And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
IMO it's better to rely on David Paton's figures which are based on the number of deaths taking place on a particular day rather than the government figures which include people who died many days and even weeks ago.
What is the state of the care home industry? What % of their residents have they lost and have attitudes changed towards them making them less likely a routine solution to care?
"But the Government is thought to have become jittery about the prospect of people finding out they might be immune to the virus and ignoring lockdown rules. " (Mail)
Oh they need not worry, people now have the Cummings Get Out Clause* to hand. Who needs to pay £69?
* Opinion is divided on the exact nature of this clause. There are a number of basic ingredients such as driving around with symptoms that might be the virus, an eye test, childcare arrangements, fear of both parents being ill, driving without a rest for 4 or 5 hours. But the details don't matter as the overriding one is: follow instinct at all times!!!
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
IMO it's better to rely on David Paton's figures which are based on the number of deaths taking place on a particular day rather than the government figures which include people who died many days and even weeks ago.
I'm using those figures for analysis too - afraid the exponent has slipped, which indicates the halving time for the virus is now around 15 days rather than 14
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
First of many. Many companies rely on Spring and Summer and losing this period will never be regained.
For many summer season businesses this will be truly devastating. Many companies will lose money autumn/winter but gain it Spring/Summer.
For companies that have survived last winter only to have now lost money Spring/Summer and now facing an even worse than normal Winter this is just destructive.
You don’t need to tell me. I’ve been boring on about it for weeks now.
When a lot of those job losses are concentrated in particular areas with few alternatives and even those affected by the loss of trade etc, the prospects are poor for those areas.
“Levelling up” my arse!
So what do you suggest ?
At the very least end restrictions on outdoor trade. Its insane that indoor businesses like New Look and Next that can trade all year around are getting ready to open but beer gardens that rely on spring and summer are shut.
IMO it's better to rely on David Paton's figures which are based on the number of deaths taking place on a particular day rather than the government figures which include people who died many days and even weeks ago.
This for me is the best summary, shows roughly care home deaths ~4% daily decline, hospitals 5%, homes 6% (although home deaths are almost zero now so that part isn't so important going forward).
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
Probably just catching up with the weekend reporting, although I will eat my trousers if there is no second wave.
If a second wave is expected later in the year then we should be removing restrictions now and building herd immunity.
How do you know that the second wave is not coming in three weeks, soon after the two Bank Holidays in May?
We don't but there doesn't appear to have been a second wave in other countries which have eased restrictions earlier.
Nor does there seem to be any increase in positive tests since the first bank holiday.
If it weren’t for the handful of small scale studies finding low levels of antibodies, you’d look at the data and conclude that significant proportions of the population now has either immunity or significant resistance.
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
Indeed. What these smartarses don't understand is that making that argument automatically exposes them as hypocrites. After all, the moral outrage against Cummings is predicated on the premise that endangering public health is the worst thing in the world, so when the exact same people then conclude 'therefore I can go ahead and endanger public health as much as I like', it reveals them as the intellectually-limited hypocrites that they are.
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
It’s the other way around. Those who have made significant sacrifice were consoling themselves with the thought that we were all in it together. Until we weren’t.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
First of many. Many companies rely on Spring and Summer and losing this period will never be regained.
For many summer season businesses this will be truly devastating. Many companies will lose money autumn/winter but gain it Spring/Summer.
For companies that have survived last winter only to have now lost money Spring/Summer and now facing an even worse than normal Winter this is just destructive.
You don’t need to tell me. I’ve been boring on about it for weeks now.
When a lot of those job losses are concentrated in particular areas with few alternatives and even those affected by the loss of trade etc, the prospects are poor for those areas.
“Levelling up” my arse!
I know, I've been agreeing with you and making similar points myself. On this we think alike.
So if 42 Conservative MPs think Dominic Cummings should stand down, that’s the majority gone. Sounds like there’s scope for an imaginative Opposition motion there.
My God, those 42 MPs are mostly just putting out messages to virtue-signal and save face with their constituents. That is completely different to taking on the Prime Minister directly in a trial of strength and voting with the Opposition on ... what? A fucking Bill of Attainder against Cummings?
It's called politics. You can't just take everything at face value.
