My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
It’s baffling that some companies are still calling their staff into the office. Home working should be near ubiquitous by now, for those that are able.
Fergusan in STimes said some economists think that the way italians are in social settings may be a major factor. They are more sociable, interact at close quarters more etc etc.
We need to import British stand-offishness around the globe.
As I commented on the last thread and the possible ultimate nationalisation of BA this crisis will drive a 'coach and horses' through the EU state aid rules
you can still bet the 27 together will do better than loners
My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
It’s baffling that some companies are still calling their staff into the office. Home working should be near ubiquitous by now, for those that are able.
In my team we are allowing staff to work from home as they wish. However, some clients still want meetings and I'm going to continue coming in while there is still some demand there.
Some people prefer working in the office to working from home.
As I commented on the last thread and the possible ultimate nationalisation of BA this crisis will drive a 'coach and horses' through the EU state aid rules
The airlines are disposable; The UK operations of Airbus, Boeing and Rolls Royce aerospace are far more stratigically important.
Maybe but they are directly linked.
I know Airbus are seeing order cancellations and lots of worried bosses
if they have to shrink you can be sure what will go first, those outposts beyond the EU will be dumped PDQ, but we will still have blue passports so all will be well.
Bell-end of the day so far....David Blunkett, isolating over 70s is ageist against us a fit and healthy ones.
That's fine, but those over 70 who refuse to isolate will not receive medical assistance if they succumb to the virus. I mean, we're only buggering the national economy to make sure the over 70's don't all die horrible deaths. It's not like they have any reason to be grateful or anything....
I think perhaps the more important point that is being lost is that people under that age who have certain underlying health issues should be taking similar measures. A fit 75 year old with no health issue is probably at less risk than a 30 year old with a suppressed immune system, for instance.
So the message should not simply focus on age but also on those with health conditions which put them at higher risk, regardless of age.
75 year olds with no health issues are a pretty minor minority.
I know plenty.
Well enough to know they are on no meds at all, not for anything?
"In the baseline examinations, subjects were found to have on average 2-3 diseases. During the follow-up the number of diseases and the proportion of people with co-morbidity increased in both age groups. Both men and women had on average 1-2 symptoms that caused them much trouble, and the number of such symptoms increased to some extent during the follow-up."
Morbidity and disability in 75- and 80-year-old men and women. A five-year follow-up.
Worth discussing as an idea. We also need a plan to save small, local businesses like restaurants and pubs.
It is linked. Whilst offering universal basic income, allow businesses (or employees) to temporarily opt of out employment contracts with them being re-instated back to normal when the economy returns to "normal".
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
Does covid 19 transmit in sweat? I assume it can and that seems a massive difference to me between the two scenarios. Some people on a treadmill are also probably exhaling small amounts of spittle similar to coughing.
Sweat doesn't contain any viruses.
In which case fears of the gym are probably overblown. On average they should be better ventilated than public transport or offices. Carrying surface wipes and hand gel probably sufficient.
Air conditioning is possibly suboptimal. Physical activity increases the volume and depth of inhalation and exhalation. Whilst not a sneeze or cough I would think it highly likely the volume of virus (if present in any visitors to the gym) in the moist expelled air was a potential aerosol effect, considerably increasing the possibility of infection. Also they are very popular with commuters, who have recently used public transport virus vectors and Mums with school children, who are a key item in the very sensible youth camp herd immunity project. I wouldn't go near a gym right now. You are dependent on all other users having rigorous standards with sanitiser and personal hygine.
A tradition (third night tonight) is developing where we all go out on our terraces and applaud the efforts of frontline staff in all sectors to let them know their efforts are appreciated.
The combination of universal basic income and helicopter money (thanks, Milty for both ideas) calls to mind the big rock candy mountains.
That song is perhaps the song with the most unexpectedly rude original lyrics of any out there.
Either you are a prude or I am an ignoramus. Or both.
Final, often-censored stanza
The punk rolled up his big blue eyes And said to the jocker, "Sandy, I've hiked and hiked and wandered too, But I ain't seen any candy. I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore And I'll be damned if I hike any more To be buggered sore like a hobo's whore In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."
Fucking hell. There are no Sainbury's deliveries in my area available at all. For the three week window they allow.
I am housebound due to caring responsibilities.
