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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
    Lets not overblow it. Even five years ago Biden was awful, that's why he didn't run when he had the incumbency of being Veep.
    He didn’t run because his kid died.
    And Obama talked him out of it (reportedly)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    Pulpstar said:

    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.

    3rd in 11 months, you can be forgiven for being surprised. May they form a government this time at least.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.

    Surely - given Covid-19 - the real question is whether the Presidential election is Sanders' VP vs Pence or Biden's VP vs Pence.

    What happens if all 4 on the ticket go down ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Nigelb said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
    Lets not overblow it. Even five years ago Biden was awful, that's why he didn't run when he had the incumbency of being Veep.
    He didn’t run because his kid died.
    And Obama talked him out of it (reportedly)
    Sympathies for the kid but that's not all there is.

    I wonder why Obama talked him out of it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Just fine.
    He’ll spout nonsense back at Trump’s nonsense.

    Difference is that Biden will have moments of lucidity. And a VP who doesn’t give you the creeps.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Scott_xP said:
    Good to see you back Scott.

    Regarding the tweet, the DJ is unsurprisingly over-reacting upwards... the fundemantal negative impact of coronavirus on the global economy is not going to go away imo.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.

    Surely - given Covid-19 - the real question is whether the Presidential election is Sanders' VP vs Pence or Biden's VP vs Pence.

    What happens if all 4 on the ticket go down ?
    The Republic falls and HMQ takes her rightful role as ruler of the colonies.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.

    Surely - given Covid-19 - the real question is whether the Presidential election is Sanders' VP vs Pence or Biden's VP vs Pence.

    What happens if all 4 on the ticket go down ?
    President Pelosi.
  • Sticking by Sanders for now
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Way to go! Sense breaking out in the Dems.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Nigelb said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Just fine.
    He’ll spout nonsense back at Trump’s nonsense.

    Difference is that Biden will have moments of lucidity. And a VP who doesn’t give you the creeps.
    Trump spouts nonsense but bluffs his way through it. Biden is just sad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Trump fears Biden.

    That is all that should matter now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    I doubt if Klobuchar dropping out makes much difference, other than ensuring Sanders wins Minnesota
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767

    Nigelb said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Just fine.
    He’ll spout nonsense back at Trump’s nonsense.

    Difference is that Biden will have moments of lucidity. And a VP who doesn’t give you the creeps.
    Trump spouts nonsense but bluffs his way through it. Biden is just sad.
    And the alternative is?

    The best candidate was Buttigieg but he couldn't get traction with the Dem base.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.

    Surely - given Covid-19 - the real question is whether the Presidential election is Sanders' VP vs Pence or Biden's VP vs Pence.

    What happens if all 4 on the ticket go down ?
    I believe dead heat rules apply...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    According to today’s Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno, at yesterday’s football match in Lecce, Puglia (4 cases in the region so far) the ambulance service tested 1,200 spectators, all tested negative.

    That’s right - the Italians at one stadium in one provincial town tested twice as many people at a single football match than the whole of the USA has managed since the crisis began.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153

    Nigelb said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Just fine.
    He’ll spout nonsense back at Trump’s nonsense.

    Difference is that Biden will have moments of lucidity. And a VP who doesn’t give you the creeps.
    Trump spouts nonsense but bluffs his way through it. Biden is just sad.
    Trump's nonsense and bluster is often entertaining and amusing, or would be were he not president at any rate. I've not seen as many of Biden's moments, but they don't seem to be as energetically bonkers. Here's hoping Biden can keep it together enough to win.
  • So by the end of Super Tuesday if Sanders is still ahead does that mean he can't lose? I know next to nothing about how it works.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Pulpstar said:

    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.


    I don't think the comeback kid is a relevant metaphor for Bibi...more like Alien...just when you think you've nuked the motherfucker up he pops....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Scott_xP said:
    Good to see you back Scott.

    Regarding the tweet, the DJ is unsurprisingly over-reacting upwards... the fundemantal negative impact of coronavirus on the global economy is not going to go away imo.
    The trouble is that while the sort of measures the central banks will be floating tomorrow do very little for the real economy, they do wonders for asset prices including stock markets. Which is why the Dow is going up.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    It’s basically Ed Biden Milliband against Bernie Corbyn.

