Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
No, body shop has the same issue you describe with Gillette, the people who agree aren't going to suddenly buy more and the people you piss off will buy less. I expect the tweet was put out by an overzealous social media manager and tomorrow morning the business analysts will be brought in to walk it back.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
It's a bit of a leap to say that the Government will widely take the blame for it.
I was against early lockdown so I am not going to argue with Jenny Harries, but I do think relying on the model will be a public inquiry issue. Are we talking about the 13 year old code, non-peer reviewed, with bugs that I think she means?
Its now known that more people were both infected and dying than was known about at the time.
That might have affected the lockdown date.
Not realising the importance of testing was the big scientific failure IMO.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
What about the Co-Op? Certainly their banking is pretty woke (even after unpleasantness of a few years ago). Their food stores walk the tightrope pretty well; right-ons will seek them out, but I'm not sure that anyone would be actively repelled by them.
Good point! I forgot about the Co-op.
I've never respected the Co-op or fallen for their hype since I worked there when I was seventeen and there was no minimum wage at the time for 17 year olds and they paid me a fraction of the minimum wage. I got a job a few months later at McDonald's and they paid much better, gave free food and drink and were all around a much better employer.
Seeing people slate McDonald's and/or rave about the Co-op has always made me have a wry smile since.
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
What about the Co-Op? Certainly their banking is pretty woke (even after unpleasantness of a few years ago). Their food stores walk the tightrope pretty well; right-ons will seek them out, but I'm not sure that anyone would be actively repelled by them.
The GE of 2024 was decided the weekend of the Cummings revelations.
It only gets worse from there.
While I would enjoy seeing the protracted and tortured weakening of this administration over the next three years and ten months and its final electoral humiliation in May 2024 as much as the next person, I'm much less convinced.
The honeymoon has clearly ended but that's a long way from saying defeat is on the cards. We know there is nothing the Conservatives are better at than clinging onto power - anything that money can buy (including votes) will be fair game.
A lot will depend on which school of thought prevails - there are those who think Covid-19 and the lockdown has wrecked the economy and the legacy of mass unemployment and the impoverishing of millions will cast a dark cloud over the country for a decade or more.
OTOH, there are those who see covid-19 more as a natural disaster from which recovery will be swift. They argue the middle classes in particular have done very well out of lockdown - working at home, relaxed and not spending (apart from online). They'll have plenty of cash to splash when the shops re-open and this will give the economy a huge boost ensuring most jobs are safe and life will swiftly return to normal.
As with all good schools, both have elements of truth - neither has a monopoly.
Boris and his merry men have certainly not covered themselves in glory during their first few months in office but what really scares me is that these are the people who sold the country their prospectus that won the Brexit referendum.
Have a look back at their economic vision of a post-Brexit UK and ask yourself whether there is any chance whatsoever of this shower delivering it. Our government has one of the worst performances in dealing with the health aspects of the pandemic and well on its way to having caused the most damage to its own economy and we are supposed to believe that the very same people are going to turn Brexit Britain into some global superpower. Don't make me laugh.
My guess is that the Tories will be lagging 10 points behind by the end of the year and Boris will leg it during 2021 using health as his get out card. .
The GE of 2024 was decided the weekend of the Cummings revelations.
It only gets worse from there.
Your periodic reminder that Ed MIliband's Labour led David Cameron's Tories in the polling averages from late 2010, all of 2011, all of 2012, all of 2013, all of 2014, and was neck-and-neck right before election day in 2015.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
It's a bit of a leap to say that the Government will widely take the blame for it.
Why would this government be different from any previous government?
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
Reports that one of the suggested alternative names was Fort Bonespur have not been confirmed.
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
He does realise the Confederacy was another nation in rebellion to his nation doesn't he?
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
No, body shop has the same issue you describe with Gillette, the people who agree aren't going to suddenly buy more and the people you piss off will buy less. I expect the tweet was put out by an overzealous social media manager and tomorrow morning the business analysts will be brought in to walk it back.
Indeed but haven't they always trod the line of being bleeding edge in cultural issues?
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
He does realise the Confederacy was another nation in rebellion to his nation doesn't he?
Nevermind.
