I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
Why pay a penny? Does anyone think Priti Patel is going to be let go over this? We're not running a May-style 'The Home Secretary's cat sneezed so she must resign' Government any more...
Re:cancellations. Focusing on large scale events (certainly non international ones) seems pointless when you still have things like the Underground running.
Well, if you cancel a couple of large events at Wembley, the O2, etc, then you reduce the number of people on the tube too, and doing half a useful thing is better than nothing.
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
I would be very surprised if this ended up in court for exactly the reason you identify.
But he has already very publicly rejected a pay-off. If there's one now it will need to be within the next four weeks, After that, there may well be an opposition that will understand the implications of such a move.
I'm picking up vibes from Marr that the government is going to make a catastrophic mistake and go for a keep calm and carry on model and not a lock down model. Oh dear.
There are consequences of lockdown which will impact on the health and wellbeing of citizens as well though. And if measures taken by the Government are not accepted by the populous as proportionate, then they will likely be widely flouted and potentially counterproductive.
One thing that the Japanese government has done (after waiting until people died) that AFAIK the British government hasn't done yet (I guess they'll do it once enough people have died) is to *ask* - not require - for people to work from home where practical and scale back large events that bring a lot of people in close proximity to each other.
These are very low cost, because a lot of people could go ahead and work from home fine if they didn't feel like they were being melodramatic for doing it, and if the thing carries on spreading as expected it'll have that effect on event attendance anyway, so it's better to scale stuff back sooner rather than later.
One problem with scaling back on large events is that they are often ‘vanity’ projects to project national success etc. they also have huge financial impact on those organizing them and those who stand to make money from it. Valencia have said the Fallas is going ahead which will have thousands of people from all over in the streets for four days despite 15 cases detected. As you say though the general public could well just avoid the event if they are concerned. Would be interested in seeing if football attendances we’re down yesterday in UK
Geneva motor show was called off a couple of days ago. They were expecting half a million visitors over the week, that will be a massive dent in the economy - although insurance will undoubtedly cover some of it, and a fair few people with no insurance will visit the city anyway if the airlines don’t cancel their flights.
Struggling to understand that Spain now on 73, up 6 today already. All returning from Italy or in families of returnees. Is it that more Spaniards go skiing in Italy than Brits? Or is it because Spain is nominally Roman Catholic?
One can certainly see how some of the RC practices during the service might aid transmission. Both the sign of peace and the sharing of the communal cup are ready made for rapid, large scale transmission. In theory one infected priest or altar server could pass the disease on to many more people than, for example, a GP.
Ireland have already stopped such practices but I have not heard if Spain and Italy have done so.
I'm picking up vibes from Marr that the government is going to make a catastrophic mistake and go for a keep calm and carry on model and not a lock down model. Oh dear.
There are consequences of lockdown which will impact on the health and wellbeing of citizens as well though. And if measures taken by the Government are not accepted by the populous as proportionate, then they will likely be widely flouted and potentially counterproductive.
One thing that the Japanese government has done (after waiting until people died) that AFAIK the British government hasn't done yet (I guess they'll do it once enough people have died) is to *ask* - not require - for people to work from home where practical and scale back large events that bring a lot of people in close proximity to each other.
These are very low cost, because a lot of people could go ahead and work from home fine if they didn't feel like they were being melodramatic for doing it, and if the thing carries on spreading as expected it'll have that effect on event attendance anyway, so it's better to scale stuff back sooner rather than later.
One problem with scaling back on large events is that they are often ‘vanity’ projects to project national success etc. they also have huge financial impact on those organizing them and those who stand to make money from it. Valencia have said the Fallas is going ahead which will have thousands of people from all over in the streets for four days despite 15 cases detected. As you say though the general public could well just avoid the event if they are concerned. Would be interested in seeing if football attendances we’re down yesterday in UK
Geneva motor show was called off a couple of days ago. They were expecting half a million visitors over the week, that will be a massive dent in the economy - although insurance will undoubtedly cover some of it, and a fair few people with no insurance will visit the city anyway if the airlines don’t cancel their flights.
Our events insurance does not cover epidemics. I don't think policies generally do. It's an act of God kind of thing.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
Precisamente en Torrejón de Ardoz residía la ciudadana ecuatoriana de 71 años que ha dado positivo por coronavirus tras las pruebas realizadas en Ecuador, país al que viajó el 14 de febrero.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Interesting this is the most recent case in Spain having returned from Ecuador.
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
I would be very surprised if this ended up in court for exactly the reason you identify.
But he has already very publicly rejected a pay-off. If there's one now it will need to be within the next four weeks, After that, there may well be an opposition that will understand the implications of such a move.
The opposition has to play this carefully. First, Patel may not be at fault - or not the only one at fault here. Second, the Windrush report may well put some blame on Rutnam. If the Home Office behaved incompetently or worse in relation to British citizens, Labour does not want to be in a position where it looks as if it is on the side of the civil servants over people harmed by inept Home Office actions.
It might be better to focus on specific issues eg giving orders to act illegally - if there is evidence of this.
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead this week for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
We dont trust children to do a lot of things, it would seem odd to trust such a huge decision to them.
I do sometimes think that gender stereotypes are too strong in childhood, with toys and clothes too rigidly defined. It seems to be impossible to be a boy who likes pink or sparkly things, or a girl who likes military stuff. There is no need to conform to an external gender to like this stuff. The world has long had a history of arty, dandy men, and the opposite in women.
Despite the best efforts of my brother and sister in law my niece and nephew quickly settled on the stereotypical toys & colours! Some things (like sexuality) appear to be hardwired.
Toys are 100% socialised, they are not hardwired. Peer group has a massive effect on the toys children play with.
This was our experience. Our daughter started Primary School playing with trains and fighting lions, but a week later it was all horses, unicorns and pegasi.
A: GERS is produced by Scottish Government statisticians. It is designated as a National Statistics product, which means that it is produced independently of Scottish Ministers and has been assessed by the UK Statistics Authority as being produced in line with the Code of Practice for Official Statistics. This means the statistics have been found to meet user needs, to be methodologically sound, explained well and produced free of political interference.'
You stupid halfwit , they have to use the fake made up Westminster numbers which are as bent as the Tories. There are 167 estimates in there and fact they have Scotland as responsible for about 70% of UK borrowing shows how bent they are. I can safely say without even knowing you that you are a stupid unthinking unionist halfwit who is unable to have an original thought , run off back to the flock.
Philip, get a grip, how do you explain England with 85% of the population borrowing money and trying to pretend that almost 70% of it is borrowed for Scotland with less than 10% of the population. Not even a cretin would try to promote that one.
We know that spending per capita is higher in Scotland. At an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would be possible to have Scotland responsible for 100% of the borrowing and England 0%. Equally at an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would also be possible to have England responsible for 100% of the borrowing and Scotland 0%.
What we know is the numbers are well fudged and that almost all spending is in the south of England. No matter how you dress it up , Scotland does not borrow a penny , England via Westminster borrows all the money , squanders it on itself and then tries to say it was all spent on Scotland. It is complete bollox. Why don't you explain to me why 70% of the UK borrowing is said to be spent in Scotland, cite examples etc that you can show are real and I don't mean 12% of Crossrail or suchlike.