Selfish bastards who are fit and well are taking up slots needed by vulnerable.
Might be worth trying amazonfresh if they are in your area. Imagine they (might) have the biggest capacity, and yet wont be near the top on peoples list of suppliers. They can deliver this afternoon in London for example, Ocado is middle of next week.
It's worth pointing out these are still just intermittent crises of demand. There's no major problems of continuous supply so far, so switching between different online and street shops should find you the goods.
Worth discussing as an idea. We also need a plan to save small, local businesses like restaurants and pubs.
It is linked. Whilst offering universal basic income, allow businesses (or employees) to temporarily opt of out employment contracts with them being re-instated back to normal when the economy returns to "normal".
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
The student loan model of loans with income-contingent repayments is worth exploring imo. Lend businesses the money to be repaid if and when the borrowers are out of the woods.
It's worth pointing out these are still just intermittent crises of demand. There's no major problems of continuous supply so far, so switching between different online and street shops should find you the goods.
Sainsbury's in Dartmouth had no loo rolls yesterday. Down the hill, M&S had plenty.
I am wondering that. You don't get closer to someone else's face for longer in any other non-sexual context. Then again thry are probably for that reason pretty hygiene conscious.
I am wondering that. You don't get closer to someone else's face for longer in any other non-sexual context. Then again thry are probably for that reason pretty hygiene conscious.
Think I’ve cracked a tooth.., doesn’t hurt though, so I may leave it 🤔
Worth discussing as an idea. We also need a plan to save small, local businesses like restaurants and pubs.
It is linked. Whilst offering universal basic income, allow businesses (or employees) to temporarily opt of out employment contracts with them being re-instated back to normal when the economy returns to "normal".
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
The student loan model of loans with income-contingent repayments is worth exploring imo. Lend businesses the money to be repaid if and when the borrowers are out of the woods.
Too complex. Just suspend debt repayments of any kind for the duration.
Carnage again on the markets. Anyone buying is, in my opinion, foolhardy. We are nowhere NEAR bottoming out. In fact, I will make my prediction now that the FTSE100 will only finally bottom out below 2000, somewhere most likely between 6 to 9 months from now.
Helicopter money. Hong Kong gave every adult £1k (not sure if they have plans to repeat).
I could buy a new set of pedals.
Oi, Chancellor, no.
He'd only break them again. Along with himself.
Off mountain bikes for the time being - road only. I absolutely fucked myself when I recently cased that massive double (6m gap). Broken jaw, ribs and collar bone. The doctor in A&E was impressed/horrified that I was getting sick air and doing suicide no handers at age 52.
It's worth pointing out these are still just intermittent crises of demand. There's no major problems of continuous supply so far, so switching between different online and street shops should find you the goods.
Sainsbury's in Dartmouth had no loo rolls yesterday. Down the hill, M&S had plenty.
Worth discussing as an idea. We also need a plan to save small, local businesses like restaurants and pubs.
It is linked. Whilst offering universal basic income, allow businesses (or employees) to temporarily opt of out employment contracts with them being re-instated back to normal when the economy returns to "normal".
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
The student loan model of loans with income-contingent repayments is worth exploring imo. Lend businesses the money to be repaid if and when the borrowers are out of the woods.
Too complex. Just suspend debt repayments of any kind for the duration.
Perhaps but many companies will need to borrow additional funds to keep staff paid, for instance. In the longer term, this model should be examined for any similar relief from natural or economic disasters.
My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
It’s baffling that some companies are still calling their staff into the office. Home working should be near ubiquitous by now, for those that are able.
We're an SMT Food Manufacturer. We have just had a Senior Management Team meeting to discuss this very issue. We can look at banning all non-essential visitors, we can try and keep the two shift personnel completely separate. We can then split the supervisors / engineers across the two shifts and split the SMT & office department staff into split shifts.
Whatever we do, people will be coming to work. Its fine saying "work from home". We can't. A lot of people can't.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Helicopter money. Hong Kong gave every adult £1k (not sure if they have plans to repeat).
I could buy a new set of pedals.
Oi, Chancellor, no.
He'd only break them again. Along with himself.
