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As polls close for the Labour leadership election, I want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has taken part in this campaign.I honestly believe that we have come out of the other end of this contest as a better party: more united and ready to build another future. pic.twitter.com/Ff1SS6D3By

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,676
    edited April 2020
    Hopefully it won’t be tears for Keir’s supporters.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Perhaps 99% of punters have forgotten how the bookies make money
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Can’t wait to cancel my DD when Keir doesn’t win.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    It would be hilarious if Starmer fails.

    Total valid votes cast: 600,000

    Starmer 400,000 votes
    Rebecca Long Bailey 410,000 votes
    Nandy 70,000 votes
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Airbus in Spain using their 3D printers to make medical visor frames for nearby Spanish hospitals and medical facilities
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    (FPT)
    RobD said:

    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    kamski said:

    RobD said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    RobD said:

    Those carrying out the testing at IKEA Wembley dont have the right PPE.

    FFS can those organising this go off and run a brewery instead

    I could imagine this been done giving the enormous pressure to increase testing numbers.
    What happens when the test numbers rise and the deaths keep on increasing ?
    They should really be ramping up for the antibody test, that's the one you want to do in huge numbers. I am not sure what the benefit is of testing hundreds of thousands of people to know if they actually have it. I don't think contact tracing is a thing anymore? But they've committed themselves to it, and the pressure is there for them to do it, regardless of whether or not it is the best thing to do.
    Until there are enough people confirmed to have antibodies that they can run care homes and hospitals then it would be great to be able to test care workers and frontline health workers, to know if they actually have it.
    Yeah, and once you've tested someone and they have the antibodies, they don't need to be tested for the virus ever again.
    Even if there were no false negatives, there's virtually no evidence about how long immunity to this virus lasts.
    Is there evidence for other, similar, coronaviruses?
    They did a followup on SARS survivors (the most similar coronavirus) which showed the majority still had antibody circulating in the blood, though much reduced amounts, thirteen years later.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited April 2020
    Floater said:

    Airbus in Spain using their 3D printers to make medical visor frames for nearby Spanish hospitals and medical facilities

    I saw Lamborghini were making them too.

    I hope they have the logo on....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    Hopefully it won’t be tears for Keir’s supporters.

    No, it will be Keir and loathing on the campaign trail.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DavidL said:

    I hope that Boris invites him to COBRA briefings. It is the right thing to do now that we have a Labour leader who is not terminally stupid.

    Are COBR still meeting?

    Certainly should be invited.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Hopefully it won’t be tears for Keir’s supporters.

    If it is, then surely Labour will spilt.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited April 2020
    Looks like Starmer will win on the first ballot then if Yougov is correct.

    If so will be the first time the centrist candidate has won a contested Labour leadership election since Blair in 1994, a Starmer win will also shift Labour to a more explicitly pro single market position post Brexit, especially if Nandy is only polling 16% with the Labour selectorate as the most willing to compromise with Leavers candidate
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    On a GNU. Massive distraction agreeing that formally and replacing loads of ministers. I just wonder if, when Starmer has announced ShadCab whether HMG would invite appropriate appointments to shadow / contribute from within as additional ministers of state, with the possibility that they could step up to acting cabinet level should COVID affect the Con led government's ability to operate.

    I think still a lot of barriers to that happening, but it is something I wouldn't mind happening.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Comedian Eddie Large has died after contracting Covid-19, his son has said.

    The Little And Large star, 78, was best known for his partnership with Syd Little.

    His family said he had coronavirus and his son, Ryan McGinnis, posted on Facebook:

    "It is with great sadness that Mum and I need to announce that my dad passed away in the early hours of this morning.

    "He had been suffering with heart failure and unfortunately, whilst in hospital, contracted the coronavirus, which his heart was sadly not strong enough to fight."

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DavidL said:

    I hope that Boris invites him to COBRA briefings. It is the right thing to do now that we have a Labour leader who is not terminally stupid.

    It would enrage Corbyn, too. win win.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pro_Rata said:

    On a GNU. Massive distraction agreeing that formally and replacing loads of ministers. I just wonder if, when Starmer has announced ShadCab whether HMG would invite appropriate appointments to shadow / contribute from within as additional ministers of state, with the possibility that they could step up to acting cabinet level should COVID affect the Con led government's ability to operate.

