229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Those aged 96 & over breathing a huge sigh of relief
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
Actually, I think that maybe an understatement
I mean, it's a betting site and it's a huge betting night tonight.
It's just rude. Unless the subject is pertinent to the betting.
Define irony:: A bunch of monarchists pontificating on PB about a nation that ELECTS its head of state.
It's a bit more than pontificating Sunil given that many of us have thousands riding on it.
And I don't think that many are monarchists either - republicans are significantly overrepresented on here - not that it matters. Because it's about the money.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
Was it China's fault that Trump initially stated that Corona virus was a hoax?
It was China's fault for creating Corona virus in the first place
I believe the quote is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Does anyone have a link for when the exit poll will be released?
There is no one exit poll, as multiple states are voting and multiple exit polls will emerge from when Maine stops voting at 12am our time to when California stops voting at 3am our time
Ahh ok, thank you.
I saw on reddit an exit poll would be released for the first states 9pm our time on reddit. Must be an error
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
I don't know but that's above 3% mortality rate, which might substantially rise if some of those currently infected go on to die.
The mortality rate is going to vary depending on who gets it.
An outbreak in an old people's home will bump the mortality rate up pretty quick.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Surely having a coal fire in the bedroom is a bigger fire hazard...
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
I will post about whatever I damn well like and it is quite clear that live meat markets and experiments on bats increased the risk of this virus emerging
Viruses emerge, its a fact of life. How or why the virus emerged is not the CDC's job.
Do you know what the CDC's job is?
How America contains virus outbreaks to protect Americans is up to America, of more importance to the world is reducing the risk of such virus outbreaks occurring in the first place
This discussion started with you farcically claiming Trump was doing an OK job with this outbreak.
Trump is responsible for the CDC not China. What is the CDC responsible for? Preventing evolutions of viruses, or controlling epidemics if they happen?
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
So their deaths were caused by the virus, otherwise they'd still be alive now. Bloody experts!
The term used by certain medical professionals in the US is that they were 'circling the drain' already.
Panic (buying) stations! Supermarkets are accused of encouraging hoarding by placing bulk-buy items like pasta, detergent and coffee at the pester-power spot near the tills
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Why didn’t the owners of 1-4, now milling about in the street, notice family 5 wasn’t there and sound the alarm?
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
Old people die from a combination of reasons. Most people die when they're 'old' in this sense. Young people die through bullets, drugs, and general big causes.
If old people were very likely to get infected with cv19 then they may die much more frequently just due to them being old rather than any effect from the virus.
Reliable numbers aren't available, and won't be until it's too late or otherwise.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
So their deaths were caused by the virus, otherwise they'd still be alive now. Bloody experts!
The term used by certain medical professionals in the US is that they were 'circling the drain' already.
We’re all in the bath, some of us nearer the plughole than others, I guess.
To try and being us back on topic, a question - I presume the states voting tonight will award delegates proportionally so it's not a winner takes all for the delegates?
I could imagine Sanders winning states like Vermont and Maine convincingly and carrying most of the delegates but presumably Texas and California have many more delegates and it may be Biden will do better where he needs to pick up large numbers of delegates so overall he will come back with a strong delegate haul even if Sanders wins more states.
As for Bloomberg, I suppose he wins Arkansas and picks up delegates elsewhere but he doesn't look like the "stop Sanders" candidate any more.
Yep, proportionally within state and district, but with a 15% bar. Biden's had quite the surge, which should minimise the CA damage, and give him a shot of winning Texas. If Sanders is only marginally ahead after tonight it's a great night for Biden.
I'm not sure if he'll even win Arkansas anymore. His support is ebbing.
Yes, some very convincing swings in all the polls, including the two national ones showing Biden 3 and 8 points ahead. I lumped on Biden yesterday and see no reason to reverse. Too soon to be sure, but Sanders seems to have had a high floor but a low ceiling, and his success was simply based on the multiple rivals.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Is it A) that 63-95 AND had underlying serious illnesses or: That people where ether between 63 and 95 OR had serious illness?
I don't know why that matters to me but just curios?
I will post about whatever I damn well like and it is quite clear that live meat markets and experiments on bats increased the risk of this virus emerging
Viruses emerge, its a fact of life. How or why the virus emerged is not the CDC's job.
Do you know what the CDC's job is?
How America contains virus outbreaks to protect Americans is up to America, of more importance to the world is reducing the risk of such virus outbreaks occurring in the first place
This discussion started with you farcically claiming Trump was doing an OK job with this outbreak.
Trump is responsible for the CDC not China. What is the CDC responsible for? Preventing evolutions of viruses, or controlling epidemics if they happen?