I've never seen Crossrail included within Scottish expenditure. If you can show me that then fair enough.
Examples: 1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees. 2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions. 3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
I'm picking up vibes from Marr that the government is going to make a catastrophic mistake and go for a keep calm and carry on model and not a lock down model. Oh dear.
One thing that the Japanese government has done (after waiting until people died) that AFAIK the British government hasn't done yet (I guess they'll do it once enough people have died) is to *ask* - not require - for people to work from home where practical and scale back large events that bring a lot of people in close proximity to each other.
These are very low cost, because a lot of people could go ahead and work from home fine if they didn't feel like they were being melodramatic for doing it, and if the thing carries on spreading as expected it'll have that effect on event attendance anyway, so it's better to scale stuff back sooner rather than later.
One problem with scaling back on large events is that they are often ‘vanity’ projects to project national success etc. they also have huge financial impact on those organizing them and those who stand to make money from it. Valencia have said the Fallas is going ahead which will have thousands of people from all over in the streets for four days despite 15 cases detected. As you say though the general public could well just avoid the event if they are concerned. Would be interested in seeing if football attendances we’re down yesterday in UK
Geneva motor show was called off a couple of days ago. They were expecting half a million visitors over the week, that will be a massive dent in the economy - although insurance will undoubtedly cover some of it, and a fair few people with no insurance will visit the city anyway if the airlines don’t cancel their flights.
Struggling to understand that Spain now on 73, up 6 today already. All returning from Italy or in families of returnees. Is it that more Spaniards go skiing in Italy than Brits? Or is it because Spain is nominally Roman Catholic?
One can certainly see how some of the RC practices during the service might aid transmission. Both the sign of peace and the sharing of the communal cup are ready made for rapid, large scale transmission. In theory one infected priest or altar server could pass the disease on to many more people than, for example, a GP.
Ireland have already stopped such practices but I have not heard if Spain and Italy have done so.
RC’s have an obligation to go to Rome so maybe that’s why more Spaniards go?
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
Why pay a penny? Does anyone think Priti Patel is going to be let go over this? We're not running a May-style 'The Home Secretary's cat sneezed so she must resign' Government any more...
You might want to acquaint yourself with why Patel was sacked by Mrs May. What she did was rather more serious than your rather frivolous cat-sneezing comment implies.
The bullying allegations, if true, are serious. If true.
The rather more serious, to my mind anyway, allegation which has surfaced in the press, though interestingly not in the Rutnam statement yesterday, is the suggestion that the Minister may have asked her civil servants to carry out illegal actions. Again, we don’t know whether this is true.
The practical reason for reaching a settlement is that fighting such cases takes up a lot of time, discovery and statements risk revealing all sorts of stuff which may prove problematic and the last thing anyone sensible should want is Ministers and civil servants appearing in court. At a time when the Home Office has - and will have - plenty on its hands, far better to reach a settlement.
In that case, you're right that a settlement is probably the pragmatic solution, although it's not clear that one will be accepted in this case.
As for 'bullying' by the Home Secretary being serious - please. In political terms, many of the people who voted for the Government are delighted that we finally have a Home Secretary who is going to be looking after our priorities for a change and is not willing to take any shit in getting them done.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
That means most if not all will be wearing them then Richard
HYUFD you may well be correct, BUT edmundintokyo initially put an argument forward which you challenged by arguing there have been no deaths on UK ace the statement with a notation and convert it into logical format. It removes the subjectivity of your and Edmunds opinion .
I am not saying you are wrong in your original statement. You may be right and a logical argument can be made. But you aren't making it and you rarely do.
This isn't a presentation issue or an opinion. As someone who has studied logic it is very frustrating to see. We can differ in opinion on stuff and on many things there is no provable right answer, but the argument needs to follow logic rules which are a matter of mathematical fact.
Except clearly we are not waiting until it is too late, as confirmed by the fact our coronavirus testing rate is also well above average, there is nothing remotely illogical about that and I will stick to my guns
HYUFD you are missing the point. I am not saying you are wrong. You may well be completely correct. I don't know. It is a matter of opinion.
As stated earlier try using notation to remove the subjectivity of the argument. Here goes:
ET says 'A' HYUFD say 'B' which implies 'Not A' ET says 'C' does not imply 'B' which therefore implies 'Not A' is not necessarily True
So far a logical argument between the tow of you, but now
HYUFD says 'B' which implies 'Not A' using different words.
So you haven't responded to ET last opinion at all but repeated your previous opinion. This is no longer a logical argument but has gone circular. Hence I assume ET dropping out and his comment prior to that of him wasting his time.
You are both entitled to your different opinions and having a logical argument at them and you you may be correct, but you don't argue it logically.
This is not a mathemical logic class this is a political blog, I say what I think and if you don't like it tough
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
Why pay a penny? Does anyone think Priti Patel is going to be let go over this? We're not running a May-style 'The Home Secretary's cat sneezed so she must resign' Government any more...
You might want to acquaint yourself with why Patel was sacked by Mrs May. What she did was rather more serious than your rather frivolous cat-sneezing comment implies.
The bullying allegations, if true, are serious. If true.
The rather more serious, to my mind anyway, allegation which has surfaced in the press, though interestingly not in the Rutnam statement yesterday, is the suggestion that the Minister may have asked her civil servants to carry out illegal actions. Again, we don’t know whether this is true.
The practical reason for reaching a settlement is that fighting such cases takes up a lot of time, discovery and statements risk revealing all sorts of stuff which may prove problematic and the last thing anyone sensible should want is Ministers and civil servants appearing in court. At a time when the Home Office has - and will have - plenty on its hands, far better to reach a settlement.
In that case, you're right that a settlement is probably the pragmatic solution, although it's not clear that one will be accepted in this case.
As for 'bullying' by the Home Secretary being serious - please. In political terms, many of the people who voted for the Government are delighted that we finally have a Home Secretary who is going to be looking after our priorities for a change and is not willing to take any shit in getting them done.
I expect there will be a day when you as enthusiastically praise the Prime Minister for his decisiveness in dismissing Priti Patel.
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
Why pay a penny? Does anyone think Priti Patel is going to be let go over this? We're not running a May-style 'The Home Secretary's cat sneezed so she must resign' Government any more...
You might want to acquaint yourself with why Patel was sacked by Mrs May. What she did was rather more serious than your rather frivolous cat-sneezing comment implies.
The bullying allegations, if true, are serious. If true.
The rather more serious, to my mind anyway, allegation which has surfaced in the press, though interestingly not in the Rutnam statement yesterday, is the suggestion that the Minister may have asked her civil servants to carry out illegal actions. Again, we don’t know whether this is true.
The practical reason for reaching a settlement is that fighting such cases takes up a lot of time, discovery and statements risk revealing all sorts of stuff which may prove problematic and the last thing anyone sensible should want is Ministers and civil servants appearing in court. At a time when the Home Office has - and will have - plenty on its hands, far better to reach a settlement.
In that case, you're right that a settlement is probably the pragmatic solution, although it's not clear that one will be accepted in this case.