    I think still a lot of barriers to that happening, but it is something I wouldn't mind happening.

    No need to have a GNU, that is what COBR is for.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    This is positive: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-90-minute-covid-19-test-with-98-7-accuracy-to-be-rolled-out-across-uk-11967401

    Not quite sure how many tests can be performed in parallel.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    DavidL said:

    I hope that Boris invites him to COBRA briefings. It is the right thing to do now that we have a Labour leader who is not terminally stupid.

    Are COBR still meeting?

    Certainly should be invited.
    My understanding is that they are meeting electronically. I may be wrong about that.
  • Make Bane PM
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729

    It would be hilarious if Starmer fails.

    Total valid votes cast: 600,000

    Starmer 400,000 votes
    Rebecca Long Bailey 410,000 votes
    Nandy 70,000 votes

    Is there an element of rounding going on.. ???
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Hopefully it won’t be tears for Keir’s supporters.

    Everybody want to rule the world.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    Pro_Rata said:

    On a GNU. Massive distraction agreeing that formally and replacing loads of ministers. I just wonder if, when Starmer has announced ShadCab whether HMG would invite appropriate appointments to shadow / contribute from within as additional ministers of state, with the possibility that they could step up to acting cabinet level should COVID affect the Con led government's ability to operate.

    I think still a lot of barriers to that happening, but it is something I wouldn't mind happening.

    No need to have a GNU, that is what COBR is for.
    Attending COBR would help inform the situation, but would not help with the amount of information needing to be processed and acted on rapidly by ministers within individual departments.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    It would be hilarious if Starmer fails.

    Total valid votes cast: 600,000

    Starmer 400,000 votes
    Rebecca Long Bailey 410,000 votes
    Nandy 70,000 votes

    Is there an element of rounding going on.. ???
    No. That was the joke.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Floater said:

    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......

    The idea that it is "going" to get dangerous on the day that the official death toll will pass 50K is...troubling.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    Foxy said:

    Hopefully it won’t be tears for Keir’s supporters.

    Everybody want to rule the world.
    :smiley:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,604
    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Make Bane PM

    'Oh, you think loo roll is your ally? But you merely adopted the roll; I was born in it, moulded by it...'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,604
    edited April 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
    Last time it was ERS, not sure about this one though.

    Not in-house, who would have confidence in that?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,604
    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    This is their opportunity to show that Stalin was a bit of an old softy at heart:
    "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.".
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    'How many more royals and celebrities were infected at Cheltenham? Organisers are under fire after Andrew Parker Bowles, comic Lee Mack and footballer Charlie Austin catch virus after mixing with 60,000-strong crowd"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8179369/How-Cheltenham-Festival-hotspot-coronavirus-cases.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    This is their opportunity to show that Stalin was a bit of an old softy at heart:
    "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.".
    Although Stalin always made sure at key votes his supporters were in the majority.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Good luck! You’ll do great.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    This is their opportunity to show that Stalin was a bit of an old softy at heart:
    "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.".
    Although Stalin always made sure at key votes his supporters were in the majority.
    Bit like Boris then?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited April 2020
    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Good luck, Mr. Gate.

    I shall sacrifice a goat to Athena on your behalf.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Very best of luck. Are you good to go or do you have exams to finish yet? If so what are the Universities doing about that?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    Delivery to Starmer voters commences Monday.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Floater said:

    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......

    it was the tens off thousands, possibly hundred of thousands that have died that I thought was fake news....and didn't compute with the Chinese doctors journals findings, and China sending out materials (and doctors) to Europe....


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Good luck.

    Make sure to tidy yourself up in case it turns out to be a video call.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    The Corbyn revolution has really petered out on a whimper.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,604
    Andy_JS said:

    'How many more royals and celebrities were infected at Cheltenham? Organisers are under fire after Andrew Parker Bowles, comic Lee Mack and footballer Charlie Austin catch virus after mixing with 60,000-strong crowd"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8179369/How-Cheltenham-Festival-hotspot-coronavirus-cases.html

    How many people in the boxes and enclosures at Cheltenham had been skiing in Italy the week before, that is the question?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Sandpit said:

    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/

    Dundee University have an interesting study in which they are developing anti-bodies to the virus in a flock of sheep. I presume the leader of the project is from Aberdeen.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    ABZ said:
    So these machines are £23,000 a pop.

