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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Stocky said:

    Well, you did say "self-aggrandizement", which I didn`t comment on but now see that you dropped it in to irritate me.

    Having read your original post a few times, I think this was one of your "provocative kinabalu posts" designed to produce a response from some of us. The sort of thing you do when you have time on your hands, you know.

    Well it was and it wasn't. A bit of that, hands up, but I do genuinely think Corbyn brought some positives and I wanted to mark his passing in a generous way on a site - ici - which usually has nothing good to say about him. I know it's virus virus virus, but there was a Corbyn project, it mattered, and it is now over. Surely worth a mention. I also happen to agree with much of what you said in your response to it. Whole thing ended in defeat and disappointment and Labour have to reboot.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Next journo thinks you queue at Boots for AB Tests

    CMO says not going to be like that its for critical staff who are off work first
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    That’s unfair. Wetherspoons have that honour.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    They have never shifted from the normal game of trying to get themselves a gotcha moment, to a mode of asking the government sensible questions where there is uncertainty and the public need confirmation.

    Opposite politicians like John Ashworth for the most part has, but many in the media pack still see this as a stupid game to get on over on Boris.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    ydoethur said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Beth Rigby wants us to be more like Italy.

    You really get the feel that the Boris Derangment Syndrome in some is so great they are rooting for this to go really south just so they can pin it on him and be able to say see he is utterly shit.
    Shades of Orwells comments about some people practically crying over the result of El Alamein. And not for joy.
    Well, a lot of his soldiers were pretty annoyed that Montgomery had the victory that Wavell was denied because his forces were stripped from him in a futile attempt to defend Crete.
    I think you'll find that the Army was just fine with kicking Rommel's arse. Soldiers like nothing so much as victory.

    Orwell was referring to certain regressives who quite literally preferred German victories to what they saw as victories for Churchill.
    My grandfather, who served under Montgomery, would have been eloquent in his disagreement with you.

    Admittedly, he was a senior officer in Ninth Armoured Brigade, which may have coloured his judgement somewhat.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Sounds like there are several different types of these AB Tests within the 3.5m and they are evaluating which are best by careful roll out
  • Jonathan said:

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    That’s unfair. Wetherspoons have that honour.
    They, Martin, Ashley, and Britannia Hotels are fighting to win the title
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    edited March 2020
    Wetherspoons may have a slight reprieve https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/1242859437527830529
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    I actually feel sorry for Boris - some of these questions ffs.........
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    eek said:

    Wetherspoons may have a slight reprieve https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/1242859437527830529

    Good news
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    edited March 2020
    The BBC ought to bring back that programme from the 90s called "The Brains Trust".

    https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/1ca5c2eebf4646cbbe637b8bd5fdfd53
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    They have never shifted from the normal game of trying to get themselves a gotcha moment, to a mode of asking the government sensible questions where there is uncertainty and the public need confirmation.

    Opposite politicians like John Ashworth for the most part has, but many in the media pack still see this as a stupid game to get on over on Boris.
    I think they simply don't understand either the purpose or more important the audience. Millions of people watching and listening - many very worried most with no interest whatsoever in the 'Westminster village tittle tattle - why would you choose to wind them un with this inanity.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    eek said:

    Wetherspoons may have a slight reprieve https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/1242859437527830529

    Tim is on PB clearly
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    No, it really isn't.

    Younger people will also die of this.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/people/steven-dick
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    It's why I posted it, while a lot of people who are dying from this thing are old and with underline conditions (I send my condolences to Charles) some are a lot younger.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    For UK to Hungary apparently
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Jonathan said:

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    That’s unfair. Wetherspoons have that honour.
    They, Martin, Ashley, and Britannia Hotels are fighting to win the title
    Still unfair, they are doing their job. I feel better that someone is keeping an eye on the government. It is to their credit that the government are taking daily questions. History tells us last thing we need is for the government to have unquestioning support. Mistakes happen that way.

