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Philip_Thompson

He should go when they send us Anne Sacoolas back.

Next thread.

DecrepiterJohnL

Have we really gone an hour with no posts?

Sandpit

Philip_Thompson said:

He should go when they send us Anne Sacoolas back.

Next thread.

Sounds like a fair swap.

TheScreamingEagles

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Have we really gone an hour with no posts?

Been prepping for the impending coronavirus pandemic.

TheScreamingEagles

Been a terrible day for Tom Watson.

He really shouldn’t get a peerage.

Philip_Thompson

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I resent your tone and can say absolutely Priti Patel would not get my vote for PM.

It is like saying I would back HYUFD for PM. They are both too right for me and the only reason I support Boris is that he is a liberal, apart from Brexit

On this I can give an absolute guarantee

Can you please answer my question earlier about why precisely she is "too right wing" when she has liberalised dramatically our (controlled elements of our) immigration policy?

You happily backed Theresa May who was banging on about how immigrants were a drain on this country and needed to see their numbers cut to the tens of thousands. Patel hasn't done that!

The strict rules on unskilled immigration is going to have a negative effect on the agriculture, care and hospitality sectors and cause problems for Scons

She is on the right of the party and I was not content with her behaviour last time she was in the cabinet

By the time a vacancy comes along I expect there will be several candidates that will eclipse Priti Patel

The rules on controlled immigration are less strict than they used to be. Cameron and May had stricter rules than Patel and Johnson are implementing for non-EU migrants. So how is that especially "right wing"?

Or is it the fact that EU citizens are being subject to the same standards as the rest of the world have been for many years that you find objectionable?

Andy_JS

O/T

"Why is the BBC promoting white identity politics?
Afua Hirsch’s new documentary looks terribly ill-conceived."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/20/why-is-the-bbc-promoting-white-identity-politics/

Morris_Dancer

FPT: On politicians spouting tosh:

a lot of that is because of the ruinous way our media works. Any disagreement is a split, or a challenge to authority. An interview is about scalp-hunting more than holding politicians to account.

The freedom of expression has been curtailed because anything else at all is reported as 'civil war' or 'dissent'. The way the media barely scrutinises legislation but is obsessed with personalities and a soap opera prism is wretched.

tlg86

TheScreamingEagles said:

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

Plenty of liberals in the USA were happy to be friends with a rapist.

Big_G_NorthWales

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I resent your tone and can say absolutely Priti Patel would not get my vote for PM.

It is like saying I would back HYUFD for PM. They are both too right for me and the only reason I support Boris is that he is a liberal, apart from Brexit

On this I can give an absolute guarantee

Can you please answer my question earlier about why precisely she is "too right wing" when she has liberalised dramatically our (controlled elements of our) immigration policy?

You happily backed Theresa May who was banging on about how immigrants were a drain on this country and needed to see their numbers cut to the tens of thousands. Patel hasn't done that!

The strict rules on unskilled immigration is going to have a negative effect on the agriculture, care and hospitality sectors and cause problems for Scons

She is on the right of the party and I was not content with her behaviour last time she was in the cabinet

By the time a vacancy comes along I expect there will be several candidates that will eclipse Priti Patel

The rules on controlled immigration are less strict than they used to be. Cameron and May had stricter rules than Patel and Johnson are implementing for non-EU migrants. So how is that especially "right wing"?

Or is it the fact that EU citizens are being subject to the same standards as the rest of the world have been for many years that you find objectionable?

She is not a politician I warm to and she is on the right of the party

I accept parts of the new policy are much better but the issue in the three sectors I mentioned and in Scotland are very real and will need to be addressed

I simply would not support her for PM and nothing will change in that respect

Richard_Nabavi

On topic: age, innit?

MikeSmithson

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Have we really gone an hour with no posts?

Apologies. I've been out all day and discovered that I cannot do something on my phone that I can do on my laptop so we got into an editing mess-up.

Big_G_NorthWales

On topic I have no doubt he should face the music and I did vote remain

TheScreamingEagles

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

Plenty of liberals in the USA were happy to be friends with a rapist.

Our Queen should have better standards than American liberals.

Then again you can afford to have low standards if you’re an unelected Head of State, you never have to face the voters, a bit like an EU President.

MikeSmithson

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: age, innit?