Off mountain bikes for the time being - road only. I absolutely fucked myself when I recently cased that massive double (6m gap). Broken jaw, ribs and collar bone. The doctor in A&E was impressed/horrified that I was getting sick air and doing suicide no handers at age 52.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Do Barbers / Hairdressers come second to dentists in this respect?
Carnage again on the markets. Anyone buying is, in my opinion, foolhardy. We are nowhere NEAR bottoming out. In fact, I will make my prediction now that the FTSE100 will only finally bottom out below 2000, somewhere most likely between 6 to 9 months from now.
I think that's a sound view.
Just wondering whether to sell or keep my small holding of Carnival shares (bought for 'shareholder benefits' lol). They are now down 70% and worth £10 each. It's the only equity I'm left with.
Cannot see any route to recovery though so maybe time to bail out.
Bought this 2 years ago and have used it 3 or 4 x a week to supplement my workouts. It has been absolutely FANTASTIC. Never had the slightest issue with it. Brilliant el-cheapo but good machine.
I had that convo with my GP a week ago, and he said avoid routine checkups but take a considered decision on emergency or painful treatment.
But I am in the diabetes group.
If you decide no it may be 4 or 6 months. Risks from COVID-19 spread will be increasing rapidly in the UK over the next weeks - so potentially now may be the low risk point in your timescale.
It is true that the dentist is the closest professional to the mucus membranes where COVID gets in, but a mask plus gloves each time go some way to prevent outgoing transmission.
Helicopter money. Hong Kong gave every adult £1k (not sure if they have plans to repeat).
I could buy a new set of pedals.
Oi, Chancellor, no.
He'd only break them again. Along with himself.
Off mountain bikes for the time being - road only. I absolutely fucked myself when I recently cased that massive double (6m gap). Broken jaw, ribs and collar bone. The doctor in A&E was impressed/horrified that I was getting sick air and doing suicide no handers at age 52.
You haven't lived. Try getting a Boris bike from Paddington to Oxford Circus.
Corbyn and McDonnell are idiots. Demanding the government prop up businesses failing as a result of Coronavirus.
That will be most businesses then. They don't understand market forces. Idiots!
Is it me, or are Starmer, Nandy and Long-Bailey missing in action? I suppose at least they are not interfering in the management of the crisis, which I suppose is to be commended. A bit of support for Boris' plan might be helpful.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Do Barbers / Hairdressers come second to dentists in this respect?
I think dentists come a strong first since they work on mouths all day.
I'd imagine hairdressers would be fine with appropriate handwashing, but DYOR
My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
It’s baffling that some companies are still calling their staff into the office. Home working should be near ubiquitous by now, for those that are able.
Those companies are following the government advice. Others are being more proactive.
First Group, the transport operator, have HALVED in value this morning to 37p. It operates rail and bus services in the UK, US, Canada and Ireland - so is facing a massive drop in revenues as people self-isolate.
Restaurant Group, which runs Wagamama, Frankie & Benny’s and Chiquito, have slumped by 41% this morning.
Pub chains are also suffering extremely, with Mitchells & Butler down 32% and Marstons down 40%.
Question - for how long can operators like First Group (easyJet, BA etc) carry on with their market cap descending towards zero...? How many Big Name high street IFD and QSR sector outlets like Frankie and Bennys and Costa carry on with revenues crashing through the floor?
The need for the liquidity bomb to be detonated is real and urgent.
I am wondering that. You don't get closer to someone else's face for longer in any other non-sexual context. Then again thry are probably for that reason pretty hygiene conscious.
Think I’ve cracked a tooth.., doesn’t hurt though, so I may leave it 🤔
Worth discussing as an idea. We also need a plan to save small, local businesses like restaurants and pubs.
It is linked. Whilst offering universal basic income, allow businesses (or employees) to temporarily opt of out employment contracts with them being re-instated back to normal when the economy returns to "normal".
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
We've done strange things before when events dictate
Just think, if the opposition parties had held their nerve Johnson would still have a minority govt, this would have appeared before an election and the LOTO could offer to nationalise half the economy at fair market value ... which won't be a lot unless the Icelandic 'good news' story from yesterday is really true.
My view on the gym is that I'll stop going to the gym when I stop catching trains into central London and sharing a large office with hundreds of other people who have done exactly the same thing.
That day may be quite soon now.
