I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Intention vs actual performance. Sometimes I'm brave, sometimes I'm not.
Mountbatten's name is mud in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh.
The view is his focus was on making the House of Windsor the House of Mountbatten, which is why he allowed his wife to get boffed by Nehru, rather than ensure a peaceful partition.
Why would allowing his wife to do that, have that result?
The fact that he bowled round the wicket does him no favours with a lot of people in those parts.
That it caused a certain antipathy towards Nehru which led to the messy partition.
No, I mean why would it make the HoW the HoM?
Queen's 'tears' over Duke of Edinburgh's 'brutal' behaviour
The Queen was reduced to tears by the Duke of Edinburgh’s “brutal” behaviour towards her when she refused to take his surname of Mountbatten, according to a new biography.
Sally Bedell Smith even suggests that the ten-year delay between the births of the Princess Royal and the Duke of York was the result of “Philip’s anger over the Queen’s rejection of his family name”.
Her book, Elizabeth the Queen, to be published in January, details the Duke’s deep-rooted irritation over the monarch’s decision to accept the advice of the then prime minister, Winston Churchill, by keeping the family name Windsor.
The Duke had wanted the Royal family to be known as the House of Mountbatten when the Queen came to the throne in 1952, and complained to friends that: “I am the only man in the country not allowed to give his name to his children. I’m nothing but a bloody amoeba.”
Earl Mountbatten, the Duke’s uncle and mentor, believed the “delay” in the couple having any more children after the Princess Royal was a result of the Duke’s anger over the question of the family name.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
The French do it sometimes, well the running away bit.
Laval fought to the death, of course.
That is, he fought against his own people and was put to death.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
Sadly Hague was the worst Tory leader since the Duke of Wellington, great orator though he may have been, plus Blair was still firmly occupying the centre ground in 2001
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
Sadly Hague was the worst Tory leader since the Duke of Wellington, great orator though he may have been, plus Blair was still firmly occupying the centre ground in 2001
A little unfair to William. And in stumbled the Quiet Man and it got much, much worse.
The Tories had a higher average poll rating under IDS than under Hague
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
My understanding was that it started because his nickname was "Chariots Offiah", a nod to the 1981 film Chariots of Fire, due to his lightning speed.
Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, then started whilst Offiah was playing as a nod to this nickname.
So it was a song of respect. I don't think there's ever been anything malicious about it.
But Martin Offiah never played for England in the proper version of rugby.
So it has no real link with the English Rugby Union team.
Why he never played for England at Union is another question.
Apart from Jason Robinson not many rugby league players are good enough to play union.
In those days, Offiah would have walked into the English union team, had it abandoned its absurd stipulation on amateurism years earlier. By the time it jettisoned the upper-class fatties in 1996, Offiah was in the twilight of his career.
Funnily enough I used to see him regularly - years ago I lived a few streets away from him in Ealing, where I assume he still lives.
Except he played Union for years at Rosslyn Park. Yet never got picked...a mystery.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
The most likely thing is that the trends we saw at the last couple of elections will continue at the next election, which means the Tories are likely to lose seats like Chingford, Chipping Barnet, Kensington, and they'll struggle to win back Canterbury, Portsmouth South, Reading East, Cardiff North.
So long as the taxpayer isn't paying up front in the event that it doesn't work.
You can't have it both ways ... AstraZeneca have agreed to supply the vaccine pretty much world-wide, on a not-for-profit basis to combat the current pandemic. You can hardly expect them to also meet the actual cost of producing the cost of manufacturing the vaccine which is being paid for by the British and other governments. The alternative would be to spend many more months testing the vaccine to exhaustion until everyone was 100% satisfied that it was 100% effective, during which period possibly hundreds of thousands of additional deaths would occur. Is that really what you want?
Well this site is called Political Betting after all.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Intention vs actual performance. Sometimes I'm brave, sometimes I'm not.
Flight or fight - you can't know how you'd react until it happens.
