Weren't the precincts counted at the time with everyone stood there. How frigging difficult is it for that final precinct to call its result in?
Call it into whom? I guess part of the problem is that if the DNC was relying on the app, their usual team of phone-answerers might not have been booked and Phil from accounts had got fed up and gone home for the day.
The Tories emerged from the 1959 election with 365 seats - the same as 2019 . In 1964 , they fell back to 303 seats.
Following the Profumo scandal. Not hard to imagine a 2023 equivalent involving Dominic Raab.
Raab ???
I can think of someone else who its a lot easier to imagine involved in some lifestyle scandal.
On an unrelated note, did the Arcuri inquiry ever report or is it buried along with the Russia report? Hmm. Sex, security and Russians, it is more like Profumo every day. Next people will be alleging Number 10 is trying to control the judiciary.
I can think of someone else who its a lot easier to imagine involved in some lifestyle scandal.
True. But it is often the quiet ones. A zipped-up demeanour can be an indicator of repression. And Raab does seem to me like a man who is straining to hold something in.
There is also the reverse of your (good) point. Yes, you might expect this sort of trouble to come from one of the more "colourful" cabinet ministers (the PM himself is the obvious example) but by the same token the public might then just shrug it off as par for the course - it's "priced in" to use that baleful term - whereas a massive scandal involving Dominic Raab will have real shock value and could bring the house down.
To be fair Oxford 1sts are not what they used to be - far more are given out than in the 1950s and 1960s. The curse of grade inflation has appeared everywhere.
Still good though, a 1st from anywhere. You can only beat what's in front of you.
It is all relative though. I am sure that quite a few students awarded relatively good 2.2s in the 1970s would receive 1st class degrees today.
Someone posted the 2019 Oxford results here. 95 per cent got Firsts or Upper Seconds. 95 per cent! That is grade inflation.
Or is it? Sebastian Flyte would not have heard of modern, psychologically sound study techniques like spaced repetition. And grade inflation. 95 per cent.
I can think of someone else who its a lot easier to imagine involved in some lifestyle scandal.
True. But it is often the quiet ones. A zipped-up demeanour can be an indicator of repression. And Raab does seem to me like a man who is straining to hold something in.
There is also the reverse of your (good) point. Yes, you might expect this sort of trouble to come from one of the more "colourful" cabinet ministers (the PM himself is the obvious example) but by the same token the public might then just shrug it off as par for the course - it's "priced in" to use that baleful term - whereas a massive scandal involving Dominic Raab will have real shock value and could bring the house down.
Can't help feeling that in the event of a scandal involving Dominic Raab the majority response would be....who?
I can think of someone else who its a lot easier to imagine involved in some lifestyle scandal.
True. But it is often the quiet ones. A zipped-up demeanour can be an indicator of repression. And Raab does seem to me like a man who is straining to hold something in.
There is also the reverse of your (good) point. Yes, you might expect this sort of trouble to come from one of the more "colourful" cabinet ministers (the PM himself is the obvious example) but by the same token the public might then just shrug it off as par for the course - it's "priced in" to use that baleful term - whereas a massive scandal involving Dominic Raab will have real shock value and could bring the house down.
Can't help feeling that in the event of a scandal involving Dominic Raab the majority response would be....who?
I can think of someone else who its a lot easier to imagine involved in some lifestyle scandal.
True. But it is often the quiet ones. A zipped-up demeanour can be an indicator of repression. And Raab does seem to me like a man who is straining to hold something in.
There is also the reverse of your (good) point. Yes, you might expect this sort of trouble to come from one of the more "colourful" cabinet ministers (the PM himself is the obvious example) but by the same token the public might then just shrug it off as par for the course - it's "priced in" to use that baleful term - whereas a massive scandal involving Dominic Raab will have real shock value and could bring the house down.
Can't help feeling that in the event of a scandal involving Dominic Raab the majority response would be....who?
I've long felt that the role of Foreign Secretary really shouldn't be considered a Great Office of State nowadays, since any important international diplomacy is just done by either diplomats or the PM anyway.
I suspect the Health Secretary has a more meaningful job than the Foreign Secretary in modern Britain.
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
The Dems really must focus and find a Luke Skywalker. If they don't - and as a consequence He gets another 4 years - they will be letting down the civilized world very badly.
