Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
They could well be catching it in their lockdowned homes from family.
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Lots of people still going to work in Italy, and a lot more were going to work before "non-essential" businesses were closed just 5 days ago.
And I spent a very pleasant couple of days in close proximity to 50,000 people at Prestbury Park getting on for three weeks ago.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
Presumed being the operative word. Although there are still increases in the numbers it is not still rising day on day.
Downing Street said Mr Johnson had been tested on the advice of his chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty, having been experiencing "mild symptoms" on Thursday.
I think after a couple of weeks of poor comms, they have got the slogan right now and are consistently on message with it. Is it another Big Dom creation?
The last Prime Minister to die in office was Viscount Palmerston in 1865, who was 80 years old at the time. Admittedly Campbell-Bannerman (died 15 days after resigning) and Winston Churchill (severe stroke) had narrow squeaks of it. (By contrast, in that same time six US presidents have died in office: Garfield, Arthur, McKinley, Harding, Roosevelt and Kennedy.)
Given who would replace him, I am suddenly very anxious that Boris Johnson should not break this 155 year duck.
A tale is told of the great wit and anarchist John Wilkes, who was sitting next to the Prince of Wales, the future George IV, at a dinner in Paris. Suddenly, Wilkes stood up and proposed a toast to the health of His Majesty King George III. After the toast had been drunk, rather ungraciously on the part of the Prince, he turned to Wilkes and asked, 'tell me, how long have you taken an interest in my father's health?'
'Why, since I had the pleasure of Your Royal Highness' acquaintance,' came the reply.
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
I think most of us "remoaners" understand very well why the PM and others involved in coordinating the response gets prioritised for testing.
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
There will be two groups of people on Twitter saying ‘why is he getting tested so quick, he’s not a nurse blah blah’
Corbynites, and Remoaners
Their conspiracy theory that he wants to kill of all the old Gammon and the poor, to leave more for the rich like him has taken a bit of a hit. I am not sure you infect yourself if that is your plan.
That is really bad news. Here's hoping for a rapid recovery.
On the football I am torn. I can't help feeling it is f******* hilarious that Liverpool might be denied their first Championship in 30 years but I do agree some distraction would be a benefit.
Well there’s a theory that I’m prepared for that to happen as it sends United bust.
Imagine being a highly leveraged football club reliant on merchandise and sponsorship to pay the interest and PIKs and suddenly all of that dries up, plus if the season is voided then it’s another season without CL football.
We're not actually as highly geared as we were a few years ago but all clubs are going to take a serious financial hit over this. I've heard that some people even wear Liverpool tops, presumably in an ironic kind of way.
If the games were played under the strictest social distancing rules it would put an end to professional fouls at a stroke
You'd still get players diving in the box.
No, I think it would be excellent. You'd eliminate doubt about most offences, and substantially improve the passing game. To avoid congestion, you'd probably need a rule limiting the number of players teams could have on each half of the pitch at any one time, too.
I think after a couple of weeks of poor comms, they have got the slogan right now and are consistently on message with it. Is it another Big Dom creation?
Definitely.
PROTECT THE NHS
Three words.
And three phrases.
Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.
Get Brexit done!
He was particularly on-message at the end of his video.
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only, and would receive the best possible treatment if it deteriorated. For there to be large movements in the next PM market based on that has to be huge over-steer.
I think most of us "remoaners" understand very well why the PM and others involved in coordinating the response gets prioritised for testing.
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
There will be two groups of people on Twitter saying ‘why is he getting tested so quick, he’s not a nurse blah blah’
Corbynites, and Remoaners
The point is that MOST Corbynites won't, and MOST Remoaners won't.
Were Corbyn to get the virus, say, some Tories would be gleeful on Twitter and on here. But it is important to note that MOST would not.
Given the length of time Corbyn has spent in Johnson's company in the last 48 hours, you would have to assume he is now highly likely to have become infected. The despatch box is I think less than two metres wide and they were directly facing each other.
Much though I dislike the man, I really hope he doesn't get it. Even though he looks pretty fit it would be seriously bad news at his age.
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
It's probably because Raab is one of the youngest senior cabinet members.
Despite some carping from the sidelines the team of Boris, Matt and Rishi have done a lot to give confidence and hope. Raab would lower the mood at your average funeral. The loss of either our CSO or CMO would also be a blow.
So how long do we give it some idiot appears on 24hr news saying why did Boris get priority for test?