As for 'bullying' by the Home Secretary being serious - please. In political terms, many of the people who voted for the Government are delighted that we finally have a Home Secretary who is going to be looking after our priorities for a change and is not willing to take any shit in getting them done.
Many also think that lying nasty pieces of work, regardless of who they are or what role they fulfill, who will stoop to anything legal or not to get their own way is not the way the country should be governed. If what he says has happened then this country is in a worse state than even imagined.
Another book aside: one thing I like about physical books is just reading a tiny amount when waiting for a scan to finish or a DLC to download, or even during advert breaks. Not so fond of switching a Kindle off and on or leaving it on for an hour but only using it for 10 minutes during that time.
Dead heat for BIden and Sanders against Trump in SC yet again. Not good for Biden after his supposed great victory there.
Though, as you’ll note, the poll was conducted before that, not after.
Good point. As mentioned below, Trump should win there and Missouri. The problem for BIden is that Sanders still looks strong in multiple other states where, if he was the clear "unrealistic dream" candidate, Biden would now be able to point his commanding lead there. The fact that he can't weakens his entire pragmatic brand, and which then doesn't self-perpetuate for other states on Super Tuesday.
Absolutely right - the Left can't stand the fact that a member of one of the groups they claim as their eternal clients has both risen to a position of power and is using it to resist their precious ideology.
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead this week for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
We dont trust children to do a lot of things, it would seem odd to trust such a huge decision to them.
I do sometimes think that gender stereotypes are too strong in childhood, with toys and clothes too rigidly defined. It seems to be impossible to be a boy who likes pink or sparkly things, or a girl who likes military stuff. There is no need to conform to an external gender to like this stuff. The world has long had a history of arty, dandy men, and the opposite in women.
Despite the best efforts of my brother and sister in law my niece and nephew quickly settled on the stereotypical toys & colours! Some things (like sexuality) appear to be hardwired.
Toys are 100% socialised, they are not hardwired. Peer group has a massive effect on the toys children play with.
This was our experience. Our daughter started Primary School playing with trains and fighting lions, but a week later it was all horses, unicorns and pegasi.
It varies from child to child. Some are more socially adaptable than others. My eldest has been pink and princesses from a very early age.
My youngest isn't bothered by princesses but loves Toy Story. She has a Buzz Lightyear bike and her next favourite is trains. When I picked her up from nursery on Friday she was playing with the train set.
You stupid halfwit , they have to use the fake made up Westminster numbers which are as bent as the Tories. There are 167 estimates in there and fact they have Scotland as responsible for about 70% of UK borrowing shows how bent they are. I can safely say without even knowing you that you are a stupid unthinking unionist halfwit who is unable to have an original thought , run off back to the flock.
Philip, get a grip, how do you explain England with 85% of the population borrowing money and trying to pretend that almost 70% of it is borrowed for Scotland with less than 10% of the population. Not even a cretin would try to promote that one.
We know that spending per capita is higher in Scotland. At an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would be possible to have Scotland responsible for 100% of the borrowing and England 0%. Equally at an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would also be possible to have England responsible for 100% of the borrowing and Scotland 0%.
What we know is the numbers are well fudged and that almost all spending is in the south of England. No matter how you dress it up , Scotland does not borrow a penny , England via Westminster borrows all the money , squanders it on itself and then tries to say it was all spent on Scotland. It is complete bollox. Why don't you explain to me why 70% of the UK borrowing is said to be spent in Scotland, cite examples etc that you can show are real and I don't mean 12% of Crossrail or suchlike.
I've never seen Crossrail included within Scottish expenditure. If you can show me that then fair enough.
Examples: 1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees. 2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions. 3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
We will pay more for HS2 than that will cost, we paid a % of the bribe to the DUP and you could go on forever on the infrastructure we pay for in south of England , which is not reciprocated if money is spent in Scotland.
New Fears Over Virus’s Spread in Washington State Findings based on an analysis of two infections suggest that the coronavirus may have been in the state for weeks and that hundreds may already have been infected.
You stupid halfwit , they have to use the fake made up Westminster numbers which are as bent as the Tories. There are 167 estimates in there and fact they have Scotland as responsible for about 70% of UK borrowing shows how bent they are. I can safely say without even knowing you that you are a stupid unthinking unionist halfwit who is unable to have an original thought , run off back to the flock.
Philip, get a grip, how do you explain England with 85% of the population borrowing money and trying to pretend that almost 70% of it is borrowed for Scotland with less than 10% of the population. Not even a cretin would try to promote that one.
We know that spending per capita is higher in Scotland. At an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would be possible to have Scotland responsible for 100% of the borrowing and England 0%. Equally at an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would also be possible to have England responsible for 100% of the borrowing and Scotland 0%.
What we know is the numbers are well fudged and that almost all spending is in the south of England. No matter how you dress it up , Scotland does not borrow a penny , England via Westminster borrows all the money , squanders it on itself and then tries to say it was all spent on Scotland. It is complete bollox. Why don't you explain to me why 70% of the UK borrowing is said to be spent in Scotland, cite examples etc that you can show are real and I don't mean 12% of Crossrail or suchlike.
I've never seen Crossrail included within Scottish expenditure. If you can show me that then fair enough.
Examples: 1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees. 2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions. 3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
We will pay more for HS2 than that will cost, we paid a % of the bribe to the DUP and you could go on forever on the infrastructure we pay for in south of England , which is not reciprocated if money is spent in Scotland.
[Citation Needed]
My understudy Barnett consequentials take care of that.
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
Why pay a penny? Does anyone think Priti Patel is going to be let go over this? We're not running a May-style 'The Home Secretary's cat sneezed so she must resign' Government any more...
You might want to acquaint yourself with why Patel was sacked by Mrs May. What she did was rather more serious than your rather frivolous cat-sneezing comment implies.
The bullying allegations, if true, are serious. If true.
The rather more serious, to my mind anyway, allegation which has surfaced in the press, though interestingly not in the Rutnam statement yesterday, is the suggestion that the Minister may have asked her civil servants to carry out illegal actions. Again, we don’t know whether this is true.
The practical reason for reaching a settlement is that fighting such cases takes up a lot of time, discovery and statements risk revealing all sorts of stuff which may prove problematic and the last thing anyone sensible should want is Ministers and civil servants appearing in court. At a time when the Home Office has - and will have - plenty on its hands, far better to reach a settlement.
In that case, you're right that a settlement is probably the pragmatic solution, although it's not clear that one will be accepted in this case.
As for 'bullying' by the Home Secretary being serious - please. In political terms, many of the people who voted for the Government are delighted that we finally have a Home Secretary who is going to be looking after our priorities for a change and is not willing to take any shit in getting them done.
I expect there will be a day when you as enthusiastically praise the Prime Minister for his decisiveness in dismissing Priti Patel.
Nope - dismissing her over this petty nonsense would be a political mistake. Happy to say so now and repeat it later if it happens.
I'm picking up vibes from Marr that the government is going to make a catastrophic mistake and go for a keep calm and carry on model and not a lock down model. Oh dear.