Does covid 19 transmit in sweat? I assume it can and that seems a massive difference to me between the two scenarios. Some people on a treadmill are also probably exhaling small amounts of spittle similar to coughing.
Sweat doesn't contain any viruses.
In which case fears of the gym are probably overblown. On average they should be better ventilated than public transport or offices. Carrying surface wipes and hand gel probably sufficient.
Air conditioning is possibly suboptimal. Physical activity increases the volume and depth of inhalation and exhalation. Whilst not a sneeze or cough I would think it highly likely the volume of virus (if present in any visitors to the gym) in the moist expelled air was a potential aerosol effect, considerably increasing the possibility of infection. Also they are very popular with commuters, who have recently used public transport virus vectors and Mums with school children, who are a key item in the very sensible youth camp herd immunity project. I wouldn't go near a gym right now. You are dependent on all other users having rigorous standards with sanitiser and personal hygine.
COVID-19 will risk transmission for example when it gets on the gym kit or equipment (or doorhandles or taps etc), you touch it with your hands, and then touch your face where the mucus membranes are. Presumably similarly with gym mats and the floor.
I have a small bottle of surgical spirit or a damp by the same microfibre cloth in polybag for wiping things before touching. Or wear gloves and do not touch your face, then discard or swab your gloves.
I'm getting into the habit of wearing gloves and cleaning when back home. For me it seems to limit face touching.
First Group, the transport operator, have HALVED in value this morning to 37p. It operates rail and bus services in the UK, US, Canada and Ireland - so is facing a massive drop in revenues as people self-isolate.
Restaurant Group, which runs Wagamama, Frankie & Benny’s and Chiquito, have slumped by 41% this morning.
Pub chains are also suffering extremely, with Mitchells & Butler down 32% and Marstons down 40%.
Question - for how long can operators like First Group (easyJet, BA etc) carry on with their market cap descending towards zero...? How many Big Name high street IFD and QSR sector outlets like Frankie and Bennys and Costa carry on with revenues crashing through the floor?
The need for the liquidity bomb to be detonated is real and urgent.
I hope First Group don't go under just yet. I've still got four months to go on my season ticket.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Surely depends on a) whether you or any close relatives have underlying conditions and b) whether it is just a check-up (rather than an urgent need for dental treatment for a know issue).
Then if:
a) = yes and b) = yes - don't go. a) = yes and b) = no - go asap but take all the precautions you can. a) = no and b) = yes - don't go... check-ups are non-essential and could wait 6-12 mths. a) = no and b) = no - go.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Do Barbers / Hairdressers come second to dentists in this respect?
I am coming round to the idea that UK - EU transition should be extended for at least another 12 months and at that time a very different EU could be in the making. It does not make sense to no deal in this crisis.
First Group, the transport operator, have HALVED in value this morning to 37p. It operates rail and bus services in the UK, US, Canada and Ireland - so is facing a massive drop in revenues as people self-isolate.
Restaurant Group, which runs Wagamama, Frankie & Benny’s and Chiquito, have slumped by 41% this morning.
Pub chains are also suffering extremely, with Mitchells & Butler down 32% and Marstons down 40%.
Question - for how long can operators like First Group (easyJet, BA etc) carry on with their market cap descending towards zero...? How many Big Name high street IFD and QSR sector outlets like Frankie and Bennys and Costa carry on with revenues crashing through the floor?
The need for the liquidity bomb to be detonated is real and urgent.
One other thing we might need is protection of UK companies from opportunistic foreign takeovers. Usually these are welcomed
First Group, the transport operator, have HALVED in value this morning to 37p. It operates rail and bus services in the UK, US, Canada and Ireland - so is facing a massive drop in revenues as people self-isolate.
Restaurant Group, which runs Wagamama, Frankie & Benny’s and Chiquito, have slumped by 41% this morning.
Pub chains are also suffering extremely, with Mitchells & Butler down 32% and Marstons down 40%.
Question - for how long can operators like First Group (easyJet, BA etc) carry on with their market cap descending towards zero...? How many Big Name high street IFD and QSR sector outlets like Frankie and Bennys and Costa carry on with revenues crashing through the floor?
The need for the liquidity bomb to be detonated is real and urgent.
I hope First Group don't go under just yet. I've still got four months to go on my season ticket.
