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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    edited April 2020

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was a silly pledge.

    This is not a Soviet tractor factory. There is a need for testing, but first there needs to be a plan on who to test and why. Numbers mean nothing without that.

    I don't mind Hancock, but I suspect he will be the first one chucked out of the sinking balloon.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Damn. Missed the University Challenge final -- too busy watching Knives Out.

    Hey, @TheScreamingEagles

    Imperial thrash some two-bit college from Cambridge!
    Imperial is a dump, they’ll take anyone.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    My donation is on its way.
  • bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    "What I'm finding surprising is talking to contacts in local authorities there's no real sense of the fiscal armageddon approaching...."

    In which case you're talking to the wrong people. In my own authority the burn rate is over £1m per month when I take into account extra costs of working [running 7 days, homelessness etc], reductions in income [parking, leisure income], for example.

    Next year could be just as hard. Lack of New Homes Bonus for house completions and lack of increase in Business Rates income with drag us for years.

    And then there is the uncertainty over commercial income from trading - successive Governments have driven municipal entrepreneurialism. I have no sympathy for those who speculated on distressed assets on cheap borrowed money from the PWLB like pound-shop hedge funds.

    But, depending on how long this goes on, I'm looking at losing income representing 50-75% of my annual net budget. And I'm one of the better ones. One Hertfordshire authority is looking at an £11m shortfall on an annual net budget of £9.5m

    Rishi Sunak's £1.6bn lifeboat will be essential to us provided it doesn't get purloined by the Health Service to back fill social care pressures and the inflated value of PPE.

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot - who just donated too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489

    Mortimer said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    For the first time in a long while, I am worried about money. And I have a decent amount, by the standards of most people.

    But what will my future income be? I simply don’t know. And I am the breadwinner for three people. They all depend on me. If I got this bug and croaked they’d be screwed.

    I find myself pondering the price of a bottle of really nice wine, and thinking, hmm, maybe not. Dial it down

    If that is happening to me it must be happening to 99.9% of humanity. Consumer demand is going to nosedive

    Wine growers of France start panicking now!
    It’s not calamitous. Yet. But I’ve gone from daily drinking wines in the £20-£40 bracket to the £10-£20 range.

    Indeed I reckon absurdly expensive French wine is going to take a big hit in this crisis. It is wildly overpriced. The Chinese are staring at their first recession in 50 years. And they are huge buyers of hideously expensive claret.

    Coming soon to a Lidl near you, Haut Brion for a fiver
    If it follows oil, bottles may be more expensive than the contents....
    Or you might be paid to drink it.
    Where do I sign?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    Who could possibly be the source of that briefing?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    Who could possibly be the source of that briefing?
    Now who recently returned from sick leave....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    Who could possibly be the source of that briefing?
    Now who recently returned from sick leave....
    🤷‍♂️
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    The return of Jeremy Hunt?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    bunnco said:

    "What I'm finding surprising is talking to contacts in local authorities there's no real sense of the fiscal armageddon approaching...."

    In which case you're talking to the wrong people. In my own authority the burn rate is over £1m per month when I take into account extra costs of working [running 7 days, homelessness etc], reductions in income [parking, leisure income], for example.

    Next year could be just as hard. Lack of New Homes Bonus for house completions and lack of increase in Business Rates income with drag us for years.

    And then there is the uncertainty over commercial income from trading - successive Governments have driven municipal entrepreneurialism. I have no sympathy for those who speculated on distressed assets on cheap borrowed money from the PWLB like pound-shop hedge funds.

    But, depending on how long this goes on, I'm looking at losing income representing 50-75% of my annual net budget. And I'm one of the better ones. One Hertfordshire authority is looking at an £11m shortfall on an annual net budget of £9.5m

    Rishi Sunak's £1.6bn lifeboat will be essential to us provided it doesn't get purloined by the Health Service to back fill social care pressures and the inflated value of PPE.

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot - who just donated too.

    I tend to deal with County Councils, my friend, so some of what you say won't apply but some of it will.

