Those sky rocketing poll ratings for Bozo are slowly but surely turning the leftie twitterati mad.
I think the government is handling this well but I think you are reading way too much into polling data just now. These are not normal times and to some extent party politics has been put to one side for the time being
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
Testing those that have been in contact with people who are identified as infectious either through symptoms or previous testing so they can be isolated to stop onward transmission. Testing to allow people who are free of the virus to mingle and go about their business.
Absent a vaccine, high levels of testing is the only way to get back to some kind of normality. That is without a high death toll and a collapsed healthcare system, which isn't normality.
We gave that form of testing up when we moved to phase 2 about 2 weeks ago. The reason is obvious. When there is so many infected people it is simply not possible to Identify the source of a particular infection.
Given the situation now, yes. but we could and should have encouraged voluntary social distancing, earlier and conducted many more tests when there where fewer people affected. i.e. the south Korean approach..
And deferred the peak into next winter? The expert advice was not to do that. Of course if we get a vaccine in 6 months that advice will have been wrong but our policy is consistent with the vast majority of western countries.
Those sky rocketing poll ratings for Bozo are slowly but surely turning the leftie twitterati mad.
I think the government is handling this well but I think you are reading way too much into polling data just now. These are not normal times and to some extent party politics has been put to one side for the time being
Gratifying to learn some things haven't changed as a result of the Coronavirus. Carswell is still a fool!
Does that mean you think the Swedes are being fools?
If the whole of the UK was like Oxford north...everyone is well behaved...no multi generational living with oldies already isolated....lots of green space, a good health system, good primary care,. lots of healthy looking people around....I'm sure we could have kept most things open...pubs, restaurants and shops....and schools...just like Sweden....
But the whole of the UK isn't like Oxford north...which is why I find people constantly bringing up Sweden as not helpful...
Sadly, I think you are correct in this... albeit, I struggle to see a voluntary lockdown working in many places! Also, any news from the frontline in London? I hope your sons are both fighting fit!
From the Guardian "The UK’s death toll from Covid-19 has risen to 1,408. The figures published by the Department of Health and Social Care relate to those that had died in hospitals as of 5pm on Sunday. From tomorrow, the ONS will begin producing weekly statistics which take in deaths in the community."
So the official number of deaths in the UK is only for people who die in hospital! Wow. Does anyone know what other countries are doing?
Pretty much the same I think - certainly France is doing this and I think @kamski earlier said this was also what was going on in Germany.
Kamski claimed that in Germany, people who die and have never been tested are not tested post-mortem, which is another bias to the figures but not the same thing. Although it is possible he said what you are claiming as well, but I wasn't reading at the time.
Well, the people from the RKI always say that they are counting everyone. Whether they died in hospitals, care homes, any other institutions or at home. But I guess anyone is at liberty to believe, and to tell other people, whatever he wants.
I've never commented on whether people dying outside of hospitals are included.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
From the Guardian "The UK’s death toll from Covid-19 has risen to 1,408. The figures published by the Department of Health and Social Care relate to those that had died in hospitals as of 5pm on Sunday. From tomorrow, the ONS will begin producing weekly statistics which take in deaths in the community."
So the official number of deaths in the UK is only for people who die in hospital! Wow. Does anyone know what other countries are doing?
Pretty much the same I think - certainly France is doing this and I think @kamski earlier said this was also what was going on in Germany.
Kamski claimed that in Germany, people who die and have never been tested are not tested post-mortem, which is another bias to the figures but not the same thing. Although it is possible he said what you are claiming as well, but I wasn't reading at the time.
Well, the people from the RKI always say that they are counting everyone. Whether they died in hospitals, care homes, any other institutions or at home. But I guess anyone is at liberty to believe, and to tell other people, whatever he wants.
I've never commented on whether people dying outside of hospitals are included.
Ah - my bad. I didn't recall your previous statement correctly.
Ministers have been accused of overstating the scale of coronavirus testing in the UK as figures for the number of daily tests fell to 8,278 on Saturday – far short of the 10,000 target it was meant to have met last week.
Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, claimed over the weekend that the 10,000 target had been reached.