There are consequences of lockdown which will impact on the health and wellbeing of citizens as well though. And if measures taken by the Government are not accepted by the populous as proportionate, then they will likely be widely flouted and potentially counterproductive.
One thing that the Japanese government has done (after waiting until people died) that AFAIK the British government hasn't done yet (I guess they'll do it once enough people have died) is to *ask* - not require - for people to work from home where practical and scale back large events that bring a lot of people in close proximity to each other.
These are very low cost, because a lot of people could go ahead and work from home fine if they didn't feel like they were being melodramatic for doing it, and if the thing carries on spreading as expected it'll have that effect on event attendance anyway, so it's better to scale stuff back sooner rather than later.
One problem with scaling back on large events is that they are often ‘vanity’ projects to project national success etc. they also have huge financial impact on those organizing them and those who stand to make money from it. Valencia have said the Fallas is going ahead which will have thousands of people from all over in the streets for four days despite 15 cases detected. As you say though the general public could well just avoid the event if they are concerned. Would be interested in seeing if football attendances we’re down yesterday in UK
Geneva motor show was called off a couple of days ago. They were expecting half a million visitors over the week, that will be a massive dent in the economy - although insurance will undoubtedly cover some of it, and a fair few people with no insurance will visit the city anyway if the airlines don’t cancel their flights.
Our events insurance does not cover epidemics. I don't think policies generally do. It's an act of God kind of thing.
There’s going to be a lot of people checking insurance policy wording very carefully at the moment.
Many will realise belatedly that there’s a Force Majure or Act of God clause in there somewhere, so if the government ban large gatherings to contain an epidemic then they’re out of luck.
Absolutely right - the Left can't stand the fact that a member of one of the groups they claim as their eternal clients has both risen to a position of power and is using it to resist their precious ideology.
Of course there are some like that. But plenty of lefties also hate Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Duncan Smith et al.
Most people who dislike her dislike her because of her attitude and politics not her race and gender. Some who dislike her race and dont respect her gender will pile in on top. That shouldnt stop those who have legitimate criticisms for making them.
Absolutely right - the Left can't stand the fact that a member of one of the groups they claim as their eternal clients has both risen to a position of power and is using it to resist their precious ideology.
Not at all. If she is a bully as has been alleged that is unacceptable whatever her background. If the allegations against Bercow are true that is equally unacceptable.
If in PPs case the bullying is unfounded she has every right to continue. If they are proven she must go.
'Basic disaster income' suggested http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=285364 Saying it is a matter of life and death, Lee urged the government to provide 500,000 won to each citizen under the name of a "basic income for disaster."
"Marginalized small business owners, freelancers, irregular workers, students and 10 million unemployed people need a minimum income to buy face masks, pay rent, take care of children and have even a cheap meal like ramen," he said.
Lee said the planned government measures to revive the economy ― for example, cutting special consumption taxes for vehicle purchases, supporting paid leave for employees who need to take care of their children at home, and deducting income tax ― are not a fit for the virus-caused economic crisis and do not help those people mentioned above.
"We need measures to financially support the people who cannot hold on anymore," he said, adding that a 10 trillion won to 20 trillion won extra budget would cover the cost. "It will be the budget to save people."
People showed positive reactions to the petition....
He may still decide to hang around till Wednesday though.
It is stunning to me the Dems don't have a Bill Clinton or Obama type figure this time around but that could be because such a potential candidate has been crowded out.
New Fears Over Virus’s Spread in Washington State Findings based on an analysis of two infections suggest that the coronavirus may have been in the state for weeks and that hundreds may already have been infected.
Here's the scientist that made the link. It's an extremely worrying bit of news.
Given Roman Britain was part of a version of a unified Europe I would have thought Mary Beard was a perfect fit for a trustee at the British Museum. Downing Street are being petty and stupid.
Matt Beard has a late night arts discussion show on BBC2 on Friday nights, and she and the guests have a glass of wine as they chat. Lovely I think
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
"My wife's been coughing and sneezing all day but you won't catch me wearing one of those masks, like, because I'm real hard, me".
Or because the evidence is that masks dont do much if anything?* Those pesky experts interfering again.
* To stop catching it, as opposed to spreading it. In the above scenario the wife wearing the mask instead would make more sense as I understand it.
New Fears Over Virus’s Spread in Washington State Findings based on an analysis of two infections suggest that the coronavirus may have been in the state for weeks and that hundreds may already have been infected.
We will see how a pandemic develops in a developed country without universal healthcare.
Except clearly we are not waiting until it is too late, as confirmed by the fact our coronavirus testing rate is also well above average, there is nothing remotely illogical about that and I will stick to my guns
HYUFD you are missing the point. I am not saying you are wrong. You may well be completely correct. I don't know. It is a matter of opinion.
As stated earlier try using notation to remove the subjectivity of the argument. Here goes:
ET says 'A' HYUFD say 'B' which implies 'Not A' ET says 'C' does not imply 'B' which therefore implies 'Not A' is not necessarily True
So far a logical argument between the tow of you, but now
HYUFD says 'B' which implies 'Not A' using different words.
So you haven't responded to ET last opinion at all but repeated your previous opinion. This is no longer a logical argument but has gone circular. Hence I assume ET dropping out and his comment prior to that of him wasting his time.
You are both entitled to your different opinions and having a logical argument at them and you you may be correct, but you don't argue it logically.
This is not a mathemical logic class this is a political blog, I say what I think and if you don't like it tough
Sigh! I don't dislike what you say; it is often of great interest. And of course you should say what you think, which is the point of the site, but if you are going to argue with someone you have to do it logically. If you don't, then even when you are right the point is lost.
You are correct you don't have to resort to maths. Most arguments use only the simplest of mathematical logic. I used the maths to take out the subjective opinion so it could be seen the argument does not hang together.
Maybe an analogy by me would be better: e.g Dogs have 4 legs does not imply things with 4 legs are dogs is a classic analogy to show an irrational argument.
The application of logic to a fact produces a fact.
Illogical deductions from a fact produces something that may now no longer be a fact.
The application of logic to an opinion still only produces an opinion, but will be correct if the original opinion is correct.
An illogical deduction from an opinion produces something worthless (although it may still be correct)
You stupid halfwit , they have to use the fake made up Westminster numbers which are as bent as the Tories. There are 167 estimates in there and fact they have Scotland as responsible for about 70% of UK borrowing shows how bent they are. I can safely say without even knowing you that you are a stupid unthinking unionist halfwit who is unable to have an original thought , run off back to the flock.
Philip, get a grip, how do you explain England with 85% of the population borrowing money and trying to pretend that almost 70% of it is borrowed for Scotland with less than 10% of the population. Not even a cretin would try to promote that one.
We know that spending per capita is higher in Scotland. At an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would be possible to have Scotland responsible for 100% of the borrowing and England 0%. Equally at an extreme edge case [ignoring NI and Wales] it would also be possible to have England responsible for 100% of the borrowing and Scotland 0%.
What we know is the numbers are well fudged and that almost all spending is in the south of England. No matter how you dress it up , Scotland does not borrow a penny , England via Westminster borrows all the money , squanders it on itself and then tries to say it was all spent on Scotland. It is complete bollox. Why don't you explain to me why 70% of the UK borrowing is said to be spent in Scotland, cite examples etc that you can show are real and I don't mean 12% of Crossrail or suchlike.