I once interrupted a burglar in my own home. I'd been asleep in bed and was wearing nothing but my boxers while the burglar was carrying a large screwdriver that he'd broken in with (he'd plied open a kitchen window with a crash that had woken me up). Instinct took over and he ran away and I instinctively ran after him without even thinking. Who knows what would have happened had I caught up with him! Though managed to catch the reg plate he drove away in at least which helped lead to him being arrested and sentenced . . . to a suspended sentence and community service FFS.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
Sadly Hague was the worst Tory leader since the Duke of Wellington, great orator though he may have been, plus Blair was still firmly occupying the centre ground in 2001
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
Sadly Hague was the worst Tory leader since the Duke of Wellington, great orator though he may have been, plus Blair was still firmly occupying the centre ground in 2001
A little unfair to William. And in stumbled the Quiet Man and it got much, much worse.
The Tories had a higher average poll rating under IDS than under Hague
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Intention vs actual performance. Sometimes I'm brave, sometimes I'm not.
Flight or fight - you can't know how you'd react until it happens.
I once interrupted a burglar in my own home. I'd been asleep in bed and was wearing nothing but my boxers while the burglar was carrying a large screwdriver that he'd broken in with (he'd plied open a kitchen window with a crash that had woken me up). Instinct took over and he ran away and I instinctively ran after him without even thinking. Who knows what would have happened had I caught up with him! Though managed to catch the reg plate he drove away in at least which helped lead to him being arrested and sentenced . . . to a suspended sentence and community service FFS.
Perhaps the sight of you in boxer shorts had a sufficiently salutary moral effect?
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
Agreed 100%
In how you respond to a protest and what gestures you make I 100% agree should be a personal choice.
To not even bother to educate yourself on one of the most basic news stories going on at the minute then to betray that ignorance with a pop culture reference - that is pathetic.
Its really made me think awfully of Raab. He should be sacked, not for his choice but for his complete ignorance of what is going on.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
Agreed 100%
In how you respond to a protest and what gestures you make I 100% agree should be a personal choice.
To not even bother to educate yourself on one of the most basic news stories going on at the minute then to betray that ignorance with a pop culture reference - that is pathetic.
Its really made me think awfully of Raab. He should be sacked, not for his choice but for his complete ignorance of what is going on.
Well quite. Let's consider the news agenda as it's played out today.
1. President Macron visits London. World War II. Heroic memories. Friends with European Nations. 2. Vera Lynn dies. Sad, but again echoes a braver and more united time. 3. The government admits that their Covid app needs rethinking. Good from a "stopping digging when in a hole" point of view, and a polishable turd, just about. And maybe the plan was to sneak this out under cover of 1. 4. The Foreign Secretary admits his ignorance of USA Current Affairs by linking them to a show where ladies don't wear many clothes.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Intention vs actual performance. Sometimes I'm brave, sometimes I'm not.
Flight or fight - you can't know how you'd react until it happens.
I once interrupted a burglar in my own home. I'd been asleep in bed and was wearing nothing but my boxers while the burglar was carrying a large screwdriver that he'd broken in with (he'd plied open a kitchen window with a crash that had woken me up). Instinct took over and he ran away and I instinctively ran after him without even thinking. Who knows what would have happened had I caught up with him! Though managed to catch the reg plate he drove away in at least which helped lead to him being arrested and sentenced . . . to a suspended sentence and community service FFS.
Quite
I had a similar experience of tearing my feet to shreds on pavement when chasing a potential burglar in my underpants down a London street. I've also shivered in my bed in fear over the same event. I think I would have happily killed him if I had caught him though, so perhaps he should be the one shivering.
If called upon (in any way) I think I would fight, but I'm far from sure.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Scrapping with the Military Police as they arrest you for desertion?
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
I remember the Tories canvassing Cowbridge High Street with the "save the pound" slogan. It was an uninspiring campaign and pathetic slogan. Ironically, had Hague won we probably wouldn't have arrived at the In, out, shake it all about referendum. I wish I'd voted for Hague!
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
So you'd never curtsey or bow for the Queen?
Good to have another republican on PB.
I would bow (as I'm male), and unhesitatingly so. It's what she and her court expects. I think we owe a lot to QE2. I'd also fight to the death for Queen and country. (I might run away mind - a different issue)
I would also vote for the abolition of the Monarchy.
I’m intrigued. How do you fight to the death while running away?
Scrapping with the Military Police as they arrest you for desertion?
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
I fear so -
"Let the message ring out loud and clear to all corners of this green and pleasant land - my name is Dominic Raab and I kneel to no-one but the Queen."