However, it turned out only 9,114 tests had been been carried out on about 6,900 people on Friday – falling to 8,278 tests on 4,908 patients on Saturday.
The figures are still below the 10,000 daily tests promised by the government on 11 March and cast doubt on whether it would hit the next target of 25,000 daily tests within a fortnight.
It shows the UK is lagging behind other countries such as Germany, which is testing 70,000 people daily, despite the World Health Organization’s advice for countries to “test, test, test”.
Those sky rocketing poll ratings for Bozo are slowly but surely turning the leftie twitterati mad.
I think the government is handling this well but I think you are reading way too much into polling data just now. These are not normal times and to some extent party politics has been put to one side for the time being
Of course but the loons on the left cannot see this. That is my point. They're depserate for any angle to try and get the government on and turn public opinion.
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
If that bedspace is typical, then they have ventilators and oxygen. Impressive.
Very impressive.
Perhaps we might like to slag off the British construction and project management profession a little less for the next few months?
[Sunil utters a cough that sounds suspiciously like "Crossrail"]
Crossrail went from spade in the ground to full dynamic testing in under 8 years.
That's pretty bloody good. I joined in 2014 when it was still boring tunnels and digging holes. No-one else in the world has come close to that on a project that's unprecedented (globally) in its scale and complexity of systems integration.
2018 opening was never realistic nor achievable. No-one could have done it. Grayling didn't want to hear that it wasn't possible either.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Gratifying to learn some things haven't changed as a result of the Coronavirus. Carswell is still a fool!
Does that mean you think the Swedes are being fools?
If the whole of the UK was like Oxford north...everyone is well behaved...no multi generational living with oldies already isolated....lots of green space, a good health system, good primary care,. lots of healthy looking people around....I'm sure we could have kept most things open...pubs, restaurants and shops....and schools...just like Sweden....
But the whole of the UK isn't like Oxford north...which is why I find people constantly bringing up Sweden as not helpful...
You don't like Sweden being brought up because you don't seem to like freedom,
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
I think we all know they are massaging the figures even now to save face and proclaim the parties great victory.
However, I think the most disturbing element is what I have heard from scientists trying to work on this that the Chinese are now not being fully open and transparent on the science front.
It is one thing to fudge your number of dead (without sounding heartless, the dead are dead), but now they are potentially endangering even more by potentially slowing the progress of research into a vaccine.
Gratifying to learn some things haven't changed as a result of the Coronavirus. Carswell is still a fool!
Does that mean you think the Swedes are being fools?
If the whole of the UK was like Oxford north...everyone is well behaved...no multi generational living with oldies already isolated....lots of green space, a good health system, good primary care,. lots of healthy looking people around....I'm sure we could have kept most things open...pubs, restaurants and shops....and schools...just like Sweden....
But the whole of the UK isn't like Oxford north...which is why I find people constantly bringing up Sweden as not helpful...
Sadly, I think you are correct in this... albeit, I struggle to see a voluntary lockdown working in many places! Also, any news from the frontline in London? I hope your sons are both fighting fit!
My sisters boys- One is self isolating with Covid 19 symptoms....very high fever/ cough...but improving...I'm glad he has it to be honest so he can get some immunity.....
The other is back today (after the weekend)...he was really chipper because he has seen some patients responding really well to oxygen...and he can order deliveroos at half price....
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
That depends upon how reliable the test is. What we really, really need is a very high volume antigen test. Boris correctly identified that as a game changer. Nothing is more urgent. Then those who have had it can go back to work.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
The test is only 70% sensitive. So 1 time in three it gives an all clear incorrectly.
To a very large extent people where voluntary separating themselves before the lock down, (and would have been better if they where encouraged to do so earlier) its possible that the drop the number dying in the last couple of days was an indication behaveyar changed 2 weeks ago.
This lock-down is seems to me government succoring to presser to be seen to be doing something. and at huge cost to our freedoms and economy.
The flavor I detected from the Facebook posts of my left wing friends was that the economy must be sacrificed, in the same way that turtle doves where in old testament times or humans where in South Amaria
Sweden, the Netherlands or better still South Korea look much better to me.
We're really lucky that the Swedes are experimenting for us.
And I really, really hope they are correct.
