"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
To be fair the Cambridge University Library looks like a prison.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
I hope than far more people than Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this - skin colour is irrelevant (as always) - and I think they will - Starmer is a poseur. He`s reminding me of that prize bell-end Trudeau.
It does look a bit ... well you know.
But it does not imo insult other minorities. An attack by Conservative Asian politicians along those lines would be poor form. As others have said, the main point is policies to address the issue. If they are not forthcoming the charge would indeed be "poseur" and it would be merited. But I hope Labour under Starmer WILL have such policies. Jury is out on whether he is serious about the equality agenda or will seek to downplay it for perceived electoral reasons.
Ah the good old leftie double standards on display. You were telling Casino earlier he should be more careful because their was a perception that his guest analogy could be racist.
Now you are telling MaxPB who is saying what Starmer said could be seen as racist that he shouldn't be saying that.
Make up your mind is racism in the eye of the beholder or not?
I was not "telling" either of them anything.
As opposed to all those people who keep "telling" me what the left think.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
I hope than far more people than Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this - skin colour is irrelevant (as always) - and I think they will - Starmer is a poseur. He`s reminding me of that prize bell-end Trudeau.
It does look a bit ... well you know.
But it does not imo insult other minorities. An attack by Conservative Asian politicians along those lines would be poor form. As others have said, the main point is policies to address the issue. If they are not forthcoming the charge would indeed be "poseur" and it would be merited. But I hope Labour under Starmer WILL have such policies. Jury is out on whether he is serious about the equality agenda or will seek to downplay it for perceived electoral reasons.
Ah the good old leftie double standards on display. You were telling Casino earlier he should be more careful because their was a perception that his guest analogy could be racist.
Now you are telling MaxPB who is saying what Starmer said could be seen as racist that he shouldn't be saying that.
Make up your mind is racism in the eye of the beholder or not?
I was not "telling" either of them anything.
As opposed to all those people who keep "telling" me what the left think.
You were the one uttering the words, I can only go by what you say to work out how you think. Not my fault you act like a leftwing stereotype
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
I am hoping Biden doesn't make same mistake.
Did you just say it wasn't misogyny. She just didn't listen to her husband?
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
For some reason I have a vision of somebody like Peter Manion in the Thick of It being told by it would be a good idea to take the knee (I forget who is the Tory spin doctor in it!) and telling him to get lost!
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
It's how Mugabe the Marxist took charge of Rhodesia.
For some reason I have a vision of somebody like Peter Manion in the Thick of It being told by it would be a good idea to take the knee (I forget who is the Tory spin doctor in it!) and telling him to get lost!
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
This one being removed in London. removing it from out the front of a museum that explains this blokes role in history. Surely the statue is prime for a plaque saying see him, he built all this but.....come inside and learn the full story.
exactly.
There's a sane way through this, but first people need to start acting sane.
I think Conservative Remainers are unlikely to switch directly to Labour, although they may like him they are still suspicious of his party, Starmer has not yet created New Labour 2.
If they switch to any party it will likely be the LDs if we go to a hard Brexit and it turns out badly
This one being removed in London. removing it from out the front of a museum that explains this blokes role in history. Surely the statue is prime for a plaque saying see him, he built all this but.....come inside and learn the full story.
exactly.
There's a sane way through this, but first people need to start acting sane.
A decade ago I was studying Humanities at Brighton University - it was an incredibly left wing place as you might imagine. A middle aged African lady, a classmate of mine, said that the UK should be ashamed of itself for not apologising for the slave trade the way Germany has for the Nazis. People kind of raised their eyebrows at the ridiculous comparison
This morning Piers Morgan said the same thing on GMB! How times change
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
I think one thing is clear, the culture war has crossed the Atlantic and is now here and in full, Brexit started it, these events have accelerated it.
Which ironically is more likely to turn Britain from a pretty non racist county into one very much more divided along racial lines such as America is. Before anyone jumps on that I am not saying there is no racism here I am saying that compared to that I saw when I was in the states we are actually a damn sight better.
I can't get excited about statues - seriously. The only one I can think of in my locality is the Champions Statue in Upton Park which features Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters and Ray Wilson. Only Hurst remains with us of course.
The team has moved to Stratford but the statue is still alongside the Barking Road near where the old Upton Park stood.