I'd get rid of the Monarchy on principle but I understand I'm not in tune with 99% of the country so it is something I rarely bring up.
20-25% of the country want to abolish the monarchy IIRC.
I am one of them. After this queen, who has done an excellent job. Can never agree that by birth one can be head of state, in a modern democracy.
I'm open to abolishing it once the current monarch's reign is over, especially if other countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada decide to do so.
I see cyberpunk game has been delayed again....the NHS tracking app might even be out before it as this rate.
I don't know if anyone else here has played it but Factorio have brought forward their 1.0 release leaving Early Access because the game is complete and they wanted to avoid their release date clashing with Cyberpunk. If anyone is interested Factorio is a great game and I'd highly recommend it.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Gentle sarcasm to troll a poster with a particular obsession about EMU clearly doesn’t work...
Raab probably did trivialise BLM, but then they expect their agenda to be implemented in the near future, with no recourse whatever to democratic process.
They don;t even hold any council seats in Britain or America, which perhaps tells us something about how their agenda might go down in black or white areas of both
They have no democratic base or popular support whatsoever.
They deserve to be trivialised. They deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be scorned, and in truth they deserve to be ignored.
I'd get rid of the Monarchy on principle but I understand I'm not in tune with 99% of the country so it is something I rarely bring up.
20-25% of the country want to abolish the monarchy IIRC.
I am one of them. After this queen, who has done an excellent job. Can never agree that by birth one can be head of state, in a modern democracy.
I'm open to abolishing it once the current monarch's reign is over, especially if other countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada decide to do so.
Agreed. The issue is closed during this monarch's reign but afterwards it should be abolished.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
I fear so -
"Let the message ring out loud and clear to all corners of this green and pleasant land - my name is Dominic Raab and I kneel to no-one but the Queen."
And the wife. And dear Vera if she was still with us.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
‘Was?!!!’
As you might accompany on your splendid organ:
Was in the beginning Is now And evermore shall be World without end, Amen.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
Good scheme - raise private finance but manage the money in the public sector. Oh, no - stupid. I think it's very hard to underestimate how daft, and how costly. this idea was.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
I think he was, and that he wasn't seeking to offend anybody either. But saying something that is so obviously going to be widely misinterpreted isn't good in a Foreign Secretary or other leader, and as for the cultural reference he reached for - sheesh!! Viewers of Rape Game of Rape Thrones (source) tend to see those who have read the books on which the show is based as poncy intellectuals...books that are aimed at an audience with a reading age of 11. (Source: the SMOG readability test. Count how many polysyllables - defined as words of more than two syllables! - there are in an average 30 sentences. Did you "discover" what he "predicted"? Right, that's two polysyllables. Make sure there are no more than another two in the next 29 sentences or else the text will be too tough.)
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
And on the other side, Margaret Thatcher.
I shouted a very similar punchline to that at Jim Murphy when he was telling a story comparing Blair with someone, might have been John Major, at a Matt Forde Political Party gig, and he didn't take kindly to it.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
‘Was?!!!’
Well yes - but the contracts were long so "is" works too.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
In 1997 you were led by a competent Prime Minister. In 2001, you had an end-of-the-pier Keep the Pound clown show.
At risk of sounding like a a Corbynista - he won that argument.
Hardly it was Brown and Ed Balls with their five tests. Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Especially as it would have been Blair v Thatcher.
That would have been an interesting match up.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
I think he was, and that he wasn't seeking to offend anybody either. But saying something that is so obviously going to be widely misinterpreted isn't good in a Foreign Secretary or other leader, and as for the cultural reference he reached for - sheesh!! Viewers of Rape Game of Rape Thrones (source) tend to see those who have read the books on which the show is based as poncy intellectuals...books that are aimed at an audience with a reading age of 11. (Source: the SMOG readability test. Count how many polysyllables - meaning words of more than two syllables! - there are in an average 30 sentences. Did you "discover" what he "predicted"? Right, that's two polysyllables. Make sure there are no more than another two in the next 29 sentences or else the text will be too tough.)
I had really quite thought that I might get more from the GoT novels as I aged and got wiser.
I think I have really now got on top of Dickens - just wonderful. I'm not sure I have entirely with GoT. I feel there's more there. It's not quite Patrick O'Brian stuff mind you - I will re-read him to my dieing day.