    Those Councils will also be looking for the Chancellor's help in dealing with adult social care. As I said earlier, I don't know what the future of elderly care looks like - it's not my field but the appalling publicity over deaths in homes will surely be a huge disincentive .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    However provocative they were being, there is no way a police officer can threaten to commit perjury as part of an incident. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

    But doing it on camera - that’s utterly cretinous.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?
    The President of the USA?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Put a bit in too - for society to crumble is one thing, but PB must stand!

    My sentiment exactly!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?
    The President of the USA?
    OK you’ve trumped me there.

    I shall go off to bed.

    Goodnight.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    In all seriousness, are there any likely replacements available whose stock has risen during this crisis? A lot of people seem to be finding good things to say about the Chancellor but needless to say he's not going anywhere. Dumping a (very cheesed off) unionised workforce with Gove looks like a non-starter.

    Who else is there?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    Being "log", the bottom line of the chart is 1. If you're below 1, it means 0. Yet that chart seems to have two different "points" below 0. Which makes no sense.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1252315532621164545

    Or, we don't destroy our economy by unlocking sooner rather than later, and looking to Sweden.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    rcs1000 said:

    Being "log", the bottom line of the chart is 1. If you're below 1, it means 0. Yet that chart seems to have two different "points" below 0. Which makes no sense.
    I was sort of joking....based on dodgy chinese numbers and how can the oil price go negative.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608
    rcs1000 said:

    Being "log", the bottom line of the chart is 1. If you're below 1, it means 0. Yet that chart seems to have two different "points" below 0. Which makes no sense.
    The Reanimator lives?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    In all seriousness, are there any likely replacements available whose stock has risen during this crisis? A lot of people seem to be finding good things to say about the Chancellor but needless to say he's not going anywhere. Dumping a (very cheesed off) unionised workforce with Gove looks like a non-starter.

    Who else is there?
    Jeremy Hunt, obv.

    But to be fair, I think Matt Hancock has done well, barring that one misspeak about NHS staff not being frugal enough with the PPE.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    However provocative they were being, there is no way a police officer can threaten to commit perjury as part of an incident. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

    But doing it on camera - that’s utterly cretinous.
    Ffs he’s a human. He didn’t punch or kick anyone. In America he would have shot someone and then got away with it.

    His mouth was bigger than his brain. It’s not good. Demote him. Whatever. But a career should not end over a stupid statement, and we do need to see the bigger video if we can.
    A school friend of mine got chucked out of the force for crashing a party while drunk. Mind you he did smash the front door off its hinges to do so.

    He was a a bit Constable Savage so no one was too surprised.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,878
    rcs1000 said:

    Being "log", the bottom line of the chart is 1. If you're below 1, it means 0. Yet that chart seems to have two different "points" below 0. Which makes no sense.
    My first instinct was that it's a parody of negative oil prices!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    On spending for as long as I'm getting a full salary my plan is to spend as normally as possible - I'm conscious others depend on it.

    This does not extend to South Western Railway.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    rcs1000 said:

    Being "log", the bottom line of the chart is 1. If you're below 1, it means 0. Yet that chart seems to have two different "points" below 0. Which makes no sense.
    below is surely 0.1, 0.01, 0.001... etc?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    The return of Jeremy Hunt?
    Hunt has been a critic of Boris and was SoS when the Exercise Cygnus findings on lack of preparedness for pandemics were suppressed rather than acted on. I'd be a layer of Hunt for anything above lollipop man, and even that assumes the schools ever reopen.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1252315532621164545

    Or, we don't destroy our economy by unlocking sooner rather than later, and looking to Sweden.

    It's also a consequence of there being bugger all spare oil storage capacity.

    The US government buying up private storage facilities to increase resilience to external shocks is resulting in the US system having less resilience...