Though Braxton Bragg achieved more for the Union army by fighting against it than almost any Union general did fighting for it.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
I'm not exactly an expert on this subject, but I was a impressed by a sign outside a Lush store in Bordeaux last year: "Not tested on animals. Tested on the English".
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
No, body shop has the same issue you describe with Gillette, the people who agree aren't going to suddenly buy more and the people you piss off will buy less. I expect the tweet was put out by an overzealous social media manager and tomorrow morning the business analysts will be brought in to walk it back.
Indeed but haven't they always trod the line of being bleeding edge in cultural issues?
Unlike eg Gillette.
Being bleeding edge is never a good marketing message for a razor company.
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
No, body shop has the same issue you describe with Gillette, the people who agree aren't going to suddenly buy more and the people you piss off will buy less. I expect the tweet was put out by an overzealous social media manager and tomorrow morning the business analysts will be brought in to walk it back.
Indeed but haven't they always trod the line of being bleeding edge in cultural issues?
Unlike eg Gillette.
Being bleeding edge is never a good marketing message for a razor company.
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
No, body shop has the same issue you describe with Gillette, the people who agree aren't going to suddenly buy more and the people you piss off will buy less. I expect the tweet was put out by an overzealous social media manager and tomorrow morning the business analysts will be brought in to walk it back.
Indeed but haven't they always trod the line of being bleeding edge in cultural issues?
Unlike eg Gillette.
Not that I know of, but it's not a brand I really keep track of. I know they make a big deal out of no animal testing which is whyy wife buys their stuff. Other than that it's just a bit standard brand.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Hitler planned to arrest Baden Powell, had Operation Sealion succeeded. He banned scouting in Germany. Not that one would expect the Woke to know anything about history.
The leader of the council is a twit, who only just held off a vote of no confidence this week. I expect she'll be gone.
Pretty much the only brands I can think of that I would think suits "woke" as part of the brands culture would be Body Shop and Lush. More the latter probably, Lush must be Queen of the "woke" brands.
I'm not exactly an expert on this subject, but I was a impressed by a sign outside a Lush store in Bordeaux last year: "Not tested on animals. Tested on the English".
Must have confused a few locals who think the English are animals.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Black Wednesday was an instant shock they didn't come back from, this looks more like death from a thousand cuts.
Far from it, we are now in the midst of a culture war which was not the case when Blair came to power.
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
As of today that may well be true, but after 4 years of economic hardship borne out of perceived government mismanagement of Coronavirus and possibly (yet to be seen) the aftermath I wouldn't bet on it.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
Hitler planned to arrest Baden Powell, had Operation Sealion succeeded. He banned scouting in Germany. Not that one would expect the Woke to know anything about history.
The leader of the council is a twit, who only just held off a vote of no confidence this week. I expect she'll be gone.
She only survived by casting vote. Leads a coalition of all other parties but the Conservatives....
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in the 90s . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
There are some that will use anything as a reason to kick-off/mobilise.
In 1939 Baden-Powell noted in his diary: "Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc. – and ideals which Hitler does not practise himself."
Interesting stat, France currently has nearly double the number of people in hospital than the UK has with Covid 19 ,yet it is supposed to have far less infections than the UK and be further along the virus curve.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
He does realise the Confederacy was another nation in rebellion to his nation doesn't he?
Nevermind.
Every Confederate state bar Virginia voted for Trump in 2016.
The majority of Trump voting states backed the Confederacy in the US Civil War or were Union states which kept slavery
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
I guess that the Marie Stopes charity will have to change its name. She wrote love letters to Hitler.
There does seem to be bizarre form of displacement activity occurring right now.
Just wondering if you have been affected by Cunards decision not to saill before November. I had the idea you are sailing sometime to New York with them
Ah yes, good evening. We were due to sail to New York in May this year, which was obviously cancelled by Cunard. Coincidentally we had a cheque from them for a full refund last week, so we are not out of pocket.
We have expressed our confidence in the future by booking the same trip with them next May, so fingers-crossed.
We got a good deal for next year: Queens Grill suite for the price we'd paid this year for Princess Grill.
Nike saw a big upward spike in sales when they backed Colin Kaepernick. Success breeds imitation.
I don't know about Nike but Paperchase went bust, and Gillette suffered from their "best men can be" ad too.
