There was a fuss made about the treatment to King George when he was diagnosed with lung cancer....a journalist showed the profile of a miner who had been treated in exactly the same way to counteract that....
In a crisis it is important to show that people are all the same....just some of us do different things....
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
WHO says the incubation period is believed to be 1 to 14 days, with day 5 the most common.
As my mate now has a cough, and he was around my house last week just before we went full lockdown, I am now counting days.
The use of WHO is so good for deliberate misunderstandings and Daltrey/Townsend puns
“I guess Laura K needs to self-isolate now considering she lives up Johnson’s arse.”
Given that the disease doesn't appear to be transmitted anally, that would probably be one of the safest places to be.
It can be transmitted through faecal matter.....
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
I am actually surprised that VVVIP people haven't been tested every few days to try and make sure if one did get it, they hopefully would limit the spread among the group.
To me it would seem the least you should do. Especially after Mad Nad got it, you would think shit, right, make sure the top team don't meet too many people directly and get them tested reguarly.
The Queen. She's 93. And she's the Queen. So would we expect that EVERYONE she is interacting with will be being tested?
Asking this out of genuine curiosity as to what people think NOT because I have her in "deadpool".
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
You would hope so.
June looking optimistic
Well, quite. We don't want to end up paying people who are normally quiet this time of year due to normal seasonal variation.
Dealing with the self-employed is going to be a nightmare of headlines in the future, due to the lack of available documentation and the use of self-certification.
It's going to be like the emergency relief made available after the Grenfell Tower fire, but on a much, much larger scale. From memory there were at least ten people who ended up in prison for Grenfell relief fraud.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
Yes the maximum thought likely - sorry for not being clear.
No. I shall now interact with mysticrose much more, so as to torment you
The only person you seem to be tormenting is yourself.
YOU believe this as well??
Lol!
I would hope that if Sean created his own Titania McGrath type spoof then they would be 90% obnoxiously woke - not 80% like Mysticrose.
Also Mystic posts early in the morning which rules Sean out.
It is very hard to maintain two (or how many are we up to now?) personas with different views, let alone different writing styles (which Sean doesn't - they all have his typical rhetorical flourishes, ticks, and vocab). Hence Mysticrose's late conversion to Borisism I suppose.
We are not supposed to talk about this, so I will stop, and frankly I'm not bothered - we all post with varying degrees of anonymity here, there's no reason Sean should not have the same entitlement. Between him posting with MPD and not posting at all I would still prefer the former.
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
"Unlike the employee scheme, the self-employed can continue to work as they receive support."
Yep. It's very generous, they can claim the whole bung even if (for example) their income only drops 10%.
I think I`ll defer sending out invoices just in case. Not doing so much work at the moment, but my invoicing covers workdone in preceeding couple of months.
Wishing a speedy recovery to Boris Johnson. Must be scary for them with Carrie being pregnant. Hopefully they have been practicing social distancing in the household too.
It goes without saying of course that I hope not to win the @Dura_Ace deadpool!
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? The caliph of ISIS?
It’s an interesting moral question. Is it ever ok to wish someone dead?
Isn't there a difference between wishing someone dead, and wishing that the thing they are responsible for was brought to an end?
It would have been nice if Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot had realised the error of their ways, resigned, and thrown themselves on the mercy of the courts. But it wasn't realistic, whereas assassination or a natural death were. So someone imagining a better world without them was realistically thinking about a world where they were dead. The world where they have repented is just too hard a fantasy to entertain because it is never going to happen.
To take a thought experiment, suppose Hitler had survived the Second World War and, for whatever reason, the death penalty was not an option at Nuremberg. It's the 1970s, and an elderly Hitler is rotting in Spandau Prison. Do you still wish him dead? I guess those who lost loved ones because of him would, and you'd not blame them for that in the slightest. But is that "moral" or merely natural? I think probably the latter.
I think it was Michael Dukakis in 1988 who tripped up over this one. He was famously asked, if someone raped and murdered his wife, whether he'd want the murderer executed. He gave a perfectly good moral and political answer to the effect that he opposed the death penalty full stop. But it wasn't a human answer and absolutely destroyed him in the debate.
“I guess Laura K needs to self-isolate now considering she lives up Johnson’s arse.”
Given that the disease doesn't appear to be transmitted anally, that would probably be one of the safest places to be.
It can be transmitted through faecal matter.....
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
'3% of Brits were forced by the toilet paper shortages to find alternative wiping material... we've looked at what activities what are Brits doing now that they wouldn’t before'
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
You had to google that? Seriously?
I kind of got the gist of what it was......but then googled it to confirm....not quite my thing....
I've never been able to eat open Bombay mix after I read that a test shows there is evidence of faecal matter
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
You had to google that? Seriously?
One term I did have to google was Spanish Shower
(Those of a nervous or prudish disposition look away now)
Sorry to hear about the PM and Rayner (as well as all those infected).