OK- how many backbench Conservatives have to go public saying "Cummings must go" for it to be a problem? How many for that problem to be terminal?
Literally five times as many. For it to have an actual effect beyond virtue-signalling, they would have to resign the whip and destroy their own careers, and even then they probably wouldn't achieve their goal. They ain't gonna do that for this pointless nonsense.
Come on. The threshold is clearly lower than 200.
There's an iceberg effect here- we just don't know how big.
Also, think back to Jezza v Thatch; even a 55-45 win isn't enough, really. Technically, maybe, but not really.
Hang on, the last three days you've been telling us that that regulation was guided by instinct and could be ignored if there are issues such as childcare.
It is just bollocks now. Totall bollocks. I don't know how they keep a straight face.
The Cummins family was isolated. In London. In the car. In County Durham.
At no point did they come in contact with Joe Public or put them at any additional risk.
How is driving 350 miles after a stressful period at work without stopping not reckless driving? He was putting anyone on those roads at great risk. Or more likely stopped, probably more than once given they couldnt last 30 minutes without a stop on their next journey, when they were well.
Some people regularly drive 250 miles. I think people in London think driving is impossible or something.
The highway code recommends 15 mins break every 2 hours. Driving 350 miles without stopping, with an ill family, when you think you might be ill yourself and after an extremely stressful week at work puts others at risk.
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
Indeed. What these smartarses don't understand is that making that argument automatically exposes them as hypocrites. After all, the moral outrage against Cummings is predicated on the premise that endangering public health is the worst thing in the world, so when the exact same people then conclude 'therefore I can go ahead and endanger public health as much as I like', it reveals them as the intellectually-limited hypocrites that they are.
Except that Cummings came up with the lockdown rules! What a Hypocrite!
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Its astonishing that the government expects the economy to survive and thrive under the welter of additional burdens placed on it. I thought these people were conservatives.
Wait until they find out the truth. And wait until they finally have to make the decisions they have been desperate to avoid for months.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
They seem sensible ideas at first glance (haven't looked at previous thread).
Might I suggest you contact local MPs, government departments, trade bodies etc.
The problem the government faces is that the likes of Piers Moron will rant that the government wants to kill people whenever there's any suggestion of reducing restrictions.
So if 42 Conservative MPs think Dominic Cummings should stand down, that’s the majority gone. Sounds like there’s scope for an imaginative Opposition motion there.
My God, those 42 MPs are mostly just putting out messages to virtue-signal and save face with their constituents. That is completely different to taking on the Prime Minister directly in a trial of strength and voting with the Opposition on ... what? A fucking Bill of Attainder against Cummings?
It's called politics. You can't just take everything at face value.
OK- how many backbench Conservatives have to go public saying "Cummings must go" for it to be a problem? How many for that problem to be terminal?
Literally five times as many. For it to have an actual effect beyond virtue-signalling, they would have to resign the whip and destroy their own careers, and even then they probably wouldn't achieve their goal. They ain't gonna do that for this pointless nonsense.
Come on. The threshold is clearly lower than 200.
There's an iceberg effect here- we just don't know how big.
Also, think back to Jezza v Thatch; even a 55-45 win isn't enough, really. Technically, maybe, but not really.
So what is?
Let's say 150 signalling virtue. Probably 20 resigning the whip.
Although Boris has already kicked 20 of his own MPs out of the Conservative Party in a single day for defying him, so maybe even that wouldn't do the trick.
Hang on, the last three days you've been telling us that that regulation was guided by instinct and could be ignored if there are issues such as childcare.
It is just bollocks now. Totall bollocks. I don't know how they keep a straight face.
The Cummins family was isolated. In London. In the car. In County Durham.
At no point did they come in contact with Joe Public or put them at any additional risk.
How is driving 350 miles after a stressful period at work without stopping not reckless driving? He was putting anyone on those roads at great risk. Or more likely stopped, probably more than once given they couldnt last 30 minutes without a stop on their next journey, when they were well.
Some people regularly drive 250 miles. I think people in London think driving is impossible or something.
The highway code recommends 15 mins break every 2 hours. Driving 350 miles without stopping, with an ill family, when you think you might be ill yourself and after an extremely stressful week at work puts others at risk.