Did they? That's sad.
Personally that ad impressed me, but I'm not going to shave more than once a day to reflect that so had no impact on my expenditure.
Fair enough. Many people (myself included) found it hectoring and patronising.
I haven't bought Gillette since.
Which probably shows the diference between Gilette and Nike.
Gilette is a necessity, if you're buying razors, shaving foam etc you're doing so because you need to shave. Gilette need regular customers who regularly buy from them, but they can't buy more than they already are doing so, can only buy less. I'm not going to buy more than I already was, but you can buy less.
OTOH for Nike people make individual purchases that frankly aren't necessities. Someone who is impressed by Nike or want to show their support, or simply through the extra publicity can make a purchase they wouldn't have made otherwise and that's extra for Nike's bottom line.
To be honest there are alternatives like Wilkinson Sword or Harry's.
Nike saw a big upward spike in sales when they backed Colin Kaepernick. Success breeds imitation.
I don't know about Nike but Paperchase went bust, and Gillette suffered from their "best men can be" ad too.
Did they? That's sad.
Personally that ad impressed me, but I'm not going to shave more than once a day to reflect that so had no impact on my expenditure.
Fair enough. Many people (myself included) found it hectoring and patronising.
I haven't bought Gillette since.
Which probably shows the diference between Gilette and Nike.
Gilette is a necessity, if you're buying razors, shaving foam etc you're doing so because you need to shave. Gilette need regular customers who regularly buy from them, but they can't buy more than they already are doing so, can only buy less. I'm not going to buy more than I already was, but you can buy less.
OTOH for Nike people make individual purchases that frankly aren't necessities. Someone who is impressed by Nike or want to show their support, or simply through the extra publicity can make a purchase they wouldn't have made otherwise and that's extra for Nike's bottom line.
To be honest there are alternatives like Wilkinson Sword or Harry's.
I use those now.
Bic twin blade.
Funnily enough, I also use Bic Twin Blade (in the Yellow & Green pack, they're by far the best imo ... the trouble is actually finding them, only Home Bargains appear to stock them.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
I don't think it meant he deserved to die the way he did, I do think it's bizarre that he was probably a nastier piece of work than the people who are being besmirched daily on the back of his death
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Blimey, definitely unprovoked unlike the tea thing.
It's going down like a bucket of cold sick.
Even on Twatter.
Personally I've never shopped in that store, but I thought pretentious twats was kind of their brand identity?
Being woke is niche marketing. It can work if you build up your brand on that basis.
If it turns out that you actually route your profits through a tax haven, or get children in South East Asia to manufacture your goods for a pittance, then it can backfire.
It can also backfire when you're an established everyday brand with a broad customer base who then suddenly wades into politics.
I think that Yougov poll is pretty clear.
It is clear, but often people say things in response to opinion polls and don't follow through.
So, for example, Tim Martin and his fecking Wetherspoon news pushing Brexit enrages me, but there are several things I like Wetherspoons for - and the same goes for the extreme Remainers from my knitting group.
Maybe your argument is that the risks are only one way, and only brands upsetting the right are at
You're right that not everyone will follow through.
It depends on the product, the alternatives and how strongly how many people feel about it.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
The mob seem incapable of separating what people achieved with their lives from their views (which were in the context of the society they lived in).
Should we condemn the 1000s who volunteered at the start of WWI in a burst of nationalist jingoism? Should every family who can trace an ancestor who did this be ashamed at their warmongering?
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Black Wednesday was an instant shock they didn't come back from, this looks more like death from a thousand cuts.
Far from it, we are now in the midst of a culture war which was not the case when Blair came to power.
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
It's official. Johnson is now a joke and PB tories are pinning their hopes on inciting a culture war.
How many elections in a row have the Tories won again? Perhaps you might wish to check which joke parties keep getting their arses handed to them at the ballot box...
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
His past behaviour has nothing to do with it. The cops who arrested him didn't know anything about his past, so I can't see how it influenced their actions.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
George Floyd may (for all I know) have been the world's most evil bastard. He was still entitled to due process.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
The mob seem incapable of separating what people achieved with their lives from their views (which were in the context of the society they lived in).
