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edited March 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Even LAB voters are giving Johnson positive leader ratings

There haven’t been many opinion polls of late but this afternoon we’ve got the detail of the latest Deltapoll which includes its regular well/badly leader ratings. The detail is shown in the panel above together with what those sampled did at GE2019 and the referendum.

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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    First
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Still not enough test...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1244651132879806471?s=20
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    edited March 2020
    First like China.

    Edit. Or not ;)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    Most impressive ratings for Cuomo:
    https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/cuomos-coronavirus-fight-87-of-new-yorkers-approve-poll-shows.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    kyf_100 said:

    First like China.

    Edit. Or not ;)

    Always said their figures should be treated with caution.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    Trump unhappy at the idea there should be any significant extra funding to make the November election accessible to voters:

    https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1244606910462136321
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    On topic: It probably helps that Corbyn has been running round telling people he wanted to spend this much money anyway, not on an international crisis, but on free broadband for middle-class people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    This is an interesting development - AOC tacks towards the centre of the party (or at least seems to be attempting to build bridges):
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/new-aoc-divides-the-left-150767
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Nigelb said:

    Trump unhappy at the idea there should be any significant extra funding to make the November election accessible to voters:

    https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1244606910462136321

    It's his voters that suffer by not being able to vote. 🤷‍♂️
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    There is high level on don’t knows on this question.

    And a very low level of Dominic Raabs...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump unhappy at the idea there should be any significant extra funding to make the November election accessible to voters:

    https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1244606910462136321

    It's his voters that suffer by not being able to vote. 🤷‍♂️
    Who knows ?
    It will have asymmetric effects across the nation if a lot of money isn't spent mitigating the difficulties this virus in likely to bring.
    An awful lot of polling stations are staffed by volunteers, for example, who tend to skew elderly...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1244658177733427201
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Italy

    Active cases: 101,739 (+1,648 net)
    Death: +812 (total 11,591)
    Healed: +1,590 (toal 14,620)

    New cases: +4.050

    Tests: 477,359 (454,030 yesterday)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Italy

    Active cases: 101,739 (+1,648 net)
    Death: +812 (total 11,591)
    Healed: +1,590 (toal 14,620)

    New cases: +4.050

    Tests: 477,359 (454,030 yesterday)

    It's really great to see - lowest number of new cases since March 17th - together with data from the past few days, it looks like Italy might really be getting towards the beginning of the end...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Malmesbury said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.
    Also a very interesting definition of free.. where you still pay.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    "China Created a Fail-Safe System to Track Contagions. It Failed.

    After SARS, Chinese health officials built an infectious disease reporting system to evade political meddling. But when the coronavirus emerged, so did fears of upsetting Beijing.

    The alarm system was ready. Scarred by the SARS epidemic that erupted in 2002, China had created an infectious disease reporting system that officials said was world-class: fast, thorough and, just as important, immune from meddling.

    Hospitals could input patients’ details into a computer and instantly notify government health authorities in Beijing, where officers are trained to spot and smother contagious outbreaks before they spread.

    It didn’t work."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    Raab leading today's presser?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Actual cases is 75,528

    101k is the total. Sorry
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    In other words, Richard Burgon has won the argument?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,003
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1244660470570770433
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,003
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1244660638862934017
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Better together eh?

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1244659487463673859?s=20
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Malmesbury said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.
    Schools do teaching not learning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1244660638862934017

    Let us pray, devoutly and with utmost sincerity, for the speedy recovery of Boris Johnson.

    If you had to make a choice for Prime Minister between Dominic Raab and something in a golf bag, what club would you select?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020
    Haven’t the figures always been for ‘as of that day at 9am’ since the Jtaly comparison was made?


    https://twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status/1241428067081433088?s=21

    https://twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status/1244651132879806471?s=21
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Nice try. All schools are closed (not just private ones), the increased NHS spending is temporary (unless you think, for example, that the Excel centre has been nationalised, rather than hired out for a bit while it has zero other commercial value) and that link you posted is a million miles away from being summarisable as "free broadband".

