweden when the disease had fully run its course and all restrictions could then be lifted.
Which they’re still nowhere near doing. They still have the same restrictions, we’ve lifted ours until we’re very similar to them, they’ve incurred a worse economic hit than any of their neighbours together with a death toll far far worse than any of them, and there’s little sign of any economic recovery in sight for them.
Funny how that all tends not to be mentioned.
Well, the Swedes themselves do say this is a marathon not a sprint. And so far we're not even halfway through the marathon. We just have to wait and see.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
So now they have committed a sin by entering the numberplate into the computer? Wow. I thought it was just stopping black people they weren't supposed to do - I didn't realise even following a lead privately was out of bounds.
Quite.
And remember how The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, was eventually arrested: by exactly this basic coppering. That is to say: a policeman noticed a vehicle with false number plates.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
So now they have committed a sin by entering the numberplate into the computer? Wow. I thought it was just stopping black people they weren't supposed to do - I didn't realise even following a lead privately was out of bounds.
Quite.
And remember how The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, was eventually arrested: by exactly this basic coppering. That is to say: a policeman noticed a vehicle with false number plates.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
So now they have committed a sin by entering the numberplate into the computer? Wow. I thought it was just stopping black people they weren't supposed to do - I didn't realise even following a lead privately was out of bounds.
Quite.
And remember how The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, was eventually arrested: by exactly this basic coppering. That is to say: a policeman noticed a vehicle with false number plates.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Sean AKA @LadyG has registered two new accounts today.
@SheenaT and @LaddyDearic are obviously him. Just as I called him out they joined.
Nah, can't be done, besides it breaches all sorts of PB rules. Anyway LaddyDearic is nothing like SeanT. and SheenaT is nothing like Eadric (or LadyG).
At what point do we find out if a vaccine is going to work?
There's a quote in the Times today (IIRC) from an unnamed government expert who reckons there is a "one in three" chance we will ever get a truly effective vaccine.
Don't pin your hopes on it.
I see no reason why that government expert would be uninformed. But it doesn’t really matter does it. It just needs to be “good enough”. Good enough to shift the R down a gear, good enough to take another 50% out of the CFR, good enough that everyone swallows hard and gets on with their lives again.
Everything I’ve heard from those in a position to know is that it will be just that. No silver bullet but good enough.
It also depends on the definition of “truly effective”.
Typical probability of technical success for a phase 3 small molecule is around 70%. Vaccines are slightly lower (IIRC c 65%). And that’s for a product with sufficient efficacy to be approved in normal times. Given the critical unmet need, if a candidate has a clean SAE profile it will be approved even if only marginal efficacy
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
I agree the article is less than scintillating. But then, he's writing about Keir Starmer. The least scintillating man in British politics. A challenge for any writer, comedian or impressionist.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
“I can’t see what’s in the back of your car” could equal illegally tinted windows
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
“I can’t see what’s in the back of your car” could equal illegally tinted windows
That might well be it then and it seems logical to me.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
“I can’t see what’s in the back of your car” could equal illegally tinted windows
The answer to all these disputes is, surely, for police to be routinely fitted with their own GoPro cams which record all interactions with the public.
Then they could show the entire context. Good for public trust, good for the police.
It's a conundrum for dictators. You've decided to hold regular elections, thus implicitly accepting that democracy is a good thing, but obviously the outcome should not be in question. Therefore, how much effort do you put into your faked results?
Do you have people count ballots, but just release made up figures? Do you just burn the ballots and make up some figures to save on bureaucracy?
And how to decide how high a vote share to give yourself? The most clueless are those who give themselves a share in the 90s, but anything in the 70s could suggest as many as a quarter of the people do not back and you and that's not good, so probably best to shoot for the 80s.
There's something to be said for dictatorial regimes which don't even pretend that democracy is a good thing. Bit more honest.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
"More than half of Swedish households are single-person, the highest proportion in the EU"
That, by itself, may explain much.