As for bending the knee, again, I can't get too excited about that either. If you want to do it, fine, if you don't or can't, equally fine.
Six councillors from the previous ruling group have quit the party and formed their own United Spelthorne Group. They include the leader, deputy leader and three Cabinet members.
Spelthorne Council now has 17 Conservatives, 8 Liberal Democrats, 6 United Spelthorne Group, 4 Labour, 2 Green and 2 Independent
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
It’s not just misogyny. It’s dismissing women’s experiences or views or telling them what they should think. I see Daniel Radcliffe has climbed on the latest bandwagon and is busy telling women that he knows better than them what they should feel. Honestly, if men want to respect women, they should shut up for a bit and listen to them not talk at them.
A decade ago I was studying Humanities at Brighton University - it was an incredibly left wing place as you might imagine. A middle aged African lady, a classmate of mine, said that the UK should be ashamed of itself for not apologising for the slave trade the way Germany has for the Nazis. People kind of raised their eyebrows at the ridiculous comparison
This morning Piers Morgan said the same thing on GMB! How times change
Woke culture has an obvious weakness: One group simply cannot control how another group interprets language. They won't survive.
I keep hearing that it will.collapse under the weight of its hypocrisy, contradictions and ludicrous positions, especially with a global panedmic killing 100,000s of people...instead defund the police, abolish prison and vandalise statues of famous leaders have been mainstream.
Looks like Rhodes Won't Fall in Oriel College, tonight
Good. At some point the mob must be challenged, and pushed back
I understand Oriel have a Very Large (£100m) donation hanging on their decision.
Why would anyone try and leave a legacy as a philanthropist if they are going to be removed from history on a whim at a later date?
The rather wet Provost at the time this last came up (an ex civil servant) was hopeless and lost a lot of goodwill with old college members.
Hopefully the current Provost won't make the same mistake.
Ex-chaplain Nigel Biggar might have something to say (if he isn't a non-person by now).
You underestimate the emotional power of this strange, Dianas-death-like western spasm.
Everyone at Oriel will move in a world of liberal-left pieties, this is academe. They will have friends and colleagues on social media screaming at them to "do the right thing". Anyone who wants the statue kept will be terrified of speaking out, in case they get cancelled. Careers are ending around the world on this issue.
It would be hard enough for a private company to resist this intense pressure, but an Oxford college, with all its angry students and professors, seeking approval from their peers?
I predict they will yield, or they will quietly let some hoons do it for them
It's Karma of a sort after their disdain for Mrs Thatcher.
BTW has anyone consulted Oriel's distinguished fellows Newman, Keble and Pusey on the matter? Or will Keble College and Pusey House be razed to the ground anyway.
There is of course a 'Destroy Keble' society. Membership fee - one brick.
Oriel wasn't terribly liberal left in the recent past, but it might be now, I don't know.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
I hope than far more people than Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this - skin colour is irrelevant (as always) - and I think they will - Starmer is a poseur. He`s reminding me of that prize bell-end Trudeau.
It does look a bit ... well you know.
But it does not imo insult other minorities. An attack by Conservative Asian politicians along those lines would be poor form. As others have said, the main point is policies to address the issue. If they are not forthcoming the charge would indeed be "poseur" and it would be merited. But I hope Labour under Starmer WILL have such policies. Jury is out on whether he is serious about the equality agenda or will seek to downplay it for perceived electoral reasons.
Ah the good old leftie double standards on display. You were telling Casino earlier he should be more careful because their was a perception that his guest analogy could be racist.
Now you are telling MaxPB who is saying what Starmer said could be seen as racist that he shouldn't be saying that.
Make up your mind is racism in the eye of the beholder or not?
I was not "telling" either of them anything.
As opposed to all those people who keep "telling" me what the left think.
You were the one uttering the words, I can only go by what you say to work out how you think. Not my fault you act like a leftwing stereotype
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
I think one thing is clear, the culture war has crossed the Atlantic and is now here and in full, Brexit started it, these events have accelerated it.
Which ironically is more likely to turn Britain from a pretty non racist county into one very much more divided along racial lines such as America is. Before anyone jumps on that I am not saying there is no racism here I am saying that compared to that I saw when I was in the states we are actually a damn sight better.