I should give up pal - you're flogging a dead horse trying to persuade @HYUFD that he might be wrong.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Surely having a coal fire in the bedroom is a bigger fire hazard...
Meanwhile, Trump tweets about the perils of smoking in bed....
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
I did mention before that I thought Italians were quite heavy smokers but I have no proof of that. However, it would account for respiratory issues
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
The infection rate should be similar though?
No, I don't think so. There must be something systemically different between the two countries which have a similar population size (we're actually bigger) to explain such a consistent and dramatic difference.
Maybe the Italians don't wash their hands thus spreading the flu more? And thus COVID more?
President Trump said he’s getting ready to watch the results of the Super Tuesday races unfold.
“It’s going to be a very interesting evening of television. I think it’s really going to be something,” Trump told reporters after touring a vaccine lab at the National Institutions of Health. He noted that it will likely be a late night with some races on the west coast.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
In that universe the folks at no. 5 froze to death during the night.
I will post about whatever I damn well like and it is quite clear that live meat markets and experiments on bats increased the risk of this virus emerging
Viruses emerge, its a fact of life. How or why the virus emerged is not the CDC's job.
Do you know what the CDC's job is?
How America contains virus outbreaks to protect Americans is up to America, of more importance to the world is reducing the risk of such virus outbreaks occurring in the first place
This discussion started with you farcically claiming Trump was doing an OK job with this outbreak.
Trump is responsible for the CDC not China. What is the CDC responsible for? Preventing evolutions of viruses, or controlling epidemics if they happen?
I should give up pal - you're flogging a dead horse trying to persuade @HYUFD that he might be wrong.
I know, second day in a row too. More fool me for bothering to engage.
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
So their deaths were caused by the virus, otherwise they'd still be alive now. Bloody experts!
The term used by certain medical professionals in the US is that they were 'circling the drain' already.
We’re all in the bath, some of us nearer the plughole than others, I guess.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Is it A) that 63-95 AND had underlying serious illnesses or: That people where ether between 63 and 95 OR had serious illness?
I don't know why that matters to me but just curios?
When there were 17 dead the Italian doctor said he thought 14 had died “with the virus” and only 3 “because of it”
Not to sound all eadric but I think more Americans may now die from this illness than Chinese before its over.
Wildly unlikely given how many more Chinese people there are than Americans.
This will though just become just another flu called 'covid19' and be forgotten. Behind the scenes there will be more targeted stuff, but its the same big picture.
China is willing to enforce quarantine and is doing containment in a way the US isn't bothering.
This all happened in China in one province. Its already in 12 states now in America and they've done zero containment.
Sure, but China will fail in containment if anyone big fails. China has, quite amazingly, perhaps contained this. The rest of the world won't do so though.
China caused it in the first place, parts of the world like Singapore and South Korea are also containing it better than China
The origin is certainly China. There, some people did do things that posed a health risk somewhat above the norm. It'd be stupid to blame China in this.
No, it would be stupid not to blame China in this
No. It is stupid not to accept Trump is putting his citizens at risk of their lives
Until about ten days ago Trump was calling the Virus a hoax...then it hit the markets...
The poor preparation by the US to manage the epidemic may prove to be one of the worst policy decisions in the history of mankind
Trump doesn't control every level of government in the USA.
I'd be interested to know what, for example, the Governors of California and Washington have been doing.
A fragmented, business oriented and insurance based health system which people cannot afford....and a general mistrust of Govt will undermine most attempts to mitigate the worst excesses of this pandemic....
Conavirus could be horrendous for the US...it's been horrendous for China..and that is just the start
And a lack of leadership at all levels.
How many times have Biden, Sanders et al mentioned coronovirus and suggested constructive policies ?
That is the job of an opposition, but there is not really an opposition in the US system. The aim for Sanders/Biden or maybe another candidate is to get elected in November, and shooting too early in on a topic which is literally developing by the day 7 Months before the election is just stupid.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
I did mention before that I thought Italians were quite heavy smokers but I have no proof of that. However, it would account for respiratory issues
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
Our central heating is pretty good, its one thing going for us. We don't have air conditioning in the summer when it gets exceptionally hot, but we can keep our homes warm and dry in the winter.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
But our cases are so few as to be essentially random - or indeed not random but focused on people active enough to be out and about in contact with the handful of primary contacts.