Yet the Swedes are not us. When Johnson was trying to put into action even a light version of it, the actions of the British public made if impossible to follow. A less wilful populace then maybe it would work.
The Swedes have their bars and restaurants open - no cratering the economy for them.
From what I can gather the Swedes have voluntarily acted with restraint and common sense in the main. Boozed up Brits on the other hand were causing mayhem in Spain chanting "We've all got the virus" and refusing to disperse.
I wish Sweden all the luck in the world but there is absolutely no guarantee that the same approach would have worked in the UK sadly.
The Swedes are all good and the Brits all bad. The casual racism on the left just gets worse as their frustration grows.
The idea that Swedes don't get lashed is hilarious.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
The test is only 70% sensitive. So 1 time in three it gives an all clear incorrectly.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
no- it means he didn't have it in his system when they tested him....
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
The test is only 70% sensitive. So 1 time in three it gives an all clear incorrectly.
Ah, I hadn't appreciated that. I thought the test they did was quite accurate, and hence why it was proving difficult to scale up. Glad you are feeling better, whatever it was!
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
"We're massively increasing the testing to see whether you have it now and ramping up daily testing from 5,000 a day, to 10,000 to 25,000 and then up at 250,000," he said.
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
What exactly do you think that would achieve? Front line staff need tested. Those with symptoms bad enough to be hospitalised should be tested. Beyond that what is the testing achieving?
It's a fair question, but are all front-line staff being tested? How long did it take @Foxy to get a test?
Secondly, if we don't test we have no idea how prevalent the spread of the virus is in the UK.
Finally, there's the issue of trust. If HMG keep saying we are achiveing 10k test per day and that will soon rise to 25k tests per day but in fact we only manage 5-7k they will lose the public's trust.
I got tested quickly, but against current policy. I owe someone a favour.
Same mate as Prince Philip?
I didn't know that he had been tested.
I saw your test came out a negative....that is not helpful at all to you who really wanted to know if you had it.....
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Surely that means it wasn't coronavirus?
The test is only 70% sensitive. So 1 time in three it gives an all clear incorrectly.
or 30% in Spain-
But it's not an antibody test....
The game changer in this either has to be a vaccine/ or a proven anti viral treatment that gives us reassurance that we are not going to be pumped with oxygen on an ICU for 3 weeks before we die...
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
TV5 estimating 100,000 + deaths just in Wuhan.
Well the government press "briefing" to the media was could have been as much as 40x their official numbers, so sounds in the same ballpark.
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
To a very large extent people where voluntary separating themselves before the lock down, (and would have been better if they where encouraged to do so earlier) its possible that the drop the number dying in the last couple of days was an indication behaveyar changed 2 weeks ago.
This lock-down is seems to me government succoring to presser to be seen to be doing something. and at huge cost to our freedoms and economy.
The flavor I detected from the Facebook posts of my left wing friends was that the economy must be sacrificed, in the same way that turtle doves where in old testament times or humans where in South Amaria
Sweden, the Netherlands or better still South Korea look much better to me.
We're really lucky that the Swedes are experimenting for us.
And I really, really hope they are correct.
Yet the Swedes are not us. When Johnson was trying to put into action even a light version of it, the actions of the British public made if impossible to follow. A less wilful populace then maybe it would work.
The Swedes have their bars and restaurants open - no cratering the economy for them.
From what I can gather the Swedes have voluntarily acted with restraint and common sense in the main. Boozed up Brits on the other hand were causing mayhem in Spain chanting "We've all got the virus" and refusing to disperse.
I wish Sweden all the luck in the world but there is absolutely no guarantee that the same approach would have worked in the UK sadly.
The Swedes are all good and the Brits all bad. The casual racism on the left just gets worse as their frustration grows.
It's not racist to recognise that we have a problem with segments of our society that others don't have to the same extent. Does any other European nation have as bad a reputation that Brits do all over the holiday spots of Europe? I can't recall any other country voluntarily withdrawing from European football as we did in the 80's because of the behaviour off our supporters. Take those rose-tinted specs off.
As I said those poll ratings are sending them over the edge. It must be awful to so completely and utterly irrelevant.