A racialised culture war that seems to attack British identity at its root is probably THE one way you might get a powerful far right party in the UK. Not UKIP, something much closer to the FN in France.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
It’s not just misogyny. It’s dismissing women’s experiences or views or telling them what they should think. I see Daniel Radcliffe has climbed on the latest bandwagon and is busy telling women that he knows better than them what they should feel. Honestly, if men want to respect women, they should shut up for a bit and listen to them not talk at them.
Yeh but those kinda blokes don;t get any. They are sniggered at by the jerk boys and cheating barstewards knee deep in all the girls.
I can't get excited about statues - seriously. The only one I can think of in my locality is the Champions Statue in Upton Park which features Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters and Ray Wilson. Only Hurst remains with us of course.
The team has moved to Stratford but the statue is still alongside the Barking Road near where the old Upton Park stood.
As for bending the knee, again, I can't get too excited about that either. If you want to do it, fine, if you don't or can't, equally fine.
Six councillors from the previous ruling group have quit the party and formed their own United Spelthorne Group. They include the leader, deputy leader and three Cabinet members.
Spelthorne Council now has 17 Conservatives, 8 Liberal Democrats, 6 United Spelthorne Group, 4 Labour, 2 Green and 2 Independent
Highly unusual for a Group and a Council Leader, Deputy Leader, plus three Cabinet members, to defect from their backbenchers. Bizarre.
I've had a couple of very interesting private 1:1 conversations this afternoon.
Emerging finding: there's a delta between the left-wing/activist/momentum supporting minorities - who tend to be younger students, journalists, or in academia or active in left-wing politics - and those who are professionals with an established career in the private or public sector.
Basically, there's a frustration that because they can find minorities in the former category some white people are assuming they speak for all of them.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
I am hoping Biden doesn't make same mistake.
But why did the Rust Belt not take HER seriously?
Here's a thought....just maybe its because she referred to them as a basket of deplorables?
Respect is earnt not demanded and she got her comeuppance. I dislike Trump intensely. I despise Hilary much more but then I had a friend I gamed with that died in Benghazi and I hold her responsible
During Attlee's so-called left-wing government from 1945 to 1951, capital punishment was not abolished. That's a hanging offence in my book.
Wilson was PM at a time when gays were prosecuted, there was capital punishment and abortion was always a crime. In the eyes of the Taliban Tendency Hitler Youth that is surely enough.
Don't start on the fact that anti semitism was pretty routine at least until the 1930s.
And that Shakespeare wrote a play glorifying paedophilia. Look out Romeo.
Woke culture has an obvious weakness: One group simply cannot control how another group interprets language. They won't survive.
I keep hearing that it will.collapse under the weight of its hypocrisy, contradictions and ludicrous positions, especially with a global panedmic killing 100,000s of people...instead defund the police, abolish prison and vandalise statues of famous leaders have been mainstream.
Is it possible that you're getting a little bit hyperbolic about all this? Defund the police, abolish prison, vandalise statues have not become mainstream at all; they are obsessions of a very small minority of radicals.
Reforming the police, reforming prisons and reducing the prison population, and having a proper debate on how we celebrate (or not) our heritage seem to me, however, to be perfectly legitimate topics for those interested in social change for the better.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
I'm NOT confident at all. See my earlier post. I believe all of western civilisation is in relative decline (including dear old Scotland, I am afraid). I fear the decline could become absolute.
This BLM madness is more of a symptom than a cause of the decline. We have lost our self esteem and now abase ourselves before increasingly cranky ideologies.
Meanwhile, China rises, with none of our neuroses.
It certainly helps China. They can point to the west and say see this is why we must have security laws, why extremists must be re-educated and why are managed capitalism is the superior system to the declining fat, lazy and divided West.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Attlee was a bit racist too. Can we tear him down?
Boudica had her troops slaughter an estimated 70,000, many after torture or mutilation, and probably had slaves of her own. Yet her statue stands outside parliament.
Few are as good as they seem, and we may as well abolish statues period.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Attlee was a bit racist too. Can we tear him down?
Boudica had her troops slaughter an estimated 70,000, many after torture or mutilation, and probably had slaves of her own. Yet her statue stands outside parliament.
Few are as good as they seem, and we may as well abolish statues period.
Aethelflaed massacred loads of Welsh people. Burn that statue in Tamworth!
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
I'm NOT confident at all. See my earlier post. I believe all of western civilisation is in relative decline (including dear old Scotland, I am afraid). I fear the decline could become absolute.
