Tory and BRX is almost the same as at the general election. Seems to be a swing from LD to Lab, which is surprising since the LDs were already pretty low.
As things stand, the LDs have no reason to exist. They should be replaced with a new English Liberal Party.
As the GE will not be before 2024 nobody has a clue of the outcome of that election
But it has gone back to two party politics
And the uncertainty about 2024 is, in itself, significant.
I think covid has made it like that. Not a good time to be in government
To an extent, that bucket of nastiness is still to hit. There's been lots of sickness and too much death, but most of us haven't been touched by it. The economic outlook is grim, but it's still mostly outlook for most people. Lockdown is boring, but compared with the sacrifices previous generations have made, it's trivial.
Two things have happened so far. Sir Keir is visibly less rubbish than Mr Jeremy, which makes a massive change compared with December 2019. I don't know how big the "BoJo is awful but Jezza is worse" vote was, but I suspect it was non-trivial. Also, the crisis has highlighted stuff that was known before about Boris, but not really known. He's pretty lazy, a poor speaker, and morally pretty dodgy. I mean, we all half-knew this before, but this crisis has brought it into sharper relief. And unlike the crises of last year, he has nobody else to blame now.
This is an astute post. However, both points haven't fully cut through really. Most people who don't post on this board have been pre-occupied with the trivialities of their health, employment, boredom and sanity.
By this time next year this will be the most unpopular government in modern polling.
That could very well be true but it will not be because of Cummings
It will be the fallout from the economic armageddon
Indeed. That's what I meant, although Cummings events have started the undermining of respect for the government.
No Deal will throw petrol on the fire of post-covid economic mess.
Not sure it matters anymore, so much has changed and for the EU
I expect Rishi to announce hundreds of billions investment on green schemes and constructio n this summer to create new UK industries to provide new employment for millions.
Corbyn will look like a conservative chancellor compared to what is coming
Tory and BRX is almost the same as at the general election. Seems to be a swing from LD to Lab, which is surprising since the LDs were already pretty low.
As things stand, the LDs have no reason to exist. They should be replaced with a new English Liberal Party.
Indeed. Charlie Kennedy made hay attacking Blair from the Left. Maybe space to attack Boris from the Right in an FPD small government stylee?
Tory and BRX is almost the same as at the general election. Seems to be a swing from LD to Lab, which is surprising since the LDs were already pretty low.
As things stand, the LDs have no reason to exist. They should be replaced with a new English Liberal Party.
Indeed. Charlie Kennedy made hay attacking Blair from the Left. Maybe space to attack Boris from the Right in an FPD small government stylee?
At the moment it seems Tory Remainers are staying firmly behind Boris.
It would make sense for the LDs to target them to make up for the voters they have lost to Starmer, yes
I think Farage may have been taking lessons from Paul Joseph Watson. This is very much like one of his videos, and Watson has been referencing Farage quite a lot in recent days.
That's what I predicted a couple of days ago - the DC issue has run its course for now and the Government has stabilised the drop, but doesn't have much credibility left for the next rough patch.
Main movement LDs to Labour since GE19, the only movement from the Tories it seems is 1% to the Brexit Party, no Tory movement to Starmer still
The details suggest churn both ways at a modest level. But I think the "wouldn't dream of voting Labour under any circumstances" proportion of Tories has dropped significantly.
Aha! That’s how China will get us if we give passports to people in HK. They will refuse to sell us the vaccine.
I think the approaches of all the vaccine companies are pretty well known. If someone has a working vaccine and refuses to sell it, then other companies will probably be able to replicate their approach pretty quickly.
I forgot how unwatchable CNN has become. Not a news channel, currently got far left Cornell West ranting for 10 minutes unchallenged, how if only we had a socialist state all these problems would go away.
Its all got a bit too real for the CNN bod in Atlanta. It isnt in the hood now.
For those of us not watching CNN, you might need to add one or two more details if you want us to follow along. (And why are you still watching half an hour after you told us CNN is unwatchable?)
Belgium and Spain have higher death rates per head than the UK and the UK also has a lower unemployment rate than most of western Europe and the USA now.
Jenkins is wrong
We comfortably have the highest number of deaths in the UK
We also have the 3rd highest rates of death in Europe and given that we are gaining on Spain we could well soon have a worse rate than them. We have gradually overtaken every other European country.
Genuine question. Do you believe that if we end up with the most deaths per million anywhere in Europe except Belgium then that is a good outcome and something for our government to be proud of?
I think a fair way of looking at is the four countries most similar to the UK are Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Germany has done much better than the rest of us. The differences between France, Spain, Italy and the UK are too small to be able to be confident about which has done better or worse.
We are in the pack, admittedly miles behind Germany, but in line with the majority of our peer group. Not great, but it doesnt help to over play how bad it is either.