    Sigh.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    However provocative they were being, there is no way a police officer can threaten to commit perjury as part of an incident. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

    But doing it on camera - that’s utterly cretinous.
    I'm surprised that he hasn't submitted a statement from a passerby, which is a copy of his typed statement, and entirely co-incidentally from a retired copper friend.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    The return of Jeremy Hunt?
    If, as is rumoured, one of the main conclusions of Exercise Cygnus was that the NHS would run out of PPE in the event of a major epidemic - and the report was then buried with no corrective action having been take to address the problem - then the man who so happened to be Health Secretary at the time might not be considered the optimal candidate to re-occupy the position.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited April 2020
    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I presume every country had a ONS analogue and that they collect weekly/monthly death statistics like the ONS does.

    Does anyone have links to other European countries ONS like pages.

    I want to look at overall mortality figures for countries, not Covid specific figures.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The state of Georgia announces it will open barber shops and gyms on Friday, restaurants on Monday, although rest in place for the elderly will remain in place until May 13. At least a light at the end of the tunnel.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    They are scrotey chavs. So probably very.

    But that's besides the point. Provocations like that are bread and butter if you're a police officer.

    You are trained (or should be) how to handle it and it should never be like that.

    That guy totally lost his cool and some of the arrogant stuff he said was deeply disturbing.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    However provocative they were being, there is no way a police officer can threaten to commit perjury as part of an incident. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

    But doing it on camera - that’s utterly cretinous.
    Ffs he’s a human. He didn’t punch or kick anyone. In America he would have shot someone and then got away with it.

    His mouth was bigger than his brain. It’s not good. Demote him. Whatever. But a career should not end over a stupid statement, and we do need to see the bigger video if we can.
    Trouble is, as iirc @Cyclefree intimated, this means any case where this copper gave evidence is now up for review. Depending how adventurous your brief is, possibly any involving his whole team or even station.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293725306445824

    Sounds like the very definition of deflation to me.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
  • Downing Street looking to sack Matt Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1252339097663950848

    It was an unnecessary hostage to fortune.

    He looks shattered and maybe a change is a possibility
    In all seriousness, are there any likely replacements available whose stock has risen during this crisis? A lot of people seem to be finding good things to say about the Chancellor but needless to say he's not going anywhere. Dumping a (very cheesed off) unionised workforce with Gove looks like a non-starter.

    Who else is there?
    Only Hunt but his role in the 2016 pandemic is controversial

    However, it would be hard on Hancock
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    eadric said:


    Coming soon to a Lidl near you, Haut Brion for a fiver

    You jest, Sir, but there was a major wine-price crash in the mid 1970s. I bought Ch Margaux from auction at £1.95 a bottle, a fraction of the original release price.

    Now, to be clear, it was of an awful year (1972). But, kept for 25 years, it actually turned out remarkably fine.

    I'm moderately hopeful that there will be some superb bargains coming up later this year, and of far, far better vintages...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1252315532621164545

    Or, we don't destroy our economy by unlocking sooner rather than later, and looking to Sweden.

    It's also a consequence of there being bugger all spare oil storage capacity.

    The US government buying up private storage facilities to increase resilience to external shocks is resulting in the US system having less resilience...

    Sigh.
    If they're paying me to take it I'm happy to store ten barrels of Brent crude in my garden.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608
    "If you have a May contract at expiration, you must take physical delivery of 1,000 barrels of oil at Cushing in Oklahoma"

    Is that the Peter principle?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,878
    edited April 2020
    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    Reminded of a lovely software engineering story about a commodities futures trader who setup in disused Dock buildings.

    New trading system was built and a test order was sent which, due to a bad test environment configuration, unfortunately hit the actual real live exchange.

    Come end of month a barge laden with coal turned up looking to unload.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
    All military aircraft travel with transponders switched on in peace time.

    Apart from the Russians, who turn them off because they think it is macho. It isn't.

    Turning off un-necessarily marks you out as the kind of knob who thinks that driving fast at night with the lights off as "cool"....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,878
    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
    It isn't - at least not officially! Hence the route "N/A to N/A" ;)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,602

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
  • bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    I tend to deal with County Councils, my friend, so some of what you say won't apply but some of it will.