    OK celebs - how many can YOU buy?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Good luck!
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    There were a lot of stories of people not receiving their ballots and allegedly this seemed more of an issue for members who joined the Labour Party before Corbyn took charge and for those who joined after the general election which would of course favour RLB .

    If RLB wins then it will be a case of a stitch up and the Labour Party will implode , however even in the polling of just members who had joined during the height of the Corbyn era her lead wasn’t big and the second choices would favour KS as Nandy supporters wouldn’t be putting RLB as their second choice .

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,604
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/

    The irony of a tobacco company finding a cure for a lung problem would be delicious.
    Indeed so, Alanis Morisette level of irony.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    FPT
    My good lady wife has now been out allegedly at Tesco's for more than an hour.

    Do I assume:

    (a) that there is a very long queue to get into the shop;
    (b) that she is indulging in a wild affair in breach of her social distancing obligations?
    (c) that she was involved in a fight to the death for the last piece of dried pasta and, very uncharacteristically, lost?
    (d) all of the above?

    She has returned and is adamant that it was (a). Right...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    The "found 17 days later in cruise ship" proved to be bollocks. The longest I have heard of is 72 hours - stainless steel I think that was on. Any research that shows it can be longer than that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    DavidL said:

    FPT
    My good lady wife has now been out allegedly at Tesco's for more than an hour.

    Do I assume:

    (a) that there is a very long queue to get into the shop;
    (b) that she is indulging in a wild affair in breach of her social distancing obligations?
    (c) that she was involved in a fight to the death for the last piece of dried pasta and, very uncharacteristically, lost?
    (d) all of the above?

    She has returned and is adamant that it was (a). Right...

    Be original David.

    There was a long queue to get into the shop, so to jump it she indulged in a wild affair with the manager to get moved to the front. Once there, there was a wild fight to the death over the last packet of pasta which she won, but she then had to wash the blood off the pasta she’d clubbed the other person to death with so it would scan.

    Does that work?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/

    The irony of a tobacco company finding a cure for a lung problem would be delicious.
    Gotta keep the punters alive so they can continue smoking.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT
    My good lady wife has now been out allegedly at Tesco's for more than an hour.

    Do I assume:

    (a) that there is a very long queue to get into the shop;
    (b) that she is indulging in a wild affair in breach of her social distancing obligations?
    (c) that she was involved in a fight to the death for the last piece of dried pasta and, very uncharacteristically, lost?
    (d) all of the above?

    She has returned and is adamant that it was (a). Right...

    Be original David.

    There was a long queue to get into the shop, so to jump it she indulged in a wild affair with the manager to get moved to the front. Once there, there was a wild fight to the death over the last packet of pasta which she won, but she then had to wash the blood off the pasta she’d clubbed the other person to death with so it would scan.

    Does that work?
    Sounds a lot more credible, that's for sure.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    DavidL said:

    FPT
    My good lady wife has now been out allegedly at Tesco's for more than an hour.

    Do I assume:

    (a) that there is a very long queue to get into the shop;
    (b) that she is indulging in a wild affair in breach of her social distancing obligations?
    (c) that she was involved in a fight to the death for the last piece of dried pasta and, very uncharacteristically, lost?
    (d) all of the above?

    She has returned and is adamant that it was (a). Right...

    When the Summons arrives, you'll get a better understanding of what went down.

    Was she buying Easter eggs I wonder?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

    I wasn't being grumpy....I was being mischievous....

    our daily walk is like playing life size pac man....avoiding joggers, remembering not to scratch your nose, you need eyes in the back of your head...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    This is their opportunity to show that Stalin was a bit of an old softy at heart:
    "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.".
    Although Stalin always made sure at key votes his supporters were in the majority.
    Afterwards if not in advance.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

    I wasn't being grumpy....I was being mischievous....

    our daily walk is like playing life size pac man....avoiding joggers, remembering not to scratch your nose, you need eyes in the back of your head...
    Fair enough then

    I find that as soon as I think about the fact I must not touch face the most excruciating itch starts :smiley:

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited April 2020
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do we know if everyone’s received ballot papers yet?