IMO it's better to rely on David Paton's figures which are based on the number of deaths taking place on a particular day rather than the government figures which include people who died many days and even weeks ago.
This for me is the best summary, shows roughly care home deaths ~4% daily decline, hospitals 5%, homes 6% (although home deaths are almost zero now so that part isn't so important going forward).
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
They seem sensible ideas at first glance (haven't looked at previous thread).
Might I suggest you contact local MPs, government departments, trade bodies etc.
The problem the government faces is that the likes of Piers Moron will rant that the government wants to kill people whenever there's any suggestion of reducing restrictions.
When people are facing mass unemployment for years, they won;t give a f8ck what Piers Morgan says. As if they ever did
Has anyone done an analysis of the Remain/Leave-supporting status of the Tory MPs who've called for Cummings to go?
What for?
Brexit Tory MPs hate Cummings because he correctly identified that they were a load of useless idiotic tossers who would do their campaign more harm than good unless they were ruthlessly pushed aside.
Remainers hate Cummings for precisely the same reason.
"As coronavirus arrived in France this winter, staff at an army base in the east of the country were dutifully burning hundreds of thousands of facemasks.
The incinerations were part of a money-saving programme to run down the state’s stock of 1.7 billion protective masks that had reached a peak in 2011.
Neither ministers nor MPs had questioned the initiative, which would almost certainly have escaped attention altogether if the pandemic had never struck."
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
Worrying about how many minutes apart golf partners should tee off from?
Unlocking outdoor hospitality should be done already. Its literally insane when we know that outdoor transmission is much less likely than indoor transmission that we are opening up indoor businesses while keeping outdoor ones locked out.
Are they seriously suggesting that in a couple of weeks time if I'm bored I can go spend time with thousands of other people browsing in a shopping complex like The Trafford Centre but I can't sit in the sunshine keeping summer hospitality businesses alive?
Its insane. The government is doing an awful job here going arse over tit.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
Worrying about how many minutes apart golf partners should tee off from?
Unlocking outdoor hospitality should be done already. Its literally insane when we know that outdoor transmission is much less likely than indoor transmission that we are opening up indoor businesses while keeping outdoor ones locked out.
Are they seriously suggesting that in a couple of weeks time if I'm bored I can go spend time with thousands of other people browsing in a shopping complex like The Trafford Centre but I can't sit in the sunshine keeping summer hospitality businesses alive?
Its insane. The government is doing an awful job here going arse over tit.
I quite agree. There is no sense to what the government is doing. It seems driven by panic and the need for favourable publicity.
Yes, just what I used to think when everyone banged on about Farage sweating and making hilarious mis-spellings/pronunciations of his name. It was fair game then, apparently... some used to think it was funny too
It probably does mean they fear him though
The curious thing is if this is the reaction when the Conservatives are still 6 points ahead - what will it be like when Labour leads by 10-15 points?
It is pretty lamentable whenever it happens really.
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
Indeed. What these smartarses don't understand is that making that argument automatically exposes them as hypocrites. After all, the moral outrage against Cummings is predicated on the premise that endangering public health is the worst thing in the world, so when the exact same people then conclude 'therefore I can go ahead and endanger public health as much as I like', it reveals them as the intellectually-limited hypocrites that they are.
Except that Cummings came up with the lockdown rules! What a Hypocrite!
Irrelevant. Either endangering the public health is a moral evil or it isn't. To put it another way, would it be OK to murder someone just because an authority figure committed a murder? No, it bloody well would not!
People making the argument that it would be OK expose their 'morality' as a sham.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
They'll be having meetings and meetings about meetings.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
Worrying about how many minutes apart golf partners should tee off from?
Unlocking outdoor hospitality should be done already. Its literally insane when we know that outdoor transmission is much less likely than indoor transmission that we are opening up indoor businesses while keeping outdoor ones locked out.
Are they seriously suggesting that in a couple of weeks time if I'm bored I can go spend time with thousands of other people browsing in a shopping complex like The Trafford Centre but I can't sit in the sunshine keeping summer hospitality businesses alive?
Its insane. The government is doing an awful job here going arse over tit.
I quite agree. There is no sense to what the government is doing. It seems driven by panic and the need for favourable publicity.
Then we can expect the medical experts within Sage to resign, if the Government is flagrantly gaming lockdown to get out of its own political hole.