    There's a tricky one. The Counties are saddled with social care and some extraordinary difficulties as some just have acquiesced to the demands to increase the per diem rates from care homes. On that basis the typical £26m awarded to each upper-tier authority was burned in 3 weeks. My own County Authority has spent £33m of it already ... and counting. It will be impossible to row-back from those rate increases agreed in desparation.

    Another tranche of funding was awarded on Saturday by Robert Jenrick but the more astute Counties like Warwickshire who maintained contract rates but granted exceptional forebearance grants. They stand to be more finanically resilient as time passes.

    There is a school of thought that, when the eye of the storm passes, care homes will be temporarily short of customers, which might deflate prices. I don;t subscribe to that view because the Government announced a move to the minimum wage of £10.50 by 2024 [60pc of median wage], which will increase wage costs by 18pc over the next 4 years.

    And anyone with an eye for the figures in County Councils knows that.

    A recasting of local Government might be coming that coincides a more nimble locally focused NHS on one hand as a role for groupings of former County Councils with reformed districts explicitly focused on economic growth, housing & the environment doing the final mile stuff.

    Stranger things have happened.

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    "Show me the money."

    "Show me the goods."

    "Show me the money."

    The world of PPE as small-time drug hoodlums....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Now I'm wondering what 85 tonnes of gowns looks like.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Since the advent of smart phones there has been a precipitous drop in reported UFO/BigFoot/BigCat sightings and a massive rise in documented police malfeasance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    I asked her for credit,

    She answered me, "Nay,

    custom like yours I can get anyday"

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2020

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293725306445824

    Sounds like the very definition of deflation to me.
    No, it's not deflation. It's a particular feature of the oil futures market, which is entirely based on the assumption that traders do not actually takes delivery of the oil they have contracted to buy. Normally this is no issue - it's just a question of whether the oil is worth more or less than they paid when they close the contract. However, if they can't find someone to take the contract off their hands, they are in deep, deep trouble - which is why the price can go negative. Otherwise the oil turns up at Cushing and it's their problem to find somewhere to store the stuff.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1252315532621164545

    Or, we don't destroy our economy by unlocking sooner rather than later, and looking to Sweden.

    It's also a consequence of there being bugger all spare oil storage capacity.

    The US government buying up private storage facilities to increase resilience to external shocks is resulting in the US system having less resilience...

    Sigh.
    If they're paying me to take it I'm happy to store ten barrels of Brent crude in my garden.
    You have to collect them in Cushing. So right now, the price is being set by the cost of getting trucks capable of storing oil to Cushing...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608
    RobD said:

    Now I'm wondering what 85 tonnes of gowns looks like.

    There was a typo. They've actually bought 85 tonnes of goons.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    "Show me the money."

    "Show me the goods."

    "Show me the money."

    The world of PPE as small-time drug hoodlums....
    It is clear the UK (and other countries) have been repeatedly burned over the past few weeks. There was story today how UK ordered a load of gowns and actually got a few gowns and instead a load of masks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    I had never heard of Cushing, until a comment down thread.

    "Cushing, Oklahoma, 70 miles northeast of Oklahoma City, is a sleepy town with a population just under 8,000. It’s also the intense focus of every major player in the American oil market right now.

    North American crude oil is pouring into Cushing, where dozens of steel storage tanks fan out from the outskirts of town, tank farms that march on for miles and connect to every major oil patch in North America through an maze of pipelines. Cushing’s nickname is “The Pipeline Crossroads of the World.”

    It’s one of the largest crude oil storage hubs on Earth, and in the U.S. arguably the most important. Delivery for West Texas Intermediate crude is taken here, priced for Nymex contracts and stored before it’s shipped to refineries."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/05/cushing-oklahoma-small-town-is-holding-illions-in-black-gold.html

    Truly PB is educational!!!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Sandpit said:

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
    I mentioned down thread, the occasion that some traders at one oil company screwed over some bankers who thought they could raid the oil market. They got cheap oil, all right. Then found out that the only available storage was owned by the company the traders they had dealt with, worked for.....
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    Looks like some shenanigans going on down there. One of our A400s just took off from Istanbul and is flying apparently the same route east as the C17. Hrrrm.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    RobD said:

    Now I'm wondering what 85 tonnes of gowns looks like.