    This is their opportunity to show that Stalin was a bit of an old softy at heart:
    "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.".
    Although Stalin always made sure at key votes his supporters were in the majority.
    Afterwards if not in advance.
    Usually it was in advance. That is why he was able to outmanoeuvre Trotsky - he was in charge of inviting people to the party Congress, so Trotsky’s supporters were never there. Indeed, he failed to invite Trotsky to the fairly important occasion of Lenin’s funeral...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    'How many more royals and celebrities were infected at Cheltenham? Organisers are under fire after Andrew Parker Bowles, comic Lee Mack and footballer Charlie Austin catch virus after mixing with 60,000-strong crowd"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8179369/How-Cheltenham-Festival-hotspot-coronavirus-cases.html

    How many people in the boxes and enclosures at Cheltenham had been skiing in Italy the week before, that is the question?
    Surely the question should be "Why was such an event allowed to take place given what we knew at the time?"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Since 2007, when Himself was anointed unopposed, Labour have positively delighted in electing somewhat unexpected and with hindsight, sometimes rather rubbish leaders.

    It would be a brave punter to bet on who will win the next leadership election.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    I think we can now kiss recession goodbye and say hello to depression.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited April 2020
    I live in a sleepy part of the world, but there are definitely more people and more traffic out and about than yesterday. Has the knock to the government’s credibility made people sceptical about conforming with the lockdown? Are people starting to tire of it? Has the cloudier weather made more people decide to do their essential shopping today?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited April 2020
    Thank you all. :)
    DavidL said:

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Very best of luck. Are you good to go or do you have exams to finish yet? If so what are the Universities doing about that?
    I still have exams to do in May, and they’re now “e-exams” which are basically just the same exams, but now open-book, and need to be done within 24 hours.

    Yeah, I don’t get it either.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

    I wasn't being grumpy....I was being mischievous....

    our daily walk is like playing life size pac man....avoiding joggers, remembering not to scratch your nose, you need eyes in the back of your head...
    A friend of mine with a somewhat mischievous sense of humour suggesting creeping up behind, well let's say novice joggers who are now infecting the posher part of Edinburgh and coughing. He claimed that the absolute reduction on the demands on the NHS could be considerable.
  • tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    DavidL said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

    I wasn't being grumpy....I was being mischievous....

    our daily walk is like playing life size pac man....avoiding joggers, remembering not to scratch your nose, you need eyes in the back of your head...
    A friend of mine with a somewhat mischievous sense of humour suggesting creeping up behind, well let's say novice joggers who are now infecting the posher part of Edinburgh and coughing. He claimed that the absolute reduction on the demands on the NHS could be considerable.
    Doesn’t that count as assault?
  • tyson said:

    Floater said:

    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......

    it was the tens off thousands, possibly hundred of thousands that have died that I thought was fake news....and didn't compute with the Chinese doctors journals findings, and China sending out materials (and doctors) to Europe....


    I think it's reasonable to agree with Montgomery that the RECENT reporting from China is laughable.

    But the point of contention was whether the INITIAL reporting in Jan/Feb was deceptive to the point of explaining/excusing the tentative pandemic response in other countries. And back then their reporting was solid enough, everyone else was sufficiently warned.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Thank you all. :)

    DavidL said:

    Jeez, I have a telephone interview with the managing partner of a local law firm this afternoon, after a cold-approach by email this morning. Wish me luck!

    Very best of luck. Are you good to go or do you have exams to finish yet? If so what are the Universities doing about that?
    I still have exams to do in May, and they’re now “e-exams” which are basically just the same exams, but now open-book, and need to be done within 24 hours.

    Yeah, I don’t get it either.
    We'll have fun writing those with you....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    DavidL said:

    I hope that Boris invites him to COBRA briefings. It is the right thing to do now that we have a Labour leader who is not terminally stupid.

    I totally disagree. If it was wrong then, it's wrong now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    Surely not even Corbynites would be dense enough to expect that?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567
    IanB2 said:

    I live in a sleepy part of the world, but there are definitely more people and more traffic out and about than yesterday. Has the knock to the government’s credibility made people sceptical about conforming with the lockdown? Are people starting to tire of it? Has the cloudier weather made more people decide to do their essential shopping today?

