I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
"Up until Monday, the UK government had resisted following governments of other countries which have already advised its people to wear face coverings when outside of their homes.
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific advisor, said there had been a "long debate about the efficacy of face coverings" but that coverings can "reduce the probability" of the disease being transmitted by a person.
"The view of SAGE was that there is evidence of a modest effect in terms of someone protecting someone else," he said."
SAGE, in their wisdom, have finally realised what a drunken idiot like me realised ten weeks ago, and which every other government in the world realised about a month ago.
This is not just a calamitous error, it is possibly a political car crash, because this is something where everyone can see that government was lying or inept, or both, and thereby causing unnecessary deaths.
The research since the beginning of the pandemic has not been utterly conclusive, but it has without a shadow of doubt trended in one direction only. And the evidence of countries with high mask usage is unequivocal.
It's quite possible that universal mask usage has a similar efficacy to lockdown, and it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Not that hard to manufacture, either, if government tried in the same way it did with ventilators. 1
It is also a measure that really doesn't have any downsides. You tell people to wear one AND maintain social distancing. If they don't work, you haven't lost anything.
Maybe people feel a bit more secure wearing one and wouldn't respect social distancing as much? If they don't work you've just increased transmission a bit.
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
"Up until Monday, the UK government had resisted following governments of other countries which have already advised its people to wear face coverings when outside of their homes.
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific advisor, said there had been a "long debate about the efficacy of face coverings" but that coverings can "reduce the probability" of the disease being transmitted by a person.
"The view of SAGE was that there is evidence of a modest effect in terms of someone protecting someone else," he said."
SAGE, in their wisdom, have finally realised what a drunken idiot like me realised ten weeks ago, and which every other government in the world realised about a month ago.
This is not just a calamitous error, it is possibly a political car crash, because this is something where everyone can see that government was lying or inept, or both, and thereby causing unnecessary deaths.
The research since the beginning of the pandemic has not been utterly conclusive, but it has without a shadow of doubt trended in one direction only. And the evidence of countries with high mask usage is unequivocal.
It's quite possible that universal mask usage has a similar efficacy to lockdown, and it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Not that hard to manufacture, either, if government tried in the same way it did with ventilators. 1
It is also a measure that really doesn't have any downsides. You tell people to wear one AND maintain social distancing. If they don't work, you haven't lost anything.
Maybe people feel a bit more secure wearing one and wouldn't respect social distancing as much? If they don't work you've just increased transmission a bit.
Research indicates otherwise.
Ah, I hadn't seen that. There's no psychological impact of wearing one in that way?
I tend to agree with this article but with two important notes of caution:
1. Clinton led Trump ON POLLING DAY and won by 2%. Analyses by psephologists in the know tend to suggest Biden is going to need a 3 or 4% lead. So the chart showing a polling lead isn't always showing an electoral college lead, in all likelihood.
2. Trump has the advantage of incumbency that neither candidate had in 2016. It does TEND to be the case that undecideds break for the devil they know, although it's hard to see how that will play out with such a devisive devil as Donald.
Clinton was hardly an aphrodisiac to the GOTVers...... Trump had novelty value in 2016...... The timing of the Comey letter..... The Green candidate in 2016.....
The stars were aligned for Trump in 2016- and he lost on the vote share....
If it helps stop droplets, probably? I can see surgical masks for sale on there.
The lead times are not quick. I can see there being big supply issues going forward.
Yep, but this has been trailed for weeks now. But look around, you'll be able to find some if you really need/want some.
I don’t actually want any, but if the Government is going to insist, they have to be readily available...
Do you still not get it? How hard is this?
You're not wearing a mask to protect yourself. You're wearing a mask to protect others around you, in case you are asymptomatic but infected. Even conversation, without a mask, is enough to transmit the disease to others
Wearing a mask is the civic, unselfish thing to do. What's more, by wearing a mask you encourage others to wear a mask, and if they wear a mask they are protecting you from their possible infections.
See? This is where Asian collectivism defeats western individualism. This isn't about YOU it's about EVERYONE
However it also works for you the individual. If everyone wears a mask, YOU are significantly protected from Covid-19.
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
Would have been a great announcement 3 months ago...
Given most travel restrictions were introduced 2 months ago that would have been well ahead of the curve.....