    Probably a large number of light, bulky bales. At a guess.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,602
    edited April 2020

    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
    It isn't - at least not officially! Hence the route "N/A to N/A" ;)
    It has a civilian-spec transponder so ATC can see it, but it doesn’t have a flight plan in the civ system.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Andrew said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    Looks like some shenanigans going on down there. One of our A400s just took off from Istanbul and is flying apparently the same route east as the C17. Hrrrm.
    Air-to-air transfer? ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
    All military aircraft travel with transponders switched on in peace time.

    Apart from the Russians, who turn them off because they think it is macho. It isn't.

    Turning off un-necessarily marks you out as the kind of knob who thinks that driving fast at night with the lights off as "cool"....
    The cops used to do that on the M54 near Telford, to catch speeding motorists.

    And yet you want to throw out a gobby copper having his chain yanked by snotty kids?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    RobD said:

    Now I'm wondering what 85 tonnes of gowns looks like.

    Probably a large number of light, bulky bales. At a guess.....
    Lots of cardboard boxes is my guess...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    eadric said:

    Foxy said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    However provocative they were being, there is no way a police officer can threaten to commit perjury as part of an incident. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

    But doing it on camera - that’s utterly cretinous.
    Ffs he’s a human. He didn’t punch or kick anyone. In America he would have shot someone and then got away with it.

    His mouth was bigger than his brain. It’s not good. Demote him. Whatever. But a career should not end over a stupid statement, and we do need to see the bigger video if we can.
    A school friend of mine got chucked out of the force for crashing a party while drunk. Mind you he did smash the front door off its hinges to do so.

    He was a a bit Constable Savage so no one was too surprised.
    Without being too virtuous - I hope - we are entering an epoch when we all need to be a bit more understanding of each other, and the perils of the human condition.

    The absurd snitching and cancel culture of social media needs to end. People are going to say mad things from all ends of politics. We need to cut some slack for the Labour activist nurse who fibs about PPE just as we tolerate the cop who gets a bit mouthy in Cumbria.

    We don’t have time for this shit. Let people say sorry and let them keep their jobs.
    “Cancel culture”???? Are you f**king kidding? This isn’t some YouTube nonentity called out for 11 year old tweets. This is potentially someone’s livelihood and liberty. The power invested in the constabulary means they must be held to a much higher standard. How many times had he done this without someone videoing it? If you get sent down on the perjured testimony of a bent cop don’t come crying. It happens. This kid could have ended up with a criminal record or worse. I hope every single defendant convicted on the basis of this tosser’s evidence has their case reviewed and then appealed.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    Looks like some shenanigans going on down there. One of our A400s just took off from Istanbul and is flying apparently the same route east as the C17. Hrrrm.
    Air-to-air transfer? ;)
    A400M is indeed refuelling, no?
  • My my, what a happy conversation we are having this evening. I spent most of the day trying to reforecast our business for the next 15 months - a fun exercise in trying to best guess how people's changed eating habits will continue or not and to what extent.

    I don't fear my job particularly - but clearly the economy looks to be in a right old state. The various comments about spending up thread - we paid a deposit on getting our en suite done because it's tatty and we have an eye on selling up and moving north. No idea if the housing market will still function or in what way, and will press ahead with the work as it's needed.

    Beyond that? Spending a little more on groceries but zero on commuting/hotels, and have appraised"stuff" and realised I don't need any more. Which having happily pushed the boat out in the past isn't great news for people flogging discretionary spend stuff.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Another PR disaster for the government.

    https://twitter.com/JimBoardman/status/1252319591952519168
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    "Show me the money."

    "Show me the goods."

    "Show me the money."

    The world of PPE as small-time drug hoodlums....
    Did you ever see the Lenny Henry series "Chef"?