I've never seen Crossrail included within Scottish expenditure. If you can show me that then fair enough.
Examples: 1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees. 2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions. 3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
We will pay more for HS2 than that will cost, we paid a % of the bribe to the DUP and you could go on forever on the infrastructure we pay for in south of England , which is not reciprocated if money is spent in Scotland.
The argument over cash flows is contested, and muddled, as it depends a great deal in what date you start from, but you certainly have a point, malcolm.
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead this week for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
We dont trust children to do a lot of things, it would seem odd to trust such a huge decision to them.
I do sometimes think that gender stereotypes are too strong in childhood, with toys and clothes too rigidly defined. It seems to be impossible to be a boy who likes pink or sparkly things, or a girl who likes military stuff. There is no need to conform to an external gender to like this stuff. The world has long had a history of arty, dandy men, and the opposite in women.
Despite the best efforts of my brother and sister in law my niece and nephew quickly settled on the stereotypical toys & colours! Some things (like sexuality) appear to be hardwired.
Toys are 100% socialised, they are not hardwired. Peer group has a massive effect on the toys children play with.
This was our experience. Our daughter started Primary School playing with trains and fighting lions, but a week later it was all horses, unicorns and pegasi.
Many of the specifics of peer group pressure are really corporate pressure, but differences in the socialisation of the two sexes are hardwired - including when they act through parents and peers. The same differences are hardwired in the parents and peers too, as anthropological invariants, whatever the current fashion in this extremely short and messed-up period of western culture might suggest. Donald Brown's list of universals is useful. (Note: I do not buy all of what Steven Pinker builds on this.) Asking "Why shouldn't a little boy be allowed to play with pink stuff and models of fairies all the time if he wants to?" is an excruciatingly annoying teenage question.
Given Roman Britain was part of a version of a unified Europe I would have thought Mary Beard was a perfect fit for a trustee at the British Museum. Downing Street are being petty and stupid.
Matt Beard has a late night arts discussion show on BBC2 on Friday nights, and she and the guests have a glass of wine as they chat. Lovely I think
The Guardian article linked to mentions that Beard bested Boris in a Greece versus Rome debate. Just over 20 minutes in, we find Boris wearing his glasses skewed at a Corbynesque angle voicing For the many, not the few! https://youtu.be/2k448JqQyj8?t=1355
As I said on earlier threads, Boris won the election by being a better Jeremy Corbyn, not a better Cameron or May. Tbh, I was thinking of policies not spectacles.
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead this week for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
We dont trust children to do a lot of things, it would seem odd to trust such a huge decision to them.
I do sometimes think that gender stereotypes are too strong in childhood, with toys and clothes too rigidly defined. It seems to be impossible to be a boy who likes pink or sparkly things, or a girl who likes military stuff. There is no need to conform to an external gender to like this stuff. The world has long had a history of arty, dandy men, and the opposite in women.
Despite the best efforts of my brother and sister in law my niece and nephew quickly settled on the stereotypical toys & colours! Some things (like sexuality) appear to be hardwired.
Toys are 100% socialised, they are not hardwired. Peer group has a massive effect on the toys children play with.
This was our experience. Our daughter started Primary School playing with trains and fighting lions, but a week later it was all horses, unicorns and pegasi.
It varies from child to child. Some are more socially adaptable than others. My eldest has been pink and princesses from a very early age.
My youngest isn't bothered by princesses but loves Toy Story. She has a Buzz Lightyear bike and her next favourite is trains. When I picked her up from nursery on Friday she was playing with the train set.
That's exactly what I would like to see emphasised - the variation between individuals is greater than the variation between the sexes.
So if a specific child enjoys princesses then that is due to that child, more than it is evidence of an immutable chromosome-determined preference for princesses.
I’ve started to lay Trump for the 2020 next POTUS at 1.75. His government’s handling of the Coronavirus issue has been appalling so far. Hard to see his price not drifting as the crisis unfolds.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
"My wife's been coughing and sneezing all day but you won't catch me wearing one of those masks, like, because I'm real hard, me".
Unless you are wearing them as a fashion statement, masks are completely useless. There have been virologists and health experts all over the media repeating this for days now.
Like I said their only real purpose is to identify the ignorant. You seem to be a prime example of this.
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead this week for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
We dont trust children to do a lot of things, it would seem odd to trust such a huge decision to them.
I do sometimes think that gender stereotypes are too strong in childhood, with toys and clothes too rigidly defined. It seems to be impossible to be a boy who likes pink or sparkly things, or a girl who likes military stuff. There is no need to conform to an external gender to like this stuff. The world has long had a history of arty, dandy men, and the opposite in women.
Despite the best efforts of my brother and sister in law my niece and nephew quickly settled on the stereotypical toys & colours! Some things (like sexuality) appear to be hardwired.
Toys are 100% socialised, they are not hardwired. Peer group has a massive effect on the toys children play with.
This was our experience. Our daughter started Primary School playing with trains and fighting lions, but a week later it was all horses, unicorns and pegasi.
It varies from child to child. Some are more socially adaptable than others. My eldest has been pink and princesses from a very early age.
My youngest isn't bothered by princesses but loves Toy Story. She has a Buzz Lightyear bike and her next favourite is trains. When I picked her up from nursery on Friday she was playing with the train set.
That's exactly what I would like to see emphasised - the variation between individuals is greater than the variation between the sexes.
So if a specific child enjoys princesses then that is due to that child, more than it is evidence of an immutable chromosome-determined preference for princesses.
It goes both ways. I know many boys who would not want to play prince or princess but when I was young I was as happy playing with girls as boys. If a girl was playing princess I was happy to be her prince. To me playing Prince Charming to a Princess never made me think about sexuality questions. Kids should be kids and some people over think it.
He may still decide to hang around till Wednesday though.
It is stunning to me the Dems don't have a Bill Clinton or Obama type figure this time around but that could be because such a potential candidate has been crowded out.
Biden entering absolutely screwed the race.
If Biden hadn't stood the Sherrod Brown would be cruising to an uncontroversial nomination procession with Warren and Bernie splitting the left vote.
Biden just stole all the oxygen from potential mainstream candidates leaving fringe people like Yang, Buttigieg and O'Rorke (remember him) to run.
I thought Mary Beard was persona non grata among the woke brigade these days, because in their opinion her outdated colonial / racist views of Africa?
No idea but if so then perhaps the woke brigade has yet to capture the museum but has installed itself in Number 10, Downing Street, London SW1.
Just thought it was interesting, that some people get a pass on their previous comments and others don't.
I bet if #10 had agreed a Brexit supporter who had made similar comments on Africa, I expect the Guardian would be calling for them to stand down, claiming how can we have somebody with such outdated racist views on such a board.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
"My wife's been coughing and sneezing all day but you won't catch me wearing one of those masks, like, because I'm real hard, me".
Unless you are wearing them as a fashion statement, masks are completely useless. There have been virologists and health experts all over the media repeating this for days now.
