Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
The very low total yesterday was always likely to be followed by a higher than expected figure today.
Today's figure is for 24 hours, yesterday's figure was for 8 hours, so yesterday's number of deaths was higher than today's relatively
What happened to the missing hours?
I think today's are more than 24 hours, but from here on will consistently be 24 hours.
My understanding is that today's figures are for a 24 hour period that starts and ends earlier than before. The adjustment took place yesterday when the measurement period started at the original later time and ended at the new earlier time.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
Has anyone told the commie clerics at FenLand Poly that (a) the cold war is over so stop trying to call the Kremlin and (b) God is toast and science is in now?
Hadn't seen that Clap for carers think, but 15 minits ago I here a lot of noise outside my window, and thought to myself 'what are they doing - ignoring the isolation' now it makes sence.
They say the NHS is the British religion. Well, it is now - mass worship.
True - but I will let them have it this time - 20 plus YO nurses being told to think about wills - Docs in US making care plans for kids if they don't make it
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
I don't tend to use brand names like 'Can I have a Kleenex', but Hoover is one that works. Possibly because it sounds like it does something. It hooves.
Yes, I was out on the balcony. First time I've seen my partner almost 7 days as well. It's been a difficult time for me, but can't imagine how bad it is for the NHS workers, the friends and family of the dead and everyone else who is putting themselves at risk for our safety. If that antibody test becomes available quickly and I've got immunity I'm going to ask my workplace for leave to go and volunteer for people in the community who can't get out themselves.
Hadn't seen that Clap for carers think, but 15 minits ago I here a lot of noise outside my window, and thought to myself 'what are they doing - ignoring the isolation' now it makes sence.
A lot of virus released into the air, perhaps? Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
I don't tend to use brand names like 'Can I have a Kleenex', but Hoover is one that works. Possibly because it sounds like it does something. It hooves.
"Biro" was a term we used a lot at school and Uni.
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
The very low total yesterday was always likely to be followed by a higher than expected figure today.
Today's figure is for 24 hours, yesterday's figure was for 8 hours, so yesterday's number of deaths was higher than today's relatively
What happened to the missing hours?
I think today's are more than 24 hours, but from here on will consistently be 24 hours.
My understanding is that today's figures are for a 24 hour period that starts and ends earlier than before. The adjustment took place yesterday when the measurement period started at the original later time and ended at the new earlier time.
Clarification: the figures released today actually finish at 5pm yesterday on the new schedule. The data relating to today hasn't been released yet.
Slightly shocked to read that 855 nursing home residents in Madrid are amongst those who have died (21% of the total in Spain). That really suggests that once this gets into a nursing home the fatality rate will be extremely high.
A similar thing happened in Seattle with a nursing home.
And there's one in Georgia that's gotten hit too, I believe.
This is also happening in London / SE.
PHE started putting an emphasis on it a few days ago, and Corbyn used his second PMQ to ask about Care Homes.
As a London MP, he should have ground level info on this, and he is right to draw attention to it.
Care Home staff have been very much second in the queue for Protective Equipment, and so are more likely to spread it inadvertently throughout their establishment. They do not have big lobbying groups to draw attention to them.
My point is that the cash Sunak will pay for a few months isn't really that significant - because it's a one-off - if it's £50bn and it raises the national debt from (approx) £1.8trn to £1.85trn that really doesn't make much difference.
What matters much, much more is the impact on the annual deficit going forward - which will take a huge hit because of the broader impact on the economy. Sunak's one-off payments are a sideshow in comparison.
I don't think we were much in disagreement. I think the borrowing numbers are going to look very bad though they may be spread over two years rather than one.
The imponderable is the bounce-back from this in terms of economic activity. Some think there will be a pent-up burst of spending and consumption unleashed - maybe - but I think there will be a residual anxiety which may take a long time to ease.
Both are entirely possible.
An initial burst of activity as people go out to restaraunts and bars, and make deferred purchases.
Followed by a long period where people feel less optimistic, and pull their horns in.
(Bad news for Aston Martin.)