Mountbatten's name is mud in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh.
The view is his focus was on making the House of Windsor the House of Mountbatten, which is why he allowed his wife to get boffed by Nehru, rather than ensure a peaceful partition.
Why would allowing his wife to do that, have that result?
The fact that he bowled round the wicket does him no favours with a lot of people in those parts.
That it caused a certain antipathy towards Nehru which led to the messy partition.
No, I mean why would it make the HoW the HoM?
Queen's 'tears' over Duke of Edinburgh's 'brutal' behaviour
The Queen was reduced to tears by the Duke of Edinburgh’s “brutal” behaviour towards her when she refused to take his surname of Mountbatten, according to a new biography.
Sally Bedell Smith even suggests that the ten-year delay between the births of the Princess Royal and the Duke of York was the result of “Philip’s anger over the Queen’s rejection of his family name”.
Her book, Elizabeth the Queen, to be published in January, details the Duke’s deep-rooted irritation over the monarch’s decision to accept the advice of the then prime minister, Winston Churchill, by keeping the family name Windsor.
The Duke had wanted the Royal family to be known as the House of Mountbatten when the Queen came to the throne in 1952, and complained to friends that: “I am the only man in the country not allowed to give his name to his children. I’m nothing but a bloody amoeba.”
Earl Mountbatten, the Duke’s uncle and mentor, believed the “delay” in the couple having any more children after the Princess Royal was a result of the Duke’s anger over the question of the family name.
Spoke to a few red-wall-esque Northumberland Tories yesterday. They think the Government is completely clueless and shambolic. That doesn't mean they would vote for Starmer's Labour, but it certainly makes it more likely.
The Tories are going to have a hell of a job hanging on to both the red-wall voters as well as the traditional Tory shire voters.
Depends which bit of the "red wall" you mean. Bassetlaw where I live now is virtually indistinguishable from plenty of traditional rural Tory seats, only the coal mining link, and it was a very very strong link for ages, meant it continually voted Labour. It'll be Tory forever now, or damned near enough. It's probably the most vivd example of this sort of seat with places such as Blackpool South right at the other end of the scale (Slightly Deprived, urban northern town) far easier for Labour to take back.
Why will Bassetlaw remain Tory simply because it shifted massively to them in 2019? If it can swing so quickly , it can swing again!
You sound like plenty of Tories between June 1997 and early 2001.
Those were dark days.
Even darker after 2001.
I thought we’d never win again.
Aye, you could understand a Labour majority of 179 in 1997, a Labour majority of 167 in 2001 was just mystifying to me.
A near 2% swing to the Conservatives produced almost no change in seats.
The change in incumbancy in marginals had a big effect.
Dame Vera Lynn was born in East Ham but the road named after her is in Forest Gate which is E7 (East Ham is E6). She lived in Thackeray Road as a child and in Ladysmith Avenue from 1921 to 1938.
Those roads form part of the Central Park Estate and as a clue to when they were constructed between the two roads there is a Mafeking Avenue and a Kimberley Avenue.
On the "taking the knee" business, I wonder if Raab and others are confusing this with the act of paying homage which dates back to feudal times and was your recognition of servitude to your liege lord (in all honesty, your owner).
The act of homage involved kneeling with BOTH knees on the ground and offering your joined hands to your lord who would take them as a gesture marking your subjugation. It was never about full prostration or kneeling with one knee.
Apart from the logistical issue of whether I could get up again would I take the knee? Yes, I probably would. A recognition of past inhumanity and mistakes made, perhaps, a commitment to making things better in the present and future certainly.
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
Raab probably did trivialise BLM, but then they expect their agenda to be implemented in the near future, with no recourse whatever to democratic process.
They don;t even hold any council seats in Britain or America, which perhaps tells us something about how their agenda might go down in black or white areas of both
They have no democratic base or popular support whatsoever.
They deserve to be trivialised. They deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be scorned, and in truth they deserve to be ignored.
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
The private sector getting revenge for taxation.
The question is why does government continually get done over.
Assuming no corruption is involved I would say its the usual case of government thinking itself clever than it is.
Mountbatten and his colleagues on the spot deserve the blame, not the Government in London. But he was very good at dodging responsibility. One of those repeated public sector failures who are promoted again and again that Cyclefree highlighted the other day.