    There was a marvellous episode where he buys some cheddar made from un-processed (and hence illegal) milk. Done exactly as drug deal...
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
    I mentioned down thread, the occasion that some traders at one oil company screwed over some bankers who thought they could raid the oil market. They got cheap oil, all right. Then found out that the only available storage was owned by the company the traders they had dealt with, worked for.....
    How much does an oil tanker cost? In for a penny, in for a pound.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,878
    Andrew said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    Looks like some shenanigans going on down there. One of our A400s just took off from Istanbul and is flying apparently the same route east as the C17. Hrrrm.
    Is it ours? Says "country of registration N/A"...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kyf_100 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
    I mentioned down thread, the occasion that some traders at one oil company screwed over some bankers who thought they could raid the oil market. They got cheap oil, all right. Then found out that the only available storage was owned by the company the traders they had dealt with, worked for.....
    How much does an oil tanker cost? In for a penny, in for a pound.
    An actual oil tanker (as in the ship) is very expensive to run. You can buy a dodgy one quite cheap.

    The bank guys got screwed by telling them the price on the storage was going up massively, while the oil was on the ship. If they had said no - either they would have had to give up the cargo, or pay for storage on the ship. Either way they would have got wiped out....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,602

    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    Looks like some shenanigans going on down there. One of our A400s just took off from Istanbul and is flying apparently the same route east as the C17. Hrrrm.
    Air-to-air transfer? ;)
    A400M is indeed refuelling, no?
    They passed close to each other, but at different altitudes.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Is it ours? Says "country of registration N/A"...

    Oh, good spot. Maybe just coincidence of timing - one of ours had landed in Istanbul not so long ago.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Another PR disaster for the government.

    https://twitter.com/JimBoardman/status/1252319591952519168

    Is the link to DHSC itself confirmed? If so, on what basis?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Another PR disaster for the government.

    https://twitter.com/JimBoardman/status/1252319591952519168

    NHS Susan's bio sounds a bit fishy. Surely meant as a parody?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    kyf_100 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
    I mentioned down thread, the occasion that some traders at one oil company screwed over some bankers who thought they could raid the oil market. They got cheap oil, all right. Then found out that the only available storage was owned by the company the traders they had dealt with, worked for.....
    How much does an oil tanker cost? In for a penny, in for a pound.
    Ed Thorpe, who invented and popularised card-counting to win at Blackjack, once part-owned an oil tanker bought when storage was cheap but hedged by its scrap value, or something like that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Another PR disaster for the government.

    https://twitter.com/JimBoardman/status/1252319591952519168

    I'm totally lost. The example account that appears to be quoted reads like Private Eye spoof to me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    RobD said:

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Why is a military aircraft visible on this website?
    All military aircraft travel with transponders switched on in peace time.

    Apart from the Russians, who turn them off because they think it is macho. It isn't.

    Turning off un-necessarily marks you out as the kind of knob who thinks that driving fast at night with the lights off as "cool"....
    The cops used to do that on the M54 near Telford, to catch speeding motorists.

    And yet you want to throw out a gobby copper having his chain yanked by snotty kids?
    Being macho in the air kills people. The Russian behaviour is considered bad airmanship. Bit like their old one of driving a destroyer in front of an aircraft carrier conducting flight ops - they thought it was edgy, everyone else thinks "they aren't good sailors, then".

    As to the copper. If he can get his chain yanked by a kid to the point of proclaiming on camera he will fit them up... What use is he? He can't give evidence in court - a lawyer will get the video introduced as evidence that he is untrustworthy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    I had never heard of Cushing, until a comment down thread.

    "Cushing, Oklahoma, 70 miles northeast of Oklahoma City, is a sleepy town with a population just under 8,000. It’s also the intense focus of every major player in the American oil market right now.

    North American crude oil is pouring into Cushing, where dozens of steel storage tanks fan out from the outskirts of town, tank farms that march on for miles and connect to every major oil patch in North America through an maze of pipelines. Cushing’s nickname is “The Pipeline Crossroads of the World.”

    It’s one of the largest crude oil storage hubs on Earth, and in the U.S. arguably the most important. Delivery for West Texas Intermediate crude is taken here, priced for Nymex contracts and stored before it’s shipped to refineries."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/05/cushing-oklahoma-small-town-is-holding-illions-in-black-gold.html

    Truly PB is educational!!!