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
Arranged? Doesn't say anything about paying.
I hope they do make them pay.....either that or send them home.
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
Arranged? Doesn't say anything about paying.
I hope they do make them pay.....either that or send them home.
It'll be a welcome source of income for the hotels... no matter who is paying. Think of it as a government subsidy.
What 2016 showed is it is polls in the key swing states e.g. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida that matter, not the national popular vote totals
Most Florida polls had Trump ahead and Trafalgar group had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania
Now if only we had a way to work out which factoids to cherry-pick ahead of time...
Although I have misgivings on HUFYD in UK politics...his faultless ideological purity for all things blue...his contribution to US politics is the best on this site....
BTW- Where is Jack W- another great contributor on US POTUS....
No foreign holibobs for most people this summer...
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
It is sensible and sets out a clear plan in all the key areas and offers a hope to get back to some sort of normality.
Timescales look sensible - a priority should be to allow the mixing of household bubbles as soon as possible, this should take place by 1 June at the latest.
Totally agree with the Header. That you can lay Trump at evens is IMO one of those bets that if you don't do it - and in SIZE - you will have sleepless nights for years thereafter. I see him below 200 in the EC.
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
I'm sure all those punters who were about to use a new t shirt that they wanted to keep will be relieved. Slightly mystified as to why it should be small or extra small.
The sheer mind numbing complacency and ignorance of these statements really is quite something to behold.
The government clearly believes there are people stupid enough to reopen a tradionally face to face business under the crushing weight of this insane red tape. Or any other business for that matter.
Every day the chasm between revenue and expenditure widens.
This Thursday isn't that long of a lead time in the circumstances. Nor if you're not in a hurry is early next week.
The reviews are a bit suspect. Some say you only get 10 masks, and over £20 for 10 masks is steep. Another says they are very small are barely cover your mouth and nose. 🤷♂️
When primary schools begin to reopen - and the earliest this could happen is the beginning of next month - all children in Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 could return, as they could be spread out throughout the whole school. But the decision will rest with headteachers.
Parents who decide not to send their children back to school will not be fined for keeping them away.
If only 1% of kids are going at the moment (out of a possible 20% who are kids of key workers), and the decision is with unions / headteachers / parents, realistically we aren't going to see many kids back at school.
It is sensible and sets out a clear plan in all the key areas and offers a hope to get back to some sort of normality.
Timescales look sensible - a priority should be to allow the mixing of household bubbles as soon as possible, this should take place by 1 June at the latest.
The only misstep I can see is the only one person outside your household outside. I appreciate they don't want a pizza party in Hyde Park but what about family or complicated requirements/situaions is my thinking.
No foreign holibobs for most people this summer...
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
I wonder if this has been tied in with Project Restart?
Clearly talks have been ongoing. That the Premier League were aiming for "from June" and the government have said "not before 1 June" does not seem entirely coincidental.
A billion pound industry, the government will lose hundreds of million of pounds in taxes if the season isn't completed.
There is a phrase that runs through this document which is smart or smarter. They’re trying to do smarter controls.
What they’ve been doing thus far is really blunt - everything must stop aside from absolute essentials.
In that time people have started to work out how they can do things in their lives while maintaining social distancing.
What the government is hoping is that we can do more and more with those lessons that we’ve learned in the last few weeks.
I think we’re going to move into a phase where we are relying on people’s common sense.
The concern of people like the Police Federation is that there are lots of people who don’t have much common sense and that’s where the difficulty comes. And the government is saying that we need to start relying on people’s common sense in some of these limited areas.
What 2016 showed is it is polls in the key swing states e.g. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida that matter, not the national popular vote totals
Most Florida polls had Trump ahead and Trafalgar group had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania
Now if only we had a way to work out which factoids to cherry-pick ahead of time...
Although I have misgivings on HUFYD in UK politics...his faultless ideological purity for all things blue...his contribution to US politics is the best on this site....
BTW- Where is Jack W- another great contributor on US POTUS....
What 2016 showed is it is polls in the key swing states e.g. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida that matter, not the national popular vote totals
Most Florida polls had Trump ahead and Trafalgar group had Trump ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania
Now if only we had a way to work out which factoids to cherry-pick ahead of time...
Although I have misgivings on HUFYD in UK politics...his faultless ideological purity for all things blue...his contribution to US politics is the best on this site....
