"By the time eight-year-old Lee Ji-ho is bundled out the door for his one day a week of in-class schooling, his mother has already completed an online form detailing his temperature, any signs of a cough or other respiratory complaints, and whether any family members have recently arrived home from overseas or are in quarantine.
"Once at school in Seoul’s Seocho district, he sits metres apart from classmates and is instructed not to talk to friends — not even during lunch, where instead he eats in solitude, separated from the other children by a plastic divider."
It may be that a lot of these so-called second waves are in fact the first wave in places where they tried to cover it up to begin with.
I think a second wave is merely a part of the normal process. My occasional contacts with a stats-reporting acquaintance in PHE has made that entirely clear in conversations since last December.
I have never understood all the flapping about X country doing worse than Y country or vice-versa when all the stats are incompatible and we are only in wave 1.
Far from it, the discovery Dexamethasone cuts the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators and for those on oxygen cut deaths by a fifth is excellent news.
The fact China has ended lockdown and declared it has solved the problem without introducing proper social distancing is another example of China not acting effectively on this
China's death rate of 3 per million compared with the UK's 618 per million suggests they are acting more effectively than we are.
Even if the Chinese data are not accurate, I don't imagine their real death rate is over 200 times the reported rate.
I guess Miss Cyclefree had lots of pepper in her porridge this morning.
It deserves more on topic comment, but other than agreement, there's little I can add.
Yeah, it's a very good header. Leadership is difficult, and modern organisations are complex with many opportunities for screwing up, but nevertheless we do seem to be lumbered with a lot of mediocre leadership right now. I guess everyone projects their own pet hates onto the problem, so for me a big part of the problem is a hierarchical, class-ridden society that favours well spoken mediocrities polished by the public school-Oxbridge complex over real talent or expertise (and its associated problems, the cults of the amateur and the generalist). But I imagine that's not the only reason. Perhaps we are too nice? Germans and Americans tend to be much more abrasive in professional life, and seem to run things better.
There's one big thing I share with @Cyclefree which is - speaking generally - we are often too eager to search for "systemic" reasons for things that go wrong. My sense is that we do this for 2 reasons. (i) Because it sounds more brainy. (ii) Because it is easier to discuss and change systems than it is to discuss and change what is usually the problem - people and the cultures they create.
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
Far from it, the discovery Dexamethasone cuts the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators and for those on oxygen cut deaths by a fifth is excellent news.
The fact China has ended lockdown and declared it has solved the problem without introducing proper social distancing is another example of China not acting effectively on this
China's death rate of 3 per million compared with the UK's 618 per million suggests they are acting more effectively than we are.
Even if the Chinese data are not accurate, I don't imagine their real death rate is over 200 times the reported rate.
If it sounds too good to be true then you can be sure it really is too good to be true. Sounds like the Chinese have Toryitis to me.
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
If it’s “the norm” why did Sturgeon announce it this lunchtime?
I find it maddening in stories of this ilk that they don’t cite the comments that triggered the resignation. I end up trawling the internet to find them, so I can judge the severity for myself.
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
If it’s “the norm” why did Sturgeon announce it this lunchtime?
She was merely pointing out as ever that the mince in Westminster was unconnected with Scotland. As ever old Toom Tabard is pig sick that Scotland leads the way , no humiliating u-turns for Sturgeon and SNP. You must be feeling like you are sucking a bag of lemons all the time nowadays. How popular can the SNP get.
Far from it, the discovery Dexamethasone cuts the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators and for those on oxygen cut deaths by a fifth is excellent news.
The fact China has ended lockdown and declared it has solved the problem without introducing proper social distancing is another example of China not acting effectively on this
China's death rate of 3 per million compared with the UK's 618 per million suggests they are acting more effectively than we are.
Even if the Chinese data are not accurate, I don't imagine their real death rate is over 200 times the reported rate.
The Chinese death rate is likely far more than reported and of course they sat on the Covid news for weeks
I find it maddening in stories of this ilk that they don’t cite the comments that triggered the resignation. I end up trawling the internet to find them, so I can judge the severity for myself.
Presumably they are truly offensive, hence the reluctance to republish. I imagine lots of naughty words
However unless he was inciting violence or rape or something disgusting like that, it is mad that anyone should resign for rude words said 12 years ago!
What's happened to apology, contrition, and forgiveness? These are civilised things.
