Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
He certainly used to be a keen cyclist too. One of the two times I've "met" him, he narrowly missed me while cycling furiously down one of the side streets off Piccadilly. (The other time he shook me by the hand as I left Waterloo Station and hoped that I would vote for him. As my train had last stopped in Farnborough (the Hampshire one) possibly no one on it was entitled to vote for Mayor of London.)
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
It's probably because Raab is one of the youngest senior cabinet members.
Pretty sure Sunak is younger.
He is but he's still rather inexperienced despite being chancellor.
Can you get coronavirus via a contact with an infected person that you only pretended to have, because if it turns out it can be transmitted by lies then a number of things fall into place
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
Of course if and when Boris gets over this (soon, I hope), it might have a negative effect on lockdown compliance as some people might well think "if that fat old tosser gets it and survives, I will be fine".
Perhaps they'll be aware of that and he won't bounce back tigger like even if he feels great.
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Disinfect everything through your door.
Or just, you know, wash your hands after?
Mysticrose is right. Everything that comes through the door is a risk. You can wash your hands as much as you like but if you touch those items once and lift your hand to your face straight after, you can get infected.
Leave deliveries for a few days before opening them, disinfect stuff you buy at supermarkets. If you want to be as careful as possible.
Why? Open box, put things away, wash your hands. It will probably be 72 hours before you touch most of it again.
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Disinfect everything through your door.
Or just, you know, wash your hands after?
Mysticrose is right. Everything that comes through the door is a risk. You can wash your hands as much as you like but if you touch those items once and lift your hand to your face straight after, you can get infected.
Leave deliveries for a few days before opening them, disinfect stuff you buy at supermarkets. If you want to be as careful as possible.
Tip...if you have outside space, order yourself a garden weed sprayer. Fill it with dilute concentration of bleach and spray everything that is delivered down. Obviously you can't do that with fresh vegetables / fruit, but then should you get those anyway? And if you do, Dr Foxy recommended the stuff you use to sanitise babies bottles.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1
I'm guessing far, far more than anyone currently realizes and this will be proven when the antibody test comes on stream in a few weeks.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
Of course. But the odds for his age group are way better than the Raab price implies.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
Everyone who feels a bit odd at this time of the year almost certainly doesn't have it. But yes, we do need to know how many have had it; it is a large uncertainty.
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Well, that's true. It's not specific to Coronavirus that cases that end up very serious and needing medical intervention do not start as very serious and needing medical intervention.
The point is that quite a lot of cases don't go far along the deterioration trajectory at all (not, of course, minimising the fact that a small but non-trivial minority go a long way on that trajectory).
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
I attended a CORVID Webinar this morning - I believe they said 14 days was typically the usual maximum but there have been recorded cases in excess of that. The presenter said the longest period was apparently over 30 days.....
I am actually surprised that VVVIP people haven't been tested every few days to try and make sure if one did get it, they hopefully would limit the spread among the group.
To me it would seem the least you should do. Especially after Mad Nad got it, you would think shit, right, make sure the top team don't meet too many people directly and get them tested reguarly.
If Boris comes through this with minimal side effects the pressure to lift the lockdown will rise.
This could be a bonus.
That’s.... an unusual take
I think it could be quite insightful actually.
When Johnson recovers, with minimal symptoms which we shall see on video link, and news grows of other high profile people getting the virus and recovering fine, people will start to question lockdown more than they are now.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
I attended a CORVID Webinar this morning - I believe they said 14 days was typically the usual maximum but there have been recorded cases in excess of that. The presenter said the longest period was apparently over 30 days.....
Interesting, and scary. Do you recall what the typical time was?
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Disinfect everything through your door.
Or just, you know, wash your hands after?
Mysticrose is right. Everything that comes through the door is a risk. You can wash your hands as much as you like but if you touch those items once and lift your hand to your face straight after, you can get infected.
Leave deliveries for a few days before opening them, disinfect stuff you buy at supermarkets. If you want to be as careful as possible.
Tip...if you have outside space, order yourself a garden weed sprayer. Fill it with dilute concentration of bleach and spray everything that is delivered down. Obviously you can't do that with fresh vegetables / fruit, but then should you get those anyway? And if you do, Dr Foxy recommended the stuff you use to sanitise babies bottles.