    Good trading Market though.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    HYUFD said:

    I doubt if Klobuchar dropping out makes much difference, other than ensuring Sanders wins Minnesota

    The Oracle has spoken......I hope you have helped yourself to a shedload of money on the betting markets who think otherwise....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    rpjs said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
    It bothered a lot then. Mainly from the blue corner.

    At least Dubya had been a state Governor. People touting Michelle is nonsense, what state has she been Governor of? What qualifications has she got?
    She knows her way around the White House.....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622

    So by the end of Super Tuesday if Sanders is still ahead does that mean he can't lose? I know next to nothing about how it works.

    It depends on how much he is ahead by.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.


    I don't think the comeback kid is a relevant metaphor for Bibi...more like Alien...just when you think you've nuked the motherfucker up he pops....
    Yes, Netanyahu's coalition narrowly ahead on exit polls as he survives again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51709699
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    IanB2 said:

    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Yes, a late closing recovery that doesn’t appear justified by the emerging US virus news.
    Not sure this volatility bodes well for the next few months.

    The Dow rose 12% on October 30th 1929 but that didn't stop it sprialling downwards for the next few weeks.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.

    3rd in 11 months, you can be forgiven for being surprised. May they form a government this time at least.
    He's a young man too, only 70.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    tyson said:

    HYUFD said:

    I doubt if Klobuchar dropping out makes much difference, other than ensuring Sanders wins Minnesota

    The Oracle has spoken......I hope you have helped yourself to a shedload of money on the betting markets who think otherwise....
    I am tempted but will see
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    edited March 2020

    Nigelb said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
    Lets not overblow it. Even five years ago Biden was awful, that's why he didn't run when he had the incumbency of being Veep.
    He didn’t run because his kid died.
    And Obama talked him out of it (reportedly)
    Sympathies for the kid but that's not all there is.

    I wonder why Obama talked him out of it?
    No, I think that was a good deal of it. He was extremely close to his son Beau, whom he saw as his political successor (and who by all accounts was pretty talented).
    Though you’re right it’s not as simple as that.

    The story of the 2016 nomination (or one account of it) is here:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bidens-20202-announcement-brought-praise-obama/587989/

    I’m not sure he’d have beaten Clinton, who is probably the better machine politician, to the nomination. But I’m pretty sure if he had, he’d have beaten Trump.

    This time round ? Who knows at this point...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    Does Biden (‘s team) have a solution to healthcare, if that’s the issue on which the election can be won?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.


    I don't think the comeback kid is a relevant metaphor for Bibi...more like Alien...just when you think you've nuked the motherfucker up he pops....
    Yes, Netanyahu's coalition narrowly ahead on exit polls as he survives again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51709699
    A bit like the mighty Action Jackson (Apollo Creed)...he takes a lickin but keeps on tickin....

    One of those elections that isn't what the world quite needs right now...just more fuckwittery
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228

    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.

    Young cardinals; old popes...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.

    Not for long...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    My wallet is daring to breath tonight.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    IanB2 said:

    According to today’s Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno, at yesterday’s football match in Lecce, Puglia (4 cases in the region so far) the ambulance service tested 1,200 spectators, all tested negative.

    That’s right - the Italians at one stadium in one provincial town tested twice as many people at a single football match than the whole of the USA has managed since the crisis began.

    Which is an indictment on the USA as a whole.

    Now given that the main outbreak in the USA is in Washington state and that Washington state has had Democrat governors continuously since 1984 ...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Chameleon said:

    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.

    Not for long...
    Ouch.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
  • How many debates are left in the Dem calendar?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    HYUFD said:
    Trump is upset.

    He so wants Bernie as opponent.

    Can't think why.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    rpjs said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
    It bothered a lot then. Mainly from the blue corner.

    At least Dubya had been a state Governor. People touting Michelle is nonsense, what state has she been Governor of? What qualifications has she got?
    She knows her way around the White House.....
    If you read Michelle Obama's autobiography it's pretty clear she's never going to be a candidate. She hates politics.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    One big promise on the cvirus that goes tits up and Trump is finished. He might be finished anyway.
    Could the Republicans remove him?

    Wishful thinking on both counts, sadly. Trump will just blame it all on the Dems and the MSM.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    rpjs said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
    It bothered a lot then. Mainly from the blue corner.