In Italy most of the (many more) cases are in two small areas that are suffering an epidemic, enabling the virus to zero in on the more elderly and vulnerable members of those communities. Plus Italy has one of the most aged demographic profiles in the world.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Today I saw my first evidence of very modest panic buying in London. M&S in my affluent part of north London had entirely sold out of wholegrain Basmati with wild rice.
lol
True story. The quinoa eaters are quietly panicking.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
I guess being brutal about this a good proportion of the over 70 Italian victims will have asked for DNR (do not resuscitate) order or similar... because that's what older people with underlying health issues often do.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
I did mention before that I thought Italians were quite heavy smokers but I have no proof of that. However, it would account for respiratory issues
Birmingham City last lost a match on 1 Jan, albeit quite a lot of draws, and are good going forward. Leicester have had poor form over the same period.
Birmingham at 14.5 on Bfx is way too long, 3-4 would look about right to me.
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interestingly today when I arrived at my daughter's nursery to pick her up there was a new addition of an alcohol santiser dispenser at the front door of the nursery asking people to sanitise their hands before they come in to prevent the spread of germs which wasn't there this morning or before.
A good addition and not crazy given the age group the nursery is looking after, you don't want a viral outbreak with babies without good immunity and toddlers present. But it made me wonder why the dispenser was never there before today.
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interesting. Our general recommendation is always wash in preference to hand sanitizing, as the latter removes nothing and can only sanitize fomites to the extent the sanitizer penetrates the surface.
By this logic, the more visibly contaminated, the stronger the indication for use of soap and water.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
But our cases are so few as to be essentially random - or indeed not random but focused on people active enough to be out and about in contact with the handful of primary contacts.
In Italy most of the (many more) cases are in two small areas that are suffering an epidemic, enabling the virus to zero in on the more elderly and vulnerable members of those communities. Plus Italy has one of the most aged demographic profiles in the world.
That's because they live so long. About 8 months longer than us on average. I was querying the figure for flu deaths, not Covid-19, which seems incredibly high. On Covid 19 they seem to have been caught very badly napping but then in fairness worked hard and well to get on top of things. A lot of deaths today though.
Its exactly what we've done in this country. Foreigners who don't get free access to the NHS are all entitled to free treatment and testing for coronavirus.
Wildly unlikely given how many more Chinese people there are than Americans.
This will though just become just another flu called 'covid19' and be forgotten. Behind the scenes there will be more targeted stuff, but its the same big picture.
China is willing to enforce quarantine and is doing containment in a way the US isn't bothering.
This all happened in China in one province. Its already in 12 states now in America and they've done zero containment.
Sure, but China will fail in containment if anyone big fails. China has, quite amazingly, perhaps contained this. The rest of the world won't do so though.
China caused it in the first place, parts of the world like Singapore and South Korea are also containing it better than China
The origin is certainly China. There, some people did do things that posed a health risk somewhat above the norm. It'd be stupid to blame China in this.
No, it would be stupid not to blame China in this
No. It is stupid not to accept Trump is putting his citizens at risk of their lives
Until about ten days ago Trump was calling the Virus a hoax...then it hit the markets...
The poor preparation by the US to manage the epidemic may prove to be one of the worst policy decisions in the history of mankind
Trump doesn't control every level of government in the USA.
I'd be interested to know what, for example, the Governors of California and Washington have been doing.
A fragmented, business oriented and insurance based health system which people cannot afford....and a general mistrust of Govt will undermine most attempts to mitigate the worst excesses of this pandemic....
Conavirus could be horrendous for the US...it's been horrendous for China..and that is just the start
I think it'll be bad.
It's not sure though tha
Who knows.
Glad you broached this, not me!
If coronavirus kills off a shagload of old people and severely reduces property prices etc etc it may well be a good thing..... in the very long term.
Also good for the environment, pangolins, and crowding in Venice.
Seems unfair that you should cut off my thoughts given the tricky terrain!
"It's not sure though tha" makes me seem like a blithering idiot. I can do that with no help whatsoever from you thanks.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
Was it China's fault that Trump initially stated that Corona virus was a hoax?
It was China's fault for creating Corona virus in the first place
I believe the quote is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
Be as patronising and pompous as usual but the fact remains it was China which allowed live animal meat markets to go effectively unregulated and it was China which allowed dangerous live animal testing which allowed the virus to fester
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interesting. Our general recommendation is always wash in preference to hand sanitizing, as the latter removes nothing and can only sanitize fomites to the extent the sanitizer penetrates the surface.
By this logic, the more visibly contaminated, the stronger the indication for use of soap and water.
I think fomites* are a major cause of transmission. That would seem to explain the transmission at churches etc.
I think there is a lot of poor handwashing technique, so alcohol rubs are quite equivalent. Indeed when I worked in Africa we wouldn't change gloves, but would rinse our gloves hands in surgical spirit. We had a very low infection rate, but were most interested in bacteria, and HIV.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
The Guardian says that the 79 deaths were all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses.