I understand the advice is to wash fruit and veg in soapy water
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
88% of those who have any symptoms get a fever, apparently.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
88% of those who have any symptoms get a fever, apparently.
That could square too. I had a mild fever late last Friday night too, now gone.
As mentioned now, it does seem incredibly important for us to know how many of us have had it or may still have it.
If Boris comes through this with minimal side effects the pressure to lift the lockdown will rise.
This could be a bonus.
That’s.... an unusual take
I think it could be quite insightful actually.
When Johnson recovers, with minimal symptoms which we shall see on video link, and news grows of other high profile people getting the virus and recovering fine, people will start to question lockdown more than they are now.
They’d be complete prats to do so, but given that many have not covered themselves in much glory throughout this whole spectacle, it would be unsurprising....
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
I too was fatigued before I retired. I was much better for several years afterwards.
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
I attended a CORVID Webinar this morning - I believe they said 14 days was typically the usual maximum but there have been recorded cases in excess of that. The presenter said the longest period was apparently over 30 days.....
It's difficult to know precisely when the moment of infection was. It might not be the same as the moment someone was known to have come into contact with a carrier.
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? The caliph of ISIS?
It’s an interesting moral question. Is it ever ok to wish someone dead?
Yes it is. This was Dietrich Bonhoeffer's angst which drove his famous Ethics book and led to his participation on the plot to bomb Hitler.
However, such sentiments should probably be limited and I can't think of anyone on the British political scene to whom this would be remotely appropriate.
Boris must be very scared he’s given it to his pregnant wife.
The prime minister needs some kindness right now.
I really dont understand this supposed risk to pregnant women. It doesn't seem to feature in other countries advice, and there has been no news cases of bad outcomes in pregnancy.
If you look at the varying advice, it seems the experts simply don’t know yet. Not enough data. So they’re erring on the side of caution in the UK
One thing is for sure: this is a terrifying time to be heavily pregnant. When you deliver you’re probably going to be in a maxed out hospital full of corona sufferers.
Very tough.
A friend of my daughter is due to give birth to her first child next week. She is terrified of going into hospital. Also from what I vicariously recall of the process a restriction on the ability to breath would be sub optimal.
All this stuff about remoaners. Seriously. We are way past that now.
Remoaners clearly aren’t ‘over it’. Hence the reaction of the extremists, on twitter, to this news.
Brexit Derangement Syndrome appears to be a lifelong affliction, once you are infected.
One of the symptoms of BDS is screaming "I AM COMPLETELY LOGICAL" at the top of your voice, while wearing your underpants on your head and sticking pencils up your nose.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
The thing I find so puzzling about this virus (though not an expert and I’m sure someone much more qualified could explain to me why this is the case) is why some people seem to go through hell and back with it and others seem to have a bit of a bug that apparatus to be akin to the common cold. I’m sure genetics and the state of someone’s immune system play a part here, but it’s a bit of a strange lottery of a virus.
It is odd.
I've heard Hypertension can be a big warning flag and there's possibly a connection with people taking ACE-Inhibitors like Lisinopril (but medics are unsure whether ACE-Inhibitors might actually help make the illness less severe or make it worse so at the moment there's no recommendation for people taking ACE-Inhibitors)
I also winder whether someone's past exposure to Coronaviruses (not the cold version but the more virulent versions) might help as people's immune systems are more primed to deal with them?
No doubt there's a ton of other things still to be discovered about why this kills some people and produces little more than a sniffle in others...
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Disinfect everything through your door.
Or just, you know, wash your hands after?
Mysticrose is right. Everything that comes through the door is a risk. You can wash your hands as much as you like but if you touch those items once and lift your hand to your face straight after, you can get infected.
Leave deliveries for a few days before opening them, disinfect stuff you buy at supermarkets. If you want to be as careful as possible.
Tip...if you have outside space, order yourself a garden weed sprayer. Fill it with dilute concentration of bleach and spray everything that is delivered down. Obviously you can't do that with fresh vegetables / fruit, but then should you get those anyway? And if you do, Dr Foxy recommended the stuff you use to sanitise babies bottles.
I understand the advice is to wash fruit and veg in soapy water
We had an Indian 'takeaway' delivered last night which included a salad (standard addition) . Threw it away and just ate the hot food.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
I too was fatigued before I retired. I was much better for several years afterwards.