No. The split with those under 25 was 50%

Big_G_NorthWales

Trinity College Middlesbrough closed completely because of virus

Richard_Nabavi

MikeSmithson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On topic: age, innit?

No. The split with those under 25 was 50%

How odd.

IanB2

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Big_G_NorthWales

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

Big_G_NorthWales

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/Number10press/status/1232326463526969345?s=20

kinabalu

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT: On politicians spouting tosh:

a lot of that is because of the ruinous way our media works. Any disagreement is a split, or a challenge to authority. An interview is about scalp-hunting more than holding politicians to account.

The freedom of expression has been curtailed because anything else at all is reported as 'civil war' or 'dissent'. The way the media barely scrutinises legislation but is obsessed with personalities and a soap opera prism is wretched.

Totally. It's tedious and counter-productive.

Sandpit

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

OldKingCole

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

Philip_Thompson

FPT

stodge said:

The quality vs numbers question heads right to the heart of this question and the two principal facets of migration. There are migrants whose skills we need because we have insufficient here but that covers a gamut of areas from specialist professional disciplines to labouring (we have 3.6% unemployment and for all Patel's assertions about 8 million "economically inactive" people, are we going to drag the sick and the elderly onto building sites and teach them bricklaying? I think not).

Whether we like it or not, we have shortages at the high skills end and the low skills end. The former are generally welcomed with open arms, the latter less so but both contribute to economic growth so business would argue.

However, a decade and a half of low-skill migration from the EU hasn't been without its consequences and there's a trade off here between economic growth and social cohesion.

Slamming the door on low skill migration runs the risk of blunting economic growth and leading to wage inflation - you know that and I know that. If, however, in trying to maintain economic growth, the perception is the door is still open to mass immigration there will be a political price for Patel and Johnson to pay.

Indeed I want quality and furthermore I want quality economic growth too.

I'm not interested in economic growth for economic growth's sake, I want an increase in economic growth per capita. I am far from convinced that providing a never ending supply of unskilled labour leads to an improvement in economic growth per capita.

I am a firm believer in supply and demand and while I think it is beneficial to improve our supply of highly skilled people by as much as possible, I don't see what is wrong with letting supply and demand take care of low skilled labour.

If that means wage growth due to healthy competition of market forces then that is a good thing, much better than one size fits the entire country of minimum wage changes determining wages. Better than wage growth though is that it will also encourage automation and efficiency growth which leads to sustainable economic growth per capita.

Richard_Nabavi

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

kinabalu

I was a Remainer and I think Prince Andrew (85) should go if he can help.

But the point made earlier about the CIA woman driver is a good one.

Big_G_NorthWales

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Pulpstar

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Andy_JS

David Steel quits the LDs and the Lords.

AlastairMeeks

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

williamglenn

Just what we need.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1232343883096432642

Philip_Thompson

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Worst in your lifetime?

I didn't realise you were born after Theresa May had resigned, or Gordon Brown. Even my three year old daughter had a worse government in her lifetime.

OldKingCole

kinabalu said:

I was a Remainer and I think Prince Andrew (85) should go if he can help.

But the point made earlier about the CIA woman driver is a good one.

Surely that was often the point of going to the US. To avoid responsibility for one's actions. Certainly appears to be so for someone in my ancestry. Claimed to his descendants that, in 1850 or thereabouts, he was about to be 'called up' into the Army.
Off topic, but I'm sure one of our resident historians will advise me on whether there was conscription around that time.

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Well if I was editing PB today we would have had a thread on the degenerate member for Leigh.

MarqueeMark

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Philip_Thompson

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Well if I was editing PB today we would have had a thread on the degenerate member for Leigh.

I did worse when I was a student. Big f***ing deal.

OldKingCole

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Worst in your lifetime?

I didn't realise you were born after Theresa May had resigned, or Gordon Brown. Even my three year old daughter had a worse government in her lifetime.

There's considerable competition for the title of 'worst government' in my lifetime

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Well if I was editing PB today we would have had a thread on the degenerate member for Leigh.

"James Grundy dropped his trousers at a private event in the bar, with onlookers encouraging him to expose himself. The incident took place more than a decade before Grundy was elected as MP for Leigh"

I was expecting so much more.......

rcs1000

I believe the actual question was:

Should Prince Andrew go to the US to be questioned by the FBI in regards to the Jeffrey Epstein case, or should we just shoot him in the head and pretend he never existed?