Is that correct ?
Average age of the Italian dead (up to yesterday) was 80. You can see why that leading Italian doctor said that only a minority of the deaths were actually caused by the virus, the majority simply accelerated (my word).
Old people die from a combination of reasons. Most people die when they're 'old' in this sense. Young people die through bullets, drugs, and general big causes.
If old people were very likely to get infected with cv19 then they may die much more frequently just due to them being old rather than any effect from the virus.
Reliable numbers aren't available, and won't be until it's too late or otherwise.
This is where the QUALY measure (quality of life years) comes in. Some 80 year olds will have 10 years of reasonable quality of life left in them, others will be bed ridden with a chronic diesease in a hospital before dying in september.
If coronageddon is shuffling the first group off the mortal coil then the loss in QUALYs is high, if it only reaches the second group then the loss in QUALYs is low.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Also north Italy - the Veneto and Lombardy - is notoriously dank and humid in winter. And this virus likes that.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
The flat parts of north Italy are renowned for the thick winter fog that can hang over the region for days. However I thought flu was supposed to do better in cool dry environments?
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interesting. Our general recommendation is always wash in preference to hand sanitizing, as the latter removes nothing and can only sanitize fomites to the extent the sanitizer penetrates the surface.
By this logic, the more visibly contaminated, the stronger the indication for use of soap and water.
I think fomites* are a major cause of transmission. That would seem to explain the transmission at churches etc.
I think there is a lot of poor handwashing technique, so alcohol rubs are quite equivalent. Indeed when I worked in Africa we wouldn't change gloves, but would rinse our gloves hands in surgical spirit. We had a very low infection rate, but were most interested in bacteria, and HIV.
*contaminated objects
I would have thought surgical spirit would seriously degrade surgical gloves.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Also north Italy - the Veneto and Lombardy - is notoriously dank and humid in winter. And this virus likes that.
No - higher humidity lowers flu transmission. (Edit/ and no one yet knows what this particular virus likes)
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
The precautionary principle would have nipped this in the bud.
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Mate, there is no other subject.
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
If you made the slightest link between the democratic primaries (and remember tonight is the biggest bunch of them in this presidential cycle for four years - hence "Super Tuesday") and the betting opportunities then I might be more forgiving.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
A better analogy for your final paragraph would be that you're a poster who goes to the Grand National, grabs a megaphone and then drowns out all conversation amongst all other spectators on the grandstand by shouting about how the bizarre radioactive tornado will wipe out all horses for all time and how we'd be best burning all our wallets and just throwing ourselves in front of them now so we can get it over with.
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"
China is willing to enforce quarantine and is doing containment in a way the US isn't bothering.
This all happened in China in one province. Its already in 12 states now in America and they've done zero containment.
Sure, but China will faiworld won't do so though.
China caused it in the first place, parts of the world like Singapore and South Korea are also containing it better than China
The origin is certainle norm. It'd be stupid to blame China in this.
No, it would be stupid not to blame China in this
No. It is stupid not to accept Trump is putting his citizens at risk of their lives
Until about ten days ago Trump was calling the Virus a hoax...then it hit the markets...
The poor preparation by the US to manage the epidemic may prove to be one of the worst policy decisions in the history of mankind
Trump doesn't control every level of government in the USA.
I'd be interested to know what, for example, the Governors of California and Washington have been doing.
A fragmentndous for the US...it's been horrendous for China..and that is just the start
I think it'll be bad.
It's not sure though tha
Who knows.
Glad you broached this, not me!
If coronavirus kills off a shagload of old people and severely reduces property prices etc etc it may well be a good thing..... in the very long term.
Also good for the environment, pangolins, and crowding in Venice.
Seems unfair that you should cut off my thoughts given the tricky terrain!
"It's not sure though tha" makes me seem like a blithering idiot. I can do that with no help whatsoever from you thanks.
Apols!
But your point is good.
My wife is very much of the Gaia persuasion. And I discern some sense in what she says. This is the planet readjusting. Giving humanity a lesson, and making sure we stop f*cking around with pollution, animal welfare, plastics, and so on.
It's a good perspective to use, mentally. This is the cold sharp shock. This is the Earth saying: Wise Up or you ALL die.
So it will be the end of your travelling will it ?
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interestingly today when I arrived at my daughter's nursery to pick her up there was a new addition of an alcohol santiser dispenser at the front door of the nursery asking people to sanitise their hands before they come in to prevent the spread of germs which wasn't there this morning or before.