This BLM madness is more of a symptom than a cause of the decline. We have lost our self esteem and now abase ourselves before increasingly cranky ideologies.
Meanwhile, China rises, with none of our neuroses.
From this perspective, what the West needs is to acquire a Russian backbone.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
I can't get excited about statues - seriously. The only one I can think of in my locality is the Champions Statue in Upton Park which features Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters and Ray Wilson. Only Hurst remains with us of course.
The team has moved to Stratford but the statue is still alongside the Barking Road near where the old Upton Park stood.
As for bending the knee, again, I can't get too excited about that either. If you want to do it, fine, if you don't or can't, equally fine.
Six councillors from the previous ruling group have quit the party and formed their own United Spelthorne Group. They include the leader, deputy leader and three Cabinet members.
Spelthorne Council now has 17 Conservatives, 8 Liberal Democrats, 6 United Spelthorne Group, 4 Labour, 2 Green and 2 Independent
Highly unusual for a Group and a Council Leader, Deputy Leader, plus three Cabinet members, to defect from their backbenchers. Bizarre.
Spelthorne Tory politics is way beyond bizarre....
It’s not just misogyny. It’s dismissing women’s experiences or views or telling them what they should think. I see Daniel Radcliffe has climbed on the latest bandwagon and is busy telling women that he knows better than them what they should feel. Honestly, if men want to respect women, they should shut up for a bit and listen to them not talk at them.
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Attlee was a bit racist too. Can we tear him down?
Boudica had her troops slaughter an estimated 70,000, many after torture or mutilation, and probably had slaves of her own. Yet her statue stands outside parliament.
Few are as good as they seem, and we may as well abolish statues period.
Aethelflaed massacred loads of Welsh people. Burn that statue in Tamworth!
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
Amazing how fast we have gone from well it was ok to override the public consultation decision in Bristol and have a the mob to rip down statue of a slave trader to get rid of Churchill.
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
"In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa."
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
There is now a list of 60 statues that are unacceptable apparently.
You have to wonder why a lot of them are on the list. Some are simply military commanders.
You have answered you own question.
I assume Nelson has got to go, too?
I believe the rule is everybody now has to go, unless they were a Marxist, then we can excuse them.
No, I think you have to be a black Marxist
BTW they want Harold Wilson gone as well. No joke. Well, it might have been a joke but it's now become serious
Attlee was a bit racist too. Can we tear him down?
Boudica had her troops slaughter an estimated 70,000, many after torture or mutilation, and probably had slaves of her own. Yet her statue stands outside parliament.
Few are as good as they seem, and we may as well abolish statues period.
Aethelflaed massacred loads of Welsh people. Burn that statue in Tamworth!
Yes, but did she do anything really bad?
I don’t know. They tended not to be big on statues in those times. Most of the old Roman ones had already been smashed. So I’m guessing she hadn’t put up any statues to Peada.
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
Amazing how fast we have gone from well it was ok to override the public consultation decision in Bristol and have a the mob to rip down statue of a slave trader to get rid of Churchill.
Entirely predictable, however. Convulsions like this accelerate very quickly: see previous iconoclasms.
To keep proving your purity, and remain part of the in-crowd (and thus avoid any risk of cancellation) greater and wilder gestures must constantly be made. The mob has a life and purpose of its own and surrendering to it is like feeding a fire, rather than feeding a lion.
But they do also fizzle out as peak insanity is reached. See the Death of Robespierre in the French Terror.
Speaking for myself I hope it fizzles out a long time before peak insanity. Thats too much blood and death for my liking. I however expect things to escalate and for them to move on from statues
The Local Government Association's (LGA) Labour group has also announced that Labour councils across England and Wales are to review "the appropriateness" of monuments and statues in their towns and cities.
Pleased to report Mrs PtP back from hospital and looks to be well on the way to recovery. My thanks for the concern and kindness of numerous PB posters.
Looks like Rhodes Won't Fall in Oriel College, tonight
Good. At some point the mob must be challenged, and pushed back
I understand Oriel have a Very Large (£100m) donation hanging on their decision.
Why would anyone try and leave a legacy as a philanthropist if they are going to be removed from history on a whim at a later date?
The rather wet Provost at the time this last came up (an ex civil servant) was hopeless and lost a lot of goodwill with old college members.