Very true. Intra-household transmission would be far less. I wouldn’t be surprised if the natural social distance in Sweden would have the effect of lowering the R number by a third compared to here in the UK. So if R0 here was 3, it’d be just 2 there.
Given that I spent a large part of my younger days seeing stop and search close up here are some, perhaps unpalatable, facts:
1. It tends to happen a lot more in certain areas for a reason, ie that's where the problems are. If that is an area with disproportionately more black people., what do you think is going to occur? 2. Profiling does happen, whether its by age gender or race or a combo, for example two old black people are less likely to get stopped than two younger black people, or possibly two young white people for that matter 3. Communities and some within get reputations, and the idea that officers don't consider that is bollocks, of course they will. We all profile and form views , like for example by political allegiance or class. Anyone who says they never do it is full of crap. You can only take so much subliminal bias out, especially given these officers see and know a lot more than joe public who doesn't see it up close. 4. Stop and search is a blanket measure, a general purpose tool, in the majority of cases its executed to precise information. In fact if you were in receipt of specific actionable intelligence you'd probably not execute using stop and search by a couple of plod. Stop and search is not completely willy nilly, but it isn't the output of precise info either. 5. An out of area vehicle can attract attention and actually should in many cases.
Are you going to get racist police officers? Yes. Is stop and search inherently racist? Probably not.
As for intelligence-led policing, this is not as precise as you'd imagine either in most cases. Absolute actionable info (e.g. this will happen at this precise time, such and such will be here, such and such will be armed) when it comes to criminal gangs is a minority proportion of what is called intelligence led police operations. Most of it is based upon more general info and knowledge, that a killing of a person may lead to another killing of known individuals. That a certain area has been chosen for a dust up and so on.
As a simple example. We had our childhood family house raided twice back in the day. Both complete errors, nothing found and they pretty much knew it after about 60 seconds thus ensuring the place didn't get totally turned over. Did we live in an area with a reputation? Absolutely. Did something suggest the house might need turning over for weapons? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
Thanks for posting.
I tend to agree with you on Dawn and her history is not looking good on this matter. She would have more leverage if she hadn't been shown to be a bit of a fool before. Having said that I am sure she has experienced racism far more than I have.
I think in this case it probably was an innocent mistake.
But the statement still doesn't really explain why they stopped the car in the first place? Being from somewhere else in the country isn't reasonable grounds, otherwise I'd be stopped every time I drove to London.
So I hope the Police will add more context and clarify what I suspect is an honest mistake.
Someone else posted this up thread.
The computer system would also bring up make, model and colour for the car.
The probability is that this was different to the car Butler was in.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
“I can’t see what’s in the back of your car” could equal illegally tinted windows
The answer to all these disputes is, surely, for police to be routinely fitted with their own GoPro cams which record all interactions with the public.
Then they could show the entire context. Good for public trust, good for the police.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
“I can’t see what’s in the back of your car” could equal illegally tinted windows
The answer to all these disputes is, surely, for police to be routinely fitted with their own GoPro cams which record all interactions with the public.
Then they could show the entire context. Good for public trust, good for the police.
A no brainer really. I don't actually know what the policy is on such cameras, as I thought some officers already had them.
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
Yes, he's going for those seats first, in effort to get to 40% in the polls.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Britain had a sudden lockdown and 50,000 still died. As for the Swedish projection, was that assuming the status quo?
And the fatality rate must be an order of magnitude lower there if they are reaching herd immunity and we are at less than 10%.
Yes. From the original paper and the excel spreadsheet. The higher figure is completely unmitigated, and lower figures are from different methods. With some social distancing but no extra measures to protect the elderly (which is far less than the Swedish measures), you get the 40,000 figure. With enhanced social distancing of the elderly (reduction in social contact by 60%), which is pretty much what Sweden have tried to do, the final death toll was projected at 16,000 for Sweden when the disease had fully run its course and all restrictions could then be lifted.
Which they’re still nowhere near doing. They still have the same restrictions, we’ve lifted ours until we’re very similar to them, they’ve incurred a worse economic hit than any of their neighbours together with a death toll far far worse than any of them, and there’s little sign of any economic recovery in sight for them.