There are too many unknowns for me. Just take football -- will Sky subscribers and season ticket holders want refunds? Broadcasters who bought the rights to show games never played? What of the big owners subsidising (some) clubs: are they too poor to continue because of a Corona-induced recession or even the non-Corona oil price war?
In the economy as a whole after Covid-19 there are too many moving parts so we cannot easily predict that there will be a supply-side crisis or demand-side or liquidity because it may be all of these things in different sectors.
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
So following the government's instructions in every respect is both absolutely the right thing to do, and abject servility? Sorry, but if you still, after the fact, don't understand the utter imbecility of the road deaths argument you are much safer letting other people make decisions on your behalf, Milgram experiment or not.
It was like that around here. I was moved. Quite tearful actually. I was thinking of Foxy and Tyson's relations and hundred of thousands of others who must be terrified of the danger but nevertheless provide essential care.
Applaud like you've just seen the 2015 or 2019 exit poll.
2017
Odd one to clap no matter which side you were on.
You are joking 3 weeks earlier it was supposed to be a Tory Landslide with a maj of 100+ then its a Hung Parliament despite you voting Tory for the first time.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
I don't tend to use brand names like 'Can I have a Kleenex', but Hoover is one that works. Possibly because it sounds like it does something. It hooves.
Tbf Kleenex does suggest its function, depending on what you're mopping up.
My point is that the cash Sunak will pay for a few months isn't really that significant - because it's a one-off - if it's £50bn and it raises the national debt from (approx) £1.8trn to £1.85trn that really doesn't make much difference.
What matters much, much more is the impact on the annual deficit going forward - which will take a huge hit because of the broader impact on the economy. Sunak's one-off payments are a sideshow in comparison.
I don't think we were much in disagreement. I think the borrowing numbers are going to look very bad though they may be spread over two years rather than one.
The imponderable is the bounce-back from this in terms of economic activity. Some think there will be a pent-up burst of spending and consumption unleashed - maybe - but I think there will be a residual anxiety which may take a long time to ease.
Both are entirely possible.
An initial burst of activity as people go out to restaraunts and bars, and make deferred purchases.
Followed by a long period where people feel less optimistic, and pull their horns in.
(Bad news for Aston Martin.)
There are too many unknowns for me. Just take football -- will Sky subscribers and season ticket holders want refunds? Broadcasters who bought the rights to show games never played? What of the big owners subsidising (some) clubs: are they too poor to continue because of a Corona-induced recession or even the non-Corona oil price war?
In the economy as a whole after Covid-19 there are too many moving parts so we cannot easily predict that there will be a supply-side crisis or demand-side or liquidity because it may be all of these things in different sectors.
You can freeze your Sky Sports payments. You still access their output but don't pay and Sky will automatically reinstate payment when football kicks off again. Log in and tick the box; easy.
He doesn't like the government. That seems to be the main criteria (I mean whether supporting or, more likely, opposing) for selection rather than expertise.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
I don't tend to use brand names like 'Can I have a Kleenex', but Hoover is one that works. Possibly because it sounds like it does something. It hooves.
"Biro" was a term we used a lot at school and Uni.
Wasn't the original Biro one who got stiffed by America's then-Chinese approach to foreign IP, or am I misremembering?
He doesn't like the government. That seems to be the main criteria (I mean whether supporting or, more likely, opposing) for selection rather than expertise.
He’s also a disgraced pseudo scientist chiefly famous for his falsification of scientific data and deliberate misrepresentation of a flawed investigation. It would be the equivalent of inviting David Irving to a Holocaust symposium.
That’s utterly outrageous.
Edit - not quite as bad as I thought, it’s Richard Horton not Andrew Wakefield. Still pretty bad though.
Applaud like you've just seen the 2015 or 2019 exit poll.
2017
Odd one to clap no matter which side you were on.
You are joking 3 weeks earlier it was supposed to be a Tory Landslide with a maj of 100+ then its a Hung Parliament despite you voting Tory for the first time.