Hopefully the current Provost won't make the same mistake.
Ex-chaplain Nigel Biggar might have something to say (if he isn't a non-person by now).
You underestimate the emotional power of this strange, Dianas-death-like western spasm.
Everyone at Oriel will move in a world of liberal-left pieties, this is academe. They will have friends and colleagues on social media screaming at them to "do the right thing". Anyone who wants the statue kept will be terrified of speaking out, in case they get cancelled. Careers are ending around the world on this issue.
It would be hard enough for a private company to resist this intense pressure, but an Oxford college, with all its angry students and professors, seeking approval from their peers?
I predict they will yield, or they will quietly let some hoons do it for them
It's Karma of a sort after their disdain for Mrs Thatcher.
BTW has anyone consulted Oriel's distinguished fellows Newman, Keble and Pusey on the matter? Or will Keble College and Pusey House be razed to the ground anyway.
Not Pusey House any more - it's become Linacre College.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
"In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa."
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
Well would it not then also be almost impossible for more blacks to kill other blacks than whites to kill blacks. Seeing as they are outnumbered 5/1 and all.
Of course you would be completely wrong in that assumption, because black on black crime is rampant and almost out of control, something that is completely ignored by black lives matter.
Pleased to report Mrs PtP back from hospital and looks to be well on the way to recovery. My thanks for the concern and kindness of numerous PB posters.
Pleased to report Mrs PtP back from hospital and looks to be well on the way to recovery. My thanks for the concern and kindness of numerous PB posters.
I was not aware, but best wishes for a speedy recovery.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
It’s not just misogyny. It’s dismissing women’s experiences or views or telling them what they should think. I see Daniel Radcliffe has climbed on the latest bandwagon and is busy telling women that he knows better than them what they should feel. Honestly, if men want to respect women, they should shut up for a bit and listen to them not talk at them.
Pleased to report Mrs PtP back from hospital and looks to be well on the way to recovery. My thanks for the concern and kindness of numerous PB posters.
Looks like Rhodes Won't Fall in Oriel College, tonight
Good. At some point the mob must be challenged, and pushed back
I understand Oriel have a Very Large (£100m) donation hanging on their decision.
Why would anyone try and leave a legacy as a philanthropist if they are going to be removed from history on a whim at a later date?
The rather wet Provost at the time this last came up (an ex civil servant) was hopeless and lost a lot of goodwill with old college members.
Hopefully the current Provost won't make the same mistake.
Ex-chaplain Nigel Biggar might have something to say (if he isn't a non-person by now).
You underestimate the emotional power of this strange, Dianas-death-like western spasm.
Everyone at Oriel will move in a world of liberal-left pieties, this is academe. They will have friends and colleagues on social media screaming at them to "do the right thing". Anyone who wants the statue kept will be terrified of speaking out, in case they get cancelled. Careers are ending around the world on this issue.
It would be hard enough for a private company to resist this intense pressure, but an Oxford college, with all its angry students and professors, seeking approval from their peers?
I predict they will yield, or they will quietly let some hoons do it for them
It's Karma of a sort after their disdain for Mrs Thatcher.
BTW has anyone consulted Oriel's distinguished fellows Newman, Keble and Pusey on the matter? Or will Keble College and Pusey House be razed to the ground anyway.
Not Pusey House any more - it's become Linacre College.
Looks like Rhodes Won't Fall in Oriel College, tonight
Good. At some point the mob must be challenged, and pushed back
I understand Oriel have a Very Large (£100m) donation hanging on their decision.
Why would anyone try and leave a legacy as a philanthropist if they are going to be removed from history on a whim at a later date?
The rather wet Provost at the time this last came up (an ex civil servant) was hopeless and lost a lot of goodwill with old college members.
Hopefully the current Provost won't make the same mistake.
Ex-chaplain Nigel Biggar might have something to say (if he isn't a non-person by now).
You underestimate the emotional power of this strange, Dianas-death-like western spasm.
Everyone at Oriel will move in a world of liberal-left pieties, this is academe. They will have friends and colleagues on social media screaming at them to "do the right thing". Anyone who wants the statue kept will be terrified of speaking out, in case they get cancelled. Careers are ending around the world on this issue.