And so it begins: a large hotel/holiday company goes into administration. 2 hotels in Windermere and Keswick close and, according to the press, 2500 people lose their jobs.
44 hotels were owned by the group: all over the country.
Specialist Leisure Group went into administration last Friday...
I know. But I was at a funeral that day and had other matters on my mind.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector. 2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices. 3. Do not put them into law. 4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises. 5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe. 6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so. 7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses. 8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance. 9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc. 10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
Very good suggestions, number 10 should be simple enough to do blanket for the entire nation. Legalise all licenced premises to sell for on or off trade overnight and suspend regulations against outdoor drinking (but not being drunk and disorderly or other crimes).
I thought one needed geniuses to do all sorts of thinking for the government. I dreamt these up in 5 minutes. What the hell are all these political geniuses and advisors actually doing?
They'll be having meetings and meetings about meetings.
I may suggest these to my MP, Trudi Harrison. Fat lot of good it will do. She is Boris’s PPS. But she has said nothing - absolutely nothing - about the hospitality sector, despite it being a very significant employer in her constituency.
Tim Farron, on the other hand, has been very active and vocal.
Dido oversaw one of the biggest breaches of private data whilst at Talk Talk.
Tories gave her a job in charge of data.
Any idea if its true?
It was in this week's Private Eye. When she was asked if the hacked data at Talk Talk was encrpyted her reply was: "The awful truth is I don't know" She is the chair of the Test and Trace programme so therefore persumably oversees the App. What could possibly go wrong?
A lot of people (not on PB) are making fools of themselves by implying that "because Cummings allegedly did something wrong it's okay for other people to do the same." Logical fallacy.
Agreed. I also don't get why people think it's relevant to say
"I didn't visit my dying relative, yet he can go to Durham"
He didn't visit dying relatives, he wouldn't be allowed in the hospital/care home same as anyone else. Even if he had just gone to Durham because it was more comfortable than staying in London, it shouldn't give people grievance over their non visiting of people with covid-19 in hospitals, it makes no difference
Just a word of warning. We thought we were home and dry in 1992 and then came Kinnock's Sheffield Rally. 'Oh yeah, bring it on'...20 seat Conservative majority! Pride comes before a fall!
If you live in an urban area you're more likely to find yourself in breach of a regulation based on getting too close to other people than people living in the middle of nowhere.
Even ignoring the super elite like Cummings, the idea that our law treats people equally regardless of class or race is miles away from reality. Particularly on an issue like this, how you respond initially to the police (and importantly their perception of your response) will have far more impact on whether you get charged than the severity of the crime you committed.
If you take care homes out the analysis you get back to a 14 day halving period. On their own, at least 17 days if not more.
Apparently care home residents are 0.6% of the UK population, and 38% of UK Covid deaths
Controversial opinion: I am surprised its not higher. Care homes have done a good job to keep it such a low proportion, I believe in many nations they're the majority of deaths and for good reason.
Is anyone else geeking out over the Spacex launch in 90 minutes or so, weather permitting? I was an avid fan of Apollo and this brings it all back. TV coverage began over 4 hours before the launch and I'm just lapping it up. I've found my inner 18 year old again.
Just a word of warning. We thought we were home and dry in 1992 and then came Kinnock's Sheffield Rally. 'Oh yeah, bring it on'...20 seat Conservative majority! Pride comes before a fall!
Actually:
"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall". Proverbs, 16:18.
Following on from the discussion on "Boris" Vs "Johnson", I was wondering whether there is anyone else in political life who uses one name in public and another in private? George Osborne changed his name but as far as I know his family and friends don't call him Gideon. It's a bit weird, no? And maybe a bit unsurprising that he has a rather distant relationship with the truth?
Tories retaining 96% of their support from the GE according to the new opinion poll.
Not sure that means anything to be honest. Perhaps the question is whether the 43% is now a solid vote or whether the Conservative vote will soften further.
Meanwhile, away from the latest revelations about whether Dominic Cummings may have passed wind or not in his fateful trip to Durham, the world continues to miss the point completely about hydroxychloroqin. Trials now being 'suspended' due to 'safety concerns'.