Regarding Spain, the health minister has stated that they are approaching the peak - since their lockdown has been a bit more severe than Italy, it might come sooner. And regarding Italy, their new cases seem to have plateaued, suggesting we might not have as much a peak but a period of linear growth in new cases followed by a decline (presumably due to the latency of infection).
A lot of us are being fiercely critical of those who take unnecessary risks of being exposed to infection, but what about those who take (possibly equal) risks of working too hard, working too long, mental stress, worry, low mood etc. These are genuine, documented depressors of the immune system, our second line of defence against all viruses, with the first being total non-exposure.
NHS staff are a particular group this applies to at the moment. As are politicians involved in the response. I don't know what the answer is, but these people need adequate respite, not just adequate PPE.
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? The caliph of ISIS?
It’s an interesting moral question. Is it ever ok to wish someone dead?
Isn't there a difference between wishing someone dead, and wishing that the thing they are responsible for was brought to an end?
It would have been nice if Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot had realised the error of their ways, resigned, and thrown themselves on the mercy of the courts. But it wasn't realistic, whereas assassination or a natural death were. So someone imagining a better world without them was realistically thinking about a world where they were dead. The world where they have repented is just too hard a fantasy to entertain because it is never going to happen.
To take a thought experiment, suppose Hitler had survived the Second World War and, for whatever reason, the death penalty was not an option at Nuremberg. It's the 1970s, and an elderly Hitler is rotting in Spandau Prison. Do you still wish him dead? I guess those who lost loved ones because of him would, and you'd not blame them for that in the slightest. But is that "moral" or merely natural? I think probably the latter.
I think it was Michael Dukakis in 1988 who tripped up over this one. He was famously asked, if someone raped and murdered his wife, whether he'd want the murderer executed. He gave a perfectly good moral and political answer to the effect that he opposed the death penalty full stop. But it wasn't a human answer and absolutely destroyed him in the debate.
My favourite response to the time travelling/kill Hitler idea - find him in 1920 & employ him to paint vast murals for the rest of his life in a Bavarian castle.
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
You had to google that? Seriously?
One term I did have to google was Spanish Shower
(Those of a nervous or prudish disposition look away now)
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
You had to google that? Seriously?
One term I did have to google was Spanish Shower
(Those of a nervous or prudish disposition look away now)
The Medic in Private Eye recommends the Wheelbarrow Position for sex as that way you don't cough in your partner's face. It might make gardening more interesting.
I think the best column to look at is the second from the right - Total cases/ 1m population. By that measure, USA (and UK) is well down the list. Switzerland doing badly.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
The other thing about when he recovers, and if SKS doesn't get it, is that Boris will rule for 1,000 years. The equivalent of Queen Elizabeth visiting the East End during the blitz.
Nadine Dorries isn't in the photo, but an unknown number of people who had already got the virus from her or the same source as her are.
If that were the case, surely we would have seen a surge in the number of MPs with it, not just one or two.
That was just over two weeks ago, you have the incubation period, then some time to get symptoms, then some time to get a test, and get the result back, which brings you to... well, about now.
Also the New Years Eve Driving rule applies, which is that if you're doing something reckless that involves a crowd of people, you're in a crowd of people who would do something reckless that involves a crowd of people.
How can you play behind even closed doors and keep the players 2 metres apart?
That is an excellent question.
A simple change to the rules might suffice. Red cards for those breaching the 2m proximity guideline (and each player wearing a small position sensor, so this can be enforced automatically).
That's quite funny
If you dribble the ball at walking pace towards the goal, nobody can stop you!
If the team leading at half time kicks off the second half, then there will follow 45 minutes of a bloke standing still with the ball at his feet and nobody allowed to tackle him... genius
I think the best column to look at is the second from the right - Total cases/ 1m population. By that measure, USA (and UK) is well down the list. Switzerland doing badly.
The trouble with that is that countries take very different approaches to testing. Germany has tested much more extensively than most, so has a high cases per million but low deaths per million. Different countries also, I suspect, even take a different approach to recording deaths (partly due to differences in thoroughness, and partly because a fair number of deaths relate to people with advanced other conditions - a death with coronavirus isn't necessarily a death from coronavirus).
I don't think the league table approach is terribly helpful, although the stats within each country give a bit of an idea of trajectory.
How can you play behind even closed doors and keep the players 2 metres apart?
That is an excellent question.
A simple change to the rules might suffice. Red cards for those breaching the 2m proximity guideline (and each player wearing a small position sensor, so this can be enforced automatically).
That's quite funny
If you dribble the ball at walking pace towards the goal, nobody can stop you!
If the team leading at half time kicks off the second half, then there will follow 45 minutes of a bloke standing still with the ball at his feet and nobody allowed to tackle him... genius
OK, so a few minor tweaks might be required...
