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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited June 2020
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    To be fair, you did gain Carshalton & Wallington from the LDs but lost Richmond Park so the 2019 seat numbers for London were unchanged from 2017 - Labour 49, Conservative 21, Liberal Democrats 3.
    Looking at seat changes from the LDs as well but the Tories did make 1 net gain in London from Labour since 2017 by regaining Kensington by 150 votes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    CatMan said:
    Trump does not look likely to increase his electoral college count on those numbers.
    Let's see how Biden survives a campaign....
    Doesn't need to. A corpse is more electable than Trump in 2020.

    Maybe affect the margin slightly.

    Florida?
    https://twitter.com/leslsenior/status/1272246698333442048
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    I'm back! Hahahahaha!

    HaHA!

    You left? Why did you leave?!
    I was BANNED. Yes, I know. For Speaking Truth to Power. Tho I am sorry if I offended anyone

    :)
    I find that hard to believe. The only thing you ever did was tease that pompous fool IanB2, who thoroughly deserves it, otherwise I found your comments extremely acute, witty and prescient, almost up to my standard, TBH
    Thanks. You don't realise how much that means to me. I've always been a huge fan of yours, but I tried to keep it quiet. Mysticrose and I have a secret fanclub dedicated to your brilliant books and renowned sexual power.
    I’ve never seen a man suck his own cock before.
    You've never been on pornhub ?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I didn't expect my predictions of hits on middle class benefits to be borne out that quickly. It was only about lunch time today.
    Which is why all those people betting on Sunak to be next Tory leader were very premature.

    The Chancellor will not be popular once the pain of the Great(est) Depression kicks in.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,354
    Ave_it said:

    ydoethur said:

    When I said I was waiting to see SeanT get to 30,000 identities, I didn’t mean all together on the same thread.

    Maybe we'll see byronic and fitz later?
    Was Fitz the one who claimed to have been lurking for thirty years on a site that has only been going fifteen?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    I'm back! Hahahahaha!

    HaHA!

    You left? Why did you leave?!
    I was BANNED. Yes, I know. For Speaking Truth to Power. Tho I am sorry if I offended anyone

    :)
    I find that hard to believe. The only thing you ever did was tease that pompous fool IanB2, who thoroughly deserves it, otherwise I found your comments extremely acute, witty and prescient, almost up to my standard, TBH
    Thanks. You don't realise how much that means to me. I've always been a huge fan of yours, but I tried to keep it quiet. Mysticrose and I have a secret fanclub dedicated to your brilliant books and renowned sexual power.
    I’ve never seen a man suck his own cock before.
    You've never been on pornhub ?
    No.

    That does however raise a number of highly disturbing questions about what you have seen on there...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Ave_it said:

    ydoethur said:

    When I said I was waiting to see SeanT get to 30,000 identities, I didn’t mean all together on the same thread.

    Maybe we'll see byronic and fitz later?
    Was Fitz the one who claimed to have been lurking for thirty years on a site that has only been going fifteen?
    That’s the one. I said his story didn’t add up and he went into Fitz.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    ydoethur said:

    When I said I was waiting to see SeanT get to 30,000 identities, I didn’t mean all together on the same thread.

    Maybe we'll see byronic and fitz later?
    Was Fitz the one who claimed to have been lurking for thirty years on a site that has only been going fifteen?
    Correct. He/she/it appeared yesterday 10 mins after eadric was shown a red card. Then 40 mins later went up the tunnel itself.

    There is no suggestion that eadric and fitz are linked with each other or any other poster 😊
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    I'm back! Hahahahaha!

    HaHA!

    You left? Why did you leave?!
    I was BANNED. Yes, I know. For Speaking Truth to Power. Tho I am sorry if I offended anyone

    :)
    I find that hard to believe. The only thing you ever did was tease that pompous fool IanB2, who thoroughly deserves it, otherwise I found your comments extremely acute, witty and prescient, almost up to my standard, TBH
    Thanks. You don't realise how much that means to me. I've always been a huge fan of yours, but I tried to keep it quiet. Mysticrose and I have a secret fanclub dedicated to your brilliant books and renowned sexual power.
    I’ve never seen a man suck his own cock before.
    You've never been on pornhub ?
    No.

    That does however raise a number of highly disturbing questions about what you have seen on there...
    Disney teaches you to hate your stepmom, whereas Pornhub has a completely different approach.