    What Martin, Ashley and co did is in another league.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    The journalists should not be expressing opinions but what questions should they be asking

    1 icu utilisation
    2 daily increase in icu beds and ventilators
    3 plans for homeless people

    What else do we want to know?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    To Hungary. Not clear where he was treated. R4 imply Budapest.

    https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1242863509551144961?s=20
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ...

    TGOHF666 said:

    Beth Rigby wants us to be more like Italy.

    You really get the feel that the Boris Derangment Syndrome in some is so great they are rooting for this to go really south just so they can pin it on him and be able to say see he is utterly shit.
    That’s absolutely what a lot of his critics want.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Did any of the journalists ask about the construction industry/tube situation in London. Furloughing sites looks like a key factor to me in containing the transmission.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374
    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    Interesting from Spain
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
    Yes, a couple of bad choices and bad luck handed them victory.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    Are they testing people who they don't think have it for it at hospital ? Could explain the large number of negatives even though getting a test is impossible if you clearly have it and are not hospitalised.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Well, you did say "self-aggrandizement", which I didn`t comment on but now see that you dropped it in to irritate me.

    Having read your original post a few times, I think this was one of your "provocative kinabalu posts" designed to produce a response from some of us. The sort of thing you do when you have time on your hands, you know.

    Well it was and it wasn't. A bit of that, hands up, but I do genuinely think Corbyn brought some positives and I wanted to mark his passing in a generous way on a site - ici - which usually has nothing good to say about him. I know it's virus virus virus, but there was a Corbyn project, it mattered, and it is now over. Surely worth a mention. I also happen to agree with much of what you said in your response to it. Whole thing ended in defeat and disappointment and Labour have to reboot.
    Kind people have also refrained from mentioning that 'et generis paribus' is fairly incoherent Latin... :wink:
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Do we have todays UK numbers so far
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    How much do you want to bet that testing goes down?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Teachers on here: do we know how the GCSE gradings are going to work? I`m hearing something about an exam board algorythm. Should my daughter be doing any work now, or after the Easter "hols", or is this it?

    At this moment, nobody knows. We have had general statements but no actual details. My advice would be to keep working in case work from this point on is allowed to be graded. That is also the instruction I have had from SLT.
    But what if she has already covered the syllabus for each subject and the final term was just to be devoted to exam revision?
    She should be asking for exam papers and working through them.
    Thanks for your help
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Italian figures are simultaneously terrible and encouraging:

    https://twitter.com/johndaszak/status/1242867547785093122
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
    Well, it was. It really is that simple.

    Wavell could have secured North Africa and rendered the difficulties of 1942 moot. Instead, he had to give up half his force because of what amounted to Churchill’s egotism, and the Allies as near as toucher lost everything.

    I wonder if Churchill in his later rows with Montgomery ever regretted that decision? Probably not, given by all accounts he hated Wavell just as much.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    Italy numbers

    Borrelli has fever today. He is at home.
    We got two new men reading the numbers.

    Currently positive: 57.521 (+3.491) including 3.489 (+93) in UCI
    Deaths: 7.503 (+683)
    Healed: 9.362 (+1.036)

    Total new cases +5.210

    So, the currently positive number in Italy grew 7.5%, its lowest number since the beginning of the crisis.

    There's more positive news in there. Italy performed the highest number of tests of any day of the outbreak, 27,481 - which is 28% up on yesterday. Despite this big increase in testing, the number of new cases dropped slightly to 5,210.

    In Lombardy, where the virus started, new cases were 1,643. That's almost exactly half of the peak level of 3,241.

    In summary, the numbers are coming down quickly in Lombardy now, and are slowly declining for Italy as a whole. The positive percentage for tests also fell below 20%. Bear in mind that a week ago it was in the 30s.