BTW- Where is Jack W- another great contributor on US POTUS....
Thanks Tyson
I really appreciate the leg work you put in on the US elections...with all the up to date state polls....
No foreign holibobs for most people this summer...
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
This Thursday isn't that long of a lead time in the circumstances. Nor if you're not in a hurry is early next week.
The reviews are a bit suspect. Some say you only get 10 masks, and over £20 for 10 masks is steep. Another says they are very small are barely cover your mouth and nose. 🤷♂️
There's lots of other ones I found too and again just a quick search. Quite consistently seem to be available for delivery for free/cheap delivery by early next week and later this week for premium delivery. Doesn't seem like an especially long time in the circumstances.
I chose that link because they look very much like the clinical ones that I've seen before, but just from the picture.
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
No foreign holibobs for most people this summer...
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
Second, the Government will require all international arrivals not on a short list of exemptions to self-isolate in their accommodation for fourteen days on arrival into the UK. Where international travellers are unable to demonstrate where they would self-isolate, they will be required to do so in accommodation arranged by the Government. The Government is working closely with the devolved administrations to coordinate implementation across the UK.
In Singapore and Australia when they introduced 14 day self quarantine if a non-resident arrived without a 14 day hotel reservation they were simply refused entry.
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
Still reading through, but did notice that the plan mentions schools, nannies and childminders, but not nurseries - though the implication is that they should reopen.
It is sensible and sets out a clear plan in all the key areas and offers a hope to get back to some sort of normality.
Timescales look sensible - a priority should be to allow the mixing of household bubbles as soon as possible, this should take place by 1 June at the latest.
The only misstep I can see is the only one person outside your household outside. I appreciate they don't want a pizza party in Hyde Park but what about family or complicated requirements/situaions is my thinking.
Yes, the sooner that the government can make that more flexible the better but we are seeing progress there.
The French exemption is just weird. If they said, exemption for those driving freight, I could understand, and yes there are all sorts of rules in France at the moment. But if they lift them before us, then we get in this stupid situation.
I predict we are going to see bog roll style hoarding all over again....glad I already have my reusable respirator mask.
How the feck are they going to explain away their volte face on this?
Did the science on masks completely change? Why did they tell us masks had no benefits? How many got infected, how many died, because the British government was lying to the people, or just enormously stupid?
It was obvious from early Feb that masks were useful in reducing transmission from the wearer, as long as enough people wore them.
Now the government looks duplicitous AND incompetent, in the middle of a terrible plague
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
Will they not need 50m a day?
I strongly suspect that the reason the government did not recommend masks was because they knew that there was an insufficient supply and what supply they had was urgently needed for front line staff who had no choice but to take the risks that operating without one entailed. Which is fair enough, really.
No foreign holibobs for most people this summer...
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
There is a phrase that runs through this document which is smart or smarter. They’re trying to do smarter controls.
What they’ve been doing thus far is really blunt - everything must stop aside from absolute essentials.
In that time people have started to work out how they can do things in their lives while maintaining social distancing.
What the government is hoping is that we can do more and more with those lessons that we’ve learned in the last few weeks.
I think we’re going to move into a phase where we are relying on people’s common sense.
The concern of people like the Police Federation is that there are lots of people who don’t have much common sense and that’s where the difficulty comes. And the government is saying that we need to start relying on people’s common sense in some of these limited areas.
In the end, we were always going to have to rely on common sense. Which is why we should have relied on it more from the start.
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
"Up until Monday, the UK government had resisted following governments of other countries which have already advised its people to wear face coverings when outside of their homes.
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific advisor, said there had been a "long debate about the efficacy of face coverings" but that coverings can "reduce the probability" of the disease being transmitted by a person.
"The view of SAGE was that there is evidence of a modest effect in terms of someone protecting someone else," he said."
SAGE, in their wisdom, have finally realised what a drunken idiot like me realised ten weeks ago, and which every other government in the world realised about a month ago.
This is not just a calamitous error, it is possibly a political car crash, because this is something where everyone can see that government was lying or inept, or both, and thereby causing unnecessary deaths.
The research since the beginning of the pandemic has not been utterly conclusive, but it has without a shadow of doubt trended in one direction only. And the evidence of countries with high mask usage is unequivocal.