Fair point - against the expectation much to be celebrated from your side.
Just to report that I set to work with the nail scissors for a bit of a DIY haircut this evening. Just the fringe. Just one of the many forms of entertainment available while shielding.
Re ventilators. Do we have any idea why the government haven't gone at all with the likes of Mr G-Tech and Oxford Unis scrapheap challenge versions (at least as back-ups).
The last time Mr G-Tech was interviewed he sounded very positive, that the government officials had looked at the design, asked for modifications, which he had done.
Both G-Tech and Oxford uni were talking about being able to easily make 1000s of these things.
Would be good to know. At any rate, someone will want to buy them...
Not the Oxford ones...well not until they get a proper uni to give them a second look over...we know what shoddy work they do over there at that 2nd rate university.
I was talking about G-tech. Good company. Good hoovers.
Calling their devices 'hoovers' is the ultimate insult!
I don't tend to use brand names like 'Can I have a Kleenex', but Hoover is one that works. Possibly because it sounds like it does something. It hooves.
Tbf Kleenex does suggest its function, depending on what you're mopping up.
Britons flock to their doorways, balconies and gardens to applaud the hard work of our heroic medical staff
DMail
I confess that such a thing was to happen completely slipped past me, and nothing could be heard. I must live with a bunch of bastards
I heard nothing here in Norwich. I am not particularly comfortable with the idea of being herded by others into taking part in a symbolic act at a specified time. As I say , I was totally unaware of anything at 8pm but fail to see that it would be any different were I to open my door now and begin clapping. I feel much the same way regarding the two minutes Silence on Remembrance Sunday.
Britons flock to their doorways, balconies and gardens to applaud the hard work of our heroic medical staff
DMail
I confess that such a thing was to happen completely slipped past me, and nothing could be heard. I must live with a bunch of bastards
I heard nothing here in Norwich. I am not particularly comfortable with the idea of being herded by others into taking part in a symbolic act at a specified time. As I say , I was totally unaware of anything at 8pm but fail to see that it would be any different were I to open my door and begin clapping. I feel much the same way regarding the two minutes Silence on Remembrance Sunday.
I'm fine with such things, but I should not care to be judged if I did not participate, nor judge others who did not.
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
So following the government's instructions in every respect is both absolutely the right thing to do, and abject servility? Sorry, but if you still, after the fact, don't understand the utter imbecility of the road deaths argument you are much safer letting other people make decisions on your behalf, Milgram experiment or not.
I hope you understand the concept of government and policing by consent rather than unthinkingly obeying authority. And the dark place that unthinkingly obeying authority can lead to.
On road deaths and seasonal flu, the idea is to give context so that the cost/benefits of various options and their impact on health and economics can be objectively considered, rather than let raw emotion take over.
You have your own mindset and feel passionate about this, I can tell. Let's just leave it.
It was like that around here. I was moved. Quite tearful actually. I was thinking of Foxy and Tyson's relations and hundred of thousands of others who must be terrified of the danger but nevertheless provide essential care.
One of my nephews (a doctor) is really ill today....my sister is saying he can barely reply to texts (he's isolated in a bedroom in their house) after becoming unwell overnight.......fever, aches, and cough...
My other nephew...(a doctor)...after a 12 hour shifts on a Covid ward yesterday was told he would have to launder his own scrubs..he was so tired he left them in his car, so tomorrow he goes back in wearing dirty overalls.....
None of them have PPE gear....my nephew on a Covid ward says he tries to avoid the patients when they cough at him....
My anger on this is shocking....I hope Floater emerges from his cesspit tonight so I can metaphorically ring his scrawny neck
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
You did obey authority (travel was permitted) and ignore the wellbeing of socity, yourself and displayed arrogance and disdain for others endangered by your selfish choice.
Yes, but to be clear that's an end state that you get to eventually. It's not a policy you can pursue now without a lot of death and the health system collapsing.
The USA appears to have dealt with this situation especially badly - given they had considerably more warnings and more time to deal with it more effectively. I feel sure that the chances of a Trump re-election have gone down now.