    There’s a massive one under the Netherlands, as well.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    They are scrotey chavs. So probably very.

    But that's besides the point. Provocations like that are bread and butter if you're a police officer.

    You are trained (or should be) how to handle it and it should never be like that.

    That guy totally lost his cool and some of the arrogant stuff he said was deeply disturbing.
    Sure. I just wouldn’t end his career and his family’s livelihood on the basis of one video

    The clamor of social media crucifixions needs to be confronted. And now is the time. I would likewise spare the NHS activists caught lying for Labour
    These people could destroy lives given a chance.

    Live by the sword - die by it

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932

    Andrew said:

    Looks like that's our PPE plane about to land in Turkey: https://www.flightradar24.com/C17/246214e0

    Apparently, HMG only paid for the PPE yesterday, hence the delay.
    "Show me the money."

    "Show me the goods."

    "Show me the money."

    The world of PPE as small-time drug hoodlums....
    Did you ever see the Lenny Henry series "Chef"?

    There was a marvellous episode where he buys some cheddar made from un-processed (and hence illegal) milk. Done exactly as drug deal...
    I've got the Chef box set somewhere. Ainsley Harriott was the stunt chef for close-ups of Lenny Henry chopping vegetables.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Foxy said:


    NHS Susan's bio sounds a bit fishy. Surely meant as a parody?

    Thought exactly the same thing, it reads like someone overly inspired by Titania McGrath
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    On spending for as long as I'm getting a full salary my plan is to spend as normally as possible - I'm conscious others depend on it.

    I'm also fortunate enough to be in a good position for the time being, but there's bugger all beyond groceries actually to spend the money on. There is no point in planning a holiday of any significance until this is all over, I don't drive (not that one could go to a showroom at the moment and buy a car anyway,) needless to say there's nowhere to go for a nice day or even a meal out, our little flat is already stuffed to the gunwales with clothes, books, furniture and ornaments and we really don't need any new electronic gizmos and gadgets either. I've just paid off my latest credit card bill and about 90% of it was spent in Tesco and M&S Food.

    I think I'd probably like to spend some more money propping up the local retailers, but again all of the small local businesses are shut apart from the corner shop (a bit like a supermarket only with small ranges of yucky processed food at inflated prices, and incredibly slow till queues,) the bakery in town (opens after I start work and already closed again by the time I finish,) and the wine shop, which has closed to customers on foot but is advertising a home delivery service. Now that I've been reminded of the existence of said service I might avail myself of it, actually, but even so one can really only spend so much on booze in the middle of a lockdown without risking cirrhosis, which I'm reasonably sure would count as a dangerous comorbidity were one ultimately to contract the Plague.

    In short, I get paid at the end of this week and half my salary will get swept straight into savings. I suppose at least that'll help to cushion the blow a little if a bout of inflation really is on its way.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    kyf_100 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but this short thread is a very good explanation of what is happening in the oil market.

    https://twitter.com/gilbeaq/status/1252293724215762950

    What you have to understand is that the oil market is very different from any other.

    The replies under that thread, from people who clearly know nothing about oil, are terribly amusing.

    No, it doesn’t arrive in single barrels worth more than the contents. Yes, storage needs planning permission and needs to be in regulated vessels. No, the price doesn’t include delivery, you have to pick it up yourself. No, you can’t ‘buy’ it at a negative price then just pour it away.
    I mentioned down thread, the occasion that some traders at one oil company screwed over some bankers who thought they could raid the oil market. They got cheap oil, all right. Then found out that the only available storage was owned by the company the traders they had dealt with, worked for.....
    How much does an oil tanker cost? In for a penny, in for a pound.
    Ed Thorpe, who invented and popularised card-counting to win at Blackjack, once part-owned an oil tanker bought when storage was cheap but hedged by its scrap value, or something like that.
    You can buy rust buckets for pennies. Providing you are OK with killing some of the crew now and then.