It's quite possible that universal mask usage has a similar efficacy to lockdown, and it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Not that hard to manufacture, either, if government tried in the same way it did with ventilators. 1
It is also a measure that really doesn't have any downsides. You tell people to wear one AND maintain social distancing. If they don't work, you haven't lost anything.
Maybe people feel a bit more secure wearing one and wouldn't respect social distancing as much? If they don't work you've just increased transmission a bit.
Research indicates otherwise.
Ah, I hadn't seen that. There's no psychological impact of wearing one in that way?
From what I can recall, it works in the other direction.
I predict we are going to see bog roll style hoarding all over again....glad I already have my reusable respirator mask.
How the feck are they going to explain away their volte face on this?
Did the science on masks completely change? Why did they tell us masks had no benefits? How many got infected, how many died, because the British government was lying to the people, or just enormously stupid?
It was obvious from early Feb that masks were useful in reducing transmission from the wearer, as long as enough people wore them.
Now the government looks duplicitous AND incompetent, in the middle of a terrible plague
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
Will they not need 50m a day?
I strongly suspect that the reason the government did not recommend masks was because they knew that there was an insufficient supply and what supply they had was urgently needed for front line staff who had no choice but to take the risks that operating without one entailed. Which is fair enough, really.
That is 50 million domestically made ones and that is just the target for start of August (I presume they will kick on from there). Also, that doesn't mean they won't also still buy them in from usual places like China.
I believe Korea you get 2 a week provided by the state.
The French exemption is just weird. If they said, exemption for those driving freight, I could understand, and yes there are all sorts of rules in France at the moment. But if they lift them before us, then we get in this stupid situation.
The French exemption is just weird. If they said, exemption for those driving freight, I could understand, and yes there are all sorts of rules in France at the moment. But if they lift them before us, then we get in this stupid situation.
Johnson & Macron have agreed they'd keep them under review - so if France changes its regs, the UK can too.
I predict we are going to see bog roll style hoarding all over again....glad I already have my reusable respirator mask.
How the feck are they going to explain away their volte face on this?
Did the science on masks completely change? Why did they tell us masks had no benefits? How many got infected, how many died, because the British government was lying to the people, or just enormously stupid?
It was obvious from early Feb that masks were useful in reducing transmission from the wearer, as long as enough people wore them.
Now the government looks duplicitous AND incompetent, in the middle of a terrible plague
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
Will they not need 50m a day?
I strongly suspect that the reason the government did not recommend masks was because they knew that there was an insufficient supply and what supply they had was urgently needed for front line staff who had no choice but to take the risks that operating without one entailed. Which is fair enough, really.
My employer requires people working onsite to wear two company-issued masks a day. If this is typical then there will be a huge increase in demand for masks, in addition to the masks needed for commuting by public transport.
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
"Up until Monday, the UK government had resisted following governments of other countries which have already advised its people to wear face coverings when outside of their homes.
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific advisor, said there had been a "long debate about the efficacy of face coverings" but that coverings can "reduce the probability" of the disease being transmitted by a person.
"The view of SAGE was that there is evidence of a modest effect in terms of someone protecting someone else," he said."
SAGE, in their wisdom, have finally realised what a drunken idiot like me realised ten weeks ago, and which every other government in the world realised about a month ago.
This is not just a calamitous error, it is possibly a political car crash, because this is something where everyone can see that government was lying or inept, or both, and thereby causing unnecessary deaths.
The research since the beginning of the pandemic has not been utterly conclusive, but it has without a shadow of doubt trended in one direction only. And the evidence of countries with high mask usage is unequivocal.
It's quite possible that universal mask usage has a similar efficacy to lockdown, and it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Not that hard to manufacture, either, if government tried in the same way it did with ventilators. 1
It is also a measure that really doesn't have any downsides. You tell people to wear one AND maintain social distancing. If they don't work, you haven't lost anything.
Maybe people feel a bit more secure wearing one and wouldn't respect social distancing as much? If they don't work you've just increased transmission a bit.
Research indicates otherwise.
Ah, I hadn't seen that. There's no psychological impact of wearing one in that way?
From what I can recall, it works in the other direction.
Thanks, that would be interesting to read if you did remember where you saw it. Not to worry if you don't though, I'll take your word for it.