If assets are nationalised at fair market value, presumably so are the liabilities, so they'll be honoured.
Definitely. My wife has closed her practice and we are boltholing to our place in Brittany (where we have access to a vegetable patch and many firearms) this week.
Fucking hell. There are no Sainbury's deliveries in my area available at all. For the three week window they allow.
I am housebound due to caring responsibilities.
Selfish bastards who are fit and well are taking up slots needed by vulnerable.
It's absolutely ridiculous. I just got back from the giant Sainsbury's in Camden people have gone completely insane. I just needed to get a few things now that I'm back in the country, there were idiots buying 10 packs of loo roll and 20 bags of pasta etc...
I posted yesterday but was dismayed at the hysterical response I got. “Most Idiotic post in PB history” was one. I wont mention names, who called me idiot, but you know who you are, you are the people defending the governments herd immunity plan as good science that will give us one up on the rest of the world. Defending it even as some government ministers seem to be backing away from it. The same people prickly about criticism of the government response right now would much prefer at this time of national crisis the government got our unquestioning and slavish support. To shut down scrutiny or bully those questioning the response is the truly unpatriotic act.
Its you guys seeing everything through the attack rebut prism of party politics right now, not me. My point is aside from party politics: recognising true differences in approach to his pandemic are not scientific but cultural. Those countries people obey keep off the grass signs v those who don’t, culture is acting upon governments, steering their hands. Culture here in Britain is liberal. We are laisse faire capitalist. We have a strong lobby system at the heart of our democracy. But do you agree with me this is a danger for our government right now, not a blessing. That was the central gist of my posts yesterday.
Facts are, where countries around the world doing different response at different speeds, they cannot all hide behind “let the science decide” can they? So I am right in what I have been consistently posting (not just yesterday) it is cultural. Between the far east and here not so much the capitalist v Marxist model which is the only way many of you seem to think, but between an authoritarian element v the liberal. The creation and spread of this problem is down to free market attitude in culture, alive in the heart of China, live food markets, where I am sure someone will argue you can’t tell people how to live let them continue, to the air travel so it has spread more quickly into wealthier regions with both individuals “I’ve paid for this holiday I am going on it” to governments unwilling to act and close down air travel quickly enough.
Which brings us to Boris with a plan, a policy, to deliberately write off people in his response to this. I didn’t say this. I don’t believe it. But with a different response to the rest of the world and with “have to level with you, your loved ones are going to die” headline he launched his plan with, and the very unclear sometimes contradictory government messaging almost suggesting something they don’t want to admit, it can forever become known as Johnsons Genocide Plan if it doesn’t go well.
Still only 2 confirmed cases on the Isle of Wight (as of last night).
I’m assuming it’s out by a factor of ten (so probably 20 at present) but still presents a fairly low risk to my minibreak.
Still planning to go on Friday for 4 days and come back a week tomorrow, by which time the cases should be in the 100-200 box - unless the Government clamps down further.
It will be a lot of cooked meals in our self catering cottage but beach walks on the remoter beaches and country hikes will be lovely if the weather is nice.
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Do Barbers / Hairdressers come second to dentists in this respect?
They're probably being careful but it's high risk. I'd say avoid if possible, and if you have to go either make it asap, before the number of covid19 cases grows too much, or postpone it as far as possible to give everyone a chance to work out what the common threat vectors are and how to avoid them.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Do Barbers / Hairdressers come second to dentists in this respect?
What's the deadpool? Who succumbs in a perfect world?
Just guess at the sleb you think will succumb to Wuflu first. The winner will be lauded until our voices are hoarse while the losers will be derided with language characterised by violent sexual imagery. Imagine coming last...
Macron giving another announcement tonight at 8pm, almost certainly he will announce total confinement. Idiots have been out and about picnicking in the parks as if it was a Bank Holiday and not a quarantine.
I posted yesterday but was dismayed at the hysterical response I got. “Most Idiotic post in PB history” was one. I wont mention names, who called me idiot, but you know who you are, you are the people defending the governments herd immunity plan as good science that will give us one up on the rest of the world. Defending it even as some government ministers seem to be backing away from it. The same people prickly about criticism of the government response right now would much prefer at this time of national crisis the government got our unquestioning and slavish support. To shut down scrutiny or bully those questioning the response is the truly unpatriotic act.