It would be hard enough for a private company to resist this intense pressure, but an Oxford college, with all its angry students and professors, seeking approval from their peers?
I predict they will yield, or they will quietly let some hoons do it for them
It's Karma of a sort after their disdain for Mrs Thatcher.
BTW has anyone consulted Oriel's distinguished fellows Newman, Keble and Pusey on the matter? Or will Keble College and Pusey House be razed to the ground anyway.
Not Pusey House any more - it's become Linacre College.
Are you sure of that?
Quite right to ask. Senior moment. I was thinking of St Cross College.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
"In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa."
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
Well would it not then also be almost impossible for more blacks to kill other blacks than whites to kill blacks. Seeing as they are outnumbered 5/1 and all.
Of course you would be completely wrong in that assumption, because black on black crime is rampant and almost out of control, something that is completely ignored by black lives matter.
My point is that it's not exactly a killer argument to say that more white people are killed by blacks than vice versa.
If a black killer kills indiscriminately, there is a 15% chance he'll kill a black person and a 75% chance he'll kill a white person.
That's just a consequence of relative population numbers.
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
If I were the BNP I'd be praying for a Churchill statue to come down.
So unfortunately will Trump, he wants a culture war more than anything to win the rustbelt again.
I doubt it would boost the BNP much though, most voters will not got that far, it would keep the white working class firmly in the Tory column however with a few heading to Farage and the Brexit Party
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
"In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa."
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
That's one of the more bizarre comments I've ever read.
At the extreme it would have made it impossible for the Hutus to kill more Tutsis or the Germans to kill more Jews than vice versa.
But throughout history the tendency is for the majority to do more violence to the minority.
Could this revolution possibly devour its children? I hope it does so before burning the Bodleian and Cambridge University Library to the ground rather than after.
It's gone way beyond BLM, it is now about vandalising all of British history, and trying to make white Britons feel guilty for simply being British. It is an attempt to deconstruct our identity, driven by a weird ragbag or anarchists, Marxists, greens, and Remainers (really, check the FBPE people egging this on).
Fuck them, I hate them, we have to fight back.
The Great Replacement, whether by the Muslamics or the Woke, seems to be a deep, nagging insecurity for the white (mostly male) right. Why are you so unconfident in your culture's ability to survive?
Er its not that mate. Sod culture. Its the retribution coming our way.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
"In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa."
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
Well would it not then also be almost impossible for more blacks to kill other blacks than whites to kill blacks. Seeing as they are outnumbered 5/1 and all.
Of course you would be completely wrong in that assumption, because black on black crime is rampant and almost out of control, something that is completely ignored by black lives matter.
My point is that it's not exactly a killer argument to say that more white people are killed by blacks than vice versa.
If a black killer kills indiscriminately, there is a 15% chance he'll kill a black person and a 75% chance he'll kill a white person.
That's just a consequence of relative population numbers.
Is it not however true that serial killers and spree killers seem to be a white male disease? So killing indiscriminately is unlikely?
Not a huge fan of the government's handling of the crisis post Durhamgate and I too would come out against the stupidity of the hoi poloi rather than the shortcomings of government. So I am not entirely sure how this poll helps.
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
This is how the Woke will win. They will make it impossible for the college to function (pandemic aside), the reputation will be trashed around the world for those who don't get the nuance.
I bet he will come down and the mob will move on to the next: the Winston Churchill mural in Croydon?
If I were the BNP I'd be praying for a Churchill statue to come down.
how long b4 the white working class have had enough.. this could get very nasty indeed
Especially with furlough.
Million hanging around doing nothing.
I was more thinking that the Get Britain out of the EU mob/ control immigration too are not going to be happy with 3%??? of the population dictating what happens.. especially when hard left loons are in the equation too.. I can see nasty times ahead. When you start removing stuff because you don't like it, the WWC may well be underwhelmed by what is going on.
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.
FFS! “We kneel with all those opposing racism by whomever it is committed and against whomever” is what needs to be said.
And when are women going to get a look in in this identity Top Trumps game? Or is misogyny against women - even when committed by black men, say, just not important any more?
I think misogyny is a massive issue and the most "denied".
For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
Nope. She didn't listen to her husband and take rural and rustbelt white voters seriously. I guess thinking they had nowhere else to go.
I am hoping Biden doesn't make same mistake.
But why did the Rust Belt not take HER seriously?
