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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited March 2020
    First! Like China
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Eighty-fifth.

    Like Clinton.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880
    Only Biden can defeat the Tories, er I mean Trump!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037
    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Super Tuesday may show Sanders holding on to a clear lead and then he wins overall no problem, but right now this does look like the most exciting nomination race since at least 2008.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Youngest candidate in the race...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited March 2020
    Greetings from south Devon, where two school kids have been diagnosed as having picked up the virus on a trip to Italy.

    Have to decide on 9th April whether we can the Dart Music Festival for this year. This news has not helped....

    Shame, as this is what we'll be missing:

    https://www.dartmusicfestival.co.uk/?utm_source=Business news subscribers&utm_campaign=a88aee3e7f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_05_08_59_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4788e290db-a88aee3e7f-141813397&mc_cid=a88aee3e7f&mc_eid=8f50bbd53e&fbclid=IwAR0guYxpGk3h8pSGdmo37-JINrr7hqyxocA3QoXHWaz64HhfYejoTMh1b-M
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Whoever is the nominee he’ll be out on the stump.

    The Trump lay is a bargain price right now, I think.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Unfair. He’s not quite in his second childhood,
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Everything that is so utterly broken about America right here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51715245

    For pity's sake ... stupid stupid stupid bloody mess up. A perfect storm:

    - A viciously infectious novel virus
    - No proper healthcare system
    - No social net
    and ...
    - a complete and utter moron as President

    Please don't confuse this with dislike of the country. I love it. And I love Americans. But the place is so broken.

    Vent over.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Err, it didn't help Clinton four years ago.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Unfair. He’s not quite in his second childhood,
    So what is his excuse?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    Quincel said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Youngest candidate in the race...
    Trump is younger...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Unfair. He’s not quite in his second childhood,
    So what is his excuse?
    Just a chill guy. :smile:
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    eek said:

    Quincel said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    Youngest candidate in the race...
    Trump is younger...
    True, though it depends which race you mean.
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    edited March 2020
    I think we are going to get an announcement that the PCC and local elections are going to be postponed. Eight weeks from now its not unreasonable to think we will be in the state Italy currently is.
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    edited March 2020
    delete
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    SandyRentool said:

    Can we call Biden 'The Comeback Kid'?

    The combover kid.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Whoever is the nominee he’ll be out on the stump.

    The Trump lay is a bargain price right now, I think.
    I think he'd do with gusto for Biden, there's a real friendship there.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Whoever is the nominee he’ll be out on the stump.

    The Trump lay is a bargain price right now, I think.
    I think he'd do with gusto for Biden, there's a real friendship there.
    I think the more important question is how enthusiastically Biden/Bernie will stump for each other.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1234573252221120513?s=21
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    I tentatively suggested, with my usual lack of expertise not holding me back, that anyone whose death rate was more than 2% of their infected rate had a problem because there were almost certainly "unfound" victims spreading the virus unchecked in the community. The reckless Iran with all the tongue licking of Islamic statues is currently sitting at 4.4%. Tonight the USA is over 6%.

    It goes beyond neglect. They tried to impeach Trump because he wanted to find out a bit about Biden's possible corruption. He should be impeached for this and his cuts in the CDC budget. He is a disgrace.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    Quincel said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Whoever is the nominee he’ll be out on the stump.

    The Trump lay is a bargain price right now, I think.
    I think he'd do with gusto for Biden, there's a real friendship there.
    I think the more important question is how enthusiastically Biden/Bernie will stump for each other.
    That, and I'm hoping that the Dem nominee will actually campaign where they need to, unlike Mrs Clinton.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1234573252221120513?s=21

    Reminds me of this gem by McCain, which goes wrong not once but twice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PcJnDpOE
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    edited March 2020
    Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar are both going to endorse Biden on stage in Texas tonight.

    It really seems to be coming down to who has the best impressionist on Saturday Night Live, although the guy who did Cory Booker was quite good.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Casino_Royale said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?

    Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.

    Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
    The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
    Don't bother. It's terrible, I'm going to finish the first season because I'm invested now, but if I had known it was going to be this bad I wouldn't have bothered. There's no single thing that's bad and could easily be fixed, it's absolutely everything that's just awful.
    Patrick Stewart isn't Picard in it. He's a doddery old fool who looks sadly miscast.

    It just doesn't work.

    He should have either made the series 5 years ago, or retired to an old people's home.
    That could be easily reworked to apply to Biden with no particular challenge.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    DavidL said:

    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

    I might be missing something, but that's about US spending abroad. I'm not saying that those cuts aren't bad, but isn't the issue an internal one (and I guess there have been cuts to that as well)?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited March 2020
    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    DavidL said:

    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

    DavidL said:

    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

    Are you sure? Do you have any evidence that a better funded CDC would have improved what happened in Iran, Italy and China?

    This article isnt about the USA's own woeful response.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited March 2020
    FPT:
    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    https://twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,709
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    John Prescott.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    https://twitter.com/diagnosinghc/status/1234494148108939264?s=20
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1234552050266099712
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

    I might be missing something, but that's about US spending abroad. I'm not saying that those cuts aren't bad, but isn't the issue an internal one (and I guess there have been cuts to that as well)?
    The CDC helped low income countries to address diseases that were potentially a threat to Americans. In doing so it gained a great deal of expertise and knowledge in how to control, analyse and prevent the spread of diseases. The USA urgently needs that expertise now within its own borders but the department was all but disbanded. The CDC of the Obama years would have been front and central in dealing with this virus. Now the US is one of those countries with a completely deficient health system unable to control a virus within its borders.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    williamglenn said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    John Prescott.
    Does he tend to punch people
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    https://twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    The implication that it has been in the wild in Seattle for six weeks is pretty significant.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/status/1234556287985254400?s=20
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1234546210356154368?s=20
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    This piece, by the way, borders on the prophetic: https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

    I might be missing something, but that's about US spending abroad. I'm not saying that those cuts aren't bad, but isn't the issue an internal one (and I guess there have been cuts to that as well)?
    The CDC helped low income countries to address diseases that were potentially a threat to Americans. In doing so it gained a great deal of expertise and knowledge in how to control, analyse and prevent the spread of diseases. The USA urgently needs that expertise now within its own borders but the department was all but disbanded. The CDC of the Obama years would have been front and central in dealing with this virus. Now the US is one of those countries with a completely deficient health system unable to control a virus within its borders.
    The US is now a rich third world country.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Been a fun ride.

    I suspect if Biden does win the nomination we'll see a lot of Obama out on the stump and general campaigning, which will be a real benefit for Biden,

    Err, it didn't help Clinton four years ago.
    What if it did? Maybe Trump would have won the rust belt by large margins if not for Obama.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    depressing...it looks like Bibi is going to get close to a majority in Israel....


    we are in an age when anti liberal, populist fuckwittery nastiness is the magic formula to win elections....even if you are corrupt...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Mysticrose said:

    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

    I try to keep a perspective on this crisis but the stories coming out of the west coast of US look very worrying
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Mysticrose said:

    https://twitter.com/diagnosinghc/status/1234494148108939264?s=20

    For completeness, overseas patients in the UK will not be charged for NHS treatment, even if they wouldn't usually qualify for care free at the point of need:

    "Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has been added to Schedule 1 of the NHS (Charges to Overseas Visitors) Regulations.

    This means, as for any other infectious disease in Schedule 1, there can be no charge made to an overseas visitor for the diagnosis, or, if positive, treatment, of this coronavirus.

