That is by far the most impressive performance I've seen from Priti Patel, perhaps precisely because she is able to be personal. She should try it more often. It suits her.
It does indeed. I am beginning to have a sneaking admiration for her - despite the many fair criticisms that can be made of her.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
As a generalisation, Black and Muslim voters tend to break heavily in favour of Labour. According to the ethnic breakdown estimates on Newham council's own website, the cumulative total of voters identifying as black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi is two-and-a-half times that of those identifying as Indian.
Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
How will the use of the Dublin dodge to avoid quarantine be policed against British citizens who travel from Britain to the Republic of Ireland, fly somewhere far away, fly back to Ireland, and then return to Britain a few hours later, for example overland? "Trusting people to do the right thing" would be a joke, surely?
Ms Sultana is of course no stranger to discrimination....as in her being the one doing the discriminating...white people and jews haven't been her favourites over the years.
To be fair she was about 22 when she said all that.
If we were all judged by what we said when we were 22 we'd be in prison.
I'd be in prison for stuff I said last week, if it got out.
If it was just that, but it isn't. Within the past few months she tweeted a video in solidarity with Palestinian "political prisoners", one was in jail for slaughtering six Jewish students.
I think it is more that she isn't very bright, but still.
Watching Priti Patel bitchslap Zarah Sultana was impressive.
It was also very funny.
She can turn on the style when she wants, can’t she?
I'm not a Priti Patel fan, but that was a proper bollocking of the Labour Party this afternoon, more of that and I may have to change my mind about her.
Such prejudices do exist. The only racial trouble at Fox jrs school was between Hindu and Muslims, and some of my Hindu colleagues can be very Islamophobic.
If you want to see Islamophobia spend some time with officers in the Indian Army.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
There are many Tamils and Sikhs in Newham and yet this is a Labour stronghold. What happens of course is wealth or the accumulation of wealth allows people of all colours and creeds the opportunity to move to "better" areas and to take on different voting patterns and habits.
Perhaps why the app is taking so long to roll out?
The other Mr Rook informs me that the test and trace app trial flopped in part because they only had five cases to work with.
In a declining pandemic, small island communities are likely to achieve outright eradication of a disease well ahead of large countries. This stands to reason. As both disease suppression measures take effect and the number of immune individuals rises, so it's far more likely in a small population that the number of carriers will decline to zero, rather than bubbling along at a persistent low level.
It's not impossible that the Isle of Wight could, if the Government gives it the discretion to do so, follow the example of Guernsey and end lockdown - at the cost of quarantining itself from the mainland. But those sorts of decisions are still some distance down the road.
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
As a generalisation, Black and Muslim voters tend to break heavily in favour of Labour. According to the ethnic breakdown estimates on Newham council's own website, the cumulative total of voters identifying as black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi is two-and-a-half times that of those identifying as Indian.
Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
It used to be said that the Conservatives had a fundamental problem with ethnic minorities, such that they'd effectively eventually demographically time out.
I no longer think that's the case. I think there's lots of reasons they might want to support the Conservatives and they're similar to everyone else.
Such prejudices do exist. The only racial trouble at Fox jrs school was between Hindu and Muslims, and some of my Hindu colleagues can be very Islamophobic.
If you want to see Islamophobia spend some time with officers in the Indian Army.
But Ms. Sultana is a Muslim saying another Muslim, Ms. Mirza, is "terrible".
Such prejudices do exist. The only racial trouble at Fox jrs school was between Hindu and Muslims, and some of my Hindu colleagues can be very Islamophobic.
If you want to see Islamophobia spend some time with officers in the Indian Army.
If you want to see Hinduphobia, wander through a number of Muslim countries.
When I was in the oil business, we had quite a lot of... un-watered down people coming to work in the head office people. People who hadn't had their prejudices ground down a bit by x years in a western university.
I still remember the chap who with, all sincerity gave me a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion......
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
As a generalisation, Black and Muslim voters tend to break heavily in favour of Labour. According to the ethnic breakdown estimates on Newham council's own website, the cumulative total of voters identifying as black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi is two-and-a-half times that of those identifying as Indian.
Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
It used to be said that the Conservatives had a fundamental problem with ethnic minorities, such that they'd effectively eventually demographically time out.
I no longer think that's the case. I think there's lots of reasons they might want to support the Conservatives and they're similar to everyone else.
Mrs Thatcher had a big role in BAME voter recruitment IMO. Before that I think the party was probably seen as actively hostile towards minority people as the "party of the empire". I know it was under Mrs Thatcher that my dad joined the party and he didn't feel he would be welcome before that.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
Some data. The Muslim Labour vote sticks out a mile among the figures. see p 8 of this:
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
Such prejudices do exist. The only racial trouble at Fox jrs school was between Hindu and Muslims, and some of my Hindu colleagues can be very Islamophobic.