    I agree. I live in rural Lincolnshire but close to an A road and I have seen a substantial increase in road traffic through this week. All last week and at the start of this week it was almost all lorries with the occasional car and van. Now I am seeing more cars than lorries which is very worrying. Still no where near normal but certainly well up from the start of the lockdown.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/

    The irony of a tobacco company finding a cure for a lung problem would be delicious.
    Gotta keep the punters alive so they can continue smoking.
    the vaccine includes nicotine. it isn't part of the cure but hey, business is business.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......

    it was the tens off thousands, possibly hundred of thousands that have died that I thought was fake news....and didn't compute with the Chinese doctors journals findings, and China sending out materials (and doctors) to Europe....


    Do you think the Chinese government cares more about its citizens or its image on the international stage?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    'How many more royals and celebrities were infected at Cheltenham? Organisers are under fire after Andrew Parker Bowles, comic Lee Mack and footballer Charlie Austin catch virus after mixing with 60,000-strong crowd"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8179369/How-Cheltenham-Festival-hotspot-coronavirus-cases.html

    How many people in the boxes and enclosures at Cheltenham had been skiing in Italy the week before, that is the question?
    Surely the question should be "Why was such an event allowed to take place given what we knew at the time?"
    Really glad to se you back Bev. There were a few concerned comments the last few days.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    IanB2 said:

    I live in a sleepy part of the world, but there are definitely more people and more traffic out and about than yesterday. Has the knock to the government’s credibility made people sceptical about conforming with the lockdown? Are people starting to tire of it? Has the cloudier weather made more people decide to do their essential shopping today?

    I agree. I live in rural Lincolnshire but close to an A road and I have seen a substantial increase in road traffic through this week. All last week and at the start of this week it was almost all lorries with the occasional car and van. Now I am seeing more cars than lorries which is very worrying. Still no where near normal but certainly well up from the start of the lockdown.
    Perhaps people needing to stock up again as their stores of fresh food run low.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    All the talk from Starmer about "unity" concerns me.

    If Starmer is to be taken seriously step one should be sacking Burgon and Long Bailey etc in his first reshuffle. Johnson sacked Hunt, there is no reason why Starmer shouldn't sack Long Bailey.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
    Last time it was ERS, not sure about this one though.

    Not in-house, who would have confidence in that?
    Civica Election Services (ERS new title as now part of the Civica Group)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    RobD said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    The chairman of the World Medical Association has said that China's figures on the new coronavirus infections aren't credible, Associated Press reports.

    But he added that the numbers aren't credible in many other countries, either.

    Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery said the recent low Chinese numbers were "nonsense" and suggested Beijing was intentionally providing false figures. Other countries are also working with uncertain figures because better data often isn't available, he added.

    Dr Montgomery cited the lack of proper testing as a major reason explaining why many developing countries are reporting low infection rates.

    He called for the World Health Organization to do more to impress on governments in poorer nations the need to take measures to restrict the spread of the pandemic. If the virus takes hold in megacities such as Cairo, "then it's going to get really dangerous," Dr Montgomery warned.

    Paging Tyson......

    it was the tens off thousands, possibly hundred of thousands that have died that I thought was fake news....and didn't compute with the Chinese doctors journals findings, and China sending out materials (and doctors) to Europe....


    Do you think the Chinese government cares more about its citizens or its image on the international stage?
    The latter of course. Frankly, the citizens probably care less about the citizens than the image too. It's a very prestige conscious society from what I can gather.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567
    Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Floater said:

    I have just been told that COVID can last 9 days on supermarket trolleys

    When I say told, this is by people involved in planning responses - not just a random guy on the internet

    Have you heard that little tip about washing your hands....if you take the view that everything you touch outside your house could be Covid infested, and every passer by is potentially a spluttering Covid germ bag...then act accordingly....
    You really are a grumpy muppet at times

    I was sharing the info for others benefit

    The info is appreciated but I do think Tyson is right to the extent that we should all behave as if every surface we touch is contaminated and act accordingly. How many shopping trolley handles are unused for even 1 day let alone 9?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    'How many more royals and celebrities were infected at Cheltenham? Organisers are under fire after Andrew Parker Bowles, comic Lee Mack and footballer Charlie Austin catch virus after mixing with 60,000-strong crowd"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8179369/How-Cheltenham-Festival-hotspot-coronavirus-cases.html

    How many people in the boxes and enclosures at Cheltenham had been skiing in Italy the week before, that is the question?
    It's not like anyone at the time was saying you'd have to be dumb as a brick to

    1) allow it to go ahead

    2) join the throng of visitors attending
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited April 2020
    OllyT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    I know this should be a clear win for Starmer, but there's been lots of stories going round of ballot papers not being delivered. I do wonder if there might be a surprise in the offing?