The latest hydroxychloroqin trial that was completed and found that it wasn't efficacious (funded by drug companies who make other stuff) did not use it in conjunction with Zinc, which is the combination that has shown remarkable results anecdotally:
'Every patient given this has been symptom free in 8 to 10 hours'
This would be a real scandal. If a cheap and easy to produce anti-malarial drug in combination with a widely available mineral were to be the gold standard coronavirus treatment, and had the capability to stop this being a feared diagnosis, but drug companies and people who frankly just don't like Donald Trump stop it happening.
I get the feeling that Boris is going to be pensioned off to recover his health.
When I wrote a couple of weeks ago that he looked well off his form, I had a lot of consumer resistance to the idea on thread. There seems to be more support for that view now.
Dido oversaw one of the biggest breaches of private data whilst at Talk Talk.
Tories gave her a job in charge of data.
Any idea if its true?
It was in this week's Private Eye. When she was asked if the hacked data at Talk Talk was encrpyted her reply was: "The awful truth is I don't know" She is the chair of the Test and Trace programme so therefore persumably oversees the App. What could possibly go wrong?
Following on from the discussion on "Boris" Vs "Johnson", I was wondering whether there is anyone else in political life who uses one name in public and another in private? George Osborne changed his name but as far as I know his family and friends don't call him Gideon. It's a bit weird, no? And maybe a bit unsurprising that he has a rather distant relationship with the truth?
What drugs are you taking?
If his friends and family don't call him Gideon then why should the public call him Gideon?
There's something deeply nasty about this name shaming. Call people what they want to be called, its just basic respect.
Controversial opinion: I am surprised its not higher. Care homes have done a good job to keep it such a low proportion, I believe in many nations they're the majority of deaths and for good reason.
Our care home death numbers are surprisingly a (relatively) small fraction of our total deaths - in Europe it's a half or more, even 2/3 in Spain. Here it's less than a quarter.
The problem has been the wider death rate outside care homes. Our hospital numbers are horrendous.
Is anyone else geeking out over the Spacex launch in 90 minutes or so, weather permitting? I was an avid fan of Apollo and this brings it all back. TV coverage began over 4 hours before the launch and I'm just lapping it up. I've found my inner 18 year old again.
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https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern?lang=en
"But the Government is thought to have become jittery about the prospect of people finding out they might be immune to the virus and ignoring lockdown rules. "
(Mail)
Oh they need not worry, people now have the Cummings Get Out Clause* to hand. Who needs to pay £69?
* Opinion is divided on the exact nature of this clause. There are a number of basic ingredients such as driving around with symptoms that might be the virus, an eye test, childcare arrangements, fear of both parents being ill, driving without a rest for 4 or 5 hours. But the details don't matter as the overriding one is: follow instinct at all times!!!
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1265705075336339456?s=20
893e-0.047x R² = 0.9879 since the peak.
Nor does there seem to be any increase in positive tests since the first bank holiday.
What I said on the previous thread.
1. Start opening up the hospitality sector.
2. Set out the advice on risks and sensible hygiene practices.
3. Do not put them into law.
4. Businesses to adopt what is reasonable for their premises.
5.Get rid of the 2 metre guidance. The WHO recommends 1 metre and this is widely used in the rest of Europe.
6. Maintain furlough on a sliding / transitional basis for, say, a month or so.
7. Offer compensation sums instead of furlough for those businesses that want to close to allow investment in other businesses.
8. Work with insurance sector to have fairer burden sharing in relation to business interruption insurance.
9. Make it law that businesses are not liable if their customers catch this virus just as they are not liable if one of their customers catches the flu etc.
10. Relax licensing laws to allow pubs / hotels to do as much business outside without needing to go through time-consuming and expensive individual applications.
How about these for starters.
https://twitter.com/Munchbunch87/status/1265237587695992832?s=20
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending15may2020
There's an iceberg effect here- we just don't know how big.
Also, think back to Jezza v Thatch; even a 55-45 win isn't enough, really. Technically, maybe, but not really.
So what is?
Wait until they find out the truth. And wait until they finally have to make the decisions they have been desperate to avoid for months.
Might I suggest you contact local MPs, government departments, trade bodies etc.
The problem the government faces is that the likes of Piers Moron will rant that the government wants to kill people whenever there's any suggestion of reducing restrictions.