If you want to see Islamophobia spend some time with officers in the Indian Army.
If you want to see Hinduphobia, wander through a number of Muslim countries.
A couple of years back, TSE made a bet that if Kohli failed to get a century he would eat a pineapple pizza.
Kohli was out the following over.
Many comments were made on the subject of Hindus. None of them were noticeably complimentary...
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
As a generalisation, Black and Muslim voters tend to break heavily in favour of Labour. According to the ethnic breakdown estimates on Newham council's own website, the cumulative total of voters identifying as black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi is two-and-a-half times that of those identifying as Indian.
Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
It used to be said that the Conservatives had a fundamental problem with ethnic minorities, such that they'd effectively eventually demographically time out.
I no longer think that's the case. I think there's lots of reasons they might want to support the Conservatives and they're similar to everyone else.
I think that was an argument lazily borrowed from America, where whites will be in a minority in a few decades. Doesn't apply here.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped for posturing effect only into the actual language that's being used. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Earlier this year RCS posted something to the effect that it was important Trump won so that he and the Republican Party would have to clear up the mess they had created. I could see where he was coming from but on reflection I think that is wrong. When you have a bad President, you really have to get rid of him, and the sooner the better.
It's fortunate that he has done nothing utterly catastrophic for the USA and the World in general. He hasn't triggered a nuclear war, for example. I'm not sure he wouldn't do something like that in his second term.
I agree with you. It's very important he is not given another term, whatever Biden's limitations.
I think RCS has now changed his view and thinks it's crucial for the US constitution that he loses this time.
Excellent!
Now all he has to do is change his mind on Brexit and he will become a respectable poster once more.
I hesitate to mention in, but there was just one other minor matter...
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
I call Channel 4 News "Guardian Television." For better and worse, it's been like that for a very long time.
Ms Sultana is of course no stranger to discrimination....as in her being the one doing the discriminating...white people and jews haven't been her favourites over the years.
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
I call Channel 4 News "Guardian Television." For better and worse, it's been like that for a very long time.
Thats rather unfair on the Guardian....they aren't anywhere near as left wing or right on as CH4 news.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped into the actual language that's being used for posturing effect only. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Eh, it's only few words and phrases they would seem to insist upon, I cannot see the harm to go along with it even if it doesn't really make any more sense than us calling Merkel the Bundeskanzler.
Ms Sultana is of course no stranger to discrimination....as in her being the one doing the discriminating...white people and jews haven't been her favourites over the years.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped into the actual language that's being used for posturing effect only. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Eh, it's only few words and phrases they would seem to insist upon, I cannot see the harm to go along with it even if it doesn't really make any more sense than us calling Merkel the Bundeskanzler.
It's insulting to people who really do use Irish as a living language.
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
I call Channel 4 News "Guardian Television." For better and worse, it's been like that for a very long time.
I started religiously watching Channel 4 News in about 1990 when I was still at primary school, and at that time it only had a very slight left-wing bias. You didn't notice it unless you watched the programme every day for a long time. It was already being presented by Jon Snow, usually with Zeinab Badawi. (I've still got some shows on VHS video cassettes, since my hobby at that time was recording news programmes).
Ms Sultana is of course no stranger to discrimination....as in her being the one doing the discriminating...white people and jews haven't been her favourites over the years.
Andrew Neil has a bit of an interview with one of the Minneapolis city council members who are disbanding the police.
Listen to her answer when CNN ask what people should so if someone breaks into their home and there are no police to call.
That, apparently is a question that doesn't really need an answer, because it is a question that comes from a person's white privilege.
I can foresee a similar situation here...as Brexit passes, the new battleground along the same lines will be woke-ism. The old and the white working class not onboard vs the urban and the young thinking it is the most important issue (along side climate change), a prism through which every political decision much be filtered.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped into the actual language that's being used for posturing effect only. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Eh, it's only few words and phrases they would seem to insist upon, I cannot see the harm to go along with it even if it doesn't really make any more sense than us calling Merkel the Bundeskanzler.
It's insulting to people who really do use Irish as a living language.
I hadn't considered that approach, but on that basis would you consider use of expressions like, say, Esprit de corps, to be an insult to french speakers?
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped into the actual language that's being used for posturing effect only. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Eh, it's only few words and phrases they would seem to insist upon, I cannot see the harm to go along with it even if it doesn't really make any more sense than us calling Merkel the Bundeskanzler.
It's insulting to people who really do use Irish as a living language.
I hadn't considered that approach, but on that basis would you consider use of expressions like, say, Esprit de corps, to be an insult to french speakers?
The attempt to make Norman French the first language has failed. It’s time to expunge French words from our vocabulary.