    Worth a tenner at 50/1 (lay at 1.02)?

    Do we know who runs the actual ballot? Is it in house or do they contract it out?
    Last time it was ERS, not sure about this one though.

    Not in-house, who would have confidence in that?
    Civica Election Services (ERS new title as now part of the Civica Group)
    I’ve had dealings with them before.

    They’re more useless than a Labour disciplinary policy.

    It’s probably just a cock up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    DavidL said:

    FPT
    My good lady wife has now been out allegedly at Tesco's for more than an hour.

    Do I assume:

    (a) that there is a very long queue to get into the shop;
    (b) that she is indulging in a wild affair in breach of her social distancing obligations?
    (c) that she was involved in a fight to the death for the last piece of dried pasta and, very uncharacteristically, lost?
    (d) all of the above?

    She has returned and is adamant that it was (a). Right...

    Women are multi-taskers, one of those tasks being to constantly tell me that this is the case.

    (d) all the way.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    edited April 2020

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    All the talk from Starmer about "unity" concerns me.

    If Starmer is to be taken seriously step one should be sacking Burgon and Long Bailey etc in his first reshuffle. Johnson sacked Hunt, there is no reason why Starmer shouldn't sack Long Bailey.
    Anyone who supported Corbyn should be sent directly to Rura Penthe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited April 2020

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    If Starmer wins 53% to 31% for Long Bailey he has a mandate to throw most Corbynites under a bus and make Cooper Shadow Chancellor
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    If Corbyn wins 53% to 31% for Long Bailey he has a mandate to throw most Corbynites under a bus and make Cooper Shadow Chancellor
    Ummmm...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    I live in a sleepy part of the world, but there are definitely more people and more traffic out and about than yesterday. Has the knock to the government’s credibility made people sceptical about conforming with the lockdown? Are people starting to tire of it? Has the cloudier weather made more people decide to do their essential shopping today?

    I agree. I live in rural Lincolnshire but close to an A road and I have seen a substantial increase in road traffic through this week. All last week and at the start of this week it was almost all lorries with the occasional car and van. Now I am seeing more cars than lorries which is very worrying. Still no where near normal but certainly well up from the start of the lockdown.
    Perhaps people needing to stock up again as their stores of fresh food run low.
    Don't get me wrong I am not judging any individuals on this. It could easily be every single one of them has a really valid reason for being out and about. It is just worrying that there does seem to be a steady day on day increase in traffic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Many LibDems voted for Swinson because they felt the party absolutely had to break its duck of female leaders, and it is interesting that the same consideration hasn’t weighed as heavily on Labour members. Perhaps Swinson’s crashing and burning helped them consider who would actually be best for the job?

    It is weird though that if Starmer wins there will never have been a Labour full leadership election where a woman has finished ahead of a man. Every man in the race has always got more votes than any woman.
    Lisa Nandy will be the next leader after Kier.....
    Thus becoming the second permanent Labour leader after RLB...

    Whatever happens the uproar in Labour will continue. My gentle baiting of mates about RLB has them openly admitting they will quit the instant she is declared to have "won". Alternately Starmer wins, is still reliant on a Labour machine which has been rebuilt in Corbyn's image and has to make Burgon shadow Chancellor.
    If Corbyn wins 53% to 31% for Long Bailey he has a mandate to throw most Corbynites under a bus and make Cooper Shadow Chancellor
    Ummmm...
    Corrected
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,567

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:
    British American Tobacco reckons their scientists have found a promising Covid-19 vaccine candidate, and have the capability to mass-produce millions of doses within weeks if given approval to do so.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/01/cigarette-maker-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-breakthrough/

    The irony of a tobacco company finding a cure for a lung problem would be delicious.
    Gotta keep the punters alive so they can continue smoking.
    the vaccine includes nicotine. it isn't part of the cure but hey, business is business.
    It was interesting reading the article to see they were at the forefront of the vaccine for Ebola. Apparently tobacco plants are really useful for developing vaccines. No idea why.
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