We should have used air power to pacify the bands of murderous men and deployed a hugely enlarged army before Partition. It would not have stopped bloodshed completely, but it probably would have saved most of the million lives. But we didn't, and a million or more died.
No, Attlee was to blame. The buck stopped with him.
Your second paragraph is quite right, though. The Labour government wasn't in the least bit interested in the practicalities of the timetable or the reality on the ground, they just wanted to be rid of India in a tearing hurry for ideological reasons (and to suck up to the US, ironically).
On the contrary Attlee was very interested in Indian self determination, from his early visit there as part of a commission on the subject.
By 1947 Indian independence was unstoppable, and gathering momentum. The only question was how quickly and gracefully we left. Stopping the intercommunal violence by the military was not viable, and as most regiments were sectarian, a significant risk of losing all discipline and joining in.
In other words, Attlee was a Labour prime minister, so by definition must have been entirely blameless for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused directly by his government's handling of independence.
That's the truth, isn't it? Had it been Boris Johnson as PM in charge of a mess directly causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and countless numbers of displaced families, I rather think your verdict would have been spectacularly different.
[I don't deny that he was interested in Indian self-determination. Of course he was - that was the ideological bit I referred to. It was the realities he didn't seem very interested in.]
Raab probably did trivialise BLM, but then they expect their agenda to be implemented in the near future, with no recourse whatever to democratic process.
They don;t even hold any council seats in Britain or America, which perhaps tells us something about how their agenda might go down in black or white areas of both
They have no democratic base or popular support whatsoever.
They deserve to be trivialised. They deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be scorned, and in truth they deserve to be ignored.
A near 2% swing to the Conservatives produced almost no change in seats.
The change in incumbancy in marginals had a big effect.
Its possible that might happen again in 2024.
In some seats, the Conservatives did worse in 2001 than in 1997. A few gains from Labour (Romford and Upminster to name two) were offset by losses to the Liberal Democrats such as Dorset North, Guildford and Teignbridge.
Turnout was well down at 59% so you might have expected the more reliable Conservative vote (especially among the elderly) to have done more but the Conservatives lost 1.3 million votes on 1997.
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
Indeed. It isn't helpful and choosing not to do it shouldn't be a sign of implicit racism.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
Mountbatten and his colleagues on the spot deserve the blame, not the Government in London. But he was very good at dodging responsibility. One of those repeated public sector failures who are promoted again and again that Cyclefree highlighted the other day.
We should have used air power to pacify the bands of murderous men and deployed a hugely enlarged army before Partition. It would not have stopped bloodshed completely, but it probably would have saved most of the million lives. But we didn't, and a million or more died.
No, Attlee was to blame. The buck stopped with him.
Your second paragraph is quite right, though. The Labour government wasn't in the least bit interested in the practicalities of the timetable or the reality on the ground, they just wanted to be rid of India in a tearing hurry for ideological reasons (and to suck up to the US, ironically).
On the contrary Attlee was very interested in Indian self determination, from his early visit there as part of a commission on the subject.
By 1947 Indian independence was unstoppable, and gathering momentum. The only question was how quickly and gracefully we left. Stopping the intercommunal violence by the military was not viable, and as most regiments were sectarian, a significant risk of losing all discipline and joining in.
That's the truth, isn't it? Had it been Boris Johnson in charge of a mess directly causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and countless numbers of displaced families, I rather think your verdict would have been spectacularly different.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
A near 2% swing to the Conservatives produced almost no change in seats.
The change in incumbancy in marginals had a big effect.
Its possible that might happen again in 2024.
In some seats, the Conservatives did worse in 2001 than in 1997. A few gains from Labour (Romford and Upminster to name two) were offset by losses to the Liberal Democrats such as Dorset North, Guildford and Teignbridge.
Turnout was well down at 59% so you might have expected the more reliable Conservative vote (especially among the elderly) to have done more but the Conservatives lost 1.3 million votes on 1997.
Which was something which surprised me at the time - I assumed that anyone who voted Conservative in 1997 would do so again and that the Conservatives would also pick up most of the Referendum party vote of 1997.
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
Indeed. It isn't helpful and choosing not to do it shouldn't be a sign of implicit racism.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
The private sector getting revenge for taxation.