The UK wasn't even in the top 10 for deaths today. Lower than Italy, maybe lower than Spain (we can't know because they are now openly lying in Madrid)
It's worth a very modest cheer, in all the bad news.
The bad news is these foolish protests are the worst way of accelerating a 2nd wave, and a 2nd wave looks quite likely
I have it on good authority that if there's a 2nd wave it will have nothing to do with the protests - it'll be because Dominic Cummings stopped for a Ginsters Cornish Pasty on his way back from Durham. And a calippo for the sprog. Selfish country-wrecking bastard.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
The way "Asian" people are lumped together as if they were a coherent entity on any basis apart from originating in Asia, is ludicrous. Just look at the geographical spread!
Andrew Neil has a bit of an interview with one of the Minneapolis city council members who are disbanding the police.
Listen to her answer when CNN ask what people should so if someone breaks into their home and there are no police to call.
That, apparently is a question that doesn't really need an answer, because it is a question that comes from a person's white privilege.
I can foresee a similar situation here...as Brexit passes, the new battleground along the same lines will be woke-ism. The old and the white working class not onboard vs the urban and the young thinking it is the most important issue (along side climate change), a prism through which every political decision much be filtered.
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order in Minneapolis.
Simply to ask what the arrangements after the police are gone stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped for posturing effect only into the actual language that's being used. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
One can forgive the Irish for a little sentimental attachment to Irish Gaelic, given the way it has been destroyed by the English tongue: by law, by conquest, and by the sheer bad luck of being born right next to the world's most successful language.
Ditto Scots Gaelic.
All this just makes the achievement of the Welsh more incredible. I heard a few people talking Welsh in very Anglicized Penarth. Amazing, really
That's nothing, I've even heard Gaelic spoken in very Anglicized Portree. Only the once mind.
The UK wasn't even in the top 10 for deaths today. Lower than Italy, maybe lower than Spain (we can't know because they are now openly lying in Madrid)
It's worth a very modest cheer, in all the bad news.
The bad news is these foolish protests are the worst way of accelerating a 2nd wave, and a 2nd wave looks quite likely
The probability of a second wave depends very much on which scientists you believe - but yes, if it is going to happen then one can only assume that mass gatherings of this kind are hardly going to help.
They're also the final nail in the coffin of lockdown, at least for private citizens. Forget about Durhamgate: how, for example, the police are plausibly meant to chastise a group of a dozen young lads from different households playing football in the local park, when they refused to break up a succession of marches by many thousands of people, Lord alone knows.
(FWIW I think the public order challenges that confronted the police demanded that they let the demos happen as the lesser of two evils, but nonetheless the moral authority of the powers that be to demand continued obeisance to social distancing rules is now completely shot. Businesses will still need to be scrupulous in their adherence but private individuals will do whatever feels right to them.)
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
Some data. The Muslim Labour vote sticks out a mile among the figures. see p 8 of this:
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
Some evidence backing up the idea of a seasonal effect.
Effect of Environmental Conditions on SARS-CoV-2 Stability in Human Nasal Mucus and Sputum https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2267_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM30183 We found that environmental conditions affect the stability of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in nasal mucus and sputum. The virus is more stable at low-temperature and low-humidity conditions, whereas warmer temperature and higher humidity shortened half-life. Although infectious virus was undetectable after 48 hours, viral RNA remained detectable for 7 days
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
I agree about Hindus, and the Tories have made significant progress in that community when they made the effort - Anna Soubry won them over big time in Broxtowe after becoming MP by frequently visiting the temple, supporting them against local racists, and other good things. Most older Muslims and Sikhs are still Labour in my experience. With young people it's anyone's guess anyway (which is, really,. as it should be).
Andrew Neil has a bit of an interview with one of the Minneapolis city council members who are disbanding the police.
Listen to her answer when CNN ask what people should so if someone breaks into their home and there are no police to call.
That, apparently is a question that doesn't really need an answer, because it is a question that comes from a person's white privilege.
I can foresee a similar situation here...as Brexit passes, the new battleground along the same lines will be woke-ism. The old and the white working class not onboard vs the urban and the young thinking it is the most important issue (along side climate change), a prism through which every political decision much be filtered.
Fortunately, the unwoke outnumber the woke.
I hope you're right, but they're letting the argument go by default at the moment, mostly I think because they're afraid of harassment.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
Sikhs are the least politically diverse ethnicity I have canvassed.
I am normally quite sympathetic to Ch 4 News but tonight they went over the top. The entire programme was on the theme that British society was racist. Virtually every question to BAME interviewees was is British society racist. Even Bishop Rose of Dover, a black women, was forced into saying it was. A black female bishop of the Church of England?
Channel 4 News is a partisan station.
Did you see how they only just got round to admitting their attempted smear job (er, 'error') before the General Election?