    So I am told.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    I'm back! Hahahahaha!

    HaHA!

    You left? Why did you leave?!
    I was BANNED. Yes, I know. For Speaking Truth to Power. Tho I am sorry if I offended anyone

    :)
    I find that hard to believe. The only thing you ever did was tease that pompous fool IanB2, who thoroughly deserves it, otherwise I found your comments extremely acute, witty and prescient, almost up to my standard, TBH
    Thanks. You don't realise how much that means to me. I've always been a huge fan of yours, but I tried to keep it quiet. Mysticrose and I have a secret fanclub dedicated to your brilliant books and renowned sexual power.
    I’ve never seen a man suck his own cock before.
    You've never been on pornhub ?
    No.

    That does however raise a number of highly disturbing questions about what you have seen on there...
    ;) I think that sort of thing is available... so I am told. just knowing the site exists is not in anyway an indication of looking at it. I am sure someone can tell you more.....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    Ave_it said:

    ydoethur said:

    When I said I was waiting to see SeanT get to 30,000 identities, I didn’t mean all together on the same thread.

    Maybe we'll see byronic and fitz later?
    Was Fitz the one who claimed to have been lurking for thirty years on a site that has only been going fifteen?
    I missed that incarnation.

    Presumably Irish rather than Cornish?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited June 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:
    More Airhead One than Airforce One by the sound of it.
    The actual reality is that an RAF Voyager tanker plane will get a paint job.

    As opposed to Blair Force One - remember that proposal?
    What happens when NI reunites with the rest of Ireland?
    It won't

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-nireland-poll/poll-shows-northern-ireland-majority-against-united-ireland-idUSKBN20C0WI
    Unionist Westminster MPs, absolute number and percentage of NI MPs:

    2019: 8/18 = 44%
    2017: 10/18 = 56%
    2015: 11/18 = 61%
    2010: 9/18 = 50%
    2005: 10/18 = 56%
    2001: 11/18 =61%
    1997: 13/18 = 72%
    1992: 13/17 = 77%
    1987: 13/17 = 77%
    1983: 15/17 = 88%
    1979: 9/12 = 75%
    1974 Oct: 10/12 = 83%
    1974 Feb: 11/12 = 92%

    Unionist vote in NI in 2019 43%

    Nationalist vote in NI in 2019 38%

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results/northern_ireland

    Unionist vote in NI in 2010 44%

    Nationalist vote in NI in 2010 43%

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm
    Unionist vote 1979: 54%
    Unionist vote 1987: 55%
    Unionist vote 1997: 51%
    Unionist vote 2010: 50%
    Unionist vote 2019: 43%
    Wrong, Unionist vote was only 44% in 2010.

    The Nationalist vote has actually fallen since 2010, all the movement has been to the non sectarian Alliance which got 16% in 2019
    No, it was 50% in 2010:

    DUP 25%
    UCUNF (UUP/Tory) 15%
    TUV 4%
    Rodney Connor 3%
    Sylvia Hermon 3%

    Rodney Connor was backed by the Unionist parties in FST
    Lady Hermon was the Ind Unionist in North Down
    Rodney Connor was not an official Unionist candidate and Lady Hermon was opposed by the DUP and most of her voters now vote Alliance
    Connor was the only Unionist candidate in FST!
    Hermon was no way a Nationalist!

    Total Unionist vote in 2010 was 50%.

    As I pointed out the Nationalist vote is just 38%, most of the gains since 2010 have gone to the Alliance Party from both Unionists and Nationalists.

    Indeed the Alliance Party now hold North Down and most of their vote there is soft Unionist ie Hermon's old voters
    As I pointed out, the Unionist vote just ten years ago was 50%, now it is only 43%. In 2010 they had half the NI Westminster seats, now they have less than half.
    As I pointed out since 2010 the Lady Hermon vote has gone to the Alliance Party in North Down.