Already happened and the unsurprising idiot was Adam Boulton
Boris Derangement Syndrome....some of the media really would have been on Hitler's side if Boris had been in charge of WWII, such is the level of their hatred towards him.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
It's probably because Raab is one of the youngest senior cabinet members.
I think most of us "remoaners" understand very well why the PM and others involved in coordinating the response gets prioritised for testing.
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
There will be two groups of people on Twitter saying ‘why is he getting tested so quick, he’s not a nurse blah blah’
Corbynites, and Remoaners
The point is that MOST Corbynites won't, and MOST Remoaners won't.
Were Corbyn to get the virus, say, some Tories would be gleeful on Twitter and on here. But it is important to note that MOST would not.
Most remainers, certainly, but most Corbynites? Hmm.
I don't think you've met enough Corbynites on forums other than Twitter or whatever. I find their starry-eyed "Jeremy was the first one who INSPIRED me!" baffling and even infuriating. But MOST are basically fine.
I think most of us "remoaners" understand very well why the PM and others involved in coordinating the response gets prioritised for testing.
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
There will be two groups of people on Twitter saying ‘why is he getting tested so quick, he’s not a nurse blah blah’
Corbynites, and Remoaners
The point is that MOST Corbynites won't, and MOST Remoaners won't.
Were Corbyn to get the virus, say, some Tories would be gleeful on Twitter and on here. But it is important to note that MOST would not.
Most remainers, certainly, but most Corbynites? Hmm.
I don't think you've met enough Corbynites on forums other than Twitter or whatever. I find their starry-eyed "Jeremy was the first one who INSPIRED me!" baffling and even infuriating. But MOST are basically fine.
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
It's probably because Raab is one of the youngest senior cabinet members.
Could be that Gove a) stabbed Boris in the back and b) is a friend of Cummings. Boris is known to bear grudges, and it's just possible he regards Cummings with some suspicion.
I think most of us "remoaners" understand very well why the PM and others involved in coordinating the response gets prioritised for testing.
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
There will be two groups of people on Twitter saying ‘why is he getting tested so quick, he’s not a nurse blah blah’
Corbynites, and Remoaners
The point is that MOST Corbynites won't, and MOST Remoaners won't.
Were Corbyn to get the virus, say, some Tories would be gleeful on Twitter and on here. But it is important to note that MOST would not.
Good point.
As with the stories of people misbehaving under the lockdown rules, they are the tiny minority and the risk is of these stories being over-amplified so more people think they are normal behaviours.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
I think the CMO said because so much was unknown about CV and that many diseases are very dangerous to a pregnant woman and their child, they were just erring on the side of extreme caution on this one.
I believe have had a new born contract haven't we?
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
Portland Clinic? King Edward whatever it is? Really??
Of course if and when Boris gets over this (soon, I hope), it might have a negative effect on lockdown compliance as some people might well think "if that fat old tosser gets it and survives, I will be fine".
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
The thing I find so puzzling about this virus (though not an expert and I’m sure someone much more qualified could explain to me why this is the case) is why some people seem to go through hell and back with it and others seem to have a bit of a bug that apparatus to be akin to the common cold. I’m sure genetics and the state of someone’s immune system play a part here, but it’s a bit of a strange lottery of a virus.
Slightly amazed to see that this thread was started ages ago...
Football season is done. Plenty of examples from the past about how to manage the outturn - promote teams up, don't relegate. Rebalance the leagues next season.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
A friend just messaged me about this. It's because SARS had a link to higher miscarriage rates so the British Fetility Association(Board?) are advising people not to conceive at the moment.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
The thing I find so puzzling about this virus (though not an expert and I’m sure someone much more qualified could explain to me why this is the case) is why some people seem to go through hell and back with it and others seem to have a bit of a bug that apparatus to be akin to the common cold. I’m sure genetics and the state of someone’s immune system play a part here, but it’s a bit of a strange lottery of a virus.
Oops, typing too quickly on my phone. “Appears to be akin”
Slightly amazed to see that this thread was started ages ago...
Football season is done. Plenty of examples from the past about how to manage the outturn - promote teams up, don't relegate. Rebalance the leagues next season.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure all the clubs will simply agree that Liverpool have won the PL.
Kind-of more important than risking the lives of your (very expensive) players and staff.
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
Portland Clinic? King Edward whatever it is? Really??
Sorry to be recidivist about this but the King Edward VII has a great wine list (BBR).