Not me - since I moved to Spain I find I fall asleep most afternoons despite all my best efforts
I am actually surprised that VVVIP people haven't been tested every few days to try and make sure if one did get it, they hopefully would limit the spread among the group.
To me it would seem the least you should do. Especially after Mad Nad got it, you would think shit, right, make sure the top team don't meet too many people directly and get them tested reguarly.
Yes.
I read that Merkel has already been tested several times
To which the twitter-verse would say....disgraceful queue jumper....politicians are two a penny, doctors aren't (that is literally a tweet I have seen).
Italy has now been in lockdown more than 2 weeks. 2 weeks is the presumed maximum incubation period for Coronavirus. Therefore, any Italian testing positive now, caught the infection SINCE lockdown
How? Where? Why? What’s their age, what do they do, what’s their daily routine?
If we had answers to these questions (eg people are catching it in supermarkets) we would be able to adjust our own behaviour and limit the spread.
2 weeks until presenting symptoms. Most of those won't be tested though. 2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
I was under the impression two weeks was a maximum timescale for developing symptoms, not the norm.
WHO says the incubation period is believed to be 1 to 14 days, with day 5 the most common.
As my mate now has a cough, and he was around my house last week just before we went full lockdown, I am now counting days.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
Surely yes - same as it being furloughed employees only - the govt aren't paying people who are still working an EXTRA £2500!
Yes it surfaced on here a few weeks back. I've tried to dissuade them, but you know what conspiracists are like
You are one of the finest posters on here. Consistently witty, articulate, insightful; probably very attractive, too. It is an honour to be your PB doppelgänger
Boris probably shouldn't be working, he needs his whole body to fight the virus.
I still can't believe the designated survivor is Raab. It has to be Gove. There isn't anybody in that cabinet who is as well equipped to take on board crazy amount of information and make rational decisions.
It's probably because Raab is one of the youngest senior cabinet members.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1
I'm guessing far, far more than anyone currently realizes and this will be proven when the antibody test comes on stream in a few weeks.
Eadric this thing is clearly highly infectious. We think lockdown is safe? And yet we know it's live on plastic for 72 hours and cardboard for 24 hours. That's every single home delivery that is a potential contaminant.
Disinfect everything through your door.
Or just, you know, wash your hands after?
Mysticrose is right. Everything that comes through the door is a risk. You can wash your hands as much as you like but if you touch those items once and lift your hand to your face straight after, you can get infected.
Leave deliveries for a few days before opening them, disinfect stuff you buy at supermarkets. If you want to be as careful as possible.
Why? Open box, put things away, wash your hands. It will probably be 72 hours before you touch most of it again.
No need to go OTT.
‘Probably’
So a positive to the fact that I can no longer book a Sainsbury's delivery as I am not vulnerable enough, is that I wont be introducing plague-ridden foodstuffs into the house.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
I too was fatigued before I retired. I was much better for several years afterwards.
Not me - since I moved to Spain I find I fall asleep most afternoons despite all my best efforts
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
I fully expect him to recover fine and I hope to god he does. I'm not feeling good about this or thinking it's "karma" of anything stupid. Leave that to the crasser of the Corbynistas. That's a small minority as @SirNorfolkPassmore points out. I'm certainly not one of those bozos. I'm a hard left social democrat.
It IS a blow to morale though. This is, we are rightly told, a war against the "invisible enemy" and our PM has been captured.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
Yes - if a person is running a video conference based life coaching service they wont have been impacted.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
Surely yes - same as it being furloughed employees only - the govt aren't paying people who are still working an EXTRA £2500!
Well that`s not how I perceived it. It seemed to me that all S/E people were being written to and would be entitled to claim. I don`t think this has been picked up by the media.
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1
I'm guessing far, far more than anyone currently realizes and this will be proven when the antibody test comes on stream in a few weeks.
Boris only 50 odd - likely no existing conditions and likes a jog and horizontal exercise.
Will be very unlucky to croak it.
I fully expect him to recover fine and I hope to god he does. I'm not feeling good about this or thinking it's "karma" of anything stupid. Leave that to the crasser of the Corbynistas. That's a small minority as @SirNorfolkPassmore points out. I'm certainly not one of those bozos. I'm a hard left social democrat.