Not just the polls. Their messiah is about to bow out and head back to his allotment, having achieved nothing, other than leave an electoral mountain for his party to climb.
As I said those poll ratings are sending them over the edge. It must be awful to so completely and utterly irrelevant.
Not just the polls. Their messiah is about to bow out and head back to his allotment, having achieved nothing, other than leave an electoral mountain for his party to climb.
Actually, my last ever Tube journey was on the day before we flew to Aberdeen. On the afternoon 28th Feb, I took the Central line Gants Hill to Hainault to Woodford to Epping and back again! I think because I had an inkling there would be problems by the time we flew back. A last hurrah!
Last ever? Ever? Are you leaving?
Hopefully not! But I have no idea when it will be safe to ride the Tube again!
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
TV5 estimating 100,000 + deaths just in Wuhan.
Feck me. Are tv5 reliable?
If it was that widespread how did it disappear so quickly ?
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
TV5 estimating 100,000 + deaths just in Wuhan.
Feck me. Are tv5 reliable?
If it was that widespread how did it disappear so quickly ?
To a very large extent people where voluntary separating themselves before the lock down, (and would have been better if they where encouraged to do so earlier) its possible that the drop the number dying in the last couple of days was an indication behaveyar changed 2 weeks ago.
This lock-down is seems to me government succoring to presser to be seen to be doing something. and at huge cost to our freedoms and economy.
The flavor I detected from the Facebook posts of my left wing friends was that the economy must be sacrificed, in the same way that turtle doves where in old testament times or humans where in South Amaria
Sweden, the Netherlands or better still South Korea look much better to me.
We're really lucky that the Swedes are experimenting for us.
And I really, really hope they are correct.
Yet the Swedes are not us. When Johnson was trying to put into action even a light version of it, the actions of the British public made if impossible to follow. A less wilful populace then maybe it would work.
The Swedes have their bars and restaurants open - no cratering the economy for them.
From what I can gather the Swedes have voluntarily acted with restraint and common sense in the main. Boozed up Brits on the other hand were causing mayhem in Spain chanting "We've all got the virus" and refusing to disperse.
I wish Sweden all the luck in the world but there is absolutely no guarantee that the same approach would have worked in the UK sadly.
The Swedes are all good and the Brits all bad. The casual racism on the left just gets worse as their frustration grows.
The idea that Swedes don't get lashed is hilarious.
the Finnish are off the scale pissheads...I was in a pub up north in a ski resort where they drank themselves comatosed in the bar...and slept there on the floor...I've never seen anything like it...
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
I think we all know they are massaging the figures even now to save face and proclaim the parties great victory.
However, I think the most disturbing element is what I have heard from scientists trying to work on this that the Chinese are now not being fully open and transparent on the science front.
It is one thing to fudge your number of dead (without sounding heartless, the dead are dead), but now they are potentially endangering even more by potentially slowing the progress of research into a vaccine.
While I appreciate there are some wanting to make out that the Chinese were hiding the seriousness of the condition, that is really not tenable. This is the report of the first 99 cases, published in the Lancet on 30th Jan. It describes being critically ill in 17% and fatal in 11%. The description of the clinical picture is fundamentally unchanged.
As I said those poll ratings are sending them over the edge. It must be awful to so completely and utterly irrelevant.
Not just the polls. Their messiah is about to bow out and head back to his allotment, having achieved nothing, other than leave an electoral mountain for his party to climb.
His stock has fallen so low, they've had to cancel Glasto in case the singalong got embarrassing.....
French TV 5 currently blowing the Chinese numbers out of the water,pure fabrication.
Surely not...we all believe there were only 3,000 deaths don't we....
They lied and concealed it at the start and they are doing the same right now. Desparately trying to save face. Anyone basing their virus strategy and projections on the information coming out of China is going to fail dismally.
TV5 estimating 100,000 + deaths just in Wuhan.
The bigger lie will prove to be "We have this under contol, back to work now...."
Ministers have been accused of overstating the scale of coronavirus testing in the UK as figures for the number of daily tests fell to 8,278 on Saturday – far short of the 10,000 target it was meant to have met last week.
Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, claimed over the weekend that the 10,000 target had been reached.