So, I'm not sure that you can draw the conclusion in the header.

AlastairMeeks

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Well if I was editing PB today we would have had a thread on the degenerate member for Leigh.

The most startling aspect of that story for me was @malcolmg's implicit admission on a previous thread that he didn't always wear a kilt. No true Scotsman...

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

Richard_Nabavi

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Worst in your lifetime?

I didn't realise you were born after Theresa May had resigned, or Gordon Brown. Even my three year old daughter had a worse government in her lifetime.

The May government was middling, Brown was the worst before this one. But no government in the 50+ years I've been following politics. not even Brown's, has deliberately put fantasy at the centre of its offering, or threatened to renege on treaty commitments which it signed just a few weeks ago, or had 'fuck business' as its watchword.

rcs1000

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

Plenty of liberals in the USA were happy to be friends with a rapist.

Which US President boasted that he was going to rape his wife?

IanB2

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

A man who’s seen his majority go from 15,000 to 4,000 in four years.

TheScreamingEagles

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

Where is the thread about the Honorable member for Leigh ?

Well if I was editing PB today we would have had a thread on the degenerate member for Leigh.

I did worse when I was a student. Big f***ing deal.

I think my pun was subtle for you.

I'm glad I don't drink and that cameraphones weren't around when I was a student.

MarqueeMark

williamglenn said:

Just what we need.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1232343883096432642

"Burgon proposes ‘Tony Benn University of Political Education’"

- after focus groups preferrred it to "Gulag".

AramintaMoonbeamQC

williamglenn said:

Just what we need.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1232343883096432642

Strong 'Derek Zoolander School for Kids who don't read good' vibes here.

Richard_Nabavi

IanB2 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

A man who’s seen his majority go from 15,000 to 4,000 in four years.

Rather curious that he wasn't conscious of opinion in his constituency before now.

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

Deformed....how?

(Although they will be the talk of Rikers Island soon enough....)

TheScreamingEagles

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

IanB2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

Deformed....how?

(Although they will be the talk of Rikers Island soon enough....)

The Times didn't go into that level of detail.

Benpointer

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

He is "now conscious of opinion" in his seat? Was he unware of it before?

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

Deformed....how?

(Although they will be the talk of Rikers Island soon enough....)

The Times didn't go into that level of detail.

*reaches for Daily Star*

IanB2

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

Deformed....how?

(Although they will be the talk of Rikers Island soon enough....)

Google is your friend.

TheScreamingEagles

Why did I google 'Harvey Weinstein deformed genitals'?

@MarqueeMark - You'll find the answer to your question if you click this link.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/harvey-weinsteins-grim-genital-joke-21571369

Benpointer

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

IanB2

Benpointer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

He is "now conscious of opinion" in his seat? Was he unware of it before?

When his seat was safe, he didn’t need to care about it.

DecrepiterJohnL

Deleted. No time.

DavidL

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

Adventure in a petri dish. Heroic.

OldKingCole

Richard_Nabavi said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Worst in your lifetime?

I didn't realise you were born after Theresa May had resigned, or Gordon Brown. Even my three year old daughter had a worse government in her lifetime.

The May government was middling, Brown was the worst before this one. But no government in the 50+ years I've been following politics. not even Brown's, has deliberately put fantasy at the centre of its offering, or threatened to renege on treaty commitments which it signed just a few weeks ago, or had 'fuck business' as its watchword.

On reflection, I'm inclined to agree. Churchill's last government wasn't really his, but those who actually ran it coped, and Home's knew it was staring at it's end, but todays is awful.

Edited: $$$predictive text!

Richard_Nabavi

It's very hard to resist the conclusion that Richard Burgon is just a massive wind-up artist, in the Cambridge-originated Monty Python tradition.

Stocky

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

Will you be eligible to claim reimbursement from travel insurance?

rottenborough

MarqueeMark said:

williamglenn said:

Just what we need.

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1232343883096432642

"Burgon proposes ‘Tony Benn University of Political Education’"

- after focus groups preferrred it to "Gulag".