    No charge applies to a diagnostic test even if the result is negative. Also, no charge can apply to any treatment provided up to the point that it is negatively diagnosed."
  • humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 377
    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,709
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    John Prescott.
    Does he tend to punch people
    He was the reassuring sidekick to the charismatic younger leader.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    edited March 2020
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    John Prescott.
    Does he tend to punch people
    Not the way he uses his hands generally.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    williamglenn said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    John Prescott.
    Does he tend to punch people
    He was the reassuring sidekick to the charismatic younger leader.
    Fair enough
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Bit weird with such alarming news in Seattle. Looks like a false rally to me.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Mysticrose said:

    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

    I try to keep a perspective on this crisis but the stories coming out of the west coast of US look very worrying
    Its been said for a while it didn't make sense there was no testing and no cases on the West Coast which has so much trans-pacific travel.

    Now we know there have been cases they just weren't tested.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Mysticrose said:

    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

    I try to keep a perspective on this crisis but the stories coming out of the west coast of US look very worrying
    It's ok though because the Dow is up and that is what matters to Trump.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Mysticrose said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    There must be someone half sane to beat Trump and restore the US's reputation
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Foxy said:

    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Bit weird with such alarming news in Seattle. Looks like a false rally to me.
    I agree
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Pity about Klobuchar.
    Maybe she'd be good vice-presidential material.
    But,
    to whom?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    There must be someone half sane to beat Trump and restore the US's reputation
    There probably is.

    They're just not running in this race.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Odd reaction for the market, Sanders is going to absolubtely romp home in Minnesota now.
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    Philip_Thompson said:

    https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1234552050266099712

    Wow, you think she would have worked it out that it wasnt that funny when no one laughed the first time.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Mysticrose said:

    https://twitter.com/diagnosinghc/status/1234494148108939264?s=20

    For completeness, overseas patients in the UK will not be charged for NHS treatment, even if they wouldn't usually qualify for care free at the point of need:

    "Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has been added to Schedule 1 of the NHS (Charges to Overseas Visitors) Regulations.

    This means, as for any other infectious disease in Schedule 1, there can be no charge made to an overseas visitor for the diagnosis, or, if positive, treatment, of this coronavirus.

    No charge applies to a diagnostic test even if the result is negative. Also, no charge can apply to any treatment provided up to the point that it is negatively diagnosed."
    Good. We have not been severely tested yet but so far our public health administration is really doing well.
  • humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 377
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Bit weird with such alarming news in Seattle. Looks like a false rally to me.
    I agree
    Unless there are rumours of a vaccine breakthrough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    I did suggest a couple of weeks ago that I thought it was very strange how there was no sign of it in the Pacific North West, when it has a very large Chinese immigration population there (especially in Seattle and Vancouver) and obviously much closer to China, so making trips home are more common during holidays.

    SARS really hit Vancouver for this very reason.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    So now we have Bloomberg as a spoiler for Biden and Warren as a Sanders spoiler.
    And err Tulsi Gabbard !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    humbugger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Bit weird with such alarming news in Seattle. Looks like a false rally to me.
    I agree
    Unless there are rumours of a vaccine breakthrough.
    Well doesn't have to be a vaccine, there are currently two drugs undergoing human trials to see what their effectiveness on this is like having already fully certificated as they were worked on for SARS. So if they are working well, the production of them can be quickly ramped up.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Mysticrose said:

    I think we're right on the edge of a cliff-fall moment in the US

    I try to keep a perspective on this crisis but the stories coming out of the west coast of US look very worrying
    It's ok though because the Dow is up and that is what matters to Trump.
    I hope I live long enough to read the inevitable tell-all books about what REALLY happened during the Trump administration. I have no doubt that they will make Nixon's time in office look sane in comparison.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Dr. Matt McCarthy, a staff physician at New York-Presbyterian:

    “I’m here to tell you, right now, at one of the busiest hospitals in the country, I don’t have [a rapid diagnostic test] at my finger tips.” “I still have to make my case, plead to test people. This is not good. We know that there are 88 cases in the United States. There are going to be hundreds by middle of week. There’s going to be thousands by next week. And this is a testing issue.”