Belgium and Spain have higher death rates per head than the UK and the UK also has a lower unemployment rate than most of western Europe and the USA now.
Jenkins is wrong
We comfortably have the highest number of deaths in the UK
We also have the 3rd highest rates of death in Europe and given that we are gaining on Spain we could well soon have a worse rate than them. We have gradually overtaken every other European country.
Genuine question. Do you believe that if we end up with the most deaths per million anywhere in Europe except Belgium then that is a good outcome and something for our government to be proud of?
I think a fair way of looking at is the four countries most similar to the UK are Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Germany has done much better than the rest of us. The differences between France, Spain, Italy and the UK are too small to be able to be confident about which has done better or worse.
We are in the pack, admittedly miles behind Germany, but in line with the majority of our peer group. Not great, but it doesnt help to over play how bad it is either.
Yep. One of the ironies of this saga is now naturally the UK fits into its peer group of large European nations.
If only some bright chap/chapess could think of a way to bring these great nations more together, imagine what they could do, maybe form the largest single market the world has ever seen?
Look at us - government a shambles, prime minister can barely string a sentence together, overwhelmed by death, about to fall out of the largest economic bloc in the world, and then look at Germany - with a competent government led by a smart scientist, successfully dealt with the virus, reopening the economy and at the centre of the European single market. It's embarrassing.
You missed off the decentralised healthcare system with a lot of privately-provided excess capacity in Germany, and the localised nature of most of their public health planning and execution - as opposed to the monolithic and bureaucratic structures that are NHS and PHE.
Belgium and Spain have higher death rates per head than the UK and the UK also has a lower unemployment rate than most of western Europe and the USA now.
Jenkins is wrong
We comfortably have the highest number of deaths in the UK
We also have the 3rd highest rates of death in Europe and given that we are gaining on Spain we could well soon have a worse rate than them. We have gradually overtaken every other European country.
Genuine question. Do you believe that if we end up with the most deaths per million anywhere in Europe except Belgium then that is a good outcome and something for our government to be proud of?
I think a fair way of looking at is the four countries most similar to the UK are Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Germany has done much better than the rest of us. The differences between France, Spain, Italy and the UK are too small to be able to be confident about which has done better or worse.
We are in the pack, admittedly miles behind Germany, but in line with the majority of our peer group. Not great, but it doesnt help to over play how bad it is either.
Belgium and Spain have higher death rates per head than the UK and the UK also has a lower unemployment rate than most of western Europe and the USA now.
Jenkins is wrong
We comfortably have the highest number of deaths in the UK
We also have the 3rd highest rates of death in Europe and given that we are gaining on Spain we could well soon have a worse rate than them. We have gradually overtaken every other European country.
Genuine question. Do you believe that if we end up with the most deaths per million anywhere in Europe except Belgium then that is a good outcome and something for our government to be proud of?
I think a fair way of looking at is the four countries most similar to the UK are Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Germany has done much better than the rest of us. The differences between France, Spain, Italy and the UK are too small to be able to be confident about which has done better or worse.
We are in the pack, admittedly miles behind Germany, but in line with the majority of our peer group. Not great, but it doesnt help to over play how bad it is either.
Yep. One of the ironies of this saga is now naturally the UK fits into its peer group of large European nations.
If only some bright chap/chapess could think of a way to bring these great nations more together, imagine what they could do, maybe form the largest single market the world has ever seen?
Look at us - government a shambles, prime minister can barely string a sentence together, overwhelmed by death, about to fall out of the largest economic bloc in the world, and then look at Germany - with a competent government led by a smart scientist, successfully dealt with the virus, reopening the economy and at the centre of the European single market. It's embarrassing.
You missed off the decentralised healthcare system with a lot of privately-provided excess capacity in Germany, and the localised nature of most of their public health planning and execution - as opposed to the monolithic and bureaucratic structures that are NHS and PHE.
It has been government policy to not have excess capacity in the NHS, as a form of cost control. Don't blame the poor bloody infantry for the Generals decisions in the Chateau.
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Starmer starts the moves?
There have been some very interesting discussions tonight with less insults and more constructive criticism
PB at it's best
Have a restful night everyone
Most people who don't post on this board have been pre-occupied with the trivialities of their health, employment, boredom and sanity.
Given where we are a mediocre government with a good Treasury is better than an otherwise better government with an awful Treasury.
Maybe space to attack Boris from the Right in an FPD small government stylee?
It would make sense for the LDs to target them to make up for the voters they have lost to Starmer, yes
https://twitter.com/j0ncampbell/status/1266514356071735296
For Mr Coronavirus, all these mass demonstrations is Christmas come early. 1000s of people huddled together all shouting and screaming...
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1266497359002943488
It is as bad as Fox News these days.
Ends up remembered as Orville.