This bloke is a comedy act isn't he? At some point it will be revealed that he was an actor on the lines of Ali G all along.

kinabalu

I note with a certain sinking feeling that Burgon abuse has commenced on this thread.

Benpointer

DavidL said:

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

Adventure in a petri dish. Heroic.

Lol! They promise it'll be a cultured trip!

Benpointer

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

Will you be eligible to claim reimbursement from travel insurance?

Presumably only if the FO advises against travel to the intended destination.

OTOH if the agent cancels the trip they'd have to reimburse you.

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Why did I google 'Harvey Weinstein deformed genitals'?

@MarqueeMark - You'll find the answer to your question if you click this link.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/harvey-weinsteins-grim-genital-joke-21571369

Euuugh..... Crikey.

(everyone is going to pile into this link now.....)

TheScreamingEagles

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

Will you be eligible to claim reimbursement from travel insurance?

I didn't buy it is as a package, so I can cancel the hotels without penalties.

Lose out a few hundred quid on train and plane tickets (but might get them back if they don't run.)

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

I think flying is very problematical now

TGOHF666

kinabalu said:

I note with a certain sinking feeling that Burgon abuse has commenced on this thread.

In my expert opinion having studied his communications , his IQ is in double figures - at most.

kinabalu

"Gnarled" ??

MarqueeMark

Benpointer said:

DavidL said:

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

Adventure in a petri dish. Heroic.

Lol! They promise it'll be a cultured trip!

Pound to a penny 'es ill indoors on that trip....

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232353607070158850

Big_G_NorthWales

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

Interesting for both of us

Charles

TheScreamingEagles said:

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

No she hasn’t

Andrew has been sacked and withdrawn from public life.

Restrictions are being put on Meghan to prevent her exploiting her husband’s family to make money for herself

They are not comparable - they are different reactions to different situations

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

It's very hard to resist the conclusion that Richard Burgon is just a massive wind-up artist, in the Cambridge-originated Monty Python tradition.

To be fair he's never done anything as funny as this comedian, whatever happened to her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aodBfdFTA&t=5s

kinabalu

TGOHF666 said:

In my expert opinion having studied his communications , his IQ is in double figures - at most.

120 ish.

But we've moved on from IQ fixation. It's all about empathy now.

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

Will you be eligible to claim reimbursement from travel insurance?

I didn't buy it is as a package, so I can cancel the hotels without penalties.

Lose out a few hundred quid on train and plane tickets (but might get them back if they don't run.)

While I have paid BA I can cancel our Vancouver hotel at anytime upto the date of travel

AramintaMoonbeamQC

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

I think flying is very problematical now

Airports/planes are dreadful for passing on germs at the best of times, given the amount of recycled air, but best avoided if possible at the present time.

I came back from the states on Air France via CdG last week, and it was a sea of people in facemasks. Managed to pick up a throat infection from the plane, it was full of kids coming back from Eurodisney.

Big_G_NorthWales

Stocky said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

Will you be eligible to claim reimbursement from travel insurance?

It is very uncertain

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

It's very hard to resist the conclusion that Richard Burgon is just a massive wind-up artist, in the Cambridge-originated Monty Python tradition.

To be fair he's never done anything as funny as this comedian, whatever happened to her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aodBfdFTA&t=5s

She's doing very well, she's on prime-time TV now.

Big_G_NorthWales

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

Seems a popular date

Philip_Thompson

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

It's very hard to resist the conclusion that Richard Burgon is just a massive wind-up artist, in the Cambridge-originated Monty Python tradition.

To be fair he's never done anything as funny as this comedian, whatever happened to her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aodBfdFTA&t=5s

She evolved as a politician, renounced her support of the death penalty and became a liberalising Home Secretary who will probably be the best Home Secretary of the last 27 years?

malcolmg

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

Hopefully I am down almost 30K in two days.

Charles

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Confirmation bias

Richard_Nabavi

Charles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Confirmation bias

Pots and kettles come to mind.

It's certainly not conformation bias, I wasn't expecting it to be as bad as this, and also it's bad in a different way from what I was expecting.

Edit: And, on the substantive point, what exactly do you disagree with when I make the completely uncontroversial point that businesses and the civil service will need at least a few months to prepare to implement whatever is agreed?

kinabalu

TheScreamingEagles said:

To be fair he's never done anything as funny as this comedian, whatever happened to her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aodBfdFTA&t=5s

Appallin. Utterly appallin.