    “In New York State, the person who tested positive is only the 32nd test we’ve done in this state,” he said. “That is a national scandal. [...] They’re testing 10,000 a day in some countries and we can’t get this off the ground,” McCarthy said. “I’m a practitioner on the firing line, and I don’t have the tools to properly care for patients today.” (Video, CNBC)

    Just shocking.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    BluestBlue said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    Okay that was rather good

    :smiley:
    Joe Biden as President = Patrick Stewart playing Picard.

    An awesome idea - five years ago...
    Lets not overblow it. Even five years ago Biden was awful, that's why he didn't run when he had the incumbency of being Veep.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    humbugger said:

    Wall Street very excitable in the last hour or so.

    Yes, a late closing recovery that doesn’t appear justified by the emerging US virus news.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    It looks as if the forces of evil may have triumphed in Israel according to the Exit polls.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    DavidL said:

    Dr. Matt McCarthy, a staff physician at New York-Presbyterian:

    “I’m here to tell you, right now, at one of the busiest hospitals in the country, I don’t have [a rapid diagnostic test] at my finger tips.” “I still have to make my case, plead to test people. This is not good. We know that there are 88 cases in the United States. There are going to be hundreds by middle of week. There’s going to be thousands by next week. And this is a testing issue.”

    “In New York State, the person who tested positive is only the 32nd test we’ve done in this state,” he said. “That is a national scandal. [...] They’re testing 10,000 a day in some countries and we can’t get this off the ground,” McCarthy said. “I’m a practitioner on the firing line, and I don’t have the tools to properly care for patients today.” (Video, CNBC)

    Just shocking.

    At the press conference today, the guy in charge of New York was talking about hoping to get the capacity to do 1000 test a day by the end of the week. That seems a tiny amount for such a populous area.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    justin124 said:

    It looks as if the forces of evil may have triumphed in Israel according to the Exit polls.

    Have Hamas won?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    https://twitter.com/hopenothate/status/1234571171246616576
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    justin124 said:

    It looks as if the forces of evil may have triumphed in Israel according to the Exit polls.

    Have Hamas won?
    Likud.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    I did suggest a couple of weeks ago that I thought it was very strange how there was no sign of it in the Pacific North West, when it has a very large Chinese immigration population there (especially in Seattle and Vancouver) and obviously much closer to China, so making trips home are more common during holidays.

    SARS really hit Vancouver for this very reason.
    And it has concerned me for a while as I am fully aware of the Chinese connections to Vancouver.

    My wife and I are due to fly there in May and am carefully watching developments and receiving advice from my son and daughter in law who live there
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1234586156471328773
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Bibi the comeback kid :p ?
    If he's ahead in exit polls he's a mile ahead in the real vote. Didn't even realise they were having an election tbh.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    another_richard said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    I did suggest a couple of weeks ago that I thought it was very strange how there was no sign of it in the Pacific North West, when it has a very large Chinese immigration population there (especially in Seattle and Vancouver) and obviously much closer to China, so making trips home are more common during holidays.

    SARS really hit Vancouver for this very reason.
    And it has concerned me for a while as I am fully aware of the Chinese connections to Vancouver.

    My wife and I are due to fly there in May and am carefully watching developments and receiving advice from my son and daughter in law who live there
    Personally I would be giving it a miss.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rpjs said:

    another_richard said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    Really. The US are in a mess then

    Why doesn't Michelle Obama or someone sensible stand
    Michelle Obama isn't a politician and people have been asking that question for months.

    Presidential candidates were once regularly state governors but now they are decrepit Washington politicians.
    I'll add that the "After Hilary it will be Michelle followed by Chelsea then the Obama girls" talk in 2016 would certainly have boosted Trump.

    I suspect many voters don't think the Presidency is something which should be passed around members of the same family.
    Didn't seem to bother folks much in 2000 and 2004.
    It bothered a lot then. Mainly from the blue corner.

    At least Dubya had been a state Governor. People touting Michelle is nonsense, what state has she been Governor of? What qualifications has she got?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    I did suggest a couple of weeks ago that I thought it was very strange how there was no sign of it in the Pacific North West, when it has a very large Chinese immigration population there (especially in Seattle and Vancouver) and obviously much closer to China, so making trips home are more common during holidays.