Can we all take a moment to REJOICE at the fact that of all the nations in the world it was little old Blighty that's come up with the first treatment for this thing? It's like 1940 all over again (and one in the eye for the also-rans of Cambridge).
Far from it, the discovery Dexamethasone cuts the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators and for those on oxygen cut deaths by a fifth is excellent news.
The fact China has ended lockdown and declared it has solved the problem without introducing proper social distancing is another example of China not acting effectively on this
China's death rate of 3 per million compared with the UK's 618 per million suggests they are acting more effectively than we are.
Even if the Chinese data are not accurate, I don't imagine their real death rate is over 200 times the reported rate.
The Chinese death rate is likely far more than reported and of course they sat on the Covid news for weeks
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
If it’s “the norm” why did Sturgeon announce it this lunchtime?
She was merely pointing out as ever that the mince in Westminster was unconnected with Scotland. As ever old Toom Tabard is pig sick that Scotland leads the way , no humiliating u-turns for Sturgeon and SNP. You must be feeling like you are sucking a bag of lemons all the time nowadays. How popular can the SNP get.
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
If it’s “the norm” why did Sturgeon announce it this lunchtime?
She was merely pointing out as ever that the mince in Westminster was unconnected with Scotland. As ever old Toom Tabard is pig sick that Scotland leads the way , no humiliating u-turns for Sturgeon and SNP. You must be feeling like you are sucking a bag of lemons all the time nowadays. How popular can the SNP get.
Sturgeon U-turned first! You must be thrilled!
Was never a u-turn it was just continue as usual policy, really got your goat for sure , spitting feathers.@CarlottaVance Don't tell me you did not know it had been policy in Scotland for some years.
Marcus Rashford has done more for child poverty than all the opposition mps put together or that grossly overpaid Gary Lineker
Marcus a top class striker, in more ways than one
As ever they were talking about England, of course in Scotland the government had never had any intention of stopping the support and it was business as usual.
Malcolmg returns to 'little Scotlander' and is no longer classified as 'Aveit Scotland' 😊
Have to point out the lies , half truths and inaccuracies on here where Little Englanders take credit for what is the norm in Scotland and try to pretend Westminster does anything other than rob us blind. 300 years of stealing is way more than enough.
If it’s “the norm” why did Sturgeon announce it this lunchtime?
She was merely pointing out as ever that the mince in Westminster was unconnected with Scotland. As ever old Toom Tabard is pig sick that Scotland leads the way , no humiliating u-turns for Sturgeon and SNP. You must be feeling like you are sucking a bag of lemons all the time nowadays. How popular can the SNP get.
Sturgeon U-turned first! You must be thrilled!
Was never a u-turn it was just continue as usual policy, really got your goat for sure , spitting feathers.
If it isn’t a new policy why does it require extra money? I’m sure as a Scottish tax payer you are delighted.
More Airhead One than Airforce One by the sound of it.
The actual reality is that an RAF Voyager tanker plane will get a paint job.
As opposed to Blair Force One - remember that proposal?
What happens when NI reunites with the rest of Ireland?
The main problem with Irish reunification could well turn out to be the attitude of the Republic rather than the attitude of the North. Do they *really* want it back?
More Airhead One than Airforce One by the sound of it.
The actual reality is that an RAF Voyager tanker plane will get a paint job.
As opposed to Blair Force One - remember that proposal?
What happens when NI reunites with the rest of Ireland?
The main problem with Irish reunification could well turn out to be the attitude of the Republic rather than the attitude of the North. Do they *really* want it back?
Yes.
What they’re probably less sure of is what the hell to do with the place when they’ve got it.
Politicians usually think whatever they decide to do is the right thing to so, that's why they decided to do it. To change position perhaps they really did just consider the initial position was wrong, but perceived political advantage (or negation of disadvantage) beign taken into account is not even a criticism.
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Priti Patel could orchestrate a reversal of the theatre around her sacking and travel to Heathrow to prevent them disembarking and make them fly back to China.
A more virulent mutation is the last thing we need. The people who got immunity in the first wave may be the lucky ones.
To muddy the waters still further, some China watchers say the rumours of a nasty new mutation are being spread by China herself, so she can blame a renewed outbreak on incoming and irresponsible westerners, bringing in their even more unpleasant Covid-20.
Can we all take a moment to REJOICE at the fact that of all the nations in the world it was little old Blighty that's come up with the first treatment for this thing? It's like 1940 all over again (and one in the eye for the also-rans of Cambridge).