The question is why does government continually get done over.
Assuming no corruption is involved I would say its the usual case of government thinking itself clever than it is.
Government appears to be terribly under-skilled when it comes to both negotiating and managing these contracts.
A cynic might say that they don’t really care what the project actually ends up costing, but only how much they can get the cost off today’s books in into a future govment’s nightmares.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
Indeed. It isn't helpful and choosing not to do it shouldn't be a sign of implicit racism.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
Was the GoT remark meant to deadcat this? So hard to tell with this government.
Can someone explain to me how Dominic Raab thinking that the kneeling is like something from Game of Thrones is so incendiary? I don't watch Game of Thrones - decided it wasn't worth watching in series one when the princess woman laid a dragon.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
Indeed. It isn't helpful and choosing not to do it shouldn't be a sign of implicit racism.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
Was the GoT remark meant to deadcat this? So hard to tell with this government.
Can someone explain to me how Dominic Raab thinking that the kneeling is like something from Game of Thrones is so incendiary? I don't watch Game of Thrones - decided it wasn't worth watching in series one when the princess woman laid a dragon.
If 2020 was a TV show it would be the eighth season of Game of Thrones.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
Its really made me think awfully of Raab. He should be sacked, not for his choice but for his complete ignorance of what is going on.
I'm with conspiracy over cock-up on this one. The Game of Thrones reference was deliberately calculated to ensure maximum exposure in a short period of time, as it's media catnip.
Then he can rapidly walk back on twitter to kill it as a live issue, but the people he wanted to hear the original message will all have heard - Raab will stand up to the darkies.
It's not ignorance, it's calculated positioning in the context of the next contest for the leadership of the Conservative Party.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
Re the Raab/Game of Thrones comment, the initial gesture was in fact to sit.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
Many black Americans also see it as indicating subservience in the context of white police officers and officials and believe it hinders rather than advances their cause.
Indeed. It isn't helpful and choosing not to do it shouldn't be a sign of implicit racism.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
Was the GoT remark meant to deadcat this? So hard to tell with this government.
Can someone explain to me how Dominic Raab thinking that the kneeling is like something from Game of Thrones is so incendiary? I don't watch Game of Thrones - decided it wasn't worth watching in series one when the princess woman laid a dragon.
Because it proves that for all his platitudes Raab hasn't actually listened to what people have been protesting about. It is at best showing a lack of respect and at worst an attempt to dogwhistle to racists.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
I cannot believe the Raab Game of Thrones blooper was not,deliberate. It is aimed at the membership vote in a who succeeds Boris election. I am worried that it took me so long to work that out.
Or he could have just been saying what he thinks.
Physically somehow prostrating yourself is a very strange thing if you're trying to express your thoughts.
However if you (or anyone else) wishes to express respect in that way then, weird though it is, it'd be hard to disapprove.
There's a bit of a weird echo of subservience in this too.
Entirely as weird would be for me to raise my hat to you. I'd prefer that though.
No, two completely separate things. In refusing to grovel he was absolutely right. It's the GoT remark which was the blooper.
Agreed 100%
In how you respond to a protest and what gestures you make I 100% agree should be a personal choice.
To not even bother to educate yourself on one of the most basic news stories going on at the minute then to betray that ignorance with a pop culture reference - that is pathetic.
Its really made me think awfully of Raab. He should be sacked, not for his choice but for his complete ignorance of what is going on.
Well quite. Let's consider the news agenda as it's played out today.
1. President Macron visits London. World War II. Heroic memories. Friends with European Nations. 2. Vera Lynn dies. Sad, but again echoes a braver and more united time. 3. The government admits that their Covid app needs rethinking. Good from a "stopping digging when in a hole" point of view, and a polishable turd, just about. And maybe the plan was to sneak this out under cover of 1. 4. The Foreign Secretary admits his ignorance of USA Current Affairs by linking them to a show where ladies don't wear many clothes.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
So now they’re suspending someone, for the crime of having had a black cat 60 or 70 years ago?
I read elsewhere the issue is that he used the unabridged N word, rather than saying 'the N word' when admitting the cat's name.
Fair enough, so wouldn't a warning and a gentle rap across the knuckles (bearing in mind the context in which he meant it) have been the right response?