Funny how that all tends not to be mentioned.
Well, the Swedes themselves do say this is a marathon not a sprint. And so far we're not even halfway through the marathon. We just have to wait and see.
If there's no early vaccine, the Swedes will be vindicated.
If there is, they will have endured a more torrid time (in both death toll and economic impact) than Denmark, Norway and Finland for no benefit.
I'm not sure he needs nor wants superfans. A narrow clique is where Corbyn went wrong
He's the equivalent of beige? I love beige. It's no nonsense, gets the job done, and is so common as to be ubiquitous.
It's a sign of being over 50 that you start buying beige clothes, usually fooled by the deviousness of manufacturers who describe the colour as sand or taupe or butterscotch.
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
The blue collar leave voters won't be coming back to Labour while Johnson is PM, even if the country is on its knees economically. They love Johnson!
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
I suspect they entered the numberplate wrong, it didn't match what the computer said and they stopped it for that reason.
Which is why it's strange they didn't just say that.
Some on Twitter claim the driver (Butler was the passenger) was not black (do the Met racially profile passengers?) and the car was registered outside the area (some people register cars in lower crime post codes to reduce premiums).
I hope the Met release any footage they have.
Perhaps for the same reason that in the Bianca Williams case the footage was edited (except for the Times) to cut out the 20-25s of them failing to do as instructed by the police whilst they were pissing about with the camera (plus the failing to stop before that)?
Or perhaps because the full footage would reveal that the "racial profiling" claim is pish, and that it shows the police explaining that the stop is due to misquoting the numberplate.
People dont normally get stopped for driving somewhere other than their home town! What is this nonsense?
This is the Met Statement. I need to see the full footage before I can say more. However Dawn Butler's history leads me to be skeptical when she claims things.
------------- At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.
Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.
Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.
Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then allowed on their way.
No searches were carried out on any individuals.
One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.
We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with the occupants if they wish to do so.
The statement is missing the crucial piece of information - Why did they enter the registration into a police computer in the first place? This is no way shows that they were making a sensible stop rather than a racially profiled one.
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
I thought ANPR was automatic to be honest - but I'm not an expert on these things.
Although @noneoftheabove has a good point - ANPR wouldn’t have entered it wrongly. It sounds as though it was entered manually.
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Have you been to Hackney? It's not all jellied eels and burqas. There are plenty of rich people who live there, work there and own businesses there. And of course it is part of London: the richest city in the country by far, so many other Londoners drive through it.
A flashy car is hardly rare in Hackney.
No, I have never been to Hackney. Is all of it nice? Is some of it run down? Where exactly was this car stopped?
Quite a lot of it is now "nice". Houses in the most expensive Hackney locale, Albion Sq, cost £2.5m
There are very few places in central or inner London where a flashy car is so out of place it would, by itself, be a reason to stop a vehicle. Maybe the odd cul de sac on a very rundown estate. But then the car would be parked, I presume.
So 1.5x the price of the average house in newport beach
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
The blue collar leave voters won't be coming back to Labour while Johnson is PM, even if the country is on its knees economically. They love Johnson!
Indeed they voted for Corbyn in 2017 despite his IRA links but switched to Boris in 2019 to get Brexit done, this ad does not target them however, it targets Remain voters in London and the South who voted Tory in 2017 and 2019 mainly to keep Corbyn out, not out of love for Brexit.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
"More than half of Swedish households are single-person, the highest proportion in the EU"
That, by itself, may explain much.
Very true. Intra-household transmission would be far less. I wouldn’t be surprised if the natural social distance in Sweden would have the effect of lowering the R number by a third compared to here in the UK. So if R0 here was 3, it’d be just 2 there.
I went to Sweden a couple of years ago. Walking into a pub was like walking into a respectful Quaker meeting where a valued congregant recently passed away. They just aren't very voluble, or touchy feely, or physically interactive (until they get blind drunk. Then they pillage.)
Add that to the single households, and you probably have all you need for an explanation.