Here's a thought....just maybe its because she referred to them as a basket of deplorables?
Respect is earnt not demanded and she got her comeuppance. I dislike Trump intensely. I despise Hilary much more but then I had a friend I gamed with that died in Benghazi and I hold her responsible
More Americans voted for Crooked Hillary than for Dickhead Donald.
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For example it is indisputably why Hillary Clinton is not POTUS.
Misogyny gave us Trump.
I am hoping Biden doesn't make same mistake.
As opposed to all those people who keep "telling" me what the left think.
There's a sane way through this, but first people need to start acting sane.
If they switch to any party it will likely be the LDs if we go to a hard Brexit and it turns out badly
Woke culture has an obvious weakness: One group simply cannot control how another group interprets language. They won't survive.
This morning Piers Morgan said the same thing on GMB! How times change
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0306396818779864
Better get rid of any trace of his tarnished legacy, just in case, right?
So much for the NHS!
Right now it's the real world which seems less likely to make it.
I can't get excited about statues - seriously. The only one I can think of in my locality is the Champions Statue in Upton Park which features Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Martin Peters and Ray Wilson. Only Hurst remains with us of course.
The team has moved to Stratford but the statue is still alongside the Barking Road near where the old Upton Park stood.
As for bending the knee, again, I can't get too excited about that either. If you want to do it, fine, if you don't or can't, equally fine.
Perhaps of more immediate interest:
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/conservative-party-spelthorne-borough-council-18391447
Six councillors from the previous ruling group have quit the party and formed their own United Spelthorne Group. They include the leader, deputy leader and three Cabinet members.
Spelthorne Council now has 17 Conservatives, 8 Liberal Democrats, 6 United Spelthorne Group, 4 Labour, 2 Green and 2 Independent
Ditched Trump and gone superwoke.
Why do I still loathe him?
Oriel wasn't terribly liberal left in the recent past, but it might be now, I don't know.
You are this close to being cancelled.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1270358722825596930
theres a kernel of likelihood to this point.
But, it's much harder for protesters to get at as well.
Emerging finding: there's a delta between the left-wing/activist/momentum supporting minorities - who tend to be younger students, journalists, or in academia or active in left-wing politics - and those who are professionals with an established career in the private or public sector.
Basically, there's a frustration that because they can find minorities in the former category some white people are assuming they speak for all of them.
They don't.
Respect is earnt not demanded and she got her comeuppance. I dislike Trump intensely. I despise Hilary much more but then I had a friend I gamed with that died in Benghazi and I hold her responsible
Don't start on the fact that anti semitism was pretty routine at least until the 1930s.
And that Shakespeare wrote a play glorifying paedophilia. Look out Romeo.
Reforming the police, reforming prisons and reducing the prison population, and having a proper debate on how we celebrate (or not) our heritage seem to me, however, to be perfectly legitimate topics for those interested in social change for the better.
Few are as good as they seem, and we may as well abolish statues period.
The OJ Simpson trial suggested black people are more than happy to tolerate murder when race is a factor.
In the states more whites are killed by blacks than vice versa. That's with racist white cop forces protecting them.
Minneapolis is getting rid of that protection. Or 'open season on whites' as its otherwise known.
Million hanging around doing nothing.
You do realise that as there are a lot more whites than blacks that's basically inevitable, right? That's simple mathematics. It's almost impossible, when whites outnumber blacks 5-to-1, for whites to kill more blacks, than vice-versa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hC5nXXJrV8
Well would it not then also be almost impossible for more blacks to kill other blacks than whites to kill blacks. Seeing as they are outnumbered 5/1 and all.
Of course you would be completely wrong in that assumption, because black on black crime is rampant and almost out of control, something that is completely ignored by black lives matter.
https://www.10news.com/news/peta-cow-s-milk-a-symbol-of-white-supremacy
If a black killer kills indiscriminately, there is a 15% chance he'll kill a black person and a 75% chance he'll kill a white person.
That's just a consequence of relative population numbers.
I doubt it would boost the BNP much though, most voters will not got that far, it would keep the white working class firmly in the Tory column however with a few heading to Farage and the Brexit Party
At the extreme it would have made it impossible for the Hutus to kill more Tutsis or the Germans to kill more Jews than vice versa.
But throughout history the tendency is for the majority to do more violence to the minority.