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
The thing I find so puzzling about this virus (though not an expert and I’m sure someone much more qualified could explain to me why this is the case) is why some people seem to go through hell and back with it and others seem to have a bit of a bug that apparatus to be akin to the common cold. I’m sure genetics and the state of someone’s immune system play a part here, but it’s a bit of a strange lottery of a virus.
Maybe it's genetic. If you had an ancestor that liked eating bats, you're OK.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
A friend of my daughter is due to give birth to her first child next week. She is terrified of going into hospital. Also from what I vicariously recall of the process a restriction on the ability to breath would be sub optimal.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
The other thing about when he recovers, and if SKS doesn't get it, is that Boris will rule for 1,000 years. The equivalent of Queen Elizabeth visiting the East End during the blitz.
So how long do we give it some idiot appears on 24hr news saying why did Boris get priority for test?
Already happened and the unsurprising idiot was Adam Boulton
He did?? He’s such a dick.
A lot of journalists are having a very bad plague.
They've spent the last four or five years instinctively opposing the government, all their works and all their evil deeds, and have completely missed the point that they now all need to be on-message and supportive of the war effort.
In 1982, they'd have be leading the news with the 200 'academics' who wrote a letter to the Guardian supporting the Argentinians, complete with fawning interviews and commentary.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
The other thing about when he recovers, and if SKS doesn't get it, is that Boris will rule for 1,000 years. The equivalent of Queen Elizabeth visiting the East End during the blitz.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
A friend of my daughter is due to give birth to her first child next week. She is terrified of going into hospital. Also from what I vicariously recall of the process a restriction on the ability to breath would be sub optimal.
I would think the manager of the maternity unit has been in a state of high anxiety and double plus squared infection prevention for some weeks now.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
The other thing about when he recovers, and if SKS doesn't get it, is that Boris will rule for 1,000 years. The equivalent of Queen Elizabeth visiting the East End during the blitz.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
With pleasure. Not at the bad BJ news, I hasten to stress, but at receiving a "Great Post" from @TOPPING. It's the ultimate PB accolade in my book. And my first since October 2018.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
A thoroughly depressing post to read. You start off thinking you have a mild case, and it just keeps getting worse.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
55 - 56 in June. He is older than he looks.
And very overweight. Bet his BP isn't great therefore, which is an associated high risk underlying health condition.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
The other thing about when he recovers, and if SKS doesn't get it, is that Boris will rule for 1,000 years. The equivalent of Queen Elizabeth visiting the East End during the blitz.
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A somewhat ironic comment there.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johnson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11964493
I think after a couple of weeks of poor comms, they have got the slogan right now and are consistently on message with it. Is it another Big Dom creation?
Please don't take a few people on Twitter and assert it's representative of the broader group - it's childish.
Raab!!!
'Why, since I had the pleasure of Your Royal Highness' acquaintance,' came the reply.
Disinfect everything through your door.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-52058613
You'd eliminate doubt about most offences, and substantially improve the passing game.
To avoid congestion, you'd probably need a rule limiting the number of players teams could have on each half of the pitch at any one time, too.
Were Corbyn to get the virus, say, some Tories would be gleeful on Twitter and on here. But it is important to note that MOST would not.
Boris' age group has much better odds of pulling through than that.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
Much though I dislike the man, I really hope he doesn't get it. Even though he looks pretty fit it would be seriously bad news at his age.
As with the stories of people misbehaving under the lockdown rules, they are the tiny minority and the risk is of these stories being over-amplified so more people think they are normal behaviours.
I believe have had a new born contract haven't we?
https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1243475702109929473?s=21
Football season is done. Plenty of examples from the past about how to manage the outturn - promote teams up, don't relegate. Rebalance the leagues next season.
I'm not a fan of Boris politically although I think he's handled this crisis really well the past 7-10 days. But I would NOT wish this on anyone (except perhaps paedophiles and rapists but that's a different ethical question).
I wish Boris a speedy recovery to full health. We need him back at the helm right now.
Kind-of more important than risking the lives of your (very expensive) players and staff.
There are some MPs who might not fare brilliantly with this.
As indeed, I might not. Lest the bastard virus thinks I'm mocking it.
No, I think he would shit himself and have a meltdown.
In order to have a positive result on a swab, it must have been taken yesterday.
In 1982, they'd have be leading the news with the 200 'academics' who wrote a letter to the Guardian supporting the Argentinians, complete with fawning interviews and commentary.
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
You've got to admire the stoicism.
https://twitter.com/geoffnorcott/status/1243499447742615552?s=21
https://twitter.com/geoffnorcott/status/1243501703019876353?s=21