Should we condemn the 1000s who volunteered at the start of WWI in a burst of nationalist jingoism? Should every family who can trace an ancestor who did this be ashamed at their warmongering?
Tear down the Sikh memorial in Brighton. These were people who volunteered to fight for the Emperor of India.
Works? To enforce a new dark age of woke bullshit? These idiots are setting a precedent that will not turn out necessarily to their advantage.
How is this mob rule decision making over statues part of a democratic society?
Which mob is making the decisions? Maybe the other mob are coming and they are bigger and have guns.
If the Council have done this how is that mob rule?
If the voters are unhappy they can elect a new Council.
The Council is reaction to non democratic influences
An analogy: a man in a cheap suit and sunglasses comes into a shop and asks for £10,000 in used notes. The shopkeeper gives it to him of his own free will. His behaviour is in now way influenced by the two heavies with baseball bats just outside.
The mob seem incapable of separating what people achieved with their lives from their views (which were in the context of the society they lived in).
Should we condemn the 1000s who volunteered at the start of WWI in a burst of nationalist jingoism? Should every family who can trace an ancestor who did this be ashamed at their warmongering?
My whatsapp has been buzzing all evening. Local feeling is very strong. Scouting is about as engrained in British culture as a Good Thing as is possible to be!
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Black Wednesday was an instant shock they didn't come back from, this looks more like death from a thousand cuts.
Far from it, we are now in the midst of a culture war which was not the case when Blair came to power.
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
It's official. Johnson is now a joke and PB tories are pinning their hopes on inciting a culture war.
How many elections in a row have the Tories won again? Perhaps you might wish to check which joke parties keep getting their arses handed to them at the ballot box...
The blue bubble just popped. Johnson is a joke and will likely run away before facing the electorate again.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
That is a disgusting post. You're talking about someone who was choked to death by a policeman kneeling on his neck.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
No, you're right.
His prosecution should continue. Best let people know they can't escape trial by conveniently dying.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
His past behaviour has nothing to do with it. The cops who arrested him didn't know anything about his past, so I can't see how it influenced their actions.
That's not my point. Of course the police shouldn't have killed him, no matter what he had done before.
But my point is that the new puritans who want to tear down historical figures for being insufficiently pure by today's standards cannot then turn around and make a man who was himself immoral by present standards into the new saint of their cause.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
I don't think it meant he deserved to die the way he did, I do think it's bizarre that he was probably a nastier piece of work than the people who are being besmirched daily on the back of his death
It's not bizarre since he's dead gruesomely and they're alive.
Have you never heard of a martyr before? When the officer asphyxiated him for nine minutes he made Floyd a martyr.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
With all due respect, you are either a troll or a fool. Your tag team partner is barely better.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Black Wednesday was an instant shock they didn't come back from, this looks more like death from a thousand cuts.
Far from it, we are now in the midst of a culture war which was not the case when Blair came to power.
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
It's official. Johnson is now a joke and PB tories are pinning their hopes on inciting a culture war.
How many elections in a row have the Tories won again? Perhaps you might wish to check which joke parties keep getting their arses handed to them at the ballot box...
The blue bubble just popped. Johnson is a joke and will likely run away before facing the electorate again.
Uh-uh. The Tories have a majority of 80 and are 163 seats ahead of Labour. Don't count your chickens too soon...
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
His past behaviour has nothing to do with it. The cops who arrested him didn't know anything about his past, so I can't see how it influenced their actions.
That's not my point. Of course the police shouldn't have killed him, no matter what he had done before.
But my point is that the new puritans who want to tear down historical figures for being insufficiently pure by today's standards cannot then turn around and make a man who was himself immoral by present standards into the new saint of their cause.
Because that would be deeply hypocritical.
Yeah, it's a convenient excuse for many. The Rhodes campaign has been going for years at this point, what better opportunity to have another push than now?
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
Black Wednesday was an instant shock they didn't come back from, this looks more like death from a thousand cuts.
Far from it, we are now in the midst of a culture war which was not the case when Blair came to power.
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
It's official. Johnson is now a joke and PB tories are pinning their hopes on inciting a culture war.
How many elections in a row have the Tories won again? Perhaps you might wish to check which joke parties keep getting their arses handed to them at the ballot box...