All of America has seen a pronounced drop in crime (because of ageing, etc). There is no evidence Camden's new approach is reponsible in that particular place.
Moreover, Camden remains one of the most dangerous cities in a dangerous country. It really isn't a very good example, and besides, as I have just shown, the lunatic hardcore of BLM really do want to abolish the cops not just "reform" them
You missed the bit about abolish prisons....the leaders of BLM are openly Marxist, like the people behind extinction rebellion here are political.extremists. Reform of police or some more electric cars won't be enough for them.
Of course those protesting aren't the leadership, but worth pointing out the beliefs of the organizers go far beyond the core mission of the protests.
By the way, the US polls in the next day or two will test Mr Ed's theory that the good jobs data will turn things around for Trump. The latest poll with Biden 14 points clear (which jhas a decent sample size of 1200 for once) is spread over 4 days, only one of them the day the jobs spike was annouced.My guess is that the nonsense with clearing the street of priests so he could prance about with a Bible did him real harm, but that's wear off. I can see the lead returning to 8 or so.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped for posturing effect only into the actual language that's being used. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
Would be easier to take seriously if prime or minister were good Anglo-Saxon words.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
I agree with this. Without getting too technical, what the debate today has been missing is the intersection between ethnicity and class (or socio-economic group if you prefer). You can't look at ethnicity in isolation.
On all the data (earnings, employment, educational achievement, housing etc.) there are distinct difference between ethnic heritage groups linked to class.
So, in modern Britain, on average Chinese and Indians do very well under all indicators - better than white British.
Bangladeshi, Pakistani, and Afro-Caribbean do significantly less well.
On educational achievement alone, the biggest problem now is the underachievement of white working class boys.
It's a really complex story that I think too many over-simplify.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
Sikhs are the least politically diverse ethnicity I have canvassed.
There's Labour, Green and Tory just in Wor Lass' immediate family!
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
Surely no one is taking that seriously. Sounds like a thief or rapists charter to me.
Its meant to be. There are clearly people who will not be happy until ethnic minorities are allowed to do to white people what they believe whites did to blacks in the 19th century.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
As a generalisation, Black and Muslim voters tend to break heavily in favour of Labour. According to the ethnic breakdown estimates on Newham council's own website, the cumulative total of voters identifying as black, Pakistani and Bangladeshi is two-and-a-half times that of those identifying as Indian.
Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
It used to be said that the Conservatives had a fundamental problem with ethnic minorities, such that they'd effectively eventually demographically time out.
I no longer think that's the case. I think there's lots of reasons they might want to support the Conservatives and they're similar to everyone else.
I think a lot of East Europeans would vote Tory too, though Brexit has put them off for a bit.
I think it a positive sign of integration that minorities are voting for a variety of parties. Ethnicity and religious heritage are important, but do not define us in our entirity.
All of America has seen a pronounced drop in crime (because of ageing, etc). There is no evidence Camden's new approach is reponsible in that particular place.
Moreover, Camden remains one of the most dangerous cities in a dangerous country. It really isn't a very good example, and besides, as I have just shown, the lunatic hardcore of BLM really do want to abolish the cops not just "reform" them
Yes, it is a pretty colloidal loss of confidence in the police by the community.
The experience has to be pretty bad in order to think better off rid.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
Some data. The Muslim Labour vote sticks out a mile among the figures. see p 8 of this:
Did my best to try and keep her out of parliament !
Why does No 10 need a policy unit? Does it deal with policy that is different from Conservative Party policy? And do its members of staff get paid out of the public purse? Just wondering......
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimising the discrimination faced by other races, nor would I wish to. What I'm saying is that skin colour is not a bar to success in the UK. There are millions of Asian and Black people in this country who have proved it isn't. I have a lot of time for anyone has suffered from racial discrimination and I've helped many of my friends who are not white with discrimination issues with advice on how best to handle it.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the original intent of the protestors at the moment, the police in the UK are racist towards black people. When I walk down the street and see a black person it just is what it is, for some police when they see a black person they see a potential criminal. Until that attitude is changed the police will always have a problem with racism.
What I have no time for is people wallowing in perpetual victim status. We live in a country where the chancellor and home secretary are BAME and the Mayor of London is BAME that's something to be proud of. As I said yesterday, we've reached a situation where the previous BAME chancellor was replaced with another BAME chancellor. I'm very proud to live in a country where that is possible, I could never see it happen in the US or anywhere in Europe. Not being white is my source of strength, the adversity I faced as a younger person has shaped who I am today, those experiences have made me a more successful person, I don't resent people who hate me for the colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped for posturing effect only into the actual language that's being used. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
I’m impressed by eadric’s sudden expertise in what the replacement for the Minneapolis PD is going to look like - particularly as the city government don’t yet know themselves. What they do know is that they’re no longer going to put up with an out of control PD, who are evidently staffed with a considerable number of criminals themselves. https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1270059322806923264
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
Newham is a poor borough. The population is far more Pakistani or Bangladeshi, than Indian. And, voters of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent vote overwhelmingly Labour.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
I agree about Hindus, and the Tories have made significant progress in that community when they made the effort - Anna Soubry won them over big time in Broxtowe after becoming MP by frequently visiting the temple, supporting them against local racists, and other good things. Most older Muslims and Sikhs are still Labour in my experience. With young people it's anyone's guess anyway (which is, really,. as it should be).