I think he's mocking the Beth Rigby and Piers Morgan style catastrophism
Arhh I see...I was confused :-) ....bit like Germany testing approach was the bees knees, until we copied and then it was big bad private companies involved / Tory government privatising NHS services again.
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
When primary schools begin to reopen - and the earliest this could happen is the beginning of next month - all children in Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 could return, as they could be spread out throughout the whole school. But the decision will rest with headteachers.
Parents who decide not to send their children back to school will not be fined for keeping them away.
If only 1% of kids are going at the moment (out of a possible 20% who are kids of key workers), and the decision is with unions / headteachers / parents, realistically we aren't going to see many kids back at school.
I don't think that's entirely right. Of the 20% that had some basis to send their kids to school, it is fair to say that attendance was heavily discouraged unless absolutely required.
Mrs Rata is in the key worker list, but the guidance discouraged nursery attendance unless both
Still reading through, but did notice that the plan mentions schools, nannies and childminders, but not nurseries - though the implication is that they should reopen.
Nah, I just missed it. June 1st, referred to as early years providers.
When primary schools begin to reopen - and the earliest this could happen is the beginning of next month - all children in Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 could return, as they could be spread out throughout the whole school. But the decision will rest with headteachers.
Parents who decide not to send their children back to school will not be fined for keeping them away.
If only 1% of kids are going at the moment (out of a possible 20% who are kids of key workers), and the decision is with unions / headteachers / parents, realistically we aren't going to see many kids back at school.
I don't think that's entirely right. Of the 20% that had some basis to send their kids to school, it is fair to say that attendance was heavily discouraged unless absolutely required.
Mrs Rata is in the key worker list, but the guidance discouraged nursery attendance unless both were working the same hours out with the house. I'm a WfH office worker and not a key worker, so I ended up combining my work with crèche, due to the advice, yet my kids are amongst the 20% who are 'entitled' to schooling.
"A face covering is not the same as a facemask such as the surgical masks or respirators used as part of personal protective equipment by healthcare and other workers"
I think he's mocking the Beth Rigby and Piers Morgan style catastrophism
Arhh I see...I was confused :-) ....bit like Germany testing approach was the bees knees, until we copied and then it was big bad private companies involved / Tory government privatising NHS services again.
Everyone's still allowed to laugh at the shite messaging and bunch of bumbling incompetents doing it though, right?
I wouldn't be surprised in the redacted SAGE documents if is probably information that says something like masks do reduce transmission, but concern over supplies to front line staff mean we will recommend ....
I haven't heard any plans from the government how they are now going to meet this need. Germany said last month they were setting up dedicated production in order to make 50 million a week by August.
"Up until Monday, the UK government had resisted following governments of other countries which have already advised its people to wear face coverings when outside of their homes.
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific advisor, said there had been a "long debate about the efficacy of face coverings" but that coverings can "reduce the probability" of the disease being transmitted by a person.
"The view of SAGE was that there is evidence of a modest effect in terms of someone protecting someone else," he said."
SAGE, in their wisdom, have finally realised what a drunken idiot like me realised ten weeks ago, and which every other government in the world realised about a month ago.
This is not just a calamitous error, it is possibly a political car crash, because this is something where everyone can see that government was lying or inept, or both, and thereby causing unnecessary deaths.
The research since the beginning of the pandemic has not been utterly conclusive, but it has without a shadow of doubt trended in one direction only. And the evidence of countries with high mask usage is unequivocal.
It's quite possible that universal mask usage has a similar efficacy to lockdown, and it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Not that hard to manufacture, either, if government tried in the same way it did with ventilators. 1
It is also a measure that really doesn't have any downsides. You tell people to wear one AND maintain social distancing. If they don't work, you haven't lost anything.
Maybe people feel a bit more secure wearing one and wouldn't respect social distancing as much? If they don't work you've just increased transmission a bit.
Research indicates otherwise.
Ah, I hadn't seen that. There's no psychological impact of wearing one in that way?
From what I can recall, it works in the other direction.
Thanks, that would be interesting to read if you did remember where you saw it. Not to worry if you don't though, I'll take your word for it.
Arhh I see...I was confused :-) ....bit like Germany testing approach was the bees knees
It still is on twitter ....... even when we're doing 3x as many per capita.