Its you guys seeing everything through the attack rebut prism of party politics right now, not me. My point is aside from party politics: recognising true differences in approach to his pandemic are not scientific but cultural. Those countries people obey keep off the grass signs v those who don’t, culture is acting upon governments, steering their hands. Culture here in Britain is liberal. We are laisse faire capitalist. We have a strong lobby system at the heart of our democracy. But do you agree with me this is a danger for our government right now, not a blessing. That was the central gist of my posts yesterday.
Facts are, where countries around the world doing different response at different speeds, they cannot all hide behind “let the science decide” can they? So I am right in what I have been consistently posting (not just yesterday) it is cultural. Between the far east and here not so much the capitalist v Marxist model which is the only way many of you seem to think, but between an authoritarian element v the liberal. The creation and spread of this problem is down to free market attitude in culture, alive in the heart of China, live food markets, where I am sure someone will argue you can’t tell people how to live let them continue, to the air travel so it has spread more quickly into wealthier regions with both individuals “I’ve paid for this holiday I am going on it” to governments unwilling to act and close down air travel quickly enough.
Which brings us to Boris with a plan, a policy, to deliberately write off people in his response to this. I didn’t say this. I don’t believe it. But with a different response to the rest of the world and with “have to level with you, your loved ones are going to die” headline he launched his plan with, and the very unclear sometimes contradictory government messaging almost suggesting something they don’t want to admit, it can forever become known as Johnsons Genocide Plan if it doesn’t go well.
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We are doing better than Italy, but not by as much as the tweet would suggest
Some people prefer working in the office to working from home.
https://twitter.com/bianco222/status/1238830341630107660
That way business just need to cover committed non wage costs, not all committed costs. It will make a huge difference to companies.
He'd only break them again. Along with himself.
Physical activity increases the volume and depth of inhalation and exhalation. Whilst not a sneeze or cough I would think it highly likely the volume of virus (if present in any visitors to the gym) in the moist expelled air was a potential aerosol effect, considerably increasing the possibility of infection.
Also they are very popular with commuters, who have recently used public transport virus vectors and Mums with school children, who are a key item in the very sensible youth camp herd immunity project.
I wouldn't go near a gym right now.
You are dependent on all other users having rigorous standards with sanitiser and personal hygine.
I am housebound due to caring responsibilities.
Selfish bastards who are fit and well are taking up slots needed by vulnerable.
The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, "Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and wandered too,
But I ain't seen any candy.
I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore
And I'll be damned if I hike any more
To be buggered sore like a hobo's whore
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."
(See I was beaten to it on this post!)
A couple of bell weights at home, or an exercise bike for a few hundred quid if you have space, will do.
If you have a garden you can do star jumps and skipping and various other exercises in it as well.
I will miss swimming though. Still not sure about that. It’s the changing rooms I’m worried about, not the pool.
Now trying Ocado. There is a virtual queue system to cope with website demand
Carnage again on the markets. Anyone buying is, in my opinion, foolhardy. We are nowhere NEAR bottoming out. In fact, I will make my prediction now that the FTSE100 will only finally bottom out below 2000, somewhere most likely between 6 to 9 months from now.
Jeremy Clarkson.
How the world has changed in the space of a few weeks. I'd not hear of the “Uomo propone e Dio dispone” expression but a similar one is:
"How do you make God laugh? Tell Him about your plans for the future".
https://youtu.be/YvVonQ7LUJ0
My exercise bike cost about £60. But then, it's pretty basic. And I got it a while ago.
Whatever we do, people will be coming to work. Its fine saying "work from home". We can't. A lot of people can't.
Hope it works out, May the odds be ever in your favour
Just wondering whether to sell or keep my small holding of Carnival shares (bought for 'shareholder benefits' lol). They are now down 70% and worth £10 each. It's the only equity I'm left with.
Cannot see any route to recovery though so maybe time to bail out.
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But I am in the diabetes group.
If you decide no it may be 4 or 6 months. Risks from COVID-19 spread will be increasing rapidly in the UK over the next weeks - so potentially now may be the low risk point in your timescale.
It is true that the dentist is the closest professional to the mucus membranes where COVID gets in, but a mask plus gloves each time go some way to prevent outgoing transmission.