A good addition and not crazy given the age group the nursery is looking after, you don't want a viral outbreak with babies without good immunity and toddlers present. But it made me wonder why the dispenser was never there before today.
So far as we can tell the kids are not really at risk but that does not mean that they couldn't carry it and infect their families. Inter-familial infection was by far the most common in China. We have had these dispensers in Hospitals for some time now, ever since HAIs became a serious issue. It is surprising that the practice in places other than hospitals has not been reviewed.
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Mate, there is no other subject.
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
If you made the slightest link between the democratic primaries (and remember tonight is the biggest bunch of them in this presidential cycle for four years - hence "Super Tuesday") and the betting opportunities then I might be more forgiving.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
A better analogy for your final paragraph would be that you're a poster who goes to the Grand National, grabs a megaphone and then drowns out all conversation amongst all other spectators on the grandstand by shouting about how the bizarre radioactive tornado will wipe out all horses for all time and how we'd be best burning all our wallets and just throwing ourselves in front of them now so we can get it over with.
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
It is an enveloped RNA virus. Isn't soap all your need? A lot less than £25.
Soap is best, but alcohol hand rubs are good when on the move. Indeed our infection Prevention team favour them for general use except on invisibly contaminated hands.
Interesting. Our general recommendation is always wash in preference to hand sanitizing, as the latter removes nothing and can only sanitize fomites to the extent the sanitizer penetrates the surface.
By this logic, the more visibly contaminated, the stronger the indication for use of soap and water.
I think fomites* are a major cause of transmission. That would seem to explain the transmission at churches etc.
I think there is a lot of poor handwashing technique, so alcohol rubs are quite equivalent. Indeed when I worked in Africa we wouldn't change gloves, but would rinse our gloves hands in surgical spirit. We had a very low infection rate, but were most interested in bacteria, and HIV.
*contaminated objects
Thanks for the response. And yes, we spend a lot of time teach people how to wash their hands, and how to take gloves off without infecting themselves.
I have my stockpile of nitriles, soap, disinfectant, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, DayQuil/NyQuil and Sudafed. Working on the animal feed now. Got 10 tons of hay delivered today. Guess food for us is next. Fortunately (@eadric) around here the quinoa is the last thing that will fly off the supermarket shelves.
Birmingham City last lost a match on 1 Jan, albeit quite a lot of draws, and are good going forward. Leicester have had poor form over the same period.
Birmingham at 14.5 on Bfx is way too long, 3-4 would look about right to me.
Thanks - I agree. Just had a nibble at 44 with BF Leicester 0 , Birmingham 1.
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Mate, there is no other subject.
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
If you made the slightest link between the democratic primaries (and remember tonight is the biggest bunch of them in this presidential cycle for four years - hence "Super Tuesday") and the betting opportunities then I might be more forgiving.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
A better analogy for your final paragraph would be that you're a poster who goes to the Grand National, grabs a megaphone and then drowns out all conversation amongst all other spectators on the grandstand by shouting about how the bizarre radioactive tornado will wipe out all horses for all time and how we'd be best burning all our wallets and just throwing ourselves in front of them now so we can get it over with.
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"
I see you are still in "this is just the flu" stage. Good luck.
Birmingham City last lost a match on 1 Jan, albeit quite a lot of draws, and are good going forward. Leicester have had poor form over the same period.
Birmingham at 14.5 on Bfx is way too long, 3-4 would look about right to me.
Thanks - I agree. Just had a nibble at 44 with BF Leicester 0 , Birmingham 1.
I think Leicester will score, Birmingham do not keep many clean sheets.
I am hoping to enjoy tommorow night, and to help relegate the Villa on Monday before the matches get played behind closed doors.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Yes but not as cold or damp as here. And our heating/ventilation isn't great. 4x the death rate? I can't help wondering how many of those deaths would have been classified in this country.
Our central heating is pretty good, its one thing going for us. We don't have air conditioning in the summer when it gets exceptionally hot, but we can keep our homes warm and dry in the winter.
The humidity in British houses is high in winter, which is not good for respiritary illnesses.
The origin is certainle norm. It'd be stupid to blame China in this.
No, it would be stupid not to blame China in this
No. It is stupid not to accept Trump is putting his citizens at risk of their lives
Until about ten days ago Trump was calling the Virus a hoax...then it hit the markets...
The poor preparation by the US to manage the epidemic may prove to be one of the worst policy decisions in the history of mankind
Trump doesn't control every level of government in the USA.
I'd be interested to know what, for example, the Governors of California and Washington have been doing.
A fragmentndous for the US...it's been horrendous for China..and that is just the start
I think it'll be bad.
It's not sure though tha
Who knows.