Time of possession rules a bit like those in basketball ?
Another Covid-19 dashboard that IBM has somewhat bizarrely put on its weather channel subsidiary shows American cases to the county level, as well as the rest of the world. https://accelerator.weather.com/
At the moment not 1 of the top 10 countries in terms of cases of Covid 19 is in Africa or Latin America, that may change but for now it is most prominent in colder countries just coming out of winter
At the moment not 1 of the top 10 countries with Covid 19 is in Africa or Latin America, that may change but for now it is most prominent in colder countries just coming out of winter
There are other factors, of course. Availability of testing; amount of international air travel etc.
Most scientists looking at this say you can't draw any significant conclusions about climate for now.
As I've said previously, I think until we either achieve herd immunity or get a vaccine developed we might have to close the border to the developing world.
This is going to be like the last days of Chernenko. We'll be counting the days between his appearances and trying to work out how much makeup he's wearing.
I hope it's not too soon to ask this question, but it's a betting site, after all, so, who has the inside track in the 2020 @Dura_Ace sweepstakes?
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In a crisis it is important to show that people are all the same....just some of us do different things....
I even have a photo of us in the same room
For me t'wouls have to be the one of many SeanTs
A WHO doctor was providing advice on sexual relations with someone diagnosed with the C...apparently kissing and analingus (gross...I had to google it to find what that was) are risky...but everything else is OK....
Asking this out of genuine curiosity as to what people think NOT because I have her in "deadpool".
It's going to be like the emergency relief made available after the Grenfell Tower fire, but on a much, much larger scale. From memory there were at least ten people who ended up in prison for Grenfell relief fraud.
Back to it.
xx
As if I need to ask :-)
"Coronavirus will change nothing
The Black Death shows that after a pandemic, life goes on as before
By Ben Gummer"
https://unherd.com/2020/03/coronavirus-will-change-nothing
We are not supposed to talk about this, so I will stop, and frankly I'm not bothered - we all post with varying degrees of anonymity here, there's no reason Sean should not have the same entitlement. Between him posting with MPD and not posting at all I would still prefer the former.
It goes without saying of course that I hope not to win the @Dura_Ace deadpool!
It would have been nice if Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot had realised the error of their ways, resigned, and thrown themselves on the mercy of the courts. But it wasn't realistic, whereas assassination or a natural death were. So someone imagining a better world without them was realistically thinking about a world where they were dead. The world where they have repented is just too hard a fantasy to entertain because it is never going to happen.
To take a thought experiment, suppose Hitler had survived the Second World War and, for whatever reason, the death penalty was not an option at Nuremberg. It's the 1970s, and an elderly Hitler is rotting in Spandau Prison. Do you still wish him dead? I guess those who lost loved ones because of him would, and you'd not blame them for that in the slightest. But is that "moral" or merely natural? I think probably the latter.
I think it was Michael Dukakis in 1988 who tripped up over this one. He was famously asked, if someone raped and murdered his wife, whether he'd want the murderer executed. He gave a perfectly good moral and political answer to the effect that he opposed the death penalty full stop. But it wasn't a human answer and absolutely destroyed him in the debate.
State of the USA
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I've never been able to eat open Bombay mix after I read that a test shows there is evidence of faecal matter
(Those of a nervous or prudish disposition look away now)
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spanish shower
Never been able to look at my chairman the same way since.......
Regarding Spain, the health minister has stated that they are approaching the peak - since their lockdown has been a bit more severe than Italy, it might come sooner. And regarding Italy, their new cases seem to have plateaued, suggesting we might not have as much a peak but a period of linear growth in new cases followed by a decline (presumably due to the latency of infection).
NHS staff are a particular group this applies to at the moment. As are politicians involved in the response. I don't know what the answer is, but these people need adequate respite, not just adequate PPE.
https://twitter.com/nickeaney/status/1243510189090799617?s=21
She added that the number of people who had tested positive for Covid-19 in Scotland had risen by 165 from Thursday's total, from 894 to 1059.
The First Minister said that 72 patients with coronavirus symptoms are in intensive care units.
https://twitter.com/JPSpinetto/status/1243216960537726988
Also the New Years Eve Driving rule applies, which is that if you're doing something reckless that involves a crowd of people, you're in a crowd of people who would do something reckless that involves a crowd of people.
I don't think the league table approach is terribly helpful, although the stats within each country give a bit of an idea of trajectory.
OK, so a few minor tweaks might be required...
Time of possession rules a bit like those in basketball ?
https://twitter.com/cap1024/status/1243514619618045959
https://accelerator.weather.com/
https://twitter.com/ColinGeorgeBBC/status/1243515047936131072
Availability of testing; amount of international air travel etc.
Most scientists looking at this say you can't draw any significant conclusions about climate for now.
CMO or CSO must be carriers surely