We produced the first high quality research trial on steroids such as Dexamethasone, but it has been a staple treatment on theoretical grounds for some time.
This is a 2004 debate on the subject, in the context of SARS
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Not sure how robust it is..
*IF* there's an even worse strain of Covid doing the rounds in the Far East then I think we can wave goodbye to any reversal of the quarantine policy. The pressure then will be to make it more robust - i.e. to do a New Zealand and frogmarch most people entering the country into state-controlled accommodation for a fortnight.
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Priti Patel could orchestrate a reversal of the theatre around her sacking and travel to Heathrow to prevent them disembarking and make them fly back to China.
Perhaps she should tell them it’s a standard eye testing procedure that they have to fly the plane back to China without hitting anything.
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Not sure how robust it is..
*IF* there's an even worse strain of Covid doing the rounds in the Far East then I think we can wave goodbye to any reversal of the quarantine policy. The pressure then will be to make it more robust - i.e. to do a New Zealand and frogmarch most people entering the country into state-controlled accommodation for a fortnight.
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
A more infectious and dangerous mutation is just too depressing for words. I hope it IS a mad rumour made up by Xi Jinping
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
When they tracked where infections from flights actually came from I think China was sub 1% with Spain highest and nearly all from Europe. The calls for quarantine, which generally started mid March, were for China, Iran, Korea and Italy at the time.
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Not sure how robust it is..
*IF* there's an even worse strain of Covid doing the rounds in the Far East then I think we can wave goodbye to any reversal of the quarantine policy. The pressure then will be to make it more robust - i.e. to do a New Zealand and frogmarch most people entering the country into state-controlled accommodation for a fortnight.
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
Truck drivers won't be a problem because you bring the TEU containers to the border and then the cab heads back. (Which is how it works, in a slightly bizarre manner, on the South Korean - North Korea border.)
Can we all take a moment to REJOICE at the fact that of all the nations in the world it was little old Blighty that's come up with the first treatment for this thing? It's like 1940 all over again (and one in the eye for the also-rans of Cambridge).
We produced the first high quality research trial on steroids such as Dexamethasone, but it has been a staple treatment on theoretical grounds for some time.
This is a 2004 debate on the subject, in the context of SARS
@Casino_Royale Re: the video of the police shooting someone in the US, no they were real bullets. I probably shouldn’t have posted it without a warning.
"Thousands sign petition to temporarily close Bicester Village over COVID-19 concerns Shoppers say they are worried about large queues outside some of the complex's designer boutiques."
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Not sure how robust it is..
*IF* there's an even worse strain of Covid doing the rounds in the Far East then I think we can wave goodbye to any reversal of the quarantine policy. The pressure then will be to make it more robust - i.e. to do a New Zealand and frogmarch most people entering the country into state-controlled accommodation for a fortnight.
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
A more infectious and dangerous mutation is just too depressing for words. I hope it IS a mad rumour made up by Xi Jinping
I shall go for a calming walk in the evening sun
Just when we think we have seen the back of a virus spreading fear and misery, it reappears.
"Thousands sign petition to temporarily close Bicester Village over COVID-19 concerns Shoppers say they are worried about large queues outside some of the complex's designer boutiques."
That would be interesting, if true. HSJ has done a certain amount of sensationism.
I had a diagnosis last week that would put me into shielding (pancytopenia - a full house of low blood counts), which would be my third period of isolation since Christmas, but the sensible Doc did not try to argue with sense and risk assessment - eg continued solitary exercise on the bike.
I think that given the low occurrence of new cases, this - including sensible judgement - is perhaps wise.
My LA area of 100k people is now contributing less than 1 new case per week. That is now the case for about 1/3 of local authorities in England.
Probably important not to withdraw support services too rapidly.
Two flights from Shanghai and one from Beijing landing at Heathrow within the next hour....
Good job we have quarantine then
Not sure how robust it is..
*IF* there's an even worse strain of Covid doing the rounds in the Far East then I think we can wave goodbye to any reversal of the quarantine policy. The pressure then will be to make it more robust - i.e. to do a New Zealand and frogmarch most people entering the country into state-controlled accommodation for a fortnight.
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
A more infectious and dangerous mutation is just too depressing for words. I hope it IS a mad rumour made up by Xi Jinping
I shall go for a calming walk in the evening sun
Just when we think we have seen the back of a virus spreading fear and misery, it reappears.
It has been widely reported that the virus that hit Europe and then the Americas is a mutated more contagious form of the original virus that hit China and then Asia.