    At least Dubya had been a state Governor. People touting Michelle is nonsense, what state has she been Governor of? What qualifications has she got?
    She knows her way around the White House.....
    If you read Michelle Obama's autobiography it's pretty clear she's never going to be a candidate. She hates politics.
    You have to be a particular type of sociopath to be a political leader....Michelle doesn't quite fit that bill....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622

    rpjs said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
    It bothered a lot then. Mainly from the blue corner.

    At least Dubya had been a state Governor. People touting Michelle is nonsense, what state has she been Governor of? What qualifications has she got?
    She knows her way around the White House.....
    If you read Michelle Obama's autobiography it's pretty clear she's never going to be a candidate. She hates politics.
    Wouldn't you if you'd experienced it from the inside ?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604

    Nigelb said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
    Lets not overblow it. Even five years ago Biden was awful, that's why he didn't run when he had the incumbency of being Veep.
    He didn’t run because his kid died.
    And Obama talked him out of it (reportedly)
    Sympathies for the kid but that's not all there is.

    I wonder why Obama talked him out of it?
    Beau, his son, died aged 45 of brain cancer in 2015. He had been severely injured as a young child in the car smash that killed Biden's wife and young daughter many years ago.

    When Beau died, I remember how shell-shocked Biden was. He could hardly function. I wasn't surprised that he decided not to run.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    edited March 2020
    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
    Warren has one path - Here it is:

    Sanders just short, Sanders offers VP to Warren for her delegates. Sanders has a massive heart attack or catches Covid19 - either too ill to carry on or dies.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    tyson said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
    I rather suspect sadly that we have not seen the worst.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228

    How many debates are left in the Dem calendar?

    One on the 15th, I think.

    Fewer names on stage for Biden to remember by then.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    tyson said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
    And ours so uplifting ?

  • Nigelb said:

    How many debates are left in the Dem calendar?

    One on the 15th, I think.

    Fewer names on stage for Biden to remember by then.
    Cheers.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    If anyone still believes the Chinese figures then today might be the first day when deaths outside China exceed deaths inside. Seems to be 35:36.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
    Warren has one path - Here it is:

    Sanders just short, Sanders offers VP to Warren for her delegates. Sanders has a massive heart attack or catches Covid19 - either too ill to carry on or dies.

    I think I'm going to put 30 notes on that path now....not beyond the realms, and I was going to get a takeaway tonight
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153

    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.

    But can you find more compelling ones in the Democratic Primaries?
    HYUFD said:
    What a bizarre thing to say. I know why, and he's trying to get Bernie fans riled up, but it's still bizarre.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    edited March 2020
    I've put a couple of quid on Biden for Maine at 6.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    Nigelb said:

    tyson said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
    And ours so uplifting ?

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    I've put a couple of quid on Biden for Maine at 6.

    I just put a few quid on Warren...it just seems like she's the only adult in the room
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    HYUFD said:
    That’s a pretty old poll.

    Since then Sanders has had his Cuba kerfuffle, and 9f course Buttigieg and Klobuchar have pulled out.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    kle4 said:

    Endorsing Biden. Bugger me.

    I could find more compelling candidates in my local care home.

    But can you find more compelling ones in the Democratic Primaries?
    HYUFD said:
    What a bizarre thing to say. I know why, and he's trying to get Bernie fans riled up, but it's still bizarre.
    He's had his instructions from Moscow.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    tyson said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
    And ours so uplifting ?

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.
    Shouldn’t that cheer us up, then ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    tyson said:

    I've put a couple of quid on Biden for Maine at 6.

    I just put a few quid on Warren...it just seems like she's the only adult in the room
    Warren as POTUS is 110 at moment. I've put a pint on that.

    Don't ask me how we get from here to there :smile:
  • glwglw Posts: 9,910
    kle4 said:

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.

    Our politics is better. It's not just the leaders and parties, which I think are better, it's things like the neutrality of government departments, independent judiciary, a press that is on the whole more willing to challenge the executive, and our parties seem to be broader. I think we also do a lot better with things like elections, seat boundaries, and voter registration.