    "Peacetime history" is an interesting phrase. The pandemic has been frequently compared to the Second World War in terms of impact, which indicates that it's wartime history that bears closer comparison. Would any of the measures undergone so far, look particularly unusual in the context of what a very much Conservative-led administration sanctioned between 1939 and 1945?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    edited March 2020
    FPT @Foxy
    Foxy said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Foxy said:

    Question for PB lawyers:

    I am rewriting my will (never a better time...)
    Is it better to leave it all to Mrs Foxy, or to Fox jr, with Mrs Foxy getting control until her demise, from the point of view of inheritance tax?

    It depends on how much and the taxes you are worried about (Inheritance Tax is obvious but, if assets are being sold in probate, Capital Gains Tax is highly relevant).

    Broadly, if you transfer all assets to your wife, you're not using your nil rate band and she can use your unused allowance as well as her own when she dies (and presumably the arrangement is likely to be reciprocal if she passes first). So you may well not need to bother with a trust arrangement if you've a fairly simple estate. However, it's worth paying for professional advice if your estate is very large (well over the threshold) or complex (substantial shareholdings, property assets etc).

    Also consider reducing liability with some gifts while you're alive (there's a £3k annual allowance, and above that it's only included in your estate if you die within seven years).

    Also consider remembering various charities in the will - the gifts are exempt, plus if 10%+ of the net estate is left to charity, this reduces the rate on the remainder from 40% to 36%.
    Thanks.

    My estate is fairly simple. House and field, and shares in my own company.

    I supported Fox jr through Uni, more than £3,000 per year. Presumably, unless I live seven years that counts as part of the estate for IHT purposes?
    If you can show you paid the £3000 out of excess income it won't come into your estate even if you die within the seven years. Keep a record. I use the IHT record 403 sections 20-22 which your executor would have to fill in.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/750238/IHT403_10_18.pdf
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Endillion said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Nice try. All schools are closed (not just private ones), the increased NHS spending is temporary (unless you think, for example, that the Excel centre has been nationalised, rather than hired out for a bit while it has zero other commercial value) and that link you posted is a million miles away from being summarisable as "free broadband".

    "Peacetime history" is an interesting phrase. The pandemic has been frequently compared to the Second World War in terms of impact, which indicates that it's wartime history that bears closer comparison. Would any of the measures undergone so far, look particularly unusual in the context of what a very much Conservative-led administration sanctioned between 1939 and 1945?
    Our private school is not closed and is schooling children upto 18 across the essential services including over easter
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    isam said:

    Haven’t the figures always been for ‘as of that day at 9am’ since the Jtaly comparison was made?

    Death figures at 5pm in the second tweet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    My worst ever broadband experience was with Virgin ADSL about a decade and a half back, simply atrocious.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    "Free State-Provided Broadband," is a different thing from Uncapped.

    Overall it's the members of the commentariat trying to turn the virus into the Tories' Iraq that will come across worst if we keep it down to 20k deaths. They seem pretty transparent to me right now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    UK +13% cases (yay), +7.2k tests (frowny face)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Haven’t the figures always been for ‘as of that day at 9am’ since the Jtaly comparison was made?

    Death figures at 5pm in the second tweet.
    You’re right 👍🏻
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited March 2020
    Nigelb said:

    This is an interesting development - AOC tacks towards the centre of the party (or at least seems to be attempting to build bridges):
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/new-aoc-divides-the-left-150767

    That is interesting. And perhaps explains why OJ - who loves Bernie - does not seem to retweet her as much these days as he used to.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Haven’t the figures always been for ‘as of that day at 9am’ since the Jtaly comparison was made?

    Death figures at 5pm in the second tweet.
    You’re right 👍🏻
    I too made the same mistake a few days ago!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Can we see all the slides?

    The first two or three slides weren't actually shown.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    Pulpstar said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    My worst ever broadband experience was with Virgin ADSL about a decade and a half back, simply atrocious.
    Used to share a house with a friend briefly and when I moved in he had virgin, couldn't agree more with you. I also play a lot of games online and if you went to the tech forum there were usually problems connecting with virgin coming up regularly
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
    All leadership candidates stated they would not abolish private schools when asked at one of the hustings
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    Ruth Davidson up to her old tricks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    And time for the absolute knob-head questions....who will win the prize today.

    I have to say they will have to go some to outdo the journalist who asked Stephens as he was explaining NHS Nightingale, won't this be counter-productive because there will be less nurses elsewhere.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Good to see Vallance dishing Beth Rigby's question
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Was there any update on Boris' (et al) health?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    Monkeys said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    "Free State-Provided Broadband," is a different thing from Uncapped.