It IS a blow to morale though. This is, we are rightly told, a war against the "invisible enemy" and our PM has been captured.
When he sails through this illness - as I think he will - the opposite could be true. People`s morale will be buoyed by this.
What do we think Trump’s reaction would be if he got Covid-19?
I know what the reaction on PB would be 😀😀😀😀😀
I think anyone who reacted in the way has serious problems with their moral compass. I am not a trump fan or a Corbyn fan. However, I wish a potentially fatal illness on no-one.
Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? The caliph of ISIS?
It’s an interesting moral question. Is it ever ok to wish someone dead?
Yes it is. This was Dietrich Bonhoeffer's angst which drove his famous Ethics book and led to his participation on the plot to bomb Hitler.
However, such sentiments should probably be limited and I can't think of anyone on the British political scene to whom this would be remotely appropriate.
Sadly too many people on the fringes of either side of the debate don't share this viewpoint. I cannot see why, for the life of me, anyone would want another person to die simply for a different political perspective
I even saw someone on twitter wishing the PM's unborn child dead.
You cannot make it up, you really can't
This current crisis exemplifies the need to be nice to each other.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
My understanding is that they will have to declare that they have been adversely affected (presumably with some explanation and figures), but not actually prove it at the time of application. If it turns out later that they were dishonest in this, they can be prosecuted in the same way as they could be for any false declaration of earnings etc.
In practice, I suspect that there will be very little investigation by HMRC on this. After all, there will be very few self-employed people who are completely unaffected, and you only have to be affected to some degree to be eligible for the full 80% grant. Some people will do quite well out of it.
Over 9,000 health workers infected in Spain Spain's health emergency chief has said that 9,444 health workers have tested positive for the coronavirus in the country, Reuters reports.
Coronavirus infections in Italy have not reached their peak, the head of the country's national health institute has said, the day after more than 6,150 people tested positive and 712 died in single 24-hour period.
"We haven't reached the peak and we haven't passed it," the chief of the Superior Health Institute Silvio Brusaferro told a news conference, Reuters reports.
However, Brusaferro said there were "signs of a slowdown" in the numbers of people becoming infected, suggesting the peak may not be far away, after which new cases will show a visible downward trend.
"When the descent begins, how steep it is will depend on our behaviour," Brusaferro said, referring to how strictly Italians will continue to respect restrictions on movement imposed by a government lockdown.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
I too was fatigued before I retired. I was much better for several years afterwards.
Not me - since I moved to Spain I find I fall asleep most afternoons despite all my best efforts
Meanwhile, Dominic Raab was last traded at 20 for next Prime Minister.
As distasteful as it is to bet on someone becoming sick, Raab is into 11 now, Gove is 28.
Ludicrous over-reaction. Johnson is not in a high risk group, has mild symptoms only
From what I've heard generally most cases start off quite "mild".
The first day or so all you have is a dry cough and possibly a sore throat. Around days 2-3 the fever kicks in with general "flu-like symptoms - aches, chills etc.
Around day 5 onwards is when it gets to the lungs and things can rapidly deteriorate from there... Most who need mechanical intervention do so from around day 8)
However, speaking as not an expert on this, I wonder how many cases don't get past stage 1. I had a very unusual and continous kind of sore throat about 10 days ago, with a sensation I've never had before, which has now gone.
Similarly I felt quite fatigued recently. No cough or temperature which seems to count me out but given the current circumstances it’s just so blooming hard to tell what the typical experience is.
We really need that antibody test.
I've been fatigued since before I retired about 10 years ago!
I too was fatigued before I retired. I was much better for several years afterwards.
Not me - since I moved to Spain I find I fall asleep most afternoons despite all my best efforts
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
You would hope so.
June looking optimistic
Well, quite. We don't want to end up paying people who are normally quiet this time of year due to normal seasonal variation.
On the positive, if Boris gets through this in a week or two, he will then be immune and we won't have to worry for the foreseeable future about if he could go down. Especially as this ramps right up.
My big concern at the moment is the two top egg-heads, the past 3 weeks they have been absolutely everywhere.