Like I said their only real purpose is to identify the ignorant. You seem to be a prime example of this.
That depends upon the circumstances.
In the circumstance @Henrietta2 describes it would make more sense for the wife to wear the mask than the husband if one was available.
I’ve started to lay Trump for the 2020 next POTUS at 1.75. His government’s handling of the Coronavirus issue has been appalling so far. Hard to see his price not drifting as the crisis unfolds.
Careful though. Which narrative will triumph? Americans became ill because Trump put Mike Pence in charge, or because the Dems stopped Trump building walls to keep germ-ridden foreigners out?
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael combined still higher on 38% though
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael *combined* on 38% is incredibly low polling. When was the last time that Conservative and Labour combined had 38% or lower? I'm guessing it was before the Labour Party became the official opposition.
He may still decide to hang around till Wednesday though.
It is stunning to me the Dems don't have a Bill Clinton or Obama type figure this time around but that could be because such a potential candidate has been crowded out.
Biden entering absolutely screwed the race.
If Biden hadn't stood the Sherrod Brown would be cruising to an uncontroversial nomination procession with Warren and Bernie splitting the left vote.
Biden just stole all the oxygen from potential mainstream candidates leaving fringe people like Yang, Buttigieg and O'Rorke (remember him) to run.
Brown was a coward for not entering. The way to get oxygen is to enter yourself not hide and wait for everyone else to stand aside.
A friend in Guayacuil, Ecuador, told me yesterday that the only people out and about in that city were stocking up on food and medicine in preparation for hunkering down. The total number of cases reported in Ecuador at that time was one.
In Britain, a change will occur when figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and members of the royal family (if any royals remain in the country) start wearing masks in public. Such symbolism is extremely powerful. For obvious reasons, some public figures may be instructed to hold back until masks are near-universally available. Whether they will be able to hold ranks is unclear.
Given that the only thing wearing a mask does is mark you out as extremely ignorant, I somehow doubt we will see much of that amongst public figures - at least not those with any sense.
"My wife's been coughing and sneezing all day but you won't catch me wearing one of those masks, like, because I'm real hard, me".
Unless you are wearing them as a fashion statement, masks are completely useless. There have been virologists and health experts all over the media repeating this for days now.
Like I said their only real purpose is to identify the ignorant. You seem to be a prime example of this.
That depends upon the circumstances.
In the circumstance @Henrietta2 describes it would make more sense for the wife to wear the mask than the husband if one was available.
True it would help a little. But that is not what is being done, nor what Henrietta2 was suggesting.
Re Face masks, this doesn't really help...Two pages on the Guardian website basically saying the opposite thing.
So what is the best protection against picking up the virus? In particular, how useful are face masks? Doctors say that there is little evidence that masks protect wearers from infection.
masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is the main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly five-fold protection versus no barrier.
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
I haven't seen Old Rog on here for ages. There wasn't even the yearly post on the one thing he can usually predict correctly, the Oscars.
Re Face masks, this doesn't really help...Two pages on the Guardian website basically saying the opposite thing.
So what is the best protection against picking up the virus? In particular, how useful are face masks? Doctors say that there is little evidence that masks protect wearers from infection.
masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is the main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly five-fold protection versus no barrier.
Moderna (NASDAQ: MRNA) and Gilead Sciences (NASDAQ: GILD) are two biotech stocks developing potential COVID-19 treatments right now. Gilead is using its former Ebola drug, remdesivir, while Moderna has developed a new mRNA-based vaccine. Both treatments have begun human clinical trials.
He may still decide to hang around till Wednesday though.
It is stunning to me the Dems don't have a Bill Clinton or Obama type figure this time around but that could be because such a potential candidate has been crowded out.
Biden entering absolutely screwed the race.
If Biden hadn't stood the Sherrod Brown would be cruising to an uncontroversial nomination procession with Warren and Bernie splitting the left vote.
Biden just stole all the oxygen from potential mainstream candidates leaving fringe people like Yang, Buttigieg and O'Rorke (remember him) to run.
Brown was a coward for not entering. The way to get oxygen is to enter yourself not hide and wait for everyone else to stand aside.
It was deeply strange, he did everything short of actually declaring he was running, he set up an exploratory Committee, opened some offices and then... Nothing.
I had identified and lumped on him early so particularly annoyed by his in-action.
Re Face masks, this doesn't really help...Two pages on the Guardian website basically saying the opposite thing.
So what is the best protection against picking up the virus? In particular, how useful are face masks? Doctors say that there is little evidence that masks protect wearers from infection.
masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is the main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly five-fold protection versus no barrier.
Yes, the advice is absurdly conflicting. I've read a lot on all issues related to Coronavirus and what I've gleaned is; masks are definitely beneficial, if not necessary, if you are yourself a carrier: to stop you spreading it.
They are less beneficial, but still useful, if you wish to avoid infection. The problem is that few people use them correctly. So read the instructions.
The underlying issue is that governments want to discourage public mask use: because it means they might run out of masks needed for health workers, police, etc
My understanding is the other big issue with face masks is normal members of the public don't know how to use them properly i.e. they don't fit them correctly, they constantly re-adjust them, they wear them for too long. And in doing so they at best don't assist and at worst actually build up bacteria.
I was in London a couple of weeks ago next to a somebody "wearing" a mask. I think they must have taken if off and on, re-adjusted, etc at least 10 times in half an hour.
Scientists started work on drugs to treat coronaviruses during the SARS and MERS outbreaks, but because the outbreaks died down, the job was never completed. Now, they’re able to dust off that old research and start building on it. The leading candidate is a drug called remdesivir, which was developed by the pharmaceutical company Gilead. Research showed that it could block SARS and MERS in cells and in mice. In addition, remdesivir was used in a clinical trial looking for treatments for Ebola — and therefore, it had already gone through safety testing to make sure it doesn’t cause any harm.
That’s why teams in China and the US were able to start clinical trials testing remdesivir in COVID-19 patients so quickly. There should be data available showing if it helps them get better as soon as April. If it proves effective, Gilead would presumably be able to ramp up production and get the drug in the hands of doctors fairly quickly, Krammer says.
Much of the children's market has been cynically manipulated to make the girls' products and the boys' products as gender specific as possible, hence the almost ubiquitous pastel and pink coulouring for girls products. The marketing theory is that this cuts down the opportunity for passing on toys and clothes within a family, which leads to higher sales. I have no idea, whether this theory actually works.
The Mail links to a Telegraph story -- first rule of journalism: read the papers -- but this French historian Casali seems to take the Govesque view of history that its purpose is to boost the national mythology.
I wonder what evidence Sir Philip Rutnam has of bullying. And how much it will be considered worth paying for it not to be aired in public proceedings.
I would be very surprised if this ended up in court for exactly the reason you identify.
AFAIK The last case of this type - the Head of Prisons, decided to settle when it was pointed out if he lost he could end up with the government’s costs.
Also the chronology is off - the anti-Patel briefing preceded the anti-Rutnam briefing - who then issued a joint statement with Patel saying they were “getting on with the job”.
Rutnam, or his proxies may be as much involved as Patel or her proxies.