The blue bubble just popped. Johnson is a joke and will likely run away before facing the electorate again.
A bit like 2019 when Boris stood and fought, and got a majority of 80?
Works? To enforce a new dark age of woke bullshit? These idiots are setting a precedent that will not turn out necessarily to their advantage.
How is this mob rule decision making over statues part of a democratic society?
Which mob is making the decisions? Maybe the other mob are coming and they are bigger and have guns.
If the Council have done this how is that mob rule?
If the voters are unhappy they can elect a new Council.
The Council is reaction to non democratic influences
An analogy: a man in a cheap suit and sunglasses comes into a shop and asks for £10,000 in used notes. The shopkeeper gives it to him of his own free will. His behaviour is in now way influenced by the two heavies with baseball bats just outside.
If the council has any sense, they'll have temporarily removed it to storage, and will replace it once the fuss dies down.
That probably works out cheaper for the taxpayers of Poole than having a couple of Police guard it full time.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
No, you're right.
His prosecution should continue. Best let people know they can't escape trial by conveniently dying.
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
I don't think it meant he deserved to die the way he did, I do think it's bizarre that he was probably a nastier piece of work than the people who are being besmirched daily on the back of his death
It's not bizarre since he's dead gruesomely and they're alive.
Have you never heard of a martyr before? When the officer asphyxiated him for nine minutes he made Floyd a martyr.
The Chuckle Brothers (Isam and Bluest Blue) are on fire tonight!
Works? To enforce a new dark age of woke bullshit? These idiots are setting a precedent that will not turn out necessarily to their advantage.
How is this mob rule decision making over statues part of a democratic society?
Which mob is making the decisions? Maybe the other mob are coming and they are bigger and have guns.
If the Council have done this how is that mob rule?
If the voters are unhappy they can elect a new Council.
The Council is reaction to non democratic influences
An analogy: a man in a cheap suit and sunglasses comes into a shop and asks for £10,000 in used notes. The shopkeeper gives it to him of his own free will. His behaviour is in now way influenced by the two heavies with baseball bats just outside.
If the council has any sense, they'll have temporarily removed it to storage, and will replace it once the fuss dies down.
That probably works out cheaper for the taxpayers of Poole than having a couple of Police guard it full time.
I suspect this is the case, however they're going to get an awful lot of negative press about it in the meantime.
Edit to add - what sort of a state are we in as a society where statues have to be guarded. Shocking.
This was a problem for Blair too. He overcame the problem by renaming the party New Labour. New Labour is no longer the reassurance it once was but a simple remarketing strategy would help.
Blair already had big poll leads when he took over as leader and New Labour accelerated that.
Tory swing voters are still not ready to risk voting for a Starmer led Labour Party as they were ready to vote for Blair and New Labour
2020 isn't 1997, it's still 1993!
1997 comes around again in 2024.
With the government under the cosh for Covid-19 and a massive economic aftershock on its way, bolstered by no deal, I don't see how this government navigates the next four years without losing rather than retaining support.
Johnson and/or his successors could pull rabbits from hats, although I can't see the rabbits or the hats at the moment..
We are now 6 months since the last general election and the Tories are still ahead in every poll.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
All these statues being taken down for not being virtuous enough by modern standards hundreds of years ago, triggered by the ill treatment of George Floyd... who held a pregnant woman up at gunpoint in 2007 . This is utterly bizarre, the world has gone mad
For someone who thinks it doesn't matter you sure do bring up his criminal record a lot.
In an age when historical figures are being judged by the standards of the present, surely it makes sense to judge him by the standards of the present too, no?
He should be let off the hook because black people were exploited 200 years ago
That is a disgusting post. You're talking about someone who was choked to death by a policeman kneeling on his neck.
You don't say? Stop the press! We've found out how George Floyd died
He is being let off the hook for his horrible recent crimes, whilst people from hundreds of years ago are being retrospectively found guilty of things that weren't even illegal while they were alive. He shouldn't have died, it's a disgrace, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend he was someone to worship, save that for those who've earnt it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_and_Mildred#Cast
That might have affected the lockdown date.
Not realising the importance of testing was the big scientific failure IMO.