Regarding Sunak`s S/E announcement, I`ve listened to it again. This is what he said:
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected?? ;
My understanding is that they will have to declare that they have been adversely affected (presumably with some explanation and figures), but not actually prove it at the time of application. If it turns out later that they were dishonest in this, they can be prosecuted in the same way as they could be for any false declaration of earnings etc.
In practice, I suspect that there will be very little investigation by HMRC on this. After all, there will be very few self-employed people who are completely unaffected, and you only have to be affected to some degree to be eligible for the full 80% grant. Some people will do quite well out of it.
I`ve just seen this on BBC website:
"Unlike the employee scheme, the self-employed can continue to work as they receive support."
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2-3.5 weeks until serious cases present themselves. Those will be more likely to be tested.
If you look at the growth rate, the lockdown is clearly having a very big impact.
No need to go OTT.
Queen not seen Boris since 11th March
We really need that antibody test.
But the odds for his age group are way better than the Raab price implies.
But yes, we do need to know how many have had it; it is a large uncertainty.
The point is that quite a lot of cases don't go far along the deterioration trajectory at all (not, of course, minimising the fact that a small but non-trivial minority go a long way on that trajectory).
To me it would seem the least you should do. Especially after Mad Nad got it, you would think shit, right, make sure the top team don't meet too many people directly and get them tested reguarly.
When Johnson recovers, with minimal symptoms which we shall see on video link, and news grows of other high profile people getting the virus and recovering fine, people will start to question lockdown more than they are now.
As mentioned now, it does seem incredibly important for us to know how many of us have had it or may still have it.
However, such sentiments should probably be limited and I can't think of anyone on the British political scene to whom this would be remotely appropriate.
I've heard Hypertension can be a big warning flag and there's possibly a connection with people taking ACE-Inhibitors like Lisinopril (but medics are unsure whether ACE-Inhibitors might actually help make the illness less severe or make it worse so at the moment there's no recommendation for people taking ACE-Inhibitors)
I also winder whether someone's past exposure to Coronaviruses (not the cold version but the more virulent versions) might help as people's immune systems are more primed to deal with them?
No doubt there's a ton of other things still to be discovered about why this kills some people and produces little more than a sniffle in others...
"... the government will pay self employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus ...."
The wording of this leads me to wonder whether this is not quite as it was initially perceived. Is he saying that the S/E person would have to prove that they have been adversely affected??
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As my mate now has a cough, and he was around my house last week just before we went full lockdown, I am now counting days.
https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/1237713857524703232
“I guess Laura K needs to self-isolate now considering she lives up Johnson’s arse.”
It IS a blow to morale though. This is, we are rightly told, a war against the "invisible enemy" and our PM has been captured.
https://twitter.com/lportnoy/status/1243293652899807235?s=21
https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1243498565034561537?s=20
Wow - the comments of the Dutch minister at the meeting about Spain are pretty disgusting.
I haven't been rumbled yet
I even saw someone on twitter wishing the PM's unborn child dead.
You cannot make it up, you really can't
This current crisis exemplifies the need to be nice to each other.
In practice, I suspect that there will be very little investigation by HMRC on this. After all, there will be very few self-employed people who are completely unaffected, and you only have to be affected to some degree to be eligible for the full 80% grant. Some people will do quite well out of it.
Spain's health emergency chief has said that 9,444 health workers have tested positive for the coronavirus in the country, Reuters reports.
Also Mystic posts early in the morning which rules Sean out.
https://twitter.com/abcpoppins/status/1243506233027543042
"We haven't reached the peak and we haven't passed it," the chief of the Superior Health Institute Silvio Brusaferro told a news conference, Reuters reports.
However, Brusaferro said there were "signs of a slowdown" in the numbers of people becoming infected, suggesting the peak may not be far away, after which new cases will show a visible downward trend.
"When the descent begins, how steep it is will depend on our behaviour," Brusaferro said, referring to how strictly Italians will continue to respect restrictions on movement imposed by a government lockdown.
June looking optimistic
Hitherto unrevealed.
My big concern at the moment is the two top egg-heads, the past 3 weeks they have been absolutely everywhere.
I was also Tim and Nigel4England
We're both so brilliant that we shine like porcelain in the darkness
Cheek to cheek.
"Unlike the employee scheme, the self-employed can continue to work as they receive support."