    And you have the financial structure that Rob Lowe's character in the West Wing setup - ship is owned by a company which has no assets apart from the ship. The company is then controlled via a stack of shell companies via offshore.

    So when the ship sinks and fucks up half the coastline of a country, the 1st company declares bankruptcy and you walk away untouched.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Cummings returns and Downing Street starts leaking poison again. He, not Hancock, should be first out the door. But if Hancock does get the boot he may well have a few tales to tell.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Has Hancock resigned yet?

    Mind you how can the PM accept the loss of the bloke who promised we will soon be doing 100,000 tests a day when he himself promised a rapid move to 250,000 a day in his brief on 18.3.20
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    eadric said:

    This is by far the bigger news. If this is true then.... most western nations have made an historic error based on weird Chinese behaviour and a health system break down in Lombardy

    https://twitter.com/frasernelson/status/1252351376182534145?s=21

    I don't understand this false dichotomy between systems. Sweden is 75% less travel, the UK 85% and Italy and Spain deployed the Caribineiri. It's all a scale.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    eadric said:

    This is by far the bigger news. If this is true then.... most western nations have made an historic error based on weird Chinese behaviour and a health system break down in Lombardy

    https://twitter.com/frasernelson/status/1252351376182534145?s=21

    How is the Swedish curve looking ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608
    Is there any reason to believe that the Cushing situation won't also play out like this in late May? Late June? Because it is hard to see how the tanks in Cushing are going to be drained in coming weeks.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    eadric said:

    This is by far the bigger news. If this is true then.... most western nations have made an historic error based on weird Chinese behaviour and a health system break down in Lombardy

    https://twitter.com/frasernelson/status/1252351376182534145?s=21

    Reading this board is like watching someone’s bipolar play out. So is this the end of the world or a massive overreaction? Depends on the time of day.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    They are scrotey chavs. So probably very.

    But that's besides the point. Provocations like that are bread and butter if you're a police officer.

    You are trained (or should be) how to handle it and it should never be like that.

    That guy totally lost his cool and some of the arrogant stuff he said was deeply disturbing.
    Sure. I just wouldn’t end his career and his family’s livelihood on the basis of one video

    The clamor of social media crucifixions needs to be confronted. And now is the time. I would likewise spare the NHS activists caught lying for Labour
    How many falsifying evidences does it take before we can cancel him?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Floater said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is the first step in him and his colleague being sacked and then being charged.

    'Make something up' threat Lancashire Police officer suspended

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52358114

    He should be kicked off the force for being terminally fucking stupid.

    What sort of imbecile promises to lie, claiming that he will be believed, while being filmed?

    Before we crucify the officer, I’d like to see the full context of the video. Just how provocative were those kids being?

    I am well aware the police can be arseholes. I’ve seen it myself. But right now I’d err on the side of caution before condemning.

    I just wish they’d stop these absurd virtue signaling videos of dancing and clapping.
    They are scrotey chavs. So probably very.

    But that's besides the point. Provocations like that are bread and butter if you're a police officer.

    You are trained (or should be) how to handle it and it should never be like that.

    That guy totally lost his cool and some of the arrogant stuff he said was deeply disturbing.
    Sure. I just wouldn’t end his career and his family’s livelihood on the basis of one video

    The clamor of social media crucifixions needs to be confronted. And now is the time. I would likewise spare the NHS activists caught lying for Labour
    These people could destroy lives given a chance.

    Live by the sword - die by it

    I am nasty. So I would give them a choice - go on national television, in front of the hack, admit what they have done and apologise. *Or* loose the job.

    Walk of shame etc.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708

    eadric said:

    This is by far the bigger news. If this is true then.... most western nations have made an historic error based on weird Chinese behaviour and a health system break down in Lombardy

    https://twitter.com/frasernelson/status/1252351376182534145?s=21

    I don't understand this false dichotomy between systems. Sweden is 75% less travel, the UK 85% and Italy and Spain deployed the Caribineiri. It's all a scale.
    Yes, it's also not necessarily the case that the Swedish approach is better for the economy.
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