Glad you broached this, not me!
If coronavirus kills off a shagload of old people and severely reduces property prices etc etc it may well be a good thing..... in the very long term.
Also good for the environment, pangolins, and crowding in Venice.
Seems unfair that you should cut off my thoughts given the tricky terrain!
"It's not sure though tha" makes me seem like a blithering idiot. I can do that with no help whatsoever from you thanks.
Apols!
But your point is good.
My wife is very much of the Gaia persuasion. And I discern some sense in what she says. This is the planet readjusting. Giving humanity a lesson, and making sure we stop f*cking around with pollution, animal welfare, plastics, and so on.
It's a good perspective to use, mentally. This is the cold sharp shock. This is the Earth saying: Wise Up or you ALL die.
If there is any truth in this Gaia needs to pull a finger out. So far in about 3 months 3,000 people have died. In the meantime the human population increases by about 250,000 a day: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Seems unfair that you should cut off my thoughts given the tricky terrain!
"It's not sure though tha" makes me seem like a blithering idiot. I can do that with no help whatsoever from you thanks.
Apols!
But your point is good.
My wife is very much of the Gaia persuasion. And I discern some sense in what she says. This is the planet readjusting. Giving humanity a lesson, and making sure we stop f*cking around with pollution, animal welfare, plastics, and so on.
It's a good perspective to use, mentally. This is the cold sharp shock. This is the Earth saying: Wise Up or you ALL die.
The Earth doesn't care. We give ourselves the lesson, and the Earth does it's thing. Quite why that thing should be so enormously tolerant is either very lucky or something bigger. (It's mostly the basic very lucky meme though)
We can do better, and as such it seems wise to do that better, and do that better well. (sorry!)
Watched both the ITV and BBC 10 O'Clock News leads.
So bleak.
Let's hope they don't cause undue panic.
Interesting that ITV made quite a big thing of the WHO updated mortality rate to 3.4%, whereas BBC didn't mention it and did their 'Aunty Act' of saying it's 1%.
CNN: For now, Michael Bloomberg himself and his advisers are not publicly entertaining the idea of this being their last election night.
It’s why he’s spending all day in Florida, where the election isn’t until March 17. We also heard this morning these blunt words from Bloomberg himself: “I have no intention of dropping out. We’re in it to win it,” he said in Miami.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Also north Italy - the Veneto and Lombardy - is notoriously dank and humid in winter. And this virus likes that.
Nice story - surely no evidence though?
Let's hope it doesn't like the warm.
No, there is some tentative evidence, from a German study I lined days ago.
Sadly, some experts think the sun won't necessarily save us:
NB: this Harvard guy is one of the early warners I've been watching for a month. He sensed the danger and sounded the klaxon, for a long time he was ignored.
Marc is certainly well plugged into all the national preparedness and policy circles in DC on biological issues. He was prominent in the gain-of-function debate here.
229 in intensive care 1034 in hospital 1000 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.326 cases in Lombardia, 398 in Emilia Romagna, 297 in Veneto, 56 in Piemonte, 59 Marche, 30 in Campania, 19 in Liguria, 18 in Toscana, 11 Lazio, 13 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 5 in Sicilia, 6 in Puglia, 6 in Abruzzo, 4 in Trentino, 3 in Molise, 8 in Umbria, 1 each in Bolzano, in Calabria, in Sardegna e Basilicata
Italy is seriously close to matching China in number of dead today. What on earth is going on?
Italy is very vulnerable to flu outbreaks. 17,000 Italians die per annum from the flu (vs 4000 typically in the UK).
Weird. Is it a classification thing amongst doctors or something? I would have thought that their climate ought to have made them less vulnerable than ours.
Italy is pretty cold and damp in winter, and little central heating.
Also north Italy - the Veneto and Lombardy - is notoriously dank and humid in winter. And this virus likes that.
No - higher humidity lowers flu transmission. (Edit/ and no one yet knows what this particular virus likes)
This is the German study:
"“Low temperature and high air humidity further increase their lifespan,” said Kampf."
Am I almost the only PBer that links to hard data?
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Mate, there is no other subject.
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
If you made the slightest link between the democratic primaries (and remember tonight is the biggest bunch of them in this presidential cycle for four years - hence "Super Tuesday") and the betting opportunities then I might be more forgiving.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
A better analogy for your final paragraph would be that you're a poster who goes to the Grand National, grabs a megaphone and then drowns out all conversation amongst all other spectators on the grandstand by shouting about how the bizarre radioactive tornado will wipe out all horses for all time and how we'd be best burning all our wallets and just throwing ourselves in front of them now so we can get it over with.