I'd get rid of the Monarchy on principle but I understand I'm not in tune with 99% of the country so it is something I rarely bring up.
20-25% of the country want to abolish the monarchy IIRC.
I am one of them. After this queen, who has done an excellent job. Can never agree that by birth one can be head of state, in a modern democracy.
I'm open to abolishing it once the current monarch's reign is over, especially if other countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada decide to do so.
I most certainly am not, I think Charles will do better thsn expected and is concerned about a wide range of issues and has done a lot of good with the Prince's Trust and William will make a great King
A number of journalists struggling to comprehend the fact they've been working on Google/Apple API all along 😂
2 irons in the fire makes sense BUT -
We seem to have gone from the Great Man's "world beating app by end of May" to our current "hopefully something working by the winter" in quite short order.
It's bitterly disappointing.
Paper and pencil. We do not really need a world class app to tell us Mr Smith who has a bit of a temperature came within coughing distance of Ms Jones, when pencil and paper tracing based on just a few questions will find the cluster at the Welsh chicken plant. If the app is ever ready, it risks drowning us in low-level data because as lockdown lifts, many people will pass close by hundreds of others every day.
Pencil and paper for the big wins. Where did you go? How did you get there?
I agree. The app is a bauble.
Making it even harder to understand the focus on it and the high profile promise by the PM.
Just the usual "Boris" bluster, I suppose.
Governments have an obsession of being in touch with 'the white heat of technology'.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
Yes the government is forever being ripped off by the private sector.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
The private sector getting revenge for taxation.
The question is why does government continually get done over.
Assuming no corruption is involved I would say its the usual case of government thinking itself clever than it is.
Some of that no doubt. But PFI was driven by off balance sheet financing. Get it off the books and don't worry too much about the fine print. That is perfect for the counterparty.
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
"Lib Dem councillor is suspended after he told how he had a black cat called n****r in the 1950s during council meeting on BLM protests
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
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I'm reaching the sad stage where I don't even have to look at names.
That is, he fought against his own people and was put to death.
I once interrupted a burglar in my own home. I'd been asleep in bed and was wearing nothing but my boxers while the burglar was carrying a large screwdriver that he'd broken in with (he'd plied open a kitchen window with a crash that had woken me up). Instinct took over and he ran away and I instinctively ran after him without even thinking. Who knows what would have happened had I caught up with him! Though managed to catch the reg plate he drove away in at least which helped lead to him being arrested and sentenced . . . to a suspended sentence and community service FFS.
In how you respond to a protest and what gestures you make I 100% agree should be a personal choice.
To not even bother to educate yourself on one of the most basic news stories going on at the minute then to betray that ignorance with a pop culture reference - that is pathetic.
Its really made me think awfully of Raab. He should be sacked, not for his choice but for his complete ignorance of what is going on.
Or perhaps, he was left exposed.
After this queen, who has done an excellent job.
Can never agree that by birth one can be head of state, in a modern democracy.
Colin Kaepernick remained seated during the anthem during a preseason NFL game. After some outrage that this was supposedly an insult to veterans, and with the support of Green Beret (special ops in the US military) Nate Boyer, he switched to kneeling, and others followed his lead. It was clearly a more respectful gesture that still made the point. The change entirely failed to stop the hate directed at him.
It makes me laugh, albeit hollowly, that the gesture is now being criticised as subservient. But I guess the purpose of the comment was to try to provoke outrage from the left, because, as was mentioned in the podcast, the Tories know that they benefit from this sort of stuff.
1. President Macron visits London. World War II. Heroic memories. Friends with European Nations.
2. Vera Lynn dies. Sad, but again echoes a braver and more united time.
3. The government admits that their Covid app needs rethinking. Good from a "stopping digging when in a hole" point of view, and a polishable turd, just about. And maybe the plan was to sneak this out under cover of 1.
4. The Foreign Secretary admits his ignorance of USA Current Affairs by linking them to a show where ladies don't wear many clothes.
This really isn't four dimensional chess, is it?
I had a similar experience of tearing my feet to shreds on pavement when chasing a potential burglar in my underpants down a London street. I've also shivered in my bed in fear over the same event. I think I would have happily killed him if I had caught him though, so perhaps he should be the one shivering.