Since the European Union breaks the Austrian State Treaty - which forbids any kind of political merger/union/association/anchluss between Austria and Germany, the UK should get its Occupation Zone in Austria back.
1. The Allied and Associated Powers declare that political or economic union between Austria and Germany is prohibited. Austria fully recognises its responsibilities in this matter and shall not enter into political or economic union with Germany in any form whatsoever.
2. In order to prevent such union Austria shall not conclude any agreement with Germany, nor do any act, nor take any measures likely, directly or indirectly, to promote political or economic union with Germany, or to impair its territorial integrity or political or economic independence. Austria further undertakes to prevent within its territory any act likely, directly or indirectly, to promote such union and shall prevent the existence, resurgence and activities of any organisations having as their aim political or economic union with Germany, and pan-German propaganda in favour of union with Germany."
Absolutely right - the Left can't stand the fact that a member of one of the groups they claim as their eternal clients has both risen to a position of power and is using it to resist their precious ideology.
My take from the Left on Priti Patel -
The problem with her is twofold. She is a reactionary numbskull. She is deceitful. Both these things are proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
It now seems likely that she is also a workplace bully - but this is not proven, not even close, and so I suspend judgement.
So, no, I'm not keen on Patel.
Now, do I dislike her more than is rational on account of her being a BAME woman? Do I view her as a traitorous, self-serving fraud? A sort of Auntie Tonia?
I think not. Instinctively it's a No. But that is a serious charge and it merits an internal audit of quite brutal thoroughness and honesty, so I will be carrying one out and reporting the results on here as soon as they are available.
It could be fake news, what makes me think it isn't is that all the videos and pictures exactly mirror the vids and pix that came out of Wuhan: people suddenly collapsing in the street, and so on.
Either there is a huge global conspiracy involving a brilliant movie studio, able to create these clips by the dozen, with hundreds of actors and extras, or most of them are real.
Sadly that’s completely consistent with other stories coming out of Iran. They’ve been spreading the virus all over the Middle East, turning up infected to a dozen other countries.
It could be fake news, what makes me think it isn't is that all the videos and pictures exactly mirror the vids and pix that came out of Wuhan: people suddenly collapsing in the street, and so on.
Either there is a huge global conspiracy involving a brilliant movie studio, able to create these clips by the dozen, with hundreds of actors and extras, or most of them are real.
What is going on in Iran? We can handwave explanations about elderly rulers and mass gatherings in mosques but these surely apply to any country in the region. Could there now be an element, not of fake news but of over-diagnosis especially if largely self-diagnosis (or less kindly, mass hysteria)?
You stupid halfwit , they have to use the fake made up Westminster numbers which are as bent as the Tories. There are 167 estimates in there and fact they have Scotland as responsible for about 70% of UK borrowing shows how bent they are. I can safely say without even knowing you that you are a stupid unthinking unionist halfwit who is unable to have an original thought , run off back to the flock.
Philip, get a grip, how do you explain England with 85% of the population borrowing money and trying to pretend that almost 70% of it is borrowed for Scotland with less than 10% of the population. Not even a cretin would try to promote that one.
What we know is the numbers are well fudged and that almost all spending is in the south of England. No matter how you dress it up , Scotland does not borrow a penny , England via Westminster borrows all the money , squanders it on itself and then tries to say it was all spent on Scotland. It is complete bollox. Why don't you explain to me why 70% of the UK borrowing is said to be spent in Scotland, cite examples etc that you can show are real and I don't mean 12% of Crossrail or suchlike.
I've never seen Crossrail included within Scottish expenditure. If you can show me that then fair enough.
Examples: 1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees. 2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions. 3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
We will pay more for HS2 than that will cost, we paid a % of the bribe to the DUP and you could go on forever on the infrastructure we pay for in south of England , which is not reciprocated if money is spent in Scotland.
[Citation Needed]
My understudy Barnett consequentials take care of that.
most of it is excluded as special spending so they don't have to pay barnett , it is crooked from start to finish
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
I haven't seen Old Rog on here for ages. There wasn't even the yearly post on the one thing he can usually predict correctly, the Oscars.
surprising the length of time since he posted , though people do disappear from time to time
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael combined still higher on 38% though
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael *combined* on 38% is incredibly low polling. When was the last time that Conservative and Labour combined had 38% or lower? I'm guessing it was before the Labour Party became the official opposition.
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
I haven't seen Old Rog on here for ages. There wasn't even the yearly post on the one thing he can usually predict correctly, the Oscars.
surprising the length of time since he posted , though people do disappear from time to time
Yep, that SeanT has been away for a while. Hope he's ok.
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
I haven't seen Old Rog on here for ages. There wasn't even the yearly post on the one thing he can usually predict correctly, the Oscars.
surprising the length of time since he posted , though people do disappear from time to time
Yep, that SeanT has been away for a while. Hope he's ok.
Scott also disappeared, he must have got a new job
The government really need to get this message out ASAP....
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
I'd wonder if most people even know what is meant by "a fever". But yes, Boris should be on the phone to @Roger to direct some public service adverts like during the AIDS crisis.
I haven't seen Old Rog on here for ages. There wasn't even the yearly post on the one thing he can usually predict correctly, the Oscars.
surprising the length of time since he posted , though people do disappear from time to time
Yep, that SeanT has been away for a while. Hope he's ok.
Scott also disappeared, he must have got a new job
I suspect the internal contradictions between his Unionism and his hatred of BJ and his ghastly crew became too much to bear, at least publicly on here.
C'mon ScottP, you know deep down which is the lesser of 2 evils.
Corona. I have heard it from someone I usually trust that in North Korea the approach being taken is to shoot dead anybody who has it.
The two nations that might survive coronavirus unscathed are North Korea - and Palestine.
Unlikely, as both rely on smuggling for a significant part of their economies. North Korea seems already to have had cases. Clearly they have the capacity to impose harsh quarantine measures, but otherwise, do they have the competence ?
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Ireland have already stopped such practices but I have not heard if Spain and Italy have done so.
It might be better to focus on specific issues eg giving orders to act illegally - if there is evidence of this.
Examples:
1. Scottish government paying for tuition fees.
2. Scottish government paying for prescriptions.
3. Scottish government paying for tampons.
As for 'bullying' by the Home Secretary being serious - please. In political terms, many of the people who voted for the Government are delighted that we finally have a Home Secretary who is going to be looking after our priorities for a change and is not willing to take any shit in getting them done.
If what he says has happened then this country is in a worse state than even imagined.
My youngest isn't bothered by princesses but loves Toy Story. She has a Buzz Lightyear bike and her next favourite is trains. When I picked her up from nursery on Friday she was playing with the train set.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
New Fears Over Virus’s Spread in Washington State
Findings based on an analysis of two infections suggest that the coronavirus may have been in the state for weeks and that hundreds may already have been infected.
My understudy Barnett consequentials take care of that.
https://twitter.com/osibt1123/status/1233700394087268352/photo/1
Many will realise belatedly that there’s a Force Majure or Act of God clause in there somewhere, so if the government ban large gatherings to contain an epidemic then they’re out of luck.