    So including the Alliance seat in North Down as Unionist which it is basically or at least soft Unionist then the Unionists still have 9 seats in Northern Ireland ie the same as 2010
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    I see Courtney Lawes went off message today:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8427783/England-rugby-star-
    Courtney-Lawes-slammed-tweet-Marcus-Rashford.html

    I stand with Courtney.
    Mind you, we all have different ideas of “financially secure”.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Scott_xP said:
    what was that about Sunak being really popular again?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    I hope our piped fan noises are more varied than the Bundesliga. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t hear Arsenal fans chanting “we pay your benefits” tomorrow night.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    To be fair, you did gain Carshalton & Wallington from the LDs but lost Richmond Park so the 2019 seat numbers for London were unchanged from 2017 - Labour 49, Conservative 21, Liberal Democrats 3.
    Looking at seat changes from the LDs as well but the Tories did make 1 net gain in London from Labour since 2017 by regaining Kensington by 150 votes
    Putney?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    kyf_100 said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I didn't expect my predictions of hits on middle class benefits to be borne out that quickly. It was only about lunch time today.
    Which is why all those people betting on Sunak to be next Tory leader were very premature.

    The Chancellor will not be popular once the pain of the Great(est) Depression kicks in.
    He might be seen as a leader though. After all, as Boris will recall, a previous PM promised: "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat," and that went down surprisingly well. Different times perhaps.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2020
    tlg86 said:
    Not just a cowardly cheapshot merchant on the pitch then
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    Of course Kensington was a gift delivered by the LibDems and their misleading advice to tactical voters.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    I learnt yesterday that the chap who sits next to me in the office and his wife have both had C19. Both OK now.

    He's also been advised that he's on the list for possible redundancy, so not having a great time of it.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    Scott_xP said:
    That would be well overdue and another welcome u-turn!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited June 2020
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    To be fair, you did gain Carshalton & Wallington from the LDs but lost Richmond Park so the 2019 seat numbers for London were unchanged from 2017 - Labour 49, Conservative 21, Liberal Democrats 3.
    Looking at seat changes from the LDs as well but the Tories did make 1 net gain in London from Labour since 2017 by regaining Kensington by 150 votes
    Putney?
    Oh yes forgot Labour gained Putney, the only Labour gain in the UK in 2019, so you are correct London saw no net change
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Hang on, didn't you recently post that social media is fully of lefties and can thus be ignored?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    And Marcus Rashford has 2.8m.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Well it got Jon Cruddas re elected in Dagenham last year by just 293 votes

    On what was generally an excellent night for the Conservatives, was that one of the few that got away?

    Yes I thought Dagenham would narrowly go Tory as the only Tory gain in London but instead Kensington was the only seat in the capital the Tories gained and Dagenham stayed Labour
    To be fair, you did gain Carshalton & Wallington from the LDs but lost Richmond Park so the 2019 seat numbers for London were unchanged from 2017 - Labour 49, Conservative 21, Liberal Democrats 3.
    Looking at seat changes from the LDs as well but the Tories did make 1 net gain in London from Labour since 2017 by regaining Kensington by 150 votes
    Putney?
    Oh yes forgot Labour gained Putney, the only Labour gain in the UK in 2019, so you are correct London saw no net change
    HY admits to an error!

    Open the champagne!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Marcus Rashford has 2.8 million.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898

    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??

    Well, presumably, all those on furlough will see a 20% "increase" as their employer takes back that portion of their salary.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    I have just been watching the most extraordinary and spectacular storm.

    Literally continuous thunder and lightning in rapid succession.

    The rain was so heavy I couldn’t see the incinerator at Chase Hospital which cannot be more than 500 metres away.

    And it’s still going on!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Scott_xP said:
    That would be well overdue and another welcome u-turn!
    Sunak is apparently popular right now - he needs to take measures like this while he still can.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    That is what this government spends most of its time doing.

    The one thing they dread more than anything is a revitalised brexit party tearing around their luvly new working class seats screaming betrayal.

    On Europe, on statues, on culture, on immigration.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:
    More Airhead One than Airforce One by the sound of it.
    The actual reality is that an RAF Voyager tanker plane will get a paint job.