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
Being a christian* is not a problem. Being a bigoted christian* is a problem
* Insert whatever religion is required
Brits generally see religion as a private matter, and don’t take kindly to those who try to thrust it upon them. It only becomes a problem for a politician if they fall into the latter category, or if there’s a suspicion that their particular beliefs might overly influence their political choices.
Even Blair waited until leaving office before coming out as a catholic.
Religion in the political shere is just part of a wider human phenomenon called 'Values' 'Opinions' 'Ethics' etc. The ideas it can all be left behind........Where would you start with something that is so meaningless?
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
Being a christian* is not a problem. Being a bigoted christian* is a problem
* Insert whatever religion is required
Brits generally see religion as a private matter, and don’t take kindly to those who try to thrust it upon them. It only becomes a problem for a politician if they fall into the latter category, or if there’s a suspicion that their particular beliefs might overly influence their political choices.
Even Blair waited until leaving office before coming out as a catholic.
Religion in the political shere is just part of a wider human phenomenon called 'Values' 'Opinions' 'Ethics' etc. The ideas it can all be left behind........Where would you start with something that is so meaningless?
You can have values, opinions and ethics without considering them to be the infallible, mystical and omnipotent view from some magical sky fairy..
The Dems really must focus and find a Luke Skywalker. If they don't - and as a consequence He gets another 4 years - they will be letting down the civilized world very badly.
Fascinating stuff. We are still waiting for a proper analysis of what happened here, under the radar social media-wise.
From the link: After the 2016 election, much was made of the threats posed to American democracy by foreign disinformation. Stories of Russian troll farms and Macedonian fake-news mills loomed in the national imagination. But while these shadowy outside forces preoccupied politicians and journalists, Trump and his domestic allies were beginning to adopt the same tactics of information warfare that have kept the world’s demagogues and strongmen in power.
This is the problem, as noted here before. Nothing will be done to stop foreign interference while our own parties benefit from the same techniques.
I have had the misfortune to interact with Wera. I know the Lib Dems are struggling for talent these days, but she is the equivalent of Labour choosing RLB. She will only attract the most hardcore of the hardcore Rejoin the EU types.
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
People from Cambridge and people from Leeds both know that not being able to go to war without a Labour members vote, is a stupid idea though.
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
People from Cambridge and people from Leeds both know that not being able to go to war without a Labour members vote, is a stupid idea though.
It seems scarcely credible that Abbott got a first at Cambridge ..
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
People from Cambridge and people from Leeds both know that not being able to go to war without a Labour members vote, is a stupid idea though.
It seems scarcely credible that Abbott got a first at Cambridge ..
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
People from Cambridge and people from Leeds both know that not being able to go to war without a Labour members vote, is a stupid idea though.
It seems scarcely credible that Abbott got a first at Cambridge ..
She obtained a 2:2
She obtained a Desmond in honour of the great man who did so much to end apartheid.
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
No he is not and a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere.
He is certainly brighter than the current crop of Labour leadership candidates
David Miliband also has a first from Oxford, the dump hands firsts out like confetti.
You love a BurgonAbbott reminder, don't you?
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
People from Cambridge and people from Leeds both know that not being able to go to war without a Labour members vote, is a stupid idea though.
It seems scarcely credible that Abbott got a first at Cambridge ..
Anyone else remember when Dan Hannan used to bang on about unelected politicians being foisted upon the British voters who they couldn’t remove?
You’ll be shocked to learn he’s accepted a peerage.
He’s just a pound shop John Prescott.
Hannan is one of the brightest politicians around and was an elected MEP for over 20 years, he is the type of person we need in the Lords
I find myself thinking whether you wish to equate prolific publicist and bright as it suits your perma-posting, always correct style.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Mate, I've got a 1st and a PhD, Hannan is a idiot.
...a 1st from Oxford is rather different to a 1st elsewhere...
It would be nice if that were true but the subject of the degree is more important than the location of the institution. Some universities are good at one set of subjects and not others. So the statement that "Dan Hannah is intelligent because he had a first at Oxford" is defensible - obviously - but not conclusive. I would also submit that his reluctance to believe evidence against his theses tells against him.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Is it going to be a problem for the Lib Dem spokesperson for the Environment and Climate Change that her and her husband own a company that produces Resorcinol Formaldehyde Latex? Sounds like it could be a bit "metadioxin" to me..