    If there is a concern, it is that the overall numbers are not dropping rapidly yet. But so long as the rest of Italy is just following Lombardy by four or five days, then the numbers are pretty encouraging.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    RobD said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    How much do you want to bet that testing goes down?
    It will definitely go up surely its supposed to be going up exponentially

    Its how much it goes up that matters if we do not get a lot more tests the 6.5/10 from me goes down
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Frankly, the journalists questions demonstrate that all they want are negatives

    Indeed they are rapidly becoming the bad guys in this

    That’s unfair. Wetherspoons have that honour.
    They, Martin, Ashley, and Britannia Hotels are fighting to win the title
    Still unfair, they are doing their job. I feel better that someone is keeping an eye on the government. It is to their credit that the government are taking daily questions. History tells us last thing we need is for the government to have unquestioning support. Mistakes happen that way.

    What Martin, Ashley and co did is in another league.

    On Britannia Hotels - I wouldn't be surprised if that was a shocked reaction to the err... issues involved in housing rough sleepers.

    I have provided help to people who deal with this issue and there are very real reasons why just bringing rough sleepers inside doesn't fix everything.

    To understand this fully would require reading up on it. But it comes down to something like this - a large enough proportion of rough sleepers have... lost the socialisation skills required to live in close proximity to others, indoors. Without firm management, by understanding experts, the result is at best chaos and at worst, dangerous.
  • DensparkDenspark Posts: 68

    Italy numbers

    Borrelli has fever today. He is at home.
    We got two new men reading the numbers.

    Currently positive: 57.521 (+3.491) including 3.489 (+93) in UCI
    Deaths: 7.503 (+683)
    Healed: 9.362 (+1.036)

    Total new cases +5.210

    so deaths down and new cases slightly down as well. %new cases down to 7.5%
    Wonder if yesterday's figures was a bit of an outlier.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    The Italian figures are simultaneously terrible and encouraging:

    https://twitter.com/johndaszak/status/1242867547785093122

    Italy might just be flattening the curve lets hope so and that we do so soon too.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374
    I grade the journalists at 3.5/10

    In the bowels of Christ, ask the basic questions, I beseach thee!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    The Italian figures are simultaneously terrible and encouraging:

    https://twitter.com/johndaszak/status/1242867547785093122

    It's New York City that looks horrendous right now I think, we should be careful here not to allow London in particular to become like that.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    DavidL said:

    The questions at these press conferences are becoming increasingly pathetic. How long are we going to put up with questions starting “Prime Minister are you going to apologise for X”?

    Well let’s lobby for the questions we do want answers to no point carping from the sidelines, tell them what you want to know.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    "to whom", surely
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    “WE’VE lost a battle, but we will win the war”. That was how Leslie Evans, the head of the Scottish civil service, messaged a colleague in January 2019 after Alex Salmond won his victory in the Court of Session over sex allegations. This week, they lost the war.

    Mr Salmond did not indulge in triumphalism outside the High Court on Monday after his victory against 13 attempted rape and sexual assault charges. He said the fight against coronavirus was altogether more important right now which is correct. But life will continue after Covid-19 is defeated, and revenge is a dish best served cold.

    Mr Salmond believes that a coterie of figures at the highest levels in the Scottish National Party and the Scottish Government connived to have him removed from active politics. That there was a conspiracy by party rivals to use spurious allegations of sexual misconduct to send the most successful SNP politician of his generation to prison.


    http://archive.is/aDdVn#selection-1477.3-1484.0
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Why waste a question on Prince Charles. There are better questions I think.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Problem is these press conferences are covered by Political journalists- perhaps outlets should send different representatives?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    "to whom", surely
    Depends. You can be an ambassador for something or to someone. It wasn’t altogether clear what his role was from the tweet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    405,000 people volunteered...awesome....not everybody is a dickhead.

    Amazing!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    Kind people have also refrained from mentioning that 'et generis paribus' is fairly incoherent Latin... :wink:

    Well it's been a long time! But I did get an A.