    We're not perfect, but I really can't think of any aspect of US politics that we should copy.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    So the moderates are left with a candidate who has been round this loop repeatedly and confuses everyone including himself. It’s Bidenception.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    edited March 2020
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:
    That’s a pretty old poll.

    Since then Sanders has had his Cuba kerfuffle, and 9f course Buttigieg and Klobuchar have pulled out.
    Could be a two horse race come Florida.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767

    So the moderates are left with a candidate who has been round this loop repeatedly and confuses everyone including himself. It’s Bidenception.

    Ground joe day.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    tyson said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dodrade said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not come November. How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't even finish a sentence?
    Hard to disagree...

    Biden is a spectacularly poor candidate with obvious signs of mental degradation, who is going to end up head-to-head with Trump because... well, probably because Mike Bloomberg stopped the field properly consolidating post Iowa and New Hampshire.

    That being said, the US public health response to Covid-19 has been utterly appalling. It's possible tens of thousands of people will end up dying unnecessarily from it. In that circumstance, I don't think it matters who the nominee is. Trump will be hammered.
    the state of US politics is just fucking depressing....
    Biden > Corbyn

    and Labour put him forward twice.

    The UK left have no comfort blanket.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,712

    tyson said:

    I've put a couple of quid on Biden for Maine at 6.

    I just put a few quid on Warren...it just seems like she's the only adult in the room
    Warren as POTUS is 110 at moment. I've put a pint on that.

    Don't ask me how we get from here to there :smile:
    You need a "we're alright" moment from Biden.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
    Warren has one path - Here it is:

    Sanders just short, Sanders offers VP to Warren for her delegates. Sanders has a massive heart attack or catches Covid19 - either too ill to carry on or dies.
    I think I'm going to put 30 notes on that path now....not beyond the realms, and I was going to get a takeaway tonight
    I’ve put a couple of quid on Abrams and Harris for president along similar lines.
    One of them is probably Biden’s VP.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    IanB2 said:

    First! Like China

    They are good at producing viruses for sure.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767

    tyson said:

    I've put a couple of quid on Biden for Maine at 6.

    I just put a few quid on Warren...it just seems like she's the only adult in the room
    Warren as POTUS is 110 at moment. I've put a pint on that.

    Don't ask me how we get from here to there :smile:
    You need a "we're alright" moment from Biden.
    Howard Dean?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.

    Our politics is better. It's not just the leaders and parties, which I think are better, it's things like the neutrality of government departments, independent judiciary, a press that is on the whole more willing to challenge the executive, and our parties seem to be broader. I think we also do a lot better with things like elections, seat boundaries, and voter registration.

    We're not perfect, but I really can't think of any aspect of US politics that we should copy.
    Certainly not their campaign finance.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359

    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

    you need to get a life
  • glwglw Posts: 9,910
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.

    Our politics is better. It's not just the leaders and parties, which I think are better, it's things like the neutrality of government departments, independent judiciary, a press that is on the whole more willing to challenge the executive, and our parties seem to be broader. I think we also do a lot better with things like elections, seat boundaries, and voter registration.

    We're not perfect, but I really can't think of any aspect of US politics that we should copy.
    Certainly not their campaign finance.
    Yes I should have mentioned that. US politics is facinating, but it's certainly not a good example of how things should be done.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    Nigelb said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
    Warren has one path - Here it is:

    Sanders just short, Sanders offers VP to Warren for her delegates. Sanders has a massive heart attack or catches Covid19 - either too ill to carry on or dies.
    I think I'm going to put 30 notes on that path now....not beyond the realms, and I was going to get a takeaway tonight
    I’ve put a couple of quid on Abrams and Harris for president along similar lines.
    One of them is probably Biden’s VP.
    Nina Turner could be Sanders VP if you want to complete the likely set so to speak.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Good to see you back Scott.

    Regarding the tweet, the DJ is unsurprisingly over-reacting upwards... the fundemantal negative impact of coronavirus on the global economy is not going to go away imo.
    The trouble is that while the sort of measures the central banks will be floating tomorrow do very little for the real economy, they do wonders for asset prices including stock markets. Which is why the Dow is going up.
    Long may it continue, I managed to get 12K back today.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.