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Interesting he's come out as gay and not bisexual, being married for over 25 years with two daughters and all...
Could just have been pressure at the time. Very sad if so, to have felt forced to live a lie for so long. My brother in law's sister got married (to a man) in 2015 and then came out as gay a year later - she (falsely, as it turned out) thought her parents would be devastated if she was gay so tried to convince herself she was in love with a man. They got married a month or two before my wife and I in the same church and attended the same pre-marriage workshop.
Offtopic, what online sins have I committed to be served (targeted?) advertising for US evangelical Christians on PB? "join with other Christians - proclaim 'I am not ashamed'"
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
Being a christian* is not a problem. Being a bigoted christian* is a problem
* Insert whatever religion is required
Brits generally see religion as a private matter, and don’t take kindly to those who try to thrust it upon them. It only becomes a problem for a politician if they fall into the latter category, or if there’s a suspicion that their particular beliefs might overly influence their political choices.
Even Blair waited until leaving office before coming out as a catholic.
Religion in the political shere is just part of a wider human phenomenon called 'Values' 'Opinions' 'Ethics' etc. The ideas it can all be left behind........Where would you start with something that is so meaningless?
You can have values, opinions and ethics without considering them to be the infallible, mystical and omnipotent view from some magical sky fairy..
And yet billions of people worldwide and throughout recorded history believe in a God of some description.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
On topic: I've been unimpressed by Wera Hobhouse up until now but that's a good article by her.
She seems to be thinking more carefully about translating values into actions than any other recent/potential Lib Dem leadership candidates. She doesn't fall into the short-sighted thinking of "Party X has an unpopular leader and therefore we must attack them", but actually looks at where other parties stand relative to hers (okay, she caricatures other parties, but that's inevitable).
She does, however, fail to clearly state that the Revoke policy was wrong. That'd be like a Labour leadership candidate failing to clearly state that the antisemitism issue has been handled badly. She needs to correct that.
For those that care about such things a brief overview of the impact the CoronaVirus will have on manufacturing even if everything returns to normal quickly (it won't)
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
There was some discussion yesterday about Little Britain in the modern era, would it be too offensive etc.
I rewatched a bit yesterday and I think I have worked out why it wouldn't fly, not because it is too offensive but because it doesn't exaggerate the truth enough anymore...e.g. there is a scene when Daffyd, the only gay in the village, is at college in the US, and he protests that there aren't enough gay writers being studied....when pointed out that a number on the curriculum were, he then protests that either they weren't proper gay and why aren't we studying all gay writers.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
It was Farron lying about his views which was the problem.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
Being a christian* is not a problem. Being a bigoted christian* is a problem
* Insert whatever religion is required
Brits generally see religion as a private matter, and don’t take kindly to those who try to thrust it upon them. It only becomes a problem for a politician if they fall into the latter category, or if there’s a suspicion that their particular beliefs might overly influence their political choices.
Even Blair waited until leaving office before coming out as a catholic.
Religion in the political shere is just part of a wider human phenomenon called 'Values' 'Opinions' 'Ethics' etc. The ideas it can all be left behind........Where would you start with something that is so meaningless?
You can have values, opinions and ethics without considering them to be the infallible, mystical and omnipotent view from some magical sky fairy..
And yet billions of people worldwide and throughout recorded history believe in a God of some description.
Because they were ignorant of the world around them and it is easier to ascribe the unknown to "God" or "gods" etc than to admit they have no clue what is going on around them.
Do you think lightning is being sent down by the gods?
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Rentagobs will rentagob. Its up to the presenter to ensure both sides get their say.
Dale could have made that point forcefully to the muppets presenting the show.
Yeah that was just him being ridiculous. Grace Blakeley habitually interrupts other panellists way too much, regardless of whether they interrupt her, but this was a pretty mild example. And everyone had shut up to let him to speak at the point at which he stormed off.
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Like a Corbynite you say we smear your man with his own words.
Difference is Boris wrote those views decades ago and since then has been very liberal being the first leading Conservative to come out for equal marriage before David Cameron did.
