It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
Before I weigh in on this, can you just confirm in which year middle age begins?
It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
When your parents are in their 60s I'm massively in favour of containment and quarantine.
It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
If it worked or even bought us more time for a vaccine I would totally agree. The evidence so far is mixed although more developed countries (other than Japan) seem to be doing ok.
It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
Before I weigh in on this, can you just confirm in which year middle age begins?
Since I turned 40 middle age is 5 years plus my current age.
It’s everywhere. Containment has failed. We need to just accept this and accept that many will get it and accept that some will die. It is what it is.
No, containment remains the best policy. It reduces numbers affected, and allows health systems to cope. Isolation and quarantine are the oldest but still best control methods.
The only containment that seems to work is China style lockdowns that ends with traumatised communities, and suicides.
Are we able or willing to do that?
I doubt it.
To stop maybe 1/100 old people dying? Doubt it.
I value old people, and it is still a considerable mortality rate in the middle aged so yes containment and quarantine is worth it.
Before I weigh in on this, can you just confirm in which year middle age begins?
The mortality rate in the fifties is 1.3%, 0.4% in the forties, probably. This graph from the CDC models what containment does:
Incidentally, David Steel’s failure to act over Cyril Smith is a perfect example of the behaviours I described yesterday explaining why people don’t speak up about wrongdoing.
I remain very surprised re- David Steel.Apparently when he raised the issue with Smith in 1979, he believed that there was no ongoing activity and that the allegations related to events from the first half of the 1960s. On the specific point , I am unclear as to why Smith's victims were - indeed are - unable to pursue the authorities which provided him with access to them.
Typical Westminster type actions, a cesspit full of wrong uns
Whereas Holyrood, with Salmond (rape trial), Sheridan (omg), Sturgeon (exotic private life, to put it mildly) is an image of monastic asceticism?
What bollox is that , one to be proven , one went to a swingers club ( WOW really bad ) and one libellous rumour. You paint a really amazing picture.
He’s a deeply troubled young man who has been callously manipulated by a selfish fading actress. He believes that in leaving the royal family he is protecting his family against what happened to his mother.
I think that's really harsh. I don't think he's been "callously manipulated" whatsoever and I think the way his wife has been treated, including remarks like that quite frankly, is quite disgusting.
If someone comes after my wife I will back her to the hilt! Any decent man would.
Why has she prevented her father from seeing baby Archie?
Why is that our business?
Given that her dad has only just been recovering from heart surgery, is it not unnecessarily cruel?
I mean, how many PBers have prevented their own father seeing their grandchild(ren)?
Basically 20000-50000 excess winter deaths per annum is normal range in the UK.
If everyone in the whole country caught it, we'd be well outside range, but that's a daft base assumption.
I'm also noting Italian reports, they are expecting mortality touching 3% due to somewhat more elderly population even than China. The average age of death in the first 11 victims in Italy is over 80 - I'm not saying that doesn't matter, of course, but obviously the higher that average the better.
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People have died, thousands suffering, and real economic damage is possible
And its 'exciting'. She needs to have more respect
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You paint a really amazing picture.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/highestnumberofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25
Basically 20000-50000 excess winter deaths per annum is normal range in the UK.
If everyone in the whole country caught it, we'd be well outside range, but that's a daft base assumption.
I'm also noting Italian reports, they are expecting mortality touching 3% due to somewhat more elderly population even than China. The average age of death in the first 11 victims in Italy is over 80 - I'm not saying that doesn't matter, of course, but obviously the higher that average the better.