    Overall it's the members of the commentariat trying to turn the virus into the Tories' Iraq that will come across worst if we keep it down to 20k deaths. They seem pretty transparent to me right now.
    State broadband is a bad idea regardless of if free or not.

    One provider so if it falls over no other routes to the net.

    People have different broadband needs other than just speed and data cap and a single provider will likely not provide a suitable package for everyone.

    No competition == no incentive to improve I am sure anyone who remembers nationalised BT will be nodding there

    Making the means of our communication state controlled is asking for trouble down the line
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1244660470570770433

    That sign is saying that staying at home is greater than saving lives.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good to see Vallance dishing Beth Rigby's question

    She is on my list of the total absolute utter bell-ends of the nth degree of this crisis, rather than the bell-end list. No wonder Adam Boulton gets so shitty with her, having to work with her every day.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
    All leadership candidates stated they would not abolish private schools when asked at one of the hustings
    That doesn’t mean that such views are not shared by ‘the Labour Party,’ just that they are not shared by the Labour leadership.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    @Foxy Have you had your test results back yet >?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
    All leadership candidates stated they would not abolish private schools when asked at one of the hustings
    That doesn’t mean that such views are not shared by ‘the Labour Party,’ just that they are not shared by the Labour leadership.
    Is it not membership that sets labour policy, not labour leaders now in any case?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    There must be a reason behind the change in signage. It isn't an accident. Guessing the nudge guys have said the Venezuela flag doesn't get people's attention enough.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Malmesbury said:

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.

    Yes - an attempt to avoid fee disputes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    If we have spare testing capacity it's time to do mass testing for front line NHS staff. A few of my family would like some clarity as to whether they have it because they have mild symptoms and are currently self isolating.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
    All leadership candidates stated they would not abolish private schools when asked at one of the hustings
    That doesn’t mean that such views are not shared by ‘the Labour Party,’ just that they are not shared by the Labour leadership.
    Is it not membership that sets labour policy, not labour leaders now in any case?
    I think that’s rather oversimplifying the situation. Conference has, and has always had, a right to set policy, but AIUI the leadership decides when and how to implement it.

    So, there might be a policy of abolishing private schools which Starmer never gets round to implementing.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    eristdoof said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1244660470570770433

    That sign is saying that staying at home is greater than saving lives.
    Can anyone explain to me what the significance of moving away from the Labour-red, Tory-blue, LibDem-yellow colour scheme, that was used over the last couple of days, is?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    The take-away from this evening...

    The UK’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, has reiterated that the coronavirus pandemic will deepen over the next two to three weeks.

    After that point, he expects cases to begin to stagnate before we experience a decrease. At the moment, data does not suggest that we are experiencing an acceleration of cases.

    This is really positive news. The longer it goes without the bomb going off, the longer we have time to add capacity, put in place a whole range of plans and hope that it never exceeds demand.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Pulpstar said:

    @Foxy Have you had your test results back yet >?

    Yes, today. They were negative. Back to work shortly. Could be false negative, serology will be interesting when possible.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party
    Hmmmm...

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools
    All leadership candidates stated they would not abolish private schools when asked at one of the hustings
    That doesn’t mean that such views are not shared by ‘the Labour Party,’ just that they are not shared by the Labour leadership.
    Is it not membership that sets labour policy, not labour leaders now in any case?
    I think that’s rather oversimplifying the situation. Conference has, and has always had, a right to set policy, but AIUI the leadership decides when and how to implement it.

    So, there might be a policy of abolishing private schools which Starmer never gets round to implementing.
    Ah you mean like Sweden joining the euro
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kinabalu said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.

    Yes - an attempt to avoid fee disputes.
    Well, in my daughters case, they have provide lessons quite well so far.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    edited March 2020
    Our airspace looks to be closed down reasonably well (I know it isn't fully but noone is flying anywhere for leisure I'd hope). I'm not convinced all the internal USA flights are freight or repatriation tbh. It looks a real weak spot in their system.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The take-away from this evening...

    The UK’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, has reiterated that the coronavirus pandemic will deepen over the next two to three weeks.

    After that point, he expects cases to begin to stagnate before we experience a decrease. At the moment, data does not suggest that we are experiencing an acceleration of cases.

    This is really positive news. The longer it goes without the bomb going off, the longer we have time to add capacity, put in place a whole range of plans and hope that it never exceeds demand.