Somewhat different to Corbyn's issues going back to immediately before (and sometimes after) he became leader and never having changed his mind on anything.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Are you his agent or something? Are people not allowed to express the view that some highly educated people are still not bright?
That's a lot of high profile people who cannot be mocked.
I know a chap who has a DPhil from Oxford who basically can't be trusted to tie his own shoelaces.
Narrow academic excellence does not necessarily convey political nous or even common sense. Richard Burgon went to Cambridge, which must be the exemplar here.
Fascinating stuff. We are still waiting for a proper analysis of what happened here, under the radar social media-wise.
From the link: After the 2016 election, much was made of the threats posed to American democracy by foreign disinformation. Stories of Russian troll farms and Macedonian fake-news mills loomed in the national imagination. But while these shadowy outside forces preoccupied politicians and journalists, Trump and his domestic allies were beginning to adopt the same tactics of information warfare that have kept the world’s demagogues and strongmen in power.
This is the problem, as noted here before. Nothing will be done to stop foreign interference while our own parties benefit from the same techniques.
I find these techniques very concerning whether they are foreign or not. This idea that voters can be brainwashed en masse such that they come to believe in a version of reality which is not only unsupported by the facts but is completely at odds with them. Democracy is famously held to be the worst possible system "apart from all the others" - I'm not sure this will remain true if this trend continues unchecked.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Like a Corbynite you say we smear your man with his own words.
Like a Corbynite you seem to think that the style of a politician's speech is more important than their policy substance. The problem with Corbyn is not that what he said was rude, but that the content was criminally stupid and destructive.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Like a Corbynite you say we smear your man with his own words.
Difference is Boris wrote those views decades ago and since then has been very liberal being the first leading Conservative to come out for equal marriage before David Cameron did.
Somewhat different to Corbyn's issues going back to immediately before (and sometimes after) he became leader and never having changed his mind on anything.
In electoral terms, it is all priced in. People who hold such comments against Boris Johnson are already voting against him.
When Boris Johnson was in favour of legalising gay marriage, David Cameron was not yet.
When Boris Johnson rebelled and voted for the repeal of Section 28, David Cameron not just voted against the repeal of Section 28 he also accused Tony Blair "moving heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in our schools".
In 2002 David Cameron voted to ban gay couples from adopting. Boris Johnson did not.
Perhaps @TheScreamingEagles before you mention a decades old article again you should comment on why David Cameron voted to keep Section 28, against allowing gays to adopt children and opposed legalising gay marriage until after Johnson supported it?
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Why is the time span a factor? Is it because Boris was awful back then but is simply wonderful now?
Arguably he was homophobic when it was electorally profitable to be homophobic, and homophilic (right word?) when it became electorally profitable to be homophilic. People seem keen to assign the word "liberal" to Johnson, but it's more accurate to say he's unprincipled: he will do what is necessary to be elected and then do the exact opposite if later necessary. This flexibility is one of the reasons why he is a formidable politician.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Why is the time span a factor? Is it because Boris was awful back then but is simply wonderful now?
Johnson had some bad views on homosexuality decades ago yes, but then I don't know many Conservative MPs from decades ago who didn't.
Was Johnson writing "tanktopped bumboys" but voting to abolish Section 28 and not voting to ban gays from adopting worse than David Cameron voting to keep Section 28 and voting to ban gays from adopting?
Just reading her Wikipedia entry, it says she's a Christian. Hopefully she doesn't have the same problems as Tim Farron.
If being a Christian is a problem we have got a problem. Approximately half of the UK population so describes itself. About 5 million of them are actual church goers. They are about as common as Manchester United supporters.
Being a christian* is not a problem. Being a bigoted christian* is a problem
* Insert whatever religion is required
Brits generally see religion as a private matter, and don’t take kindly to those who try to thrust it upon them. It only becomes a problem for a politician if they fall into the latter category, or if there’s a suspicion that their particular beliefs might overly influence their political choices.
Even Blair waited until leaving office before coming out as a catholic.
Religion in the political shere is just part of a wider human phenomenon called 'Values' 'Opinions' 'Ethics' etc. The ideas it can all be left behind........Where would you start with something that is so meaningless?
You can have values, opinions and ethics without considering them to be the infallible, mystical and omnipotent view from some magical sky fairy..
And yet billions of people worldwide and throughout recorded history believe in a God of some description.