Does anybody have stats for Chinese-Britons? Could be important if lots of Hong Kongers take up Boris's offer.
To be fair, Bristol have had a majority Labour council for all but a few years over the past 50 and an elected mayor to boot. Not sure what their excuse for their inability to make a final decision one way or another on for instance the wording on a new plaque is.
How many years worth of meetings do you really need?
The whole point of elected democracy is they take soundings and implement a solution.
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
Surely no one is taking that seriously. Sounds like a thief or rapists charter to me.
Its meant to be. There are clearly people who will not be happy until ethnic minorities are allowed to do to white people what they believe whites did to blacks in the 19th century.
All in the context of a society absolutely awash with firearms, many of them of military grade.
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I think, these days, there's far more evidence of those on the Right wanting to move beyond race than those on the Left.
The theory developed by self-declared Marxists was that racial division was a necessary part of capitalism, to divide the working class and prevent the revolution. Therefore racism could only be defeated as part of the revolution.
The capitalist class do appear to have been more flexible in their thinking than the theoretical Marxists.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
Some data. The Muslim Labour vote sticks out a mile among the figures. see p 8 of this:
Indians (and Jews) are the black sheep of the BAME community because we're successful. Asians especially disprove the notion that skin colour is a major contributory factor in personal failure and this is a huge blow to the lefty narrative of grievance among lefty BAME activists out destroying monuments at the moment.
People use the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures and there are very few Asians who will agree with that stance.
The next step is the left minimising racial discrimination and attacks that Asians have faced ever since we arrived in the UK, attacks and discrimination that Priti Patel describes well and that all of us recognise. It is to minimise the fact that millions of Indians were put into indentured servitude after the banning of slavery. It is to minimise the hardships of Indians due to the decisions made by the East India Company.
Asians are an inconvenient truth that the left can't stand and many of them wish we didn't exist as it disrupts their narrative. As I said yesterday, I'm much more likely to change the racist attitude of a BNP fascist than a lefty liberal who loathes my very existence because I don't subscribe to their culture of blame and grievance.
This is completely nonsensical. Look at the US in the early 60s. There was far less discrimination against, e.g., Jews or Italians than there had been in the early 20th century, but that didn't mean there was no racism remaining against other races. Would you then have argued that black people complaining about Jim Crow laws were "using the colour of their skin as a defence mechanism for personal failures"?
As a Jew (on my father's side), the idea that I face the same level of discrimination as a black person in modern Britain is utterly laughable. I can't imagine how self-centred I'd have to persuade myself otherwise on the basis of past persecutions.
I was talking about the UK firstly, and specifically to skin colour I was speaking about Asians. Obviously Jews are not discriminated against because of their skin colour, though discrimination against Jews definitely exists and is as insidious as other forms of racism.
I know you were talking about the UK (and the modern day, not the 1960s). My point though is that the reduction of racism against one race does not indicate that racism against another race has reduced in the same way. The US is an example of that in action.
And yet I've been told countless times by lefty activists about how I should feel about a situation, white lefty liberals telling me that I'm not a "good minority person" or that I'm "a traitor to other minorities" and my personal favourite "people calling you the p-word is nowhere near as bad as people calling a black person the n-word". The last one has been said on three or four separate occasions by different people.
I've experienced racism from many types of people but those who purport to be anti-racists are the worst racists IMO. Tbh, I've got quite a few Jewish friends who agree.
I'm sorry you've experienced that, and I can only say that it doesn't match up to my own experience moving in lefty circles. But none of that justifies or excuses you minimising the discrimination against other races.
How often have you disagreed with the groupthink? That's usually when those sorts of comments come out (and after a lot of wine).
I'm also not minimie colour of my skin, I pity them.
Don't get your comment about "could never see it happening elsewhere".
America just had a BAME president for 8 years.
Ireland had a BAME Taesoich too.
Quite a heroic misspelling of Taoiseach
It annoys the crap out of me when single words from an indigenous language are dropped for posturing effect only into the actual language that's being used. When one is speaking Irish Leo Varadkar is of course the Taoiseach. In English he's the prime minister. It's about time the Irish state recognised that the attempt to make Irish the first language failed.