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
The blue collar leave voters won't be coming back to Labour while Johnson is PM, even if the country is on its knees economically. They love Johnson!
That is a great exaggeration. Some of those voters do like him - but only in the sense that quite a few Eastenders liked the Kray twins.
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
"More than half of Swedish households are single-person, the highest proportion in the EU"
That, by itself, may explain much.
Very true. Intra-household transmission would be far less. I wouldn’t be surprised if the natural social distance in Sweden would have the effect of lowering the R number by a third compared to here in the UK. So if R0 here was 3, it’d be just 2 there.
I went to Sweden a couple of years ago. Walking into a pub was like walking into a respectful Quaker meeting where a valued congregant recently passed away. They just aren't very voluble, or touchy feely, or physically interactive (until they get blind drunk. Then they pillage.)
Prof Franks pointed out that, according to the Imperial College model that sparked Britain’s sudden lockdown, Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 deaths.
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
Britain had a sudden lockdown and 50,000 still died. As for the Swedish projection, was that assuming the status quo?
And the fatality rate must be an order of magnitude lower there if they are reaching herd immunity and we are at less than 10%.
Yes. From the original paper and the excel spreadsheet. The higher figure is completely unmitigated, and lower figures are from different methods. With some social distancing but no extra measures to protect the elderly (which is far less than the Swedish measures), you get the 40,000 figure. With enhanced social distancing of the elderly (reduction in social contact by 60%), which is pretty much what Sweden have tried to do, the final death toll was projected at 16,000 for Sweden when the disease had fully run its course and all restrictions could then be lifted.
Which they’re still nowhere near doing. They still have the same restrictions, we’ve lifted ours until we’re very similar to them, they’ve incurred a worse economic hit than any of their neighbours together with a death toll far far worse than any of them, and there’s little sign of any economic recovery in sight for them.
Funny how that all tends not to be mentioned.
Well, the Swedes themselves do say this is a marathon not a sprint. And so far we're not even halfway through the marathon. We just have to wait and see.
If there's no early vaccine, the Swedes will be vindicated.
If there is, they will have endured a more torrid time (in both death toll and economic impact) than Denmark, Norway and Finland for no benefit.
No, you can't say that. What if there is a horrific second wave? Or the virus mutates into something worse? Or the pandemic itself kicks off horrible second order chaos - wars, revolutions, and so on?
This whole thing is so huge, grave and unprecedented - complex beyond imagining - it is a fool's errand to make definite predictions.
This Claire Fox ad is clearly targeted at Remain voting Tories in London and the South, suggesting Starmer is targeting them ahead of Leave voters in the Red Wall Labour lost last year
The blue collar leave voters won't be coming back to Labour while Johnson is PM, even if the country is on its knees economically. They love Johnson!
That is a great exaggeration. Some of those voters do like him - but only in the sense that quite a few Eastenders liked the Kray twins.
As for intelligence-led policing, this is not as precise as you'd imagine either in most cases. Absolute actionable info (e.g. this will happen at this precise time, such and such will be here, such and such will be armed) when it comes to criminal gangs is a minority proportion of what is called intelligence led police operations. Most of it is based upon more general info and knowledge, that a killing of a person may lead to another killing of known individuals. That a certain area has been chosen for a dust up and so on.
As a simple example. We had our childhood family house raided twice back in the day. Both complete errors, nothing found and they pretty much knew it after about 60 seconds thus ensuring the place didn't get totally turned over. Did we live in an area with a reputation? Absolutely. Did something suggest the house might need turning over for weapons? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes.
I think you're treating a serious problem too casually. If your exp0erience of the police is that they stop and search you on average EVERY WEEK, as happens to two people who I know, it has a counter-productively alienating effect. Quite possibly it will sometimes turn up a offence, just as it would if, say, every business was inspected every week to see if the correct sales figures were being reported to HMRC. It is still not worth it.
As for stopping someone "because an officer incorrectly identified it as being registered in Yorkshire", ffs - people in Yorkshire aren't allowed in London?