    "Ovid's Metamorphoses" - Who could forget that? What a cracking yarn.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374
    nichomar said:

    DavidL said:

    The questions at these press conferences are becoming increasingly pathetic. How long are we going to put up with questions starting “Prime Minister are you going to apologise for X”?

    Well let’s lobby for the questions we do want answers to no point carping from the sidelines, tell them what you want to know.
    Can we have a reporter for PoliticalBetting? Serious question. I would chip in £ pay someone to ask a list of questions... Everyone pitches in. RCS makes the final list.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Teachers on here: do we know how the GCSE gradings are going to work? I`m hearing something about an exam board algorythm. Should my daughter be doing any work now, or after the Easter "hols", or is this it?

    At this moment, nobody knows. We have had general statements but no actual details. My advice would be to keep working in case work from this point on is allowed to be graded. That is also the instruction I have had from SLT.
    But what if she has already covered the syllabus for each subject and the final term was just to be devoted to exam revision?
    She should be asking for exam papers and working through them.
    One more question - would you normally expect exam grades to be higher than mock grades, and if so would you expect this to be allowed for in the exam board algorithm?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    That’s my age.

    That’s disturbing.

    Deputy ambassador for what, out of curiosity?
    "to whom", surely
    Not "to where"?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    I've just seen the very sad news on the previous thread.

    Charles, may I add my condolences to you and your family.

    I have only just seen this. @Charles: my condolences to you and yours.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Do we have todays UK numbers so far

    Not seen England figures but results in a while back from Wales and Scotland
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    RobD said:


    How much do you want to bet that testing goes down?

    They've signed a deal with Roche to expand it to 25k/day.

    For context, S Korea's peak day was 18k, and they have averaged 10k this month.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited March 2020
    kle4 said:
    I agree that cleaners deserve more respect than they get. I was concerned to hear that the cleaners for our office are still going to work as normal, even though no one else is. And this is all because the powers that be want to keep our office open just in case someone needs to go in.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,374
    TGOHF666 said:
    Took them how many years to figure this out?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    Party members first. :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Andrew said:

    RobD said:


    How much do you want to bet that testing goes down?

    They've signed a deal with Roche to expand it to 25k/day.

    For context, S Korea's peak day was 18k, and they have averaged 10k this month.
    Italy did 28,000 today
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    Racing Post suspending its print publication but continuing online:

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/a-letter-to-readers-from-the-editor-of-the-racing-post/430054
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    The BBC ought to bring back that programme from the 90s called "The Brains Trust".

    https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/1ca5c2eebf4646cbbe637b8bd5fdfd53

    If UK broadcasting got back to the level of seriousness of the early '90s, before Birt's refoms and the Broadcasting Act had had time to feed through, that would be another addition to cap the return to a more community-minded country.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880

    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
    But the airfields weren't retaken quickly enough to prevent German reinforcements being flown in.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    edited March 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Kind people have also refrained from mentioning that 'et generis paribus' is fairly incoherent Latin... :wink:

    Well it's been a long time! But I did get an A.

    "Ovid's Metamorphoses" - Who could forget that? What a cracking yarn.
    Ovid's Metamorphoses -- I had to google that, and it turns out to be the basis of a Latin textbook which has a glowing review (or at least a favourable quote) from the then Mayor of London, one Boris Johnson.
    https://souvenirpress.wordpress.com/tag/boris-johnson/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited March 2020
    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Teachers on here: do we know how the GCSE gradings are going to work? I`m hearing something about an exam board algorythm. Should my daughter be doing any work now, or after the Easter "hols", or is this it?