    Very good news as some hospitals appear to be at capacity
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,805
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    That is a hell of a lot more than I pay
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    Pulpstar said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    My worst ever broadband experience was with Virgin ADSL about a decade and a half back, simply atrocious.
    I dumped Virgin. Then i dumped BT.. they are not interested in people who live any distance from the exchange. I now have a privatd supplier at 50mbs at half the cost or less
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    It's two weeks today since I last went to London - and the trains were incredibly quiet that day. So given that quite a lot of people have been behaving differently for more than two weeks, it is possible that we might be seeing an impact already.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    For those trying to keep track of socially responsible companies:
    https://youtalk-insurance.com/news/aviva-insurance-limited/aviva-unveils-immediate-measures-to-support-its-nhs-worker
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    I am reminded of the honest environmentalist I encountered. Her vision of the world was where we all live in giant tower blocks, crowded together, fed on food provided and rationed by the state. All work would be provided by the state. All belonging would be provided by the state...

    She didn't seem to understand my interest in mobile justice in such a future. I was especially keen on seeing if I could get a job as a motorcycle-borne justice deliverer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Foxy Have you had your test results back yet >?

    Yes, today. They were negative. Back to work shortly. Could be false negative, serology will be interesting when possible.
    The test result is as it is !
    Best of luck on the frontline.

    A false negative would be the best result if you've only got off with a very light case but it is what it is and you have to assume a true negative so back to work so long as you're feeling well.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1244661223561613312?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    kinabalu said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Private schools aren't shut - they all seem to be doing remote learning.

    Yes - an attempt to avoid fee disputes.
    Our private school istaking pupils from local schools and staying open until july

    You contempt for private schools is not justified
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Malmesbury said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    I am reminded of the honest environmentalist I encountered. Her vision of the world was where we all live in giant tower blocks, crowded together, fed on food provided and rationed by the state. All work would be provided by the state. All belonging would be provided by the state...

    She didn't seem to understand my interest in mobile justice in such a future. I was especially keen on seeing if I could get a job as a motorcycle-borne justice deliverer.
    Not sure why a self-described environmentalist would have these ideas.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Malmesbury said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    I am reminded of the honest environmentalist I encountered. Her vision of the world was where we all live in giant tower blocks, crowded together, fed on food provided and rationed by the state. All work would be provided by the state. All belonging would be provided by the state...

    She didn't seem to understand my interest in mobile justice in such a future. I was especially keen on seeing if I could get a job as a motorcycle-borne justice deliverer.
    She might Dredd the outcome...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Foxy Have you had your test results back yet >?

    Yes, today. They were negative. Back to work shortly. Could be false negative, serology will be interesting when possible.
    Glad you are feeling well enough to be heading back to work.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2020
    I think this the first time the data on hospital admissions has been released:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1244666690614558722

    It's quite encouraging, in that as Sir Patrick Vallance pointed out the daily increase is fairly stable. i.e. a linear rather than an exponential increase.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    eristdoof said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1244660470570770433

    That sign is saying that staying at home is greater than saving lives.
    Can anyone explain to me what the significance of moving away from the Labour-red, Tory-blue, LibDem-yellow colour scheme, that was used over the last couple of days, is?
    If it helps, the Facebook ads make it a bit clearer that the red/yellow borders are supposed to evoke warning signs. I think. Maybe the blue was focus-grouped out as too calming?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    Rishi Sunak has had a good war
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    tlg86 said:

    It's two weeks today since I last went to London - and the trains were incredibly quiet that day. So given that quite a lot of people have been behaving differently for more than two weeks, it is possible that we might be seeing an impact already.

    I agree with your observation (that was my last day in London too). The public moved ahead of government to some extent.

    It helps a lot in such a crisis that Britain's elderly are a lot more detached from younger generations than in southern Europe. The smarter oldies were locking down well before official government guidance too.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I'm surprised no one has complained that the new hospitals have been called "Nightingale" and not "Seacole"....or at least some of them.....
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    CarlottaVance said:

    I'm surprised no one has complained that the new hospitals have been called "Nightingale" and not "Seacole"....or at least some of them.....