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I'm not saying they are Sean but is that not a bit suspicious?
Surely the police dont drive around town randomly entering number plates into a computer and stopping some? If they do no wonder they have no time to do sensible things like investigate assaults and theft.
It stops when the alphabet is covered.
I hope I'm wrong and it's always good to see a new poster. But count me cynical.
I'm not sure this is particularly helpful. I just feel like we're going to lose anyone that might listen and just undermine Labour again
But - if the driver was white, would racial profiling be involved?
Or did they just think, nice car in dodgy area, is suspicious, let’s check it out?
Do they not all have ANPR, so is that why they would they need to enter it manually?
If not, this strikes me as a very optimistic analysis.
Which is why it's strange they didn't just say that.
A flashy car is hardly rare in Hackney.
Why would you want targets for this, I feel like this can only end in tears
https://www.mouseprice.com/area-guide/most-expensive-streets/e8
There are very few places in central or inner London where a flashy car is so out of place it would, by itself, be a reason to stop a vehicle. Maybe the odd cul de sac on a very rundown estate. But then the car would be parked, I presume.
Yes it would be beyond cynical to do such a thing. But...
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1292381919511031810?s=20
https://www.dorset.police.uk/news-information/about-dorset-police/departments-sections/specialist-operations/anpr/
"In addition to being mounted within police vehicles..."
It is Dorset Police albeit.
She's good because she's a good politician, it's a bit offensive to say she's good because she once worked for Blair.
Which would ask the question why were they checking the vehicle ?
Edit: I just read the entire piece and it seems I am behind the times. The govt ALREADY has an "ambition" for the number of successful rape convictions per year, and has hit a 68% conviction rate! - hooray for the judicial system of Eurasia and Eastasia! - however this by itself has lowered the number of cases coming to court because the CPS doesn't want to risk aquittals: so weaker cases get dumped.
What a politically correct mess.
I'm not sure he needs nor wants superfans. A narrow clique is where Corbyn went wrong
So far, this country of 10.1 million people has seen 5,763 fatalities,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8607731/Why-Sweden-pilloried-world-refusing-lock-having-laugh.html
Maybe they had intel on a make/model and it was of that type? Would that be possible? Might explain why they’re coy about saying too much as well.
And the fatality rate must be an order of magnitude lower there if they are reaching herd immunity and we are at less than 10%.
See the graph here: https://lockdownsceptics.org/schools-paper/
I assume they didn't use an equivalent of 'protect the NHS' either.
With enhanced social distancing of the elderly (reduction in social contact by 60%), which is pretty much what Sweden have tried to do, the final death toll was projected at 16,000 for Sweden when the disease had fully run its course and all restrictions could then be lifted.
Which they’re still nowhere near doing. They still have the same restrictions, we’ve lifted ours until we’re very similar to them, they’ve incurred a worse economic hit than any of their neighbours together with a death toll far far worse than any of them, and there’s little sign of any economic recovery in sight for them.
Funny how that all tends not to be mentioned.
Russia has been taking few chances. It has its advance parties in the country and a number of its most notable offensive unis, including the 4th Guards Tank Division, have been shifted west closer to the border. As a note, you don't deploy tank divisions to increase border security in case of an overspill of civil disruption in a neighboring country.
And also ascertained.
That Stormont place which is dependent upon handouts from British taxpayers.
A few seconds on google will show, as an example, David Cameron being all pally with Martin McGuinness, a member of the IRA army council.
Unpleasant perhaps but such things often need to be done to bring conflicts to an end and we're all supposed to be peace and forgiveness now.
And remember how The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, was eventually arrested: by exactly this basic coppering. That is to say: a policeman noticed a vehicle with false number plates.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/police-caught-yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-sheffield-37-years-ago-week-114604
@SheenaT and @LaddyDearic are obviously him. Just as I called him out they joined.
https://twitter.com/torkil_ts/status/1292511904838160384?s=20
https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1292511142527610880?s=19
It's a poignant story. They had little kids. There but for the grace of God...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767601/ROBERT-COLVILE-lost-wife-little-known-disease-five-months-ago.html
False number plates spotted: evil killer arrested.