    As opposed to Blair Force One - remember that proposal?
    What happens when NI reunites with the rest of Ireland?
    It won't

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-nireland-poll/poll-shows-northern-ireland-majority-against-united-ireland-idUSKBN20C0WI
    Unionist Westminster MPs, absolute number and percentage of NI MPs:

    2019: 8/18 = 44%
    2017: 10/18 = 56%
    2015: 11/18 = 61%
    2010: 9/18 = 50%
    2005: 10/18 = 56%
    2001: 11/18 =61%
    1997: 13/18 = 72%
    1992: 13/17 = 77%
    1987: 13/17 = 77%
    1983: 15/17 = 88%
    1979: 9/12 = 75%
    1974 Oct: 10/12 = 83%
    1974 Feb: 11/12 = 92%

    Unionist vote in NI in 2019 43%

    Nationalist vote in NI in 2019 38%

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results/northern_ireland

    Unionist vote in NI in 2010 44%

    Nationalist vote in NI in 2010 43%

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm
    Unionist vote 1979: 54%
    Unionist vote 1987: 55%
    Unionist vote 1997: 51%
    Unionist vote 2010: 50%
    Unionist vote 2019: 43%
    Wrong, Unionist vote was only 44% in 2010.

    The Nationalist vote has actually fallen since 2010, all the movement has been to the non sectarian Alliance which got 16% in 2019
    No, it was 50% in 2010:

    DUP 25%
    UCUNF (UUP/Tory) 15%
    TUV 4%
    Rodney Connor 3%
    Sylvia Hermon 3%

    Rodney Connor was backed by the Unionist parties in FST
    Lady Hermon was the Ind Unionist in North Down
    Rodney Connor was not an official Unionist candidate and Lady Hermon was opposed by the DUP and most of her voters now vote Alliance
    Connor was the only Unionist candidate in FST!
    Hermon was no way a Nationalist!

    Total Unionist vote in 2010 was 50%.

    As I pointed out the Nationalist vote is just 38%, most of the gains since 2010 have gone to the Alliance Party from both Unionists and Nationalists.

    Indeed the Alliance Party now hold North Down and most of their vote there is soft Unionist ie Hermon's old voters
    As I pointed out, the Unionist vote just ten years ago was 50%, now it is only 43%. In 2010 they had half the NI Westminster seats, now they have less than half.
    It is a constant in NI that while the Unionist vote polls solidly for remaining in the UK, a substantial chunk of the Nationalist/Republican vote polls for remain as well.

    Even during the time of the Armalite&Ballot Box strategy, a substantial chunk of Shinner votes stated their intention to vote against a United Ireland.

    There has been little proper analysis of why this is. Anecdote suggests that the substantial difference in benefits plays a part. As does the issue of abortion.
    Stockholm syndrome?
    I assume it is because, although they don't want to leave the UK, they also can't bring themselves to vote for any of the idiots who represent loyalist parties.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    stodge said:

    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??

    Well, presumably, all those on furlough will see a 20% "increase" as their employer takes back that portion of their salary.
    Likewise those not on furlough who've had a 20% pay cut. Perhaps.

    And to be pedantic(!) It will be a 25% increase.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    edited June 2020
    So I need to call a meeting of the Oxford Comma Society for an adjudication.

    The Foreign, Commonwealth, and Development Office?

    Am I right?

    A new government department will be created to run all foreign policy and control billions of pounds of international aid, the prime minister has announced.

    The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office!!! is set to be up and running in September.


    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-to-merge-foreign-office-and-international-development-offices-into-new-department-12007870
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Marcus Rashford has 2.8 million.
    Harry Styles has.... 33 million. Feck.
    Sounds like I might be a bit late in asking who is Harry Styles.....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,434

    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??

    It's a technical thing. Due to furlough this year lots of people will have had their pay cut by 20% - so next year they will soar by 25% once furlough is over (for those that still have a job, of course).

    So the suspension of the triple lock is necessary to avoid uprating pensions by 7% or so, which otherwise would be wholly an arefact of the furlough scheme's effect on average pay statistics.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Marcus Rashford has 2.8 million.
    Harry Styles has.... 33 million. Feck.
    Sounds like I might be a bit late in asking who is Harry Styles.....
    Member of One Direction, a Simon Cowell manufactured boy band.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    That is what this government spends most of its time doing.

    The one thing they dread more than anything is a revitalised brexit party tearing around their luvly new working class seats screaming betrayal.

    On Europe, on statues, on culture, on immigration.
    I guess next time, all Farage has to do differently is stand against them in every seat
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Marcus Rashford has 2.8 million.
    Harry Styles has.... 33 million. Feck.
    Sounds like I might be a bit late in asking who is Harry Styles.....
    You're not. I have never knowingly heard a One Direction song. I'm sure I have heard them - in bars, as muzak, etc - but not consciously. I could not name one or hum one. I am old.
    Liam Payne, Zayn Malik, Louis Tomlinson, and Niall Horan are the other members.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    kle4 said:


    That would be well overdue and another welcome u-turn!