One can forgive the Irish for a little sentimental attachment to Irish Gaelic, given the way it has been destroyed by the English tongue: by law, by conquest, and by the sheer bad luck of being born right next to the world's most successful language.
Ditto Scots Gaelic.
All this just makes the achievement of the Welsh more incredible. I heard a few people talking Welsh in very Anglicized Penarth. Amazing, really
That's nothing, I've even heard Gaelic spoken in very Anglicized Portree. Only the once mind.
I've also heard Scots Gaelic in a bar in Skye, and also on a Calmac ferry to Harris. It is very moving to hear tiny languages still being spoken (I mean that sincerely, not patronisingly to Scots speakers). Linguistic diversity is generally a good thing (tho a lingua franca like English is also hugely useful, esp if it is your native tongue)
But my point remains, what an amazing achievement by the Welsh to keep their tongue properly alive, not a museum piece like Gaelic in Ireland or Scotland
The achievement of the Jews in completely reviving the entirely dead Hebrew tongue is even more estimable. Apparently the Irish meant to do the same, but they failed. Mazel tov, Israel
Agreed, but for an alternative perspective you should read the novel 'The Ice Twins': it explores how the ubiquity of Scottish Gaelic, in the remote islands, can be psychologically unsettling, even frightening, to an outsider.
What do we know about confirmed or suspected cases of Covid-19 outside of China late last year? Presumably various hospitals will be rooting around in their path labs for preserved tissue samples to re-examine?
Time for another in my occasional series of looking at the European polls.
First off is the INSA poll from Germany which has the Union on 38%, well clear of the Greens on 17.5%, the SPD on 14%, AfD on 10%, Linke on 8.5% and FDP on 6.5%. They'd all get back into the Bundestag on those numbers with a majority for the existing Union-SPD coalition.
We await of course the election of the new CDU Spitzenkandidat for the next election.
Bulgaria next and the latest Alpha Research poll puts GERB, the leading party in the governing coalition on 33% (+3). GERB is led by Prime Minister Borisov and has 95 seats in the 240 seat National Assembly. The opposition BSP are down six points at 19% and into third has come ITN (about whom I know nothing) are now third on 14% with the liberal DPS on 10%.
In Denmark, the ruling Social Democrats continue to enjoy an enormous lead polling at 36%, nearly double that of Venstre on 19% with the People's party falling way back to 6%. The ruling centre-left coalition would be re-elected with a big majority if there were an election on these figures.
Across the Skagerrak, another ruling Social Democrat party is also enjoying a big Covid-19 boost in popularity. Sweden's Social Democrats are on 34% (+9) with the opposition Moderates on 20% (+2) and a big fall for the Sweden Democrats to 17% (-6).
In Spain, the revival of the fortunes of the centre-right PP continues but they remain three points behind PSOE (28-25), VOX, who were challenging PP for secind not so long ago, are back on 11% with United Podemos on 10.5%.
Finally for now, Croatia, and a big development with the normally dominant HDZ , the party of Franjo Tudman, tied on 30% with the Restart Coalition (led by the Social Democrats). Into third with 15% (+5) has come the party of Miroslav Skoro known as Homeland Movement. This was formed on February 29th with impeccable timing as the next Parliamentary election is due on July 5th.
The Croatian Sabor has two main groups - the governing Patriotic Coalition headed by HDZ and the new Restart Coalition. At the moment, the question is whether Skoro's new group could or would prop up an HDZ-led Government or would be a strong force in opposition to a Restart-led administration.
I think that in all likelihood, Indian voters are in the position of Jewish voters, about thirty years ago. Once quite strongly Labour, but now switching allegiance.
I'm to be convinced - I'm sure a lot of wealthier Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis vote Conservative but I live in Newham which is probably closing on 50% Asian or Asian British and the Conservatives are miles behind Labour.
Indeed, all 60 Newham Borough Councillors are Labour and our new female Mayor is of Pakistani descent.
I think Indian generally means Hindu or Sikh in this context.
Certainly in Leicester there is a substantial Indian Tory vote, but much less so in the Muslim community, including the significant Gujerati Muslim community.
Some data. The Muslim Labour vote sticks out a mile among the figures. see p 8 of this:
Jeremy Corbyn was enormously popular among Muslim voters.
Really!! I wonder why.
I think that most Muslim voters feel very strongly about events in the Middle East, especially the Israel/Palestine issue, and see Corbyn as being on their side on these matters. Then, there's the issue of Islamist terrorism. A very large majority of Muslim voters reject the terrorists, but still feel they are being picked on and stigmatised by the authorities. Again, Corbyn has long been a critic of the security forces.
"If I wasn’t constantly harassed for three years by fake and illegal investigations, Russia, Russia, Russia, and the Impeachment Hoax, I’d be up by 25 points on Sleepy Joe and the Do Nothing Democrats. Very unfair, but it is what it is!!!"