Although Boris has already kicked 20 of his own MPs out of the Conservative Party in a single day for defying him, so maybe even that wouldn't do the trick.
R² = 0.9888
From the peak (Yes 959 is artificially fitted, as was 893 for the hospitals) so slightly more positive actually.
Edit: English and welsh hospitals that's for...
Brexit Tory MPs hate Cummings because he correctly identified that they were a load of useless idiotic tossers who would do their campaign more harm than good unless they were ruthlessly pushed aside.
Remainers hate Cummings for precisely the same reason.
Dido oversaw one of the biggest breaches of private data whilst at Talk Talk.
Tories gave her a job in charge of data.
Any idea if its true?
The incinerations were part of a money-saving programme to run down the state’s stock of 1.7 billion protective masks that had reached a peak in 2011.
Neither ministers nor MPs had questioned the initiative, which would almost certainly have escaped attention altogether if the pandemic had never struck."
(£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-frances-facemask-fiasco-burns-deep-for-macron-kfkbdsd57
Unlocking outdoor hospitality should be done already. Its literally insane when we know that outdoor transmission is much less likely than indoor transmission that we are opening up indoor businesses while keeping outdoor ones locked out.
Are they seriously suggesting that in a couple of weeks time if I'm bored I can go spend time with thousands of other people browsing in a shopping complex like The Trafford Centre but I can't sit in the sunshine keeping summer hospitality businesses alive?
Its insane. The government is doing an awful job here going arse over tit.
y = 1280e-0.035x R² = 0.9496 or
y = 1434.7e-0.04x R² = 0.9666
Which indicates a 17 to 20 day halving time for the virus, take your pick.
https://twitter.com/harryyorke1/status/1265712272447541248?s=21
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/coronavirus-in-scotland-inverclyde-death-rate-is-double-the-average-qjpxvxjbv
People making the argument that it would be OK expose their 'morality' as a sham.
Alternatively they could be following advice.
Oh dear.
Good for her.
Tim Farron, on the other hand, has been very active and vocal.
The majority continues to tumble
The pretty pictures on your computer are not reality - nor are the electoral calculus projections.
When she was asked if the hacked data at Talk Talk was encrpyted her reply was:
"The awful truth is I don't know"
She is the chair of the Test and Trace programme so therefore persumably oversees the App. What could possibly go wrong?
"I didn't visit my dying relative, yet he can go to Durham"
He didn't visit dying relatives, he wouldn't be allowed in the hospital/care home same as anyone else. Even if he had just gone to Durham because it was more comfortable than staying in London, it shouldn't give people grievance over their non visiting of people with covid-19 in hospitals, it makes no difference
https://twitter.com/yespaulineeyre/status/1265690199687864320?s=21
EM canned from tonights show...
But would it be much of a holiday? We are staying in a hotel down the road from our friends.. would the hotels let people come and go? Masks worn?
Con -2%
Lab +4%
LD -3%
Grn +1%
* I dont know and accept I wont ever know the truth either way. All these years later estimates for Chernobyl range from 31 to a few million!
"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall". Proverbs, 16:18.
We'll see.
Give over. It didn't matter who the candidates were, they were vapid placeholder names and utterly irrelevant.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-trial-hydroxychloroquine-covid-treatment.html
The latest hydroxychloroqin trial that was completed and found that it wasn't efficacious (funded by drug companies who make other stuff) did not use it in conjunction with Zinc, which is the combination that has shown remarkable results anecdotally:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc
'Must be taken in conjunction with zinc'
'Every patient given this has been symptom free in 8 to 10 hours'
This would be a real scandal. If a cheap and easy to produce anti-malarial drug in combination with a widely available mineral were to be the gold standard coronavirus treatment, and had the capability to stop this being a feared diagnosis, but drug companies and people who frankly just don't like Donald Trump stop it happening.
But as you were, Cummings etc....
Less good for Starmer.
And some people are already in a panic at the possibility:
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1265693847545360390
If his friends and family don't call him Gideon then why should the public call him Gideon?
There's something deeply nasty about this name shaming. Call people what they want to be called, its just basic respect.
The problem has been the wider death rate outside care homes. Our hospital numbers are horrendous.