    Sunak is apparently popular right now - he needs to take measures like this while he still can.
    Interesting to see this on the one hand - it's "courageous" given the proportion of pensioners who vote Conservative but it's a recognition of the depth of the problem confronting the public finances.

    Some would argue for a policy of "keep borrowing" while others would argue for tax rises and spending cuts but I suspect Sunak is trying to avoid anything like that.

    The concession to Marcus Rashford illustrates how this Government, while it may call itself Conservative, is actually Liberal Unionist in nature as of course was Churchill.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??

    It's a technical thing. Due to furlough this year lots of people will have had their pay cut by 20% - so next year they will soar by 25% once furlough is over (for those that still have a job, of course).

    So the suspension of the triple lock is necessary to avoid uprating pensions by 7% or so, which otherwise would be wholly an arefact of the furlough scheme's effect on average pay statistics.
    They could get round the technical problem by committing to honour at least the wage increase over say the two years taken together, assuming things return to normal. But it would be a very handy opportunity to suspend and then find a way of later amending or dropping the policy altogether.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    It has been widely reported that the virus that hit Europe and then the Americas is a mutated more contagious form of the original virus that hit China and then Asia.

    The best assumption must be that the mutated contagious form has now found its way back to China?

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Should we be concerned at two worrying events in Asia (three if you count the mutated version of Covid-19 if true)?

    First, escalating tension on the Korean peninsula. Kim-Jong-Un's sister seems to be the new power in the land and is taking a much harsher line including blowing up the inter-Korean liaison building in Kaesong. As always, there's very little clue as to the extent of covid-19 infections and deaths in North Korea.

    Second, a shooting incident between Chinese and Indian forces on their disputed border. Those with long memories or Wikipedia will recall the 1962 conflict between the countries but neither is the country it was then. Both seem more self-confident and it may be a bit of sabre-rattling is part of that but hopefully this will be all as a major conflict in that part of the world would have global consequences.

    Who would have thought global relations being managed by a series of trade wars, nationalism and lack of respect for multi national bodies or international norms might lead to wars?
    Has any one seem much of Kim Jung Un since his illness?
    I thought I saw him in Tescos last Saturday, but he was on the opposite side of the Fruit & Veg area which is quite big, so my eyes may have deceived me.
    Cheese counter I might have believed.
    He looks more of a cream cake sort of dictator.
    https://www.eater.com/2014/9/30/6872501/kim-jong-un-cheese-gout-north-korea
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,563
    Not sure if it has already been mentioned but Mohammed Asghar, the first ethnic minority member of the Welsh Senedd has died

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-senedd-member-dies-after-medical-emergency/ar-BB15zvDl?ocid=msedgntp
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    stodge said:

    ''Pay forecast to soar...''

    With millions unemployed??

    Well, presumably, all those on furlough will see a 20% "increase" as their employer takes back that portion of their salary.
    Wage rates are unlikely to have increased compared with what they were in the opening months of the year. From memory benefit rates are adjusted in April on the basis of the CPI the previous Autumn - perhaps October. The State Pension increase is also related to the behaviour of average earnings, but this is also presumably an annual percentage calculation. Why would average earnings in Autumn 2020 be much higher than in Autumn 2019?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    Marcus Rashford has 2.8 million.
    Harry Styles has.... 33 million. Feck.
    Sounds like I might be a bit late in asking who is Harry Styles.....
    You're not. I have never knowingly heard a One Direction song. I'm sure I have heard them - in bars, as muzak, etc - but not consciously. I could not name one or hum one. I am old.
    Liam Payne, Zayn Malik, Louis Tomlinson,

    and Niall Horan are the other members.
    I didn't know who Little Mix were until last week. Never 'eard of 'em
    A 66-1 winner of The X Factor. And no, I didn’t back them. :(
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    SeanT said:

    eadric said:

    I'm back! Hahahahaha!

    HaHA!