Funny how less keen on copying invasive tracking apps used by South Korea now, something something, Brexit, something, Cummings, something something, Peter Thiel.
I tend to agree with this article but with two important notes of caution:
1. Clinton led Trump ON POLLING DAY and won by 2%. Analyses by psephologists in the know tend to suggest Biden is going to need a 3 or 4% lead. So the chart showing a polling lead isn't always showing an electoral college lead, in all likelihood.
2. Trump has the advantage of incumbency that neither candidate had in 2016. It does TEND to be the case that undecideds break for the devil they know, although it's hard to see how that will play out with such a devisive devil as Donald.
I agree with both of these, and actually cut a paragraph on the first one for space/concision concerns. I'm not entirely convinced he needs a bigger lead to win than she did given his apparent strength in the rust belt; but I broadly agree with you.
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Trump had novelty value in 2016......
The timing of the Comey letter.....
The Green candidate in 2016.....
The stars were aligned for Trump in 2016- and he lost on the vote share....
I hope they do make them pay.....either that or send them home.
Although I have misgivings on HUFYD in UK politics...his faultless ideological purity for all things blue...his contribution to US politics is the best on this site....
BTW- Where is Jack W- another great contributor on US POTUS....
However, the measures will apply to UK holidaymakers returning from other destinations. Travel industry analysts said that meant a one-week or two-week holiday abroad would be followed by another two weeks in self-isolation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52610594
It is sensible and sets out a clear plan in all the key areas and offers a hope to get back to some sort of normality.
Timescales look sensible - a priority should be to allow the mixing of household bubbles as soon as possible, this should take place by 1 June at the latest.
Slightly mystified as to why it should be small or extra small.
This Thursday isn't that long of a lead time in the circumstances. Nor if you're not in a hurry is early next week.
No professional sport in England until 1 June at earliest (no cricket until at least July)
https://www.bbc.com/sport/52619111
The government clearly believes there are people stupid enough to reopen a tradionally face to face business under the crushing weight of this insane red tape. Or any other business for that matter.
Every day the chasm between revenue and expenditure widens.
Parents who decide not to send their children back to school will not be fined for keeping them away.
If only 1% of kids are going at the moment (out of a possible 20% who are kids of key workers), and the decision is with unions / headteachers / parents, realistically we aren't going to see many kids back at school.
Clearly talks have been ongoing. That the Premier League were aiming for "from June" and the government have said "not before 1 June" does not seem entirely coincidental.
A billion pound industry, the government will lose hundreds of million of pounds in taxes if the season isn't completed.
There is a phrase that runs through this document which is smart or smarter. They’re trying to do smarter controls.
What they’ve been doing thus far is really blunt - everything must stop aside from absolute essentials.
In that time people have started to work out how they can do things in their lives while maintaining social distancing.
What the government is hoping is that we can do more and more with those lessons that we’ve learned in the last few weeks.
I think we’re going to move into a phase where we are relying on people’s common sense.
The concern of people like the Police Federation is that there are lots of people who don’t have much common sense and that’s where the difficulty comes. And the government is saying that we need to start relying on people’s common sense in some of these limited areas.
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1259624290758131712?s=19
I chose that link because they look very much like the clinical ones that I've seen before, but just from the picture.
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1259540093305569280
I strongly suspect that the reason the government did not recommend masks was because they knew that there was an insufficient supply and what supply they had was urgently needed for front line staff who had no choice but to take the risks that operating without one entailed. Which is fair enough, really.
Have a trade fair in Paris in September, though - I suspect thats unlikely....
Insert your own joke here...
I believe Korea you get 2 a week provided by the state.
https://www.csis.org/east-green-chinas-global-leadership-renewable-energy
Mrs Rata is in the key worker list, but the guidance discouraged nursery attendance unless both
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52367918
By weird chance I was reading a little of Catullus' poetry an hour or two ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4IqZmydiM
Crowded? The queues for B&Q and Tescos are more crowded than that video. It actually looks like people are being very sensible.
There goes Liverpool's championship.
And so Londoncentric once more. It must be strange for the media to realise the entire country doesn't live and work in central London.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/coronavirus/resumption-of-british-racing-pushed-back-to-june-1-at-the-earliest/433693
Besides if the league gets abandoned from here then surely Liverpool would be champions just like PSG were awarded the French championship.