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"
I see you are still in "this is just the flu" stage. Good luck.
Normalcy bias.
Sad but he will come round.
I'm very nearly done with them. Let them f*cking die. Frankly.
Not sure the virus cares whether it kills those with normalcy bias or the rest.
From a purely economic view, a 20% reduction in the number of over 75s would enhance the fiscal prospects of the next 50 years greatly. The massive pensions spend would fall, the amount spent on care would fall, less strain on the NHS etc. From a cold objective view this virus might not be all bad.
On the flip side, every death is someone losing their parent, many someones losing their grandparents etc. Add on top of that the massive psychological trauma that such an event would cause.
I disagree with almost everything Mr Meeks says, but his this is looking like a divider in history, a true before/after event like 9/11 is looking more likely by the day.
But I am enormously grateful that our Health minister and public health bodies look to be tackling it in a world leading manner, so far.
On your street are five houses. In House Number One, an electric blanket catches fire. All five houses burn down.
In Houses One through Four, the residents fitted smoke detectors. The consequence of which is that - although the houses were burnt down - everyone survived.
In House Five, the owner thought fitting smoke alarms was "fear mongering". When his house burnt down, his wife and child died.
Does the owner of House Five have any responsibility for the deaths, or does it all fall on House One?
Ultimately it falls on House One as he caused the fire and used an electric blanket in a dangerous condition.
Of course it might have been advisable for House 5 to buy a smoke alarm to limit the damage but that does not absolve the owner of House 1 of ultimate responsibility
What about the builder who built the houses so close together and of combustible material? What about the manufacturer of the electric blanket. Or the fire service - was their response up to scratch? Or the politicians and media that put such silly notions into the head of Mr no. 5?
You are way too quick to jump to conclusions.
It is actually the fault of the electric blanket manufacturer for making such a rubbish product.
it is actually the fault of George Westinghouse for developing the high voltage AC electricity system in the 1880's, allowing the development of national electricit grids. Without this the electric blanket would never have been invented, and the poor residents at No.5 would never have died.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
Looking at this outbreak from a maths background, two concepts spring to mind: 1) exponential growth, which had been well discussed; and 2) catastrophe theory, which has been less so.
Catastrophe theory is essentially the study of what happens in non-linear systems where a small change causes a sudden very large change (think a landslide), where it is often highly unpredictable in advance what the breaking point will be.
The relevance here is the impact on healthcare systems and society. This 'may' only be 10x worse than normal flu in isolation, but that places no limit on what the impact will be in certain countries when they reach breaking point. Some countries (hopefully the UK from our initial response) may only see a bad flu season plus slowing economic growth, but others (see Iran...) won't be so lucky.
At least half the comments on this thread should have been flagged for going off-topic so soon.
I am sympathetic to your argument, as you know, but facts are facts. This POTUS election is taking place in a context of a full-on plague, which might, very conceivably, kill millions of Americans and hospitalise millions of others.
These are not fanciful figures, they are reasonable scenarios.
So whenever you start talking about the POTUS elex you will be talking about the virus within about 3 minutes, not least coz it could actually kill half the candidates. Cf Iran's parliament
A fanatic: one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Mate, there is no other subject.
Please explain to me how you could debate the betting opportunities around the Dem primaries WITHOUT referencing a massive global menace which presages intense global death.
Answer, you can't.
It would be like discussing the Grand National betting opportunities without mentioning the fact the race will take place during a bizarre radioactive tornado, which attacks certain kinds of horses.
If you made the slightest link between the democratic primaries (and remember tonight is the biggest bunch of them in this presidential cycle for four years - hence "Super Tuesday") and the betting opportunities then I might be more forgiving.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
I see you are still in "this is just the flu" stage. Good luck.
Normalcy bias.
Sad but he will come round.
I'm very nearly done with them. Let them f*cking die. Frankly.
Not sure the virus cares whether it kills those with normalcy bias or the rest.
If we're going all anthropomorphic, what does the virus get out of killing its host? It's something which has always baffled me.
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And I don't think that many are monarchists either - republicans are significantly overrepresented on here - not that it matters. Because it's about the money.
Other than that good point.
Maybe I'll just go back to exchanging private messages on vanilla with serious gamblers.
Though PBers may be interested in this little recipe for hand sanitizer.
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-prevention-how-to-make-hand-sanitizer-at-home.html
For about £25 on Amazon, enough ingredients to make a couple of litres, and delivery for the weekend.
I saw on reddit an exit poll would be released for the first states 9pm our time on reddit. Must be an error
And that's what most concerns me about the UK. As for America ... this could bring it to its knees.