6 months after the 1992 general election in October 1992 Labour were not behind in any poll and in one Gallup poll were 22% ahead of the Tories
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1270830519341719552
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/10/trump-says-he-wont-consider-renaming-army-bases-breaking-with-pentagon-311271
... Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations," Trump continued. "Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!"...
I've never respected the Co-op or fallen for their hype since I worked there when I was seventeen and there was no minimum wage at the time for 17 year olds and they paid me a fraction of the minimum wage. I got a job a few months later at McDonald's and they paid much better, gave free food and drink and were all around a much better employer.
Seeing people slate McDonald's and/or rave about the Co-op has always made me have a wry smile since.
Brilliant contrast to bumbling, babbling Boris and his endless 'erm, errs, erms'
referendum.
Have a look back at their economic vision of a post-Brexit UK and ask yourself whether there is any chance whatsoever of this shower delivering it. Our government has one of the worst performances in dealing with the health aspects of the pandemic and well on its way to having caused the most damage to its own economy and we are supposed to believe that the very same people are going to turn Brexit Britain into some global superpower. Don't make me laugh.
My guess is that the Tories will be lagging 10 points behind by the end of the year and Boris will leg it during 2021 using health as his get out card. .
Has a lot of Personality (IPSOS-MORI)
Boris 64
Starmer 30
Nevermind.
Unlike eg Gillette.
E.g. Baden-Powell. Don't tear down the statue, add a plaque explaining modern thinking and context on the Edwardian mindset.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/christopher-hitchens-on-the-mildly-fascist-founder-of-the-boy-scouts/272683/
The white working class voted for Blair and New Labour, the white working class will not vote for Starmer and Woke Labour
Which mob is making the decisions? Maybe the other mob are coming and they are bigger and have guns.
The Nazis has him on their list of people to detain on the invasion of Britain
Three local MPs have already come out in favour of it staying. BP is popular around here - we even have a school named after him.
Obviously the 'people should read it cos they'll immediately see through its pish' line doesn't apply to everyone.
The leader of the council is a twit, who only just held off a vote of no confidence this week. I expect she'll be gone.
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/1270837159717752838
In 1939 Baden-Powell noted in his diary: "Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc. – and ideals which Hitler does not practise himself."
If the voters are unhappy they can elect a new Council.
Showing my age, but she reminds me in her style of Jim Callaghan.
BP is incredibly popular locally. It will be back soon, I suspect - but WITH lasting damage to LDs because of prevarication.
The majority of Trump voting states backed the Confederacy in the US Civil War or were Union states which kept slavery
There does seem to be bizarre form of displacement activity occurring right now.
https://twitter.com/EmmaWatson/status/1270826851070619649?s=20
We have expressed our confidence in the future by booking the same trip with them next May, so fingers-crossed.
We got a good deal for next year: Queens Grill suite for the price we'd paid this year for Princess Grill.
The mob seem incapable of separating what people achieved with their lives from their views (which were in the context of the society they lived in).
Should we condemn the 1000s who volunteered at the start of WWI in a burst of nationalist jingoism? Should every family who can trace an ancestor who did this be ashamed at their warmongering?
An analogy: a man in a cheap suit and sunglasses comes into a shop and asks for £10,000 in used notes. The shopkeeper gives it to him of his own free will. His behaviour is in now way influenced by the two heavies with baseball bats just outside.
His prosecution should continue. Best let people know they can't escape trial by conveniently dying.
But my point is that the new puritans who want to tear down historical figures for being insufficiently pure by today's standards cannot then turn around and make a man who was himself immoral by present standards into the new saint of their cause.
Because that would be deeply hypocritical.
Have you never heard of a martyr before? When the officer asphyxiated him for nine minutes he made Floyd a martyr.
That probably works out cheaper for the taxpayers of Poole than having a couple of Police guard it full time.
Edit to add - what sort of a state are we in as a society where statues have to be guarded. Shocking.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-1997
In 2019 47% of C2s voted for Boris and the Tories compared to a national Tory voteshare of 44%.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2019-election
He is being let off the hook for his horrible recent crimes, whilst people from hundreds of years ago are being retrospectively found guilty of things that weren't even illegal while they were alive. He shouldn't have died, it's a disgrace, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend he was someone to worship, save that for those who've earnt it.