    Our politics is better. It's not just the leaders and parties, which I think are better, it's things like the neutrality of government departments, independent judiciary, a press that is on the whole more willing to challenge the executive, and our parties seem to be broader. I think we also do a lot better with things like elections, seat boundaries, and voter registration.

    We're not perfect, but I really can't think of any aspect of US politics that we should copy.
    At grass roots there’s a folksy localness about it, which seems at odds with how big money it is at the top. And in many communities people are willing to show their support with lawn posters (without apparent fear of vandalism or theft).

    Otherwise, you are right, it’s mostly appalling.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    It does look as if China may well have cracked it, and be producing accurate figures. Closedowns work.

    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1234603592407044096?s=19
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    I tentatively suggested, with my usual lack of expertise not holding me back, that anyone whose death rate was more than 2% of their infected rate had a problem because there were almost certainly "unfound" victims spreading the virus unchecked in the community. The reckless Iran with all the tongue licking of Islamic statues is currently sitting at 4.4%. Tonight the USA is over 6%.

    It goes beyond neglect. They tried to impeach Trump because he wanted to find out a bit about Biden's possible corruption. He should be impeached for this and his cuts in the CDC budget. He is a disgrace.

    Yes. Trump's disgraceful mishandling of this endangers the world. America is a f*cking shitshow.

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1233354415077281794?s=20

    https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1234536619270688768?s=20
    Will Trump be able to scream fake news when voters are seeing hazard-suited paramedics in their hoods?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One amusing part about Biden's rise is that he could potentially push Bloomberg below viability in California, though Buttigieg and Klob pulling out make this less likely.
    Sanders faces the same danger with Warren in Texas.


    I don't know- but is there a any kind of pathway for Warren??...she is by far their best candidate....
    Warren has one path - Here it is:

    Sanders just short, Sanders offers VP to Warren for her delegates. Sanders has a massive heart attack or catches Covid19 - either too ill to carry on or dies.
    I think I'm going to put 30 notes on that path now....not beyond the realms, and I was going to get a takeaway tonight
    I’ve put a couple of quid on Abrams and Harris for president along similar lines.
    One of them is probably Biden’s VP.
    Nina Turner could be Sanders VP if you want to complete the likely set so to speak.
    Perhaps, but not tempted.
    Abrams might be a pretty smart pick for Sanders, anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    The surprise of the night could be Warren beating Bloomberg...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    edited March 2020
    I don't want to boast but I put £10 on Biden at 15/1 a few days ago. That figure was ridiculous IMO.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    So the moderates are left with a candidate who has been round this loop repeatedly and confuses everyone including himself. It’s Bidenception.

    Feel free to have a crack at setting out what Biden would do as President. Other than nap and suck Werthers Originals
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    So now we have Bloomberg as a spoiler for Biden and Warren as a Sanders spoiler.
    And err Tulsi Gabbard !

    Why are people so down on Tulsi? She’s really cute 😊
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    First person account of an Italian Covid sufferer.
    59 year old with a history of pneumonia, she pulled through with what sounds like minimal treatment:

    https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/i-had-the-coronavirus-worst-part-stigma.html
    ... They took some X-rays, and they confirmed that I had pneumonia. There were no rooms in isolation, though, so they put me on a stretcher in an unused office that lacked even a bathroom. Every two hours they would come to check my vitals. They gave me the swab, and the results came back a day later: positive for COVID-19.

    When they told me about it, I wasn’t afraid for myself. I had figured I had it, and I was actually doing better—it was like having a bad flu. I was afraid for everyone else. I thought back to whom I had seen, whom I had come in contact with, and I hoped with all of myself that no one had contracted the virus. I had to call my friends, family, and co-workers and explain the whole story.

    They transferred me to the infectious diseases department at a bigger hospital in Bergamo. There, they were more prepared to handle this emergency. I was in isolation; no one could visit me. Since there is no cure, they could only give me Tylenol...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    No, but sometimes it seems like american politics exists to make ours (mostly) look better.

    Our politics is better. It's not just the leaders and parties, which I think are better, it's things like the neutrality of government departments, independent judiciary, a press that is on the whole more willing to challenge the executive, and our parties seem to be broader. I think we also do a lot better with things like elections, seat boundaries, and voter registration.

    We're not perfect, but I really can't think of any aspect of US politics that we should copy.
    The First Amendment
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