An outbreak in an old people's home will bump the mortality rate up pretty quick.
Trump is responsible for the CDC not China. What is the CDC responsible for? Preventing evolutions of viruses, or controlling epidemics if they happen?
DMail:
Panic (buying) stations! Supermarkets are accused of encouraging hoarding by placing bulk-buy items like pasta, detergent and coffee at the pester-power spot near the tills
If old people were very likely to get infected with cv19 then they may die much more frequently just due to them being old rather than any effect from the virus.
Reliable numbers aren't available, and won't be until it's too late or otherwise.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/politics/bernie-sanders-super-tuesday-demographics/index.html
A) that 63-95 AND had underlying serious illnesses or:
I don't know why that matters to me but just curios?
Maybe the Italians don't wash their hands thus spreading the flu more? And thus COVID more?
“It’s going to be a very interesting evening of television. I think it’s really going to be something,” Trump told reporters after touring a vaccine lab at the National Institutions of Health. He noted that it will likely be a late night with some races on the west coast.
NPR
Order it via work and and get it put down as a work expense.
Clearly, you're on the right track with your root cause analysis. But have you gone back quite far enough? Is Mr Faraday blameless?
In Italy most of the (many more) cases are in two small areas that are suffering an epidemic, enabling the virus to zero in on the more elderly and vulnerable members of those communities. Plus Italy has one of the most aged demographic profiles in the world.
Birmingham City last lost a match on 1 Jan, albeit quite a lot of draws, and are good going forward. Leicester have had poor form over the same period.
Birmingham at 14.5 on Bfx is way too long, 3-4 would look about right to me.
A good addition and not crazy given the age group the nursery is looking after, you don't want a viral outbreak with babies without good immunity and toddlers present. But it made me wonder why the dispenser was never there before today.
By this logic, the more visibly contaminated, the stronger the indication for use of soap and water.
"It's not sure though tha" makes me seem like a blithering idiot. I can do that with no help whatsoever from you thanks.
I think there is a lot of poor handwashing technique, so alcohol rubs are quite equivalent. Indeed when I worked in Africa we wouldn't change gloves, but would rinse our gloves hands in surgical spirit. We had a very low infection rate, but were most interested in bacteria, and HIV.
*contaminated objects
If coronageddon is shuffling the first group off the mortal coil then the loss in QUALYs is high, if it only reaches the second group then the loss in QUALYs is low.
Let's hope it doesn't like the warm.
But you don't. You just tediously wank out apocalyptical posts 24/7.
A better analogy for your final paragraph would be that you're a poster who goes to the Grand National, grabs a megaphone and then drowns out all conversation amongst all other spectators on the grandstand by shouting about how the bizarre radioactive tornado will wipe out all horses for all time and how we'd be best burning all our wallets and just throwing ourselves in front of them now so we can get it over with.
Then, when everyone groans, and then one horse subsequently falls over and needs to be put down, you shout even louder: "ah, you see - I told you I was right! It was just a worst case scenario!!"
I have my stockpile of nitriles, soap, disinfectant, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, DayQuil/NyQuil and Sudafed. Working on the animal feed now. Got 10 tons of hay delivered today. Guess food for us is next. Fortunately (@eadric) around here the quinoa is the last thing that will fly off the supermarket shelves.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1234963698101424129
So bleak.
Sad but he will come round.
I am hoping to enjoy tommorow night, and to help relegate the Villa on Monday before the matches get played behind closed doors.
We can do better, and as such it seems wise to do that better, and do that better well. (sorry!)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/turkey-shoots-plane-syrian-forces-retake-town-200303135102188.html
It’s why he’s spending all day in Florida, where the election isn’t until March 17. We also heard this morning these blunt words from Bloomberg himself: “I have no intention of dropping out. We’re in it to win it,” he said in Miami.
On the flip side, every death is someone losing their parent, many someones losing their grandparents etc. Add on top of that the massive psychological trauma that such an event would cause.
I disagree with almost everything Mr Meeks says, but his this is looking like a divider in history, a true before/after event like 9/11 is looking more likely by the day.
But I am enormously grateful that our Health minister and public health bodies look to be tackling it in a world leading manner, so far.
Catastrophe theory is essentially the study of what happens in non-linear systems where a small change causes a sudden very large change (think a landslide), where it is often highly unpredictable in advance what the breaking point will be.
The relevance here is the impact on healthcare systems and society. This 'may' only be 10x worse than normal flu in isolation, but that places no limit on what the impact will be in certain countries when they reach breaking point. Some countries (hopefully the UK from our initial response) may only see a bad flu season plus slowing economic growth, but others (see Iran...) won't be so lucky.