The best assumption must be that the mutated contagious form has now found its way back to China?
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I have never understood all the flapping about X country doing worse than Y country or vice-versa when all the stats are incompatible and we are only in wave 1.
Even if the Chinese data are not accurate, I don't imagine their real death rate is over 200 times the reported rate.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1272937984837292032?s=20
Top banker RESIGNS for sexist comments he made....... 12 years ago
https://news.sky.com/story/top-bank-lobbyist-jones-quits-over-sexist-staveley-comments-12008103
However Lineker is also something of a shitstirrer who does not do his homework and does not correct his misleading statements to 7.5m followers.
eg
https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1271872555209629700
In fact she mentioned it several times in her statement to the Commons.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1272564524084678657?s=20
However unless he was inciting violence or rape or something disgusting like that, it is mad that anyone should resign for rude words said 12 years ago!
What's happened to apology, contrition, and forgiveness? These are civilised things.
I wouldn't say they were BLM, just because they were black, they could have just been trouble makers, but I doubt that's who Lineker is referring to
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-says-free-school-meals-will-be-extended-to-cover-the-summer-holiday-vdn86gnd0
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-nireland-poll/poll-shows-northern-ireland-majority-against-united-ireland-idUSKBN20C0WI
https://twitter.com/snehalafrica/status/1272935141539606528?s=20
Concerning, but DYOR
Don't tell me you did not know it had been policy in Scotland for some years.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18521376.parents-glasgow-get-cash-payment-school-meals-summer/
What they’re probably less sure of is what the hell to do with the place when they’ve got it.
The economy is going into an ice age.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
But if this is truly a more virulent remake, eek.
2019: 8/18 = 44%
2017: 10/18 = 56%
2015: 11/18 = 61%
2010: 9/18 = 50%
2005: 10/18 = 56%
2001: 11/18 =61%
1997: 13/18 = 72%
1992: 13/17 = 77%
1987: 13/17 = 77%
1983: 15/17 = 88%
1979: 9/12 = 75%
1974 Oct: 10/12 = 83%
1974 Feb: 11/12 = 92%
This is a 2004 debate on the subject, in the context of SARS
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC420028/
The main problem then is going to be with truck drivers bringing in goods from Europe, though then again our neighbours won't be wanting any air travel from further afield under those circumstances either, which should help considerably.
Nationalist vote in NI in 2019 38%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results/northern_ireland
Unionist vote in NI in 2010 44%
Nationalist vote in NI in 2010 43%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm
I shall go for a calming walk in the evening sun
Oops no that was last week under Drakeford. It's ok normally!
One term president rejected by landslide when running against a 78 year old who looks and sounds 85.
This is what happens when you have nothing - NOTHING - to offer except hatred and division.
I’ve known lots of very fit and alert 85 year olds.
One neighbour of my father who keeps a discreet eye on him for me is 87 but you’d swear he wasn’t a day over 65.
You would get stopped at the border, while we cannot get out
It is ludicrous
Unlike Drakeford. Who's a big joke!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/15/trans-and-non-binary-activists-write-to-sun-in-support-of-jk-rowling
No but seriously, landslide defeat to opponent who is seen as far from formidable - is the point.
SO literal you are sometimes!
Astonishing that we are lagging behind Sinn Fein in this respect!
Unionist vote 1987: 55%
Unionist vote 1997: 51%
Unionist vote 2010: 50%
Unionist vote 2019: 43%
Shoppers say they are worried about large queues outside some of the complex's designer boutiques."
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-thousands-sign-petition-to-temporarily-close-bicester-village-over-covid-19-concerns-12007965
I had a diagnosis last week that would put me into shielding (pancytopenia - a full house of low blood counts), which would be my third period of isolation since Christmas, but the sensible Doc did not try to argue with sense and risk assessment - eg continued solitary exercise on the bike.
I think that given the low occurrence of new cases, this - including sensible judgement - is perhaps wise.
My LA area of 100k people is now contributing less than 1 new case per week. That is now the case for about 1/3 of local authorities in England.
Probably important not to withdraw support services too rapidly.
But just wait for the media flapathon.
The government needs to nail this down now.
Trump 11% behind in Florida (Page 16).
https://kittyhawk.amgreatness.com/app/uploads/2020/06/Florida-Crosstabs-June-2020-1.pdf
The best assumption must be that the mutated contagious form has now found its way back to China?