    SARS really hit Vancouver for this very reason.
    And it has concerned me for a while as I am fully aware of the Chinese connections to Vancouver.

    My wife and I are due to fly there in May and am carefully watching developments and receiving advice from my son and daughter in law who live there
    Personally I would be giving it a miss.
    I agree. The virus appears to have reached Italy late January and the cases emerged during February. We are barely in March and look where they are now. Project the north west coast situation forward a month and it doesn’t look good.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1234586156471328773

    Hopefully they can find the formula to get rid of Trump and share that so we can start to unpick Boris.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1234586156471328773

    Hopefully they can find the formula to get rid of Trump and share that so we can start to unpick Boris.
    Funny if they come up with Jeremy Corbyn, and it works.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dodrade said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,003
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1234591545820614657
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Philip_Thompson said:

    dodrade said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1234586156471328773

    Hopefully they can find the formula to get rid of Trump and share that so we can start to unpick Boris.
    So you mean Labour will bring Neil Kinnock in as next leader?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    Barnesian said:

    Using the average of latest swing state polls I estimate that Biden beats Trump 293 EV to 245.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMD5cZIBf7k8YoZcEjxMhmUm489cCPa0u9jgjULa1f0/edit?usp=sharing

    On the other hand, Trump beats Sanders 282 EV to 256.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iGvzqbNJxTpJ6A_I6mdOrc7uirdbKSqANnFb7dEN23Y/edit?usp=sharing

    If Sanders is nominee, Trump is a bet.
    If Biden is nominee, Trump is a lay.

    Surely - given Covid-19 - the real question is whether the Presidential election is Sanders' VP vs Pence or Biden's VP vs Pence.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    The speed of death in Seattle suggests to me delay in diagnosis. I think there is going to be quite a hotspot there.

    twitter./megtirrell/status/1234565528938741760?s=19

    Have you seen Bedford and his nextstrain.org?

    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970442152472577
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970559257468928
    twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233975581974228994

    It's so cool, and suggest a few days ago that there would be a substantial outbreak.
    I did suggest a couple of weeks ago that I thought it was very strange how there was no sign of it in the Pacific North West, when it has a very large Chinese immigration population there (especially in Seattle and Vancouver) and obviously much closer to China, so making trips home are more common during holidays.

    SARS really hit Vancouver for this very reason.
    And it has concerned me for a while as I am fully aware of the Chinese connections to Vancouver.

    My wife and I are due to fly there in May and am carefully watching developments and receiving advice from my son and daughter in law who live there
    Personally I would be giving it a miss.
    There are specific reasons why we need to visit our son in Vancouver and it will be a last minute decision if we have to cancel
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    not_on_fire said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dodrade said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not in November it not. Trump will make mincemeat out of either of these fuckwits.

    How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't finish a sentence?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1234586156471328773

    Hopefully they can find the formula to get rid of Trump and share that so we can start to unpick Boris.
    So you mean Labour will bring Neil Kinnock in as next leader?
    We’re alright.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Philip_Thompson said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dodrade said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    another_richard said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Can someome help me here

    I know Sanders is compared to Corbyn but who does Biden compare with

    I have a poor knowledge of the candidates but I do want Trump out but not to Sanders

    Neil Kinnock.
    That was 30 years ago.

    Now he's comparable to Neil Kinnock with early signs of dementia.
    How has it come to this that the Democratic establishment are rallying behind a man whose mental faculties are visibly failing?
    We can all see his mental faculties are failing.

    Say that to Biden supporters and they don't even deny it, they're just like "at least its not Trump or Sanders" as if that makes everything great.

    Between this election and not testing for COVID America is fucked.
    Being not Trump is definitely enough
    Not in November it not. Trump will make mincemeat out of either of these fuckwits.

    How is Biden going to fare in the debates when he can't finish a sentence?
    Have you heard Trump saying a sentence?
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