    At this moment, nobody knows. We have had general statements but no actual details. My advice would be to keep working in case work from this point on is allowed to be graded. That is also the instruction I have had from SLT.
    But what if she has already covered the syllabus for each subject and the final term was just to be devoted to exam revision?
    She should be asking for exam papers and working through them.
    One more question - would you normally expect exam grades to be higher than mock grades, and if so would you expect this to be allowed for in the exam board algorithm?
    I can’t tell you that without knowing more about what mocks your school sets. If they set past exam papers, it depends further on when they sat them. It also varies by subject. I would expect my students to show one grade of progress from their mocks, but Maths usually is more, and languages less. And last year at A-level, it was two grades for me.

    Put it this way, mocks tend to be a more reliable indicator of who bothered to take them seriously than they are of exam performance. That’s one reason why it’s not a smart idea to use them for setting final grades.

    And we don’t know yet that that’s what will be used, anyway. So my advice is to get those papers, work through them and get them marked. If in doubt, remember they are available from the exam boards’ websites.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    You know the journalist performance is not on when even Fat Head who absolutely detests Boris and normally fighting his way to the front of the queue to stick his boot in on the government is saying this.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    You are an idiot
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    Even by Boris’ standards, knocking up three million overnight would be hard work.

    Oh, sorry, were you not referring to his sex life?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    ydoethur said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    Even by Boris’ standards, knocking up three million overnight would be hard work.
    In his younger days, he would certainly have given it a good go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    A slight correction from the previous thread: the current parliamentary boundaries are not based on the 2001 census in England, they're based on the electoral register from February 2000.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Whitty says there is not enormous pressure on critical beds at the moment. It is what you might expect for a normal winter day. But he says the pressure is going to intensify in the coming weeks.

    Every day this continues buys us time. Need to get those scrapheap challenge ventilators running off the production lines.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    As of 1pm on Wednesday, 19 prisoners have tested positive for coronavirus across 10 prisons, the Ministry of Justice said.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Boris said 7 days ago
    RobD said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    Party members first. :)
    its not a laughing matter Rob surprised you have stooped to TGHOF level
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Floater said:

    As of 1pm on Wednesday, 19 prisoners have tested positive for coronavirus across 10 prisons, the Ministry of Justice said.

    Probably came in with the drugs
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    Boris said 7 days ago

    RobD said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I would give the Govt response 6.5 / 10

    Testing next week will move that number up or down depending if they materialize

    Everyone who is admitted to hospital is tested - sounds like the current “have you got it” test has limited use beyond that now.

    We need the “have you had it” test.
    NHS staff not getting have you got it test. That is i would have thought a massive problem.
    You would have to test them every day - is that a good use of resources ?
    No you wouldnt

    FU will explain and Foxy too

    but if you were going into hospital would you be happy to be treated by staff who must have a higher chance than the general population of having this by the very nature of their work

    Even worse you need to go to hospital but you cant because NHS and ambulance staff were at home self isolating because they havent been tested
    hence needing an *accurate* antibody test.
    BJO is disgusted Boris hasn’t knocked 3 million up in his kitchen overnight.
    Party members first. :)
    its not a laughing matter Rob surprised you have stooped to TGHOF level
    You can't test everybody.

    Testing with current "have you got it " test at high levels eventually has diminishing returns.

    The CMO does not want to start with antibody tests until the performance has been verified as sound.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Teachers on here: do we know how the GCSE gradings are going to work? I`m hearing something about an exam board algorythm. Should my daughter be doing any work now, or after the Easter "hols", or is this it?

    At this moment, nobody knows. We have had general statements but no actual details. My advice would be to keep working in case work from this point on is allowed to be graded. That is also the instruction I have had from SLT.
    But what if she has already covered the syllabus for each subject and the final term was just to be devoted to exam revision?
    She should be asking for exam papers and working through them.
    One more question - would you normally expect exam grades to be higher than mock grades, and if so would you expect this to be allowed for in the exam board algorithm?
    I can’t tell you that without knowing more about what mocks your school sets. If they set past exam papers, it depends further on when they sat them. It also varies by subject. I would expect my students to show one grade of progress from their mocks, but Maths usually is more, and languages less. And last year at A-level, it was two grades for me.