HYUFD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Curious that the Queen has been harsher on the Sussexes than she has on her favorite child, the friend of the nonce.

Not really, Andrew was asked to withdraw from royal duties, the Sussexes asked to withdraw from royal duties themselves, just the Queen has correctly said they cannot profit from the royal trademark

TGOHF666

Richard_Nabavi said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Sandpit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1232339763035852801?s=20

Inevitable.

It’ll be a war of words until the end of June, at which point it becomes clear that there will be no extension and everyone has six months to get it sorted.

They won't have six months. They'll have about a month, two at most. That is for the very obvious reason that it will take time to set up the administrative arrangements for whatever is agreed, otherwise there will be chaos.

Of course, with this government, which is rapidly looking like the worst in my lifetime, it may be that chaos is what we'll get, with businesses and the civil service unable to prepare because they won't know what they're preparing for.

Worst in your lifetime?

I didn't realise you were born after Theresa May had resigned, or Gordon Brown. Even my three year old daughter had a worse government in her lifetime.

The May government was middling, Brown was the worst before this one. But no government in the 50+ years I've been following politics. not even Brown's, has deliberately put fantasy at the centre of its offering, or threatened to renege on treaty commitments which it signed just a few weeks ago, or had 'fuck business' as its watchword.

Uh oh - Richard has gone full Meeks.

Never go full Meeks.

MarqueeMark

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

I booked a trip to Venice and Rome at the start of May.

I think we'll go to York now.

I think flying is very problematical now

Airports/planes are dreadful for passing on germs at the best of times, given the amount of recycled air, but best avoided if possible at the present time.

I came back from the states on Air France via CdG last week, and it was a sea of people in facemasks. Managed to pick up a throat infection from the plane, it was full of kids coming back from Eurodisney.

Airlines some years back took a decision to downgrade the filters in planes. To save costs. A BA pilot I know was outraged. Not so much petri dishes as flying test tubes now.

HYUFD

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

Wycombe now being the 43rd Labour target seat no doubt concentrated his mind

Charles

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I voted Leave.

I would have no problem with Prince Andrew sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

What stories they could swap, eh?

Today I learned that Harvey Weinstein has deformed genitals, said genitals were photographed and shown to the jury.

I really wish I hadn't read that.

The PMs doctor during the “headless man” incident had the job of inspecting the genitals of all members of the cabinet to identify who was the responsible party

MarqueeMark

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

I'll be on QM2 headed for New York on that day (fingers-crossed)

Seems a popular date

It's the day before the Govt. goes all Escape from New York on us in handling COVID-19 - and closes the borders.....

IanB2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

IanB2 said:

By the end of the week the FTSE will be back to levels last seen in the aftermath of thr Brexit vote.

It does make you wonder how far the world's markets are going to fall

I am surprised that Canada and west coast of US has not been effected yet due to the large movement of Chinese and Japanese backwards and forwards across the pacific

I am interested, as my wife and I are due to visit Vancouver in May

We have guests arriving from Vancouver in May. Early May for us.

12th May for our flight out

Exactly the same date that I am due to leave for Lombardy.

Interesting for both of us

By May either it will have proved to be a storm in a teacup, or there’ll be cases everywhere and the question will be whether to leave the house, not whether to go on holiday. Once the virus is loose in London, that’ll be one of the most risky places in Europe.

I have the advantage that I plan to drive myself to Italy, will be spending the days walking in the mountains with the dog, and evenings eating outside. Apart from the hotel I don’t see any significant risk there.

With any luck I’ll get a bargain discount.

Richard_Nabavi

TGOHF666 said:

Uh oh - Richard has gone full Meeks.

Never go full Meeks.

Actually I don't agree with Alastair's views on this, in particular his views that the government is scapegoating immigrants or making EU citizens feel unwelcome.

Endillion

IanB2 said:

Benpointer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232348598643417088

Of particular note:

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1232349349465796616

He is "now conscious of opinion" in his seat? Was he unware of it before?

When his seat was safe, he didn’t need to care about it.

Alternatively, when his seat was safe, it was clear that his (previously well-established) views were supported by a majority of his constituents?