Is he calling more people "crazy" than he used to? According to him, "Radical Left Democrats" have "gone Crazy" and Nancy Pelosi is "crazy" too.
If his auntie was his uncle, he'd probably be president of the world.
His resignation note if he writes one will be a corker. Eat your heart out, Janio Quadros!
From that interview, no reform is being planned. There simply won;t be any forces of law and order.
Simply to ask what the arrangements will be stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
Here's the plan
Once they have abolished the police, things will change, naturally.
If you get raped and call 911 they will send a psychotherapist. If you get robbed they will send a "social worker with defensive armour"
Surely no one is taking that seriously. Sounds like a thief or rapists charter to me.
Its so clearly fake news, it is pathetic an informed site like this has posters propagating it.
The plan is actually a move to UK style policing by consent instead of military style policing a war zone with the force backed by dodgy unions.
So backing UK policing and bashing corrupt unions, surely bang in line with the UK right? Why is the police union the only one the right turn a blind eye to?
For those who really want to understand, rather than pretend and recycle fake news here is an article from a source on the ground:
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Factor in Labour's advantage amongst young and very poor voters as well and it's small wonder than Newham is a one-party state.
I think it is more that she isn't very bright, but still.
In a declining pandemic, small island communities are likely to achieve outright eradication of a disease well ahead of large countries. This stands to reason. As both disease suppression measures take effect and the number of immune individuals rises, so it's far more likely in a small population that the number of carriers will decline to zero, rather than bubbling along at a persistent low level.
It's not impossible that the Isle of Wight could, if the Government gives it the discretion to do so, follow the example of Guernsey and end lockdown - at the cost of quarantining itself from the mainland. But those sorts of decisions are still some distance down the road.
https://twitter.com/tonydpoison/status/1270071476008505344?s=20
https://www.flightradar24.com/BCS806P/24a80c27
LTN to LHR
I no longer think that's the case. I think there's lots of reasons they might want to support the Conservatives and they're similar to everyone else.
https://twitter.com/markdiffley1/status/1270074426432905224?s=20
Moreover, they’re not meant to be swimming there...
When I was in the oil business, we had quite a lot of... un-watered down people coming to work in the head office people. People who hadn't had their prejudices ground down a bit by x years in a western university.
I still remember the chap who with, all sincerity gave me a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion......
Doha flight incoming!
https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR8866/24a77936
http://www.brin.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/No-56-May-2020.pdf
Kohli was out the following over.
Many comments were made on the subject of Hindus. None of them were noticeably complimentary...
You are surely confusing the redoubtable eadric with quite another poster(s).
Listen to her answer when CNN ask what people should so if someone breaks into their home and there are no police to call.
That, apparently is a question that doesn't really need an answer, because it is a question that comes from a person's white privilege.
Indian voters who came to this country tended to be from professional/managerial backgrounds, whereas voters from Pakistan and Bangladesh were much more likely to be working class. Added to that, religion. Muslim voters are hugely supportive of Labour, Hindus and Sikhs rather more diverse in their politics.
So, Newham is massively Labour. Harrow East, a minority white constituency, now has a very solid Conservative majority.
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Simply to ask what the arrangements after the police are gone stems from white privilege. Sit there and take your murder, rape and looting and we'll tell you when we're good and ready.
And now we can see what assigning 'white privilege' is in the minds of some.
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/camden/sections/law-and-justice/articles/camden-sees-crime-drop-over-past-decade
They are planning anarchy. There are planning for the people who they feel have been oppressed to get some. They are planning a total lawless payback.
They're also the final nail in the coffin of lockdown, at least for private citizens. Forget about Durhamgate: how, for example, the police are plausibly meant to chastise a group of a dozen young lads from different households playing football in the local park, when they refused to break up a succession of marches by many thousands of people, Lord alone knows.
(FWIW I think the public order challenges that confronted the police demanded that they let the demos happen as the lesser of two evils, but nonetheless the moral authority of the powers that be to demand continued obeisance to social distancing rules is now completely shot. Businesses will still need to be scrupulous in their adherence but private individuals will do whatever feels right to them.)
Effect of Environmental Conditions on SARS-CoV-2 Stability in Human Nasal Mucus and Sputum
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2267_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM30183
We found that environmental conditions affect the stability of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in nasal mucus and sputum. The virus is more stable at low-temperature and low-humidity conditions, whereas warmer temperature and higher humidity shortened half-life. Although infectious virus was undetectable after 48 hours, viral RNA remained detectable for 7 days
So, the police?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/06/channel-4-boss-overhauls-social-media-rules-dreadful-boris-johnson/
They need to be flogged off yesterday.