    Don't give the Guardian ideas!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    London now at 29% of all UK cases.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:



    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    Who in their right mind these days goes with a broadband provider that caps their data? It is not even that expensive for uncapped . I get mine for 28£ a month no cap no throttling. Even my mobile has unlimited data for 25£ a month although admittedly that is throttled in working hours if I exceed 40gb
    That is a hell of a lot more than I pay
    Yes you can get cheaper I could if I wanted but the package I have supplies me with what I need , as I noted there are other things to a package than just speed and cap.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I think this the first time the data on hospital admissions has been released:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1244666690614558722

    It's quite encouraging, in that as Sir Patrick Vallance pointed out the daily increase is fairly stable. i.e. a linear rather than an exponential increase.

    Yes - let's see what happens next week (serious symptoms display between 7-14 days after infection normally) but it certainly doesn't look too bad thus far.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited March 2020
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party

    I was more thinking about the financial crisis awaiting many private schools post corona. I predict mass closures.

    On your last point, yes I am (sadly) aware that I am in a minority across all groups in recognizing that private schools are one of the most potent engines of inequality that we have. But you know what, I think this might be about to change. I'm not just saying that. I really do.

    Think about it. When we emerge as a nation from this transformational communal experience, are we going to be happy to see a return to the hegemony of elite fee-paying schools that nurses and supermarket workers and binmen and cleaners and firefighters and police officers - and most of those who have busted a gut to keep the show on the road for however long this lasts - cannot afford to send their kids to?

    I sense not. Change is coming and this will be part of it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Great FA hashtag #footballsstayinghome
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    CarlottaVance said:

    I'm surprised no one has complained that the new hospitals have been called "Nightingale" and not "Seacole"....or at least some of them.....

    Given that Brunel came up with one of the earliest implementations of a pre-fab hospital....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    rottenborough said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    I am reminded of the honest environmentalist I encountered. Her vision of the world was where we all live in giant tower blocks, crowded together, fed on food provided and rationed by the state. All work would be provided by the state. All belonging would be provided by the state...

    She didn't seem to understand my interest in mobile justice in such a future. I was especially keen on seeing if I could get a job as a motorcycle-borne justice deliverer.
    Not sure why a self-described environmentalist would have these ideas.
    Total state control of our lives to minimise our consumption of any resources.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Foss said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    I'm surprised no one has complained that the new hospitals have been called "Nightingale" and not "Seacole"....or at least some of them.....

    Don't give the Guardian ideas!
    They were excelling themselves yesterday with an article complaining that women were going out to work whilst men were having to stay at home. 50 years of feminism thrown in the bin.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited March 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party

    I was more thinking about the financial crisis awaiting many private schools post corona. I predict mass closures.

    On your last point, yes I am (sadly) aware that I am in a minority across all groups in recognizing that private schools are one of the most potent engines of inequality that we have. But you know what, I think this might be about to change. I'm not just saying that. I really do.

    Think about it. When we emerge as a nation from this transformational communal experience, are we going to be happy to see a return to the hegemony of elite fee-paying schools that nurses and supermarket workers and binmen and cleaners and firefighters and police officers - and most of those who have busted a gut to keep the show on the road for however long this lasts - cannot afford to send their kids to?

    I sense not. Change is coming and this will be part of it.
    Of course we will be happy to go back. A millennium of national DNA doesn't change in response to a single crisis. This is pure wishful thinking on your part.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Foss said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    I'm surprised no one has complained that the new hospitals have been called "Nightingale" and not "Seacole"....or at least some of them.....

    Don't give the Guardian ideas!
    They were excelling themselves yesterday with an article complaining that women were going out to work whilst men were having to stay at home. 50 years of feminism thrown in the bin.
    Did they manage an article on how toilet roll hoarding was innately sexist, given the differential needs of the genders for that product? If not, they missed an easy bit of clickbait.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    kinabalu said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party

    I was more thinking about the financial crisis awaiting many private schools post corona. I predict mass closures.

    On your last point, yes I am (sadly) aware that I am in a minority across all groups in recognizing that private schools are one of the most potent engines of inequality that we have. But you know what, I think this might be about to change. I'm not just saying that. I really do.

    Think about it. When we emerge as a nation from this transformational communal experience, are we going to be happy to see a return to the hegemony of elite fee-paying schools that nurses and supermarket workers and binmen and cleaners and firefighters and police officers - and most of those who have busted a gut to keep the show on the road for however long this lasts - cannot afford to send their kids to?