That will be most businesses then. They don't understand market forces. Idiots!
Is it me, or are Starmer, Nandy and Long-Bailey missing in action? I suppose at least they are not interfering in the management of the crisis, which I suppose is to be commended. A bit of support for Boris' plan might be helpful.
I'd imagine hairdressers would be fine with appropriate handwashing, but DYOR
Some people have to make their own decisions.
First Group, the transport operator, have HALVED in value this morning to 37p. It operates rail and bus services in the UK, US, Canada and Ireland - so is facing a massive drop in revenues as people self-isolate.
Restaurant Group, which runs Wagamama, Frankie & Benny’s and Chiquito, have slumped by 41% this morning.
Pub chains are also suffering extremely, with Mitchells & Butler down 32% and Marstons down 40%.
Question - for how long can operators like First Group (easyJet, BA etc) carry on with their market cap descending towards zero...? How many Big Name high street IFD and QSR sector outlets like Frankie and Bennys and Costa carry on with revenues crashing through the floor?
The need for the liquidity bomb to be detonated is real and urgent.
https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2016/07/25/The-extraordinary-story-of-nationalised-pubs-during-the-First-World-War
Just think, if the opposition parties had held their nerve Johnson would still have a minority govt, this would have appeared before an election and the LOTO could offer to nationalise half the economy at fair market value ... which won't be a lot unless the Icelandic 'good news' story from yesterday is really true.
I have a small bottle of surgical spirit or a damp by the same microfibre cloth in polybag for wiping things before touching. Or wear gloves and do not touch your face, then discard or swab your gloves.
I'm getting into the habit of wearing gloves and cleaning when back home. For me it seems to limit face touching.
a) whether you or any close relatives have underlying conditions and
b) whether it is just a check-up (rather than an urgent need for dental treatment for a know issue).
Then if:
a) = yes and b) = yes - don't go.
a) = yes and b) = no - go asap but take all the precautions you can.
a) = no and b) = yes - don't go... check-ups are non-essential and could wait 6-12 mths.
a) = no and b) = no - go.
Then again if hardly anybody is going to see me for the rest of the year I guess it doesn't matter.
@Dura_Ace David Mitchell
@tlg86 Jeremy Clarkson
That said I am interested to see if a Cheltenham-related spike emerges.
Its you guys seeing everything through the attack rebut prism of party politics right now, not me. My point is aside from party politics: recognising true differences in approach to his pandemic are not scientific but cultural. Those countries people obey keep off the grass signs v those who don’t, culture is acting upon governments, steering their hands. Culture here in Britain is liberal. We are laisse faire capitalist. We have a strong lobby system at the heart of our democracy. But do you agree with me this is a danger for our government right now, not a blessing. That was the central gist of my posts yesterday.
Facts are, where countries around the world doing different response at different speeds, they cannot all hide behind “let the science decide” can they? So I am right in what I have been consistently posting (not just yesterday) it is cultural. Between the far east and here not so much the capitalist v Marxist model which is the only way many of you seem to think, but between an authoritarian element v the liberal. The creation and spread of this problem is down to free market attitude in culture, alive in the heart of China, live food markets, where I am sure someone will argue you can’t tell people how to live let them continue, to the air travel so it has spread more quickly into wealthier regions with both individuals “I’ve paid for this holiday I am going on it” to governments unwilling to act and close down air travel quickly enough.
Which brings us to Boris with a plan, a policy, to deliberately write off people in his response to this. I didn’t say this. I don’t believe it. But with a different response to the rest of the world and with “have to level with you, your loved ones are going to die” headline he launched his plan with, and the very unclear sometimes contradictory government messaging almost suggesting something they don’t want to admit, it can forever become known as Johnsons Genocide Plan if it doesn’t go well.
Now, are we back together on the same page?
I’m assuming it’s out by a factor of ten (so probably 20 at present) but still presents a fairly low risk to my minibreak.
Still planning to go on Friday for 4 days and come back a week tomorrow, by which time the cases should be in the 100-200 box - unless the Government clamps down further.
It will be a lot of cooked meals in our self catering cottage but beach walks on the remoter beaches and country hikes will be lovely if the weather is nice.
The guy I go to only set up his shop recently, so hopefully he'll be OK without my bi-monthly chop.