What those differences are is something worth knowing.
So welcome, both!
Typical probability of technical success for a phase 3 small molecule is around 70%. Vaccines are slightly lower (IIRC c 65%). And that’s for a product with sufficient efficacy to be approved in normal times. Given the critical unmet need, if a candidate has a clean SAE profile it will be approved even if only marginal efficacy
The article on Starmer isn't particularly inspiring though.
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190821-why-so-many-young-swedes-live-alone
"More than half of Swedish households are single-person, the highest proportion in the EU"
That, by itself, may explain much.
Not sure there's much to it really
I agree the article is less than scintillating. But then, he's writing about Keir Starmer. The least scintillating man in British politics. A challenge for any writer, comedian or impressionist.
Then they could show the entire context. Good for public trust, good for the police.
Do you have people count ballots, but just release made up figures? Do you just burn the ballots and make up some figures to save on bureaucracy?
And how to decide how high a vote share to give yourself? The most clueless are those who give themselves a share in the 90s, but anything in the 70s could suggest as many as a quarter of the people do not back and you and that's not good, so probably best to shoot for the 80s.
There's something to be said for dictatorial regimes which don't even pretend that democracy is a good thing. Bit more honest.
Intra-household transmission would be far less.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the natural social distance in Sweden would have the effect of lowering the R number by a third compared to here in the UK.
So if R0 here was 3, it’d be just 2 there.
Wonder when she's going to release the full video.....
1. It tends to happen a lot more in certain areas for a reason, ie that's where the problems are. If that is an area with disproportionately more black people., what do you think is going to occur?
2. Profiling does happen, whether its by age gender or race or a combo, for example two old black people are less likely to get stopped than two younger black people, or possibly two young white people for that matter
3. Communities and some within get reputations, and the idea that officers don't consider that is bollocks, of course they will. We all profile and form views , like for example by political allegiance or class. Anyone who says they never do it is full of crap. You can only take so much subliminal bias out, especially given these officers see and know a lot more than joe public who doesn't see it up close.
4. Stop and search is a blanket measure, a general purpose tool, in the majority of cases its executed to precise information. In fact if you were in receipt of specific actionable intelligence you'd probably not execute using stop and search by a couple of plod. Stop and search is not completely willy nilly, but it isn't the output of precise info either.
5. An out of area vehicle can attract attention and actually should in many cases.
Are you going to get racist police officers? Yes. Is stop and search inherently racist? Probably not.
As for intelligence-led policing, this is not as precise as you'd imagine either in most cases. Absolute actionable info (e.g. this will happen at this precise time, such and such will be here, such and such will be armed) when it comes to criminal gangs is a minority proportion of what is called intelligence led police operations. Most of it is based upon more general info and knowledge, that a killing of a person may lead to another killing of known individuals. That a certain area has been chosen for a dust up and so on.
As a simple example. We had our childhood family house raided twice back in the day. Both complete errors, nothing found and they pretty much knew it after about 60 seconds thus ensuring the place didn't get totally turned over. Did we live in an area with a reputation? Absolutely. Did something suggest the house might need turning over for weapons? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes.
The computer system would also bring up make, model and colour for the car.
The probability is that this was different to the car Butler was in.
That is good reason to investigate
'At last the horror is over and we can go back to normal, staying at least 10m away from each other'
If there is, they will have endured a more torrid time (in both death toll and economic impact) than Denmark, Norway and Finland for no benefit.
Could be clever by Starmer
Add that to the single households, and you probably have all you need for an explanation.
Build Back Better (Biden) I suppose has alliteration but Rebuild Back Better? Is the 3 word thing that important?
This whole thing is so huge, grave and unprecedented - complex beyond imagining - it is a fool's errand to make definite predictions.
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1292538428148637696?s=20
As for stopping someone "because an officer incorrectly identified it as being registered in Yorkshire", ffs - people in Yorkshire aren't allowed in London?