Of course those protesting aren't the leadership, but worth pointing out the beliefs of the organizers go far beyond the core mission of the protests.
On all the data (earnings, employment, educational achievement, housing etc.) there are distinct difference between ethnic heritage groups linked to class.
So, in modern Britain, on average Chinese and Indians do very well under all indicators - better than white British.
Bangladeshi, Pakistani, and Afro-Caribbean do significantly less well.
On educational achievement alone, the biggest problem now is the underachievement of white working class boys.
It's a really complex story that I think too many over-simplify.
I think it a positive sign of integration that minorities are voting for a variety of parties. Ethnicity and religious heritage are important, but do not define us in our entirity. Yes, it is a pretty colloidal loss of confidence in the police by the community.
The experience has to be pretty bad in order to think better off rid.
What they do know is that they’re no longer going to put up with an out of control PD, who are evidently staffed with a considerable number of criminals themselves.
https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1270059322806923264
How many years worth of meetings do you really need?
The whole point of elected democracy is they take soundings and implement a solution.
https://twitter.com/NathanTimpano/status/1269732349547294720
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1270075916308357122?s=20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/08/satellite-images-packed-wuhan-hospitals-suggest-coronavirus/
What could possibly go wrong?
The capitalist class do appear to have been more flexible in their thinking than the theoretical Marxists.
https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1269895028937285634
https://twitter.com/mat8iou/status/1269896135113674753?s=19
Time for another in my occasional series of looking at the European polls.
First off is the INSA poll from Germany which has the Union on 38%, well clear of the Greens on 17.5%, the SPD on 14%, AfD on 10%, Linke on 8.5% and FDP on 6.5%. They'd all get back into the Bundestag on those numbers with a majority for the existing Union-SPD coalition.
We await of course the election of the new CDU Spitzenkandidat for the next election.
Bulgaria next and the latest Alpha Research poll puts GERB, the leading party in the governing coalition on 33% (+3). GERB is led by Prime Minister Borisov and has 95 seats in the 240 seat National Assembly. The opposition BSP are down six points at 19% and into third has come ITN (about whom I know nothing) are now third on 14% with the liberal DPS on 10%.
In Denmark, the ruling Social Democrats continue to enjoy an enormous lead polling at 36%, nearly double that of Venstre on 19% with the People's party falling way back to 6%. The ruling centre-left coalition would be re-elected with a big majority if there were an election on these figures.
Across the Skagerrak, another ruling Social Democrat party is also enjoying a big Covid-19 boost in popularity. Sweden's Social Democrats are on 34% (+9) with the opposition Moderates on 20% (+2) and a big fall for the Sweden Democrats to 17% (-6).
In Spain, the revival of the fortunes of the centre-right PP continues but they remain three points behind PSOE (28-25), VOX, who were challenging PP for secind not so long ago, are back on 11% with United Podemos on 10.5%.
Finally for now, Croatia, and a big development with the normally dominant HDZ , the party of Franjo Tudman, tied on 30% with the Restart Coalition (led by the Social Democrats). Into third with 15% (+5) has come the party of Miroslav Skoro known as Homeland Movement. This was formed on February 29th with impeccable timing as the next Parliamentary election is due on July 5th.
The Croatian Sabor has two main groups - the governing Patriotic Coalition headed by HDZ and the new Restart Coalition. At the moment, the question is whether Skoro's new group could or would prop up an HDZ-led Government or would be a strong force in opposition to a Restart-led administration.
I think that most Muslim voters feel very strongly about events in the Middle East, especially the Israel/Palestine issue, and see Corbyn as being on their side on these matters. Then, there's the issue of Islamist terrorism. A very large majority of Muslim voters reject the terrorists, but still feel they are being picked on and stigmatised by the authorities. Again, Corbyn has long been a critic of the security forces.
His cut and paste posts from the sewer that is Twitter can be safely discounted.
"If I wasn’t constantly harassed for three years by fake and illegal investigations, Russia, Russia, Russia, and the Impeachment Hoax, I’d be up by 25 points on Sleepy Joe and the Do Nothing Democrats. Very unfair, but it is what it is!!!"
Is he calling more people "crazy" than he used to? According to him, "Radical Left Democrats" have "gone Crazy" and Nancy Pelosi is "crazy" too.
If his auntie was his uncle, he'd probably be president of the world.
His resignation note if he writes one will be a corker. Eat your heart out, Janio Quadros!
The plan is actually a move to UK style policing by consent instead of military style policing a war zone with the force backed by dodgy unions.
So backing UK policing and bashing corrupt unions, surely bang in line with the UK right? Why is the police union the only one the right turn a blind eye to?
For those who really want to understand, rather than pretend and recycle fake news here is an article from a source on the ground:
https://time.com/5848705/disband-and-replace-minneapolis-police/