    I sense not. Change is coming and this will be part of it.
    There will always be demand for outstanding private schools and not only do senior police officers and GPs and surgeons have children at private schools but so even do nurses if their children get a scholarship
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Foxy said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    I am reminded of the honest environmentalist I encountered. Her vision of the world was where we all live in giant tower blocks, crowded together, fed on food provided and rationed by the state. All work would be provided by the state. All belonging would be provided by the state...

    She didn't seem to understand my interest in mobile justice in such a future. I was especially keen on seeing if I could get a job as a motorcycle-borne justice deliverer.
    She might Dredd the outcome...
    I always like the way that such people fancy that they will be on the top floor of the Hall of Justice, in the PlayAFullRoundOfGolf Office, sipping a relaxing drink....

    As opposed to being a bystander killed by MaMa going a bit postal on some annoying Judges.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited March 2020
    kinabalu said:

    No surprise here. I do sense Johnson is popular. Probably even more so than this poll indicates since the fieldwork was done before he got sick and seeing him like that will have made him more appealing - especially to women.

    But the politics of the virus is working out terribly for the Tories. Things they traditionally support are collapsing. Much that they oppose is coming to pass.

    Private schools closed. NHS spending to rocket. The biggest expansion of the State, both economically and socially, in peacetime history.

    And now here comes free broadband -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

    The Labour 2019 manifesto is rapidly attaining the status of the King James bible.

    And so what on earth will be the point of the Labour Party, once the Tories steal their policies but implement them with love rather than with contempt for Britain?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    Eh, everyone knows that willingness to splash cash around during a pandemic is exactly the same as agreeing with mass nationalisation and other measures proposed during normal times at a GE.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    kinabalu said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party

    I was more thinking about the financial crisis awaiting many private schools post corona. I predict mass closures.

    On your last point, yes I am (sadly) aware that I am in a minority across all groups in recognizing that private schools are one of the most potent engines of inequality that we have. But you know what, I think this might be about to change. I'm not just saying that. I really do.

    Think about it. When we emerge as a nation from this transformational communal experience, are we going to be happy to see a return to the hegemony of elite fee-paying schools that nurses and supermarket workers and binmen and cleaners and firefighters and police officers - and most of those who have busted a gut to keep the show on the road for however long this lasts - cannot afford to send their kids to?

    I sense not. Change is coming and this will be part of it.
    I think you’re making the mistake of assuming they will actually care either way. Most of them will be more interested in ensuring their children have the chance to go to good schools themselves.

    Private schools are, as I have noted many times, already struggling. However, it is unlikely all two thousand odd will close. Maybe four or five hundred - but then a lot of their students will go to other private schools making little overall difference to the numbers.

    The killer for private schools in the medium term is pensions. But that’s also a killer for government finances as well.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    kinabalu said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Just to correct you.

    Our local private school is open and schooling children from the essential services and is remaining open over Easter.

    Your dislike of public schools is fortunately not shared by most reasonable voters nor the labour party

    I was more thinking about the financial crisis awaiting many private schools post corona. I predict mass closures.

    On your last point, yes I am (sadly) aware that I am in a minority across all groups in recognizing that private schools are one of the most potent engines of inequality that we have. But you know what, I think this might be about to change. I'm not just saying that. I really do.

    Think about it. When we emerge as a nation from this transformational communal experience, are we going to be happy to see a return to the hegemony of elite fee-paying schools that nurses and supermarket workers and binmen and cleaners and firefighters and police officers - and most of those who have busted a gut to keep the show on the road for however long this lasts - cannot afford to send their kids to?

    I sense not. Change is coming and this will be part of it.
    An honest question, say you get your way and find everyone is now more equal but the outcome isnt what you expect but what I expect that is more equal means

    Equally poor....equally poorly educated....

    At that point what are you going to do. Easy to burn things down, not so easy to build them again
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1244658177733427201

    I need another shower. I hate having to agree with Morgan.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I do find it hilarious that placing most of the population in house arrest, closing schools, cancelling elective surgery, panic-buying ventilators, closing restaurants and pubs, closing most shops, bankrupting whole sectors of the economy, stopping people going for walks in national parks, closing airports, and cancelling all sporting events, is somehow to be celebrated as an implementation of Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. I mean, yes, in some ways it is an implementation, but not in any way you'd want to celebrate.

    Chapeau! :love:
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