If called upon (in any way) I think I would fight, but I'm far from sure.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1273573392571158529?s=20
Without that Blair might have won a referendum at his height of popularity.
Also OT, with all this Covid-19 talk, I'm now seeing adverts on PB for courses at St George's medical school in sunny Tooting.
Which makes them easy prey for big talking chancers with a flashy idea.
"Let the message ring out loud and clear to all corners of this green and pleasant land - my name is Dominic Raab and I kneel to no-one but the Queen."
implemented in the near future, with no recourse whatever to democratic process.
They don;t even hold any council seats in Britain or America, which perhaps tells us something about how their agenda might go down in black or white areas of both
They have no democratic base or popular support whatsoever.
They deserve to be trivialised. They deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be scorned, and in truth they deserve to be ignored.
PFI was a gravy train for example.
And dear Vera if she was still with us.
Or - as we now think - the dog whistle.
Was in the beginning
Is now
And evermore shall be
World without end, Amen.
The hard right warmonger who won three elections and was toppled by a Chancellor whom everyone mocked.
And on the other side, Margaret Thatcher.
Subject to confirmation from Drakeford tomorrow
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53090891
It's on this show somewhere
https://soundcloud.com/thepoliticalparty/show-26-jim-murphy
I think I have really now got on top of Dickens - just wonderful. I'm not sure I have entirely with GoT. I feel there's more there. It's not quite Patrick O'Brian stuff mind you - I will re-read him to my dieing day.
Aghhh!! I can't stand it. The hope. Keep the hope away from me.
The change in incumbancy in marginals had a big effect.
Its possible that might happen again in 2024.
Dame Vera Lynn was born in East Ham but the road named after her is in Forest Gate which is E7 (East Ham is E6). She lived in Thackeray Road as a child and in Ladysmith Avenue from 1921 to 1938.
Those roads form part of the Central Park Estate and as a clue to when they were constructed between the two roads there is a Mafeking Avenue and a Kimberley Avenue.
On the "taking the knee" business, I wonder if Raab and others are confusing this with the act of paying homage which dates back to feudal times and was your recognition of servitude to your liege lord (in all honesty, your owner).
The act of homage involved kneeling with BOTH knees on the ground and offering your joined hands to your lord who would take them as a gesture marking your subjugation. It was never about full prostration or kneeling with one knee.
Apart from the logistical issue of whether I could get up again would I take the knee? Yes, I probably would. A recognition of past inhumanity and mistakes made, perhaps, a commitment to making things better in the present and future certainly.
Dennis Parsons was suspended from the Liberal Democrats for using a racial slur
He told a story about his childhood cat called n***** in a BLM council meeting
Local party members voted to suspend his group membership on Wednesday"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436859/Lib-Dem-councillor-suspended-told-black-cat-called-n-r-1950s.html
The question is why does government continually get done over.
Assuming no corruption is involved I would say its the usual case of government thinking itself clever than it is.
That's the truth, isn't it? Had it been Boris Johnson as PM in charge of a mess directly causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and countless numbers of displaced families, I rather think your verdict would have been spectacularly different.
[I don't deny that he was interested in Indian self-determination. Of course he was - that was the ideological bit I referred to. It was the realities he didn't seem very interested in.]
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1273602445025869825?s=20
Turnout was well down at 59% so you might have expected the more reliable Conservative vote (especially among the elderly) to have done more but the Conservatives lost 1.3 million votes on 1997.
I wouldn't. But I would be happy to walk arm in arm with protestors.
A cynic might say that they don’t really care what the project actually ends up costing, but only how much they can get the cost off today’s books in into a future govment’s nightmares.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/04/man-cleared-racial-abuse-endearment
Then he can rapidly walk back on twitter to kill it as a live issue, but the people he wanted to hear the original message will all have heard - Raab will stand up to the darkies.
It's not ignorance, it's calculated positioning in the context of the next contest for the leadership of the Conservative Party.
If you admit to once having done something racist and how you learned and moved on from it that's as good as admitting you're still racist today.
It's a remarkably unforgiving and unchristian attitude.
The superstitious don’t have a monopoly on forgiveness and decency.
I don't have all the details of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
He used the word four times, in this climate. That's incredible and naive.
Who says "n****r" uncensored four times out loud in full, in 2020? Who doesn't say "the n-word" or something like that?