    Put it this way, mocks tend to be a more reliable indicator of who bothered to take them seriously than they are of exam performance. That’s one reason why it’s not a smart idea to use them for setting final grades.

    And we don’t know yet that that’s what will be used, anyway. So my advice is to get those papers, work through them and get them marked. If in doubt, remember they are available from the exam boards’ websites.
    I recall a row in the physics department at my school when the teacher who set the mocks was annoyed that another teacher had set his group a homework question almost identical to the hardest part of the mock exam. Teacher friends since told me that although teachers are saints who have the interests of *all* pupils at heart, the main thing is staff room bragging rights over whose tutees did best.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    DavidL said:

    The questions at these press conferences are becoming increasingly pathetic. How long are we going to put up with questions starting “Prime Minister are you going to apologise for X”?

    These press conferences with Boris and the Boffins are imo essential and really informative. Unfortunately some journos signal their hostility by prefacing their questions thuswise:
    Laura K: "Can you honestly say that ... ?"
    Beth R: "You said earlier, ..,but"
    Beth R: "Will you apologise ... ?"
    Gary G: "Why is 'as soon as possible' not 'now' ..?
    Sam L: "Your critics have suggested that ..."
    Sam L: "Do you not regret that ..."
    David H: "Will you apologise ... ?"
    p.s. not all journos are like that.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Stocky said:

    Floater said:

    As of 1pm on Wednesday, 19 prisoners have tested positive for coronavirus across 10 prisons, the Ministry of Justice said.

    Probably came in with the drugs
    yeah I thought it was prison staff too..........
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Whitty says there is not enormous pressure on critical beds at the moment. It is what you might expect for a normal winter day. But he says the pressure is going to intensify in the coming weeks.

    Every day this continues buys us time. Need to get those scrapheap challenge ventilators running off the production lines.

    Yes there is a lot to learn from European countries to enable the UK to get in front of the game, the secret is to think big and the double it in terms of facilities etc.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Donald is going to be pissed.......

    India has banned the export of hydroxychloroquine, a drug described as a ‘game-changer’ in the fight against coronavirus by Donald Trump.

    The Indian Government will instead stockpile the drug for its own citizens after a French study appeared to show it could curb coronavirus.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,000

    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
    It badly damaged them and destroyed Hitler's willingness to use them as a strategic weapon. However it might be argued that redirecting the Fallschirmjäger to the role of elite fire fighters was of more ultimate use in the remainder of the war (from the Third Reich's pov).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    7 days ago Boris said

    "We're massively increasing the testing to see whether you have it now and ramping up daily testing from 5,000 a day, to 10,000 to 25,000 and then up at 250,000,"

    How much has testing increased in past 7 days
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932

    ydoethur said:

    Crete was perfectly defensible - if the clown in charge had bothered to read the detailed ULTRA based reports given him. They gave him the entire German plan - pretty much down to how many spare pocket handkerchiefs the paratroops would be carrying and what colours.

    This included the detail that since the German parachute design was particularly stupid, they would be landing armed only with pistols. Everything else, including rifles would be in parachuted containers.

    Trying to defend Crete at the cost of securing Libya was utterly indefensible. It was Churchill’s posturing at its worst, and most costly.

    That’s not forgetting Gallipoli either.
    I don't think doing both was impossible.

    Crete destroyed the German airborne units. It should have been a complete defeat for them.
    But the airfields weren't retaken quickly enough to prevent German reinforcements being flown in.
    It has been said that one reason FDR went off Churchill by Yalta was the Americans had to keep bailing out the British after Winston's adventurism and his repeated failure to grasp logistics and reinforcements.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    7 days ago Boris said

    "We're massively increasing the testing to see whether you have it now and ramping up daily testing from 5,000 a day, to 10,000 to 25,000 and then up at 250,000,"

    How much has testing increased in past 7 days

    Is it lower than 5,000?
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