However, it turned out only 9,114 tests had been been carried out on about 6,900 people on Friday – falling to 8,278 tests on 4,908 patients on Saturday.
The figures are still below the 10,000 daily tests promised by the government on 11 March and cast doubt on whether it would hit the next target of 25,000 daily tests within a fortnight.
It shows the UK is lagging behind other countries such as Germany, which is testing 70,000 people daily, despite the World Health Organization’s advice for countries to “test, test, test”.
It’s no wonder people turn off from politics given the pathetic right v left battle that is going on here. I don’t care who comes out of this ahead in meaningless polls I would rather there was a rational discussion as to best ways forward, short and long term, without continual reference to party political gain. Nobody has all the best ideas, you should be seeking what the best solution for the country rather than who comes out winner.
yes, I agree. Depressing thread - too many people keen to find a scapegoat. Most of us will survive and there will be time enough then to debate who was right.
On the whole I'm OK with the UK strategy as currently set out, except for the non-political point that I'd like to see much more testing - I don't understand why Germany (conservative government) manages to do a multiple of ours (conservative government) while we're still struggling to test the NHS staff.
Note that it labels an adviser as far left because he favoured copying the NHS. It's a good example of how left/right labels only make sense by reference to where the local centre of gravity is.
Regarding Boris’ great leader ratings... he has provided, by design or accident, exactly what a large percentage of the country want - social democracy inside closed borders. The reason neither side can usually win big majorities is they promise one or the other.
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I think the government is handling this well but I think you are reading way too much into polling data just now. These are not normal times and to some extent party politics has been put to one side for the time being
(except the ginger ones, natch...)
Now...you have to go back to work after a virus...wondering (I guess) whether you have had Covid 19 or not.....and exposed to people...
Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, claimed over the weekend that the 10,000 target had been reached.
However, it turned out only 9,114 tests had been been carried out on about 6,900 people on Friday – falling to 8,278 tests on 4,908 patients on Saturday.
The figures are still below the 10,000 daily tests promised by the government on 11 March and cast doubt on whether it would hit the next target of 25,000 daily tests within a fortnight.
It shows the UK is lagging behind other countries such as Germany, which is testing 70,000 people daily, despite the World Health Organization’s advice for countries to “test, test, test”.
That's pretty bloody good. I joined in 2014 when it was still boring tunnels and digging holes. No-one else in the world has come close to that on a project that's unprecedented (globally) in its scale and complexity of systems integration.
2018 opening was never realistic nor achievable. No-one could have done it. Grayling didn't want to hear that it wasn't possible either.
However, I think the most disturbing element is what I have heard from scientists trying to work on this that the Chinese are now not being fully open and transparent on the science front.
It is one thing to fudge your number of dead (without sounding heartless, the dead are dead), but now they are potentially endangering even more by potentially slowing the progress of research into a vaccine.
The other is back today (after the weekend)...he was really chipper because he has seen some patients responding really well to oxygen...and he can order deliveroos at half price....
TV5 estimating 100,000 + deaths just in Wuhan.
18.3.20 Boris Johnson
or 30% in Spain-
But it's not an antibody test....
The game changer in this either has to be a vaccine/ or a proven anti viral treatment that gives us reassurance that we are not going to be pumped with oxygen on an ICU for 3 weeks before we die...
Where at TV5 getting this info?
Does that mean when we test 70,000 a day like Germany aren't we going to find 20k+ new cases??
Why do we have the lowest "recovered" rate (135) of any major nation
made way for an old favourite
Today's highlight was sending a photo of my working at home setup to my colleagues and getting them to do the same.
Four male mallards in the garden this evening. However one must have been from a different fraternity, as the others told him to bugger off.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext
They were a bit like potatoes.
On the whole I'm OK with the UK strategy as currently set out, except for the non-political point that I'd like to see much more testing - I don't understand why Germany (conservative government) manages to do a multiple of ours (conservative government) while we're still struggling to test the NHS staff.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/new-aoc-divides-the-left-150767?
Note that it labels an adviser as far left because he favoured copying the NHS. It's a good example of how left/right labels only make sense by reference to where the local centre of gravity is.