Most people who dislike her dislike her because of her attitude and politics not her race and gender. Some who dislike her race and dont respect her gender will pile in on top. That shouldnt stop those who have legitimate criticisms for making them.
If in PPs case the bullying is unfounded she has every right to continue. If they are proven she must go.
'Basic disaster income' suggested
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=285364
Saying it is a matter of life and death, Lee urged the government to provide 500,000 won to each citizen under the name of a "basic income for disaster."
"Marginalized small business owners, freelancers, irregular workers, students and 10 million unemployed people need a minimum income to buy face masks, pay rent, take care of children and have even a cheap meal like ramen," he said.
Lee said the planned government measures to revive the economy ― for example, cutting special consumption taxes for vehicle purchases, supporting paid leave for employees who need to take care of their children at home, and deducting income tax ― are not a fit for the virus-caused economic crisis and do not help those people mentioned above.
"We need measures to financially support the people who cannot hold on anymore," he said, adding that a 10 trillion won to 20 trillion won extra budget would cover the cost. "It will be the budget to save people."
People showed positive reactions to the petition....
* To stop catching it, as opposed to spreading it. In the above scenario the wife wearing the mask instead would make more sense as I understand it.
You are correct you don't have to resort to maths. Most arguments use only the simplest of mathematical logic. I used the maths to take out the subjective opinion so it could be seen the argument does not hang together.
Maybe an analogy by me would be better: e.g Dogs have 4 legs does not imply things with 4 legs are dogs is a classic analogy to show an irrational argument.
The application of logic to a fact produces a fact.
Illogical deductions from a fact produces something that may now no longer be a fact.
The application of logic to an opinion still only produces an opinion, but will be correct if the original opinion is correct.
An illogical deduction from an opinion produces something worthless (although it may still be correct)
Sadly, most European football and rugby stadia are likely to look the same pretty soon.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmpubacc/1751/175107.htm
In that Pacific North West area there is a very large Asian population. SARS was a big problem in Vancouver.
To me, it is totally unsurprising if the Seattle area has had Coronavirus for several weeks.
https://youtu.be/2k448JqQyj8?t=1355
As I said on earlier threads, Boris won the election by being a better Jeremy Corbyn, not a better Cameron or May. Tbh, I was thinking of policies not spectacles.
So if a specific child enjoys princesses then that is due to that child, more than it is evidence of an immutable chromosome-determined preference for princesses.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u8q4f
Like I said their only real purpose is to identify the ignorant. You seem to be a prime example of this.
If Biden hadn't stood the Sherrod Brown would be cruising to an uncontroversial nomination procession with Warren and Bernie splitting the left vote.
Biden just stole all the oxygen from potential mainstream candidates leaving fringe people like Yang, Buttigieg and O'Rorke (remember him) to run.
I bet if #10 had agreed a Brexit supporter who had made similar comments on Africa, I expect the Guardian would be calling for them to stand down, claiming how can we have somebody with such outdated racist views on such a board.
In the circumstance @Henrietta2 describes it would make more sense for the wife to wear the mask than the husband if one was available.
However, this strain of the coronavirus produces a fever and a dry cough but does not trigger runny noses or sneezing, as commonly occurs with flu.
Otherwise we really are going to have everybody with a cold turning up at A&E.
So what is the best protection against picking up the virus? In particular, how useful are face masks? Doctors say that there is little evidence that masks protect wearers from infection.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/coronavirus-outbreak-the-key-scientific-questions-answered
Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is the main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly five-fold protection versus no barrier.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/worse-than-flu-busting-coronavirus-myths
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1234075942189969408?s=20
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/fda-approves-coronavirus-tests-in-academic-laboratories-across-u.s.-2020-03-01
I had identified and lumped on him early so particularly annoyed by his in-action.
I was in London a couple of weeks ago next to a somebody "wearing" a mask. I think they must have taken if off and on, re-adjusted, etc at least 10 times in half an hour.
Scientists started work on drugs to treat coronaviruses during the SARS and MERS outbreaks, but because the outbreaks died down, the job was never completed. Now, they’re able to dust off that old research and start building on it. The leading candidate is a drug called remdesivir, which was developed by the pharmaceutical company Gilead. Research showed that it could block SARS and MERS in cells and in mice. In addition, remdesivir was used in a clinical trial looking for treatments for Ebola — and therefore, it had already gone through safety testing to make sure it doesn’t cause any harm.
That’s why teams in China and the US were able to start clinical trials testing remdesivir in COVID-19 patients so quickly. There should be data available showing if it helps them get better as soon as April. If it proves effective, Gilead would presumably be able to ramp up production and get the drug in the hands of doctors fairly quickly, Krammer says.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/28/21156385/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-treatment-moderna-remdesivir-research
Much of the children's market has been cynically manipulated to make the girls' products and the boys' products as gender specific as possible, hence the almost ubiquitous pastel and pink coulouring for girls products. The marketing theory is that this cuts down the opportunity for passing on toys and clothes within a family, which leads to higher sales. I have no idea, whether this theory actually works.
:Edited because the Blockqutes messed up
Oh, and apparently this campaign has been running for a year already.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitri_Casali
Also the chronology is off - the anti-Patel briefing preceded the anti-Rutnam briefing - who then issued a joint statement with Patel saying they were “getting on with the job”.
Rutnam, or his proxies may be as much involved as Patel or her proxies.
But in any event, you ought not to be wandering down to A&E if you do think you're infected.
https://www.dipublico.org/100823/state-treaty-with-annexes-and-maps-for-the-re-establishment-of-an-independent-and-democratic-austria-signed-at-vienna-on-15-may-1955/
"Article 4 Prohibition of Anschluss
1. The Allied and Associated Powers declare that political or economic union between Austria and Germany is prohibited. Austria fully recognises its responsibilities in this matter and shall not enter into political or economic union with Germany in any form whatsoever.
2. In order to prevent such union Austria shall not conclude any agreement with Germany, nor do any act, nor take any measures likely, directly or indirectly, to promote political or economic union with Germany, or to impair its territorial integrity or political or economic independence. Austria further undertakes to prevent within its territory any act likely, directly or indirectly, to promote such union and shall prevent the existence, resurgence and activities of any organisations having as their aim political or economic union with Germany, and pan-German propaganda in favour of union with Germany."
The problem with her is twofold. She is a reactionary numbskull. She is deceitful. Both these things are proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
It now seems likely that she is also a workplace bully - but this is not proven, not even close, and so I suspend judgement.
So, no, I'm not keen on Patel.
Now, do I dislike her more than is rational on account of her being a BAME woman? Do I view her as a traitorous, self-serving fraud? A sort of Auntie Tonia?
I think not. Instinctively it's a No. But that is a serious charge and it merits an internal audit of quite brutal thoroughness and honesty, so I will be carrying one out and reporting the results on here as soon as they are available.
Biden has a better shot of combining with others to get it. But he'd probably do even worse than Sanders at conciliating the losing side.
C'mon ScottP, you know deep down which is the lesser of 2 evils.
https://twitter.com/snigskitchen/status/1233751363764596740?s=20
North Korea seems already to have had cases. Clearly they have the capacity to impose harsh quarantine measures, but otherwise, do they have the competence ?