    You left? Why did you leave?!
    I was BANNED. Yes, I know. For Speaking Truth to Power. Tho I am sorry if I offended anyone

    :)
    I find that hard to believe. The only thing you ever did was tease that pompous fool IanB2, who thoroughly deserves it, otherwise I found your comments extremely acute, witty and prescient, almost up to my standard, TBH
    Thanks. You don't realise how much that means to me. I've always been a huge fan of yours, but I tried to keep it quiet. Mysticrose and I have a secret fanclub dedicated to your brilliant books and renowned sexual power.
    Oh please. I'd rather discuss modified d'Hondt voting systems and their possible replacements.
    So you want me to do a thread on AV and other voting systems this weekend?

    Well since you asked nicely.
    Please D’Hondt.
    As welcome as an STV...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    NEW THREAD

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:
    What's quite amazing about following politics for the last decade or so, is the way people of all sides shape shift depending on their opponents behaviour, so that no one can ever be happy, and they always have to be angry.

    When Boris promised to look after the "Red Wall" voters who backed him last December, if we knew he was going to listen to a young, northern, black man and gone with a policy that benefited the poorest in society, against his free market ideals, we would have thought it a real example of the new compassionate Conservatives installing a bit of Social Democracy.

    It has happened... and the people that wanted him to act in the interests of such folk, and would hold him to account had he not are lampooning him for being weak and defeated.

    Of course, had he not implemented the school meal policy, he would have remained the white supremacis, tin eared, out of touch Bullingdon Boy who has no connection with anyone outside his bubble.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    One of the most surreal things I’ve witnessed was the pro-celeb golf at Wentworth in 2016. I walked up to the driving range to find a load of school girls; not the usual punters at such an event. Anyway, the World No 1 golfer Rory McIlroy walks past them and they pay no notice. Some blonde haired kid follows and he is mobbed. Turned out it was Niall Horan and he’s good mates with Rory.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:
    What's quite amazing about following politics for the last decade or so, is the way people of all sides shape shift depending on their opponents behaviour, so that no one can ever be happy, and they always have to be angry.

    When Boris promised to look after the "Red Wall" voters who backed him last December, if we knew he was going to listen to a young, northern, black man and gone with a policy that benefited the poorest in society, against his free market ideals, we would have thought it a real example of the new compassionate Conservatives installing a bit of Social Democracy.

    It has happened... and the people that wanted him to act in the interests of such folk, and would hold him to account had he not are lampooning him for being weak and defeated.

    Of course, had he not implemented the school meal policy, he would have remained the white supremacis, tin eared, out of touch Bullingdon Boy who has no connection with anyone outside his bubble.
    Not all his opponents by any means, I welcomed it and am encouraging further u-turns. Listening and being open to changing your mind is strength not weakness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    ydoethur said:

    I have just been watching the most extraordinary and spectacular storm.

    Literally continuous thunder and lightning in rapid succession...!

    That would be extraordinary, it usually being the other way around.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    eadric said:

    Interesting social media metric: and social media is where the power is today


    Nigel Farage has 1.6m followers on Twitter

    For comparison:

    Nicola Sturgeon has 1.2m

    Sadiq Khan has 1m

    Ed Davey has 48k. Yes

    Sian Berry (leader of the Greens) has 45k

    Even Kier Starmer only has 880k, just over half of Nigel's figures

    Don't write off Farage just yet. He has a huge following, the second biggest in the UK. Watch what he does next

    What're the scores on the doors for a certain purveyor of airport bookie wookies?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,191

    rcs1000 said:

    CatMan said:
    Trump does not look likely to increase his electoral college count on those numbers.
    Let's see how Biden survives a campaign....
    Have the dems even set out their policy stall yet?

    Taxes? Healthcare? Defence? Law and order? Foreign policy?

    Has Trump for that matter?
    Don't know, but last time the media gave more space to Clinton using a private server for government emails than they gave to all policy proposals from both candidates combined. So perhaps they shouldn't bother.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Can we all take a moment to REJOICE at the fact that of all the nations in the world it was little old Blighty that's come up with the first treatment for this thing? It's like 1940 all over again (and one in the eye for the also-rans of Cambridge).

    We produced the first high quality research trial on steroids such as Dexamethasone, but it has been a staple treatment on theoretical grounds for some time.

    This is a 2004 debate on the subject, in the context of SARS

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC420028/
    Does it have similar side effects as other steroids like prednisilone. @Foxy
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