You went skiing because LOL there had been two deaths from Covid in Italy as against however many annual road deaths. As was entirely predictable when you went skiing, Covid deaths 6 weeks later are closing in on three times annual road deaths. You have very possibly infected those who would not otherwise be infected, and if you fall ill you may very well cause avoidable death by depriving others of treatment. And you are still trying to sound clever.
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
I have followed the Government's instructions in every respect because they make sense and I trust the expert advise behind them. That included the advise on travel to Italy outside the hot spots and also in self-isolating which I have done. I have no problem with that.
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
You did obey authority (travel was permitted) and ignore the wellbeing of socity, yourself and displayed arrogance and disdain for others endangered by your selfish choice.
I didn't realise, one thing South Korea has, that no western nation has, they are allowed to track every citizen cellphone location and things like use of public transport and digital payments under these extreme circumstances. This law was passed after SARs.
So, not only have they tested like crazy, they can contract trace in a way no western nation can. And of course then spam those who can in contact with a carrier to isolate themselves.
I’ve just seen an ASDA “we’re all in this together” advert that makes the plea: “please be kind to our colleagues”. So depressing that even needs to be said.
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nation-takes-part-in-clap-for-carers-to-thank-nhs-staff-11964226
I applaud the NHS but I'm not doing anything to wake up a sleeping baby that no-one would hear anyway.
They say the NHS is the British religion. Well, it is now - mass worship.
I was trying to find the information on the NHS website, but they only give the times for data published today and yesterday.
Incredible scenes ... and noise
Obeying the law is not servility, and selfishly endangering life is not an expression of indomitable British bulldoggery. It is just being an arse.
DMail
That one.
I have a problem with the idea that you should unthinkingly obey rules.
See the Milgarm experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Government and policing in the UK is by consent. It works well. Boris has got the balance right and I respect him for that. (I'm not generally a Boris supporter).
I don't like anonymous blokes on the internet telling me what I should do. I don't like the prospect of a society based on unthinkingly obeying authority.
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1243219538562482177
PHE started putting an emphasis on it a few days ago, and Corbyn used his second PMQ to ask about Care Homes.
As a London MP, he should have ground level info on this, and he is right to draw attention to it.
Care Home staff have been very much second in the queue for Protective Equipment, and so are more likely to spread it inadvertently throughout their establishment. They do not have big lobbying groups to draw attention to them.
In the economy as a whole after Covid-19 there are too many moving parts so we cannot easily predict that there will be a supply-side crisis or demand-side or liquidity because it may be all of these things in different sectors.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/feb/02/lancet-retracts-mmr-paper
That’s utterly outrageous.
Edit - not quite as bad as I thought, it’s Richard Horton not Andrew Wakefield. Still pretty bad though.
Whit, Andrew Wakefield?!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE68xVXf8Kw
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-might-still-be-key-in-the-fight-against-coronavirus
I am not particularly comfortable with the idea of being herded by others into taking part in a symbolic act at a specified time. As I say , I was totally unaware of anything at 8pm but fail to see that it would be any different were I to open my door now and begin clapping. I feel much the same way regarding the two minutes Silence on Remembrance Sunday.
On road deaths and seasonal flu, the idea is to give context so that the cost/benefits of various options and their impact on health and economics can be objectively considered, rather than let raw emotion take over.
You have your own mindset and feel passionate about this, I can tell. Let's just leave it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HJHaplmH6o
My other nephew...(a doctor)...after a 12 hour shifts on a Covid ward yesterday was told he would have to launder his own scrubs..he was so tired he left them in his car, so tomorrow he goes back in wearing dirty overalls.....
None of them have PPE gear....my nephew on a Covid ward says he tries to avoid
the patients when they cough at him....
My anger on this is shocking....I hope Floater emerges from his cesspit tonight so I can metaphorically ring his scrawny neck
So, not only have they tested like crazy, they can contract trace in a way no western nation can. And of course then spam those who can in contact with a carrier to isolate themselves.