He has a 1st from Oxford and obviously a lot brighter than you and your usual pompous irrelevant posts
Are you his agent or something? Are people not allowed to express the view that some highly educated people are still not bright?
That's a lot of high profile people who cannot be mocked.
I know a chap who has a DPhil from Oxford who basically can't be trusted to tie his own shoelaces.
Narrow academic excellence does not necessarily convey political nous or even common sense. Richard Burgon went to Cambridge, which must be the exemplar here.
DPhils and PhDs are odd; at any other level in academia from getting an undergraduate place to tenured professorship the barriers to entry are incredibly high, but you can get accepted anywhere for a PhD if you can come up with the money.
When Boris Johnson was in favour of legalising gay marriage, David Cameron was not yet.
When Boris Johnson rebelled and voted for the repeal of Section 28, David Cameron not just voted against the repeal of Section 28 he also accused Tony Blair "moving heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in our schools".
In 2002 David Cameron voted to ban gay couples from adopting. Boris Johnson did not.
Perhaps @TheScreamingEagles before you mention a decades old article again you should comment on why David Cameron voted to keep Section 28, against allowing gays to adopt children and opposed legalising gay marriage until after Johnson supported it?
Allowing people into the UK parliament who did not finish first in their constituency was described by David Cameron as creating a "Parliament full of second-choices who no one really wanted but didn't really object to either." - David Cameron: "Why keeping first past the post is vital for democracy." Daily Telegraph. 30 Apr 2011.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Why is the time span a factor? Is it because Boris was awful back then but is simply wonderful now?
Johnson had some bad views on homosexuality decades ago yes, but then I don't know many Conservative MPs from decades ago who didn't.
Was Johnson writing "tanktopped bumboys" but voting to abolish Section 28 and not voting to ban gays from adopting worse than David Cameron voting to keep Section 28 and voting to ban gays from adopting?
Tsk, we all know that only words matter now, and a single bad one damns you for eternity. Actions are irrelevant
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
The economic commentator has a first in PPE from Oxford; he should listen to her.
Frankly, PPE has a terrible reputation for churning out people with a shallow understanding of all three topics. Grace Blakely’s book made basic errors that showed she didn’t understand how the UK banking system worked. Possibly she’s corrected the worst of them, but the fact that it was published in that state at all speaks volumes.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Why is the time span a factor? Is it because Boris was awful back then but is simply wonderful now?
Some senior labour people shilled for PIE in the 1970s, but it seems they are allowed a far more complete change of heart - gratis....
Not many, just HH as I recall.
Worth noting that at the time the age of consent for male gays was 21 years old, so that a significant percentage of those being prosecuted would now be perfectly legitimate relationships.
The Seventies were a time of sexual liberation that we seem to struggle with now. Groupies, DJs, John Peel's schoolgirl of the month, jokes about scout masters or choirboys all look a bit sordid now, but were seen in a different light then. We now seem to feel more liberated in some ways, but much more puritanical in others. Times change.
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
The economic commentator has a first in PPE from Oxford; he should listen to her.
Frankly, PPE has a terrible reputation for churning out people with a shallow understanding of all three topics. Grace Blakely’s book made basic errors that showed she didn’t understand how the UK banking system worked. Possibly she’s corrected the worst of them, but the fact that it was published in that state at all speaks volumes.
One of PPE's many dirty secrets is that most undergraduates drop one of its three components after their first year - and the element most frequently dropped is the E!
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Rentagobs will rentagob. Its up to the presenter to ensure both sides get their say.
Dale could have made that point forcefully to the muppets presenting the show.
He made it more forcefully and probably with more lasting effect on the conduct of other interviews by taking the action he did. TBH I wish more would walk out or cease interviews prematurely when they are simply not being given the space to get their point of view across, whether it be due to other guests or the interviewer repeatedly talking over them.
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
Boris writing those things in an article years ago = Very Bad.
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
Why is the time span a factor? Is it because Boris was awful back then but is simply wonderful now?
Some senior labour people shilled for PIE in the 1970s, but it seems they are allowed a far more complete change of heart - gratis....
Not many, just HH as I recall.
Worth noting that at the time the age of consent for male gays was 21 years old, so that a significant percentage of those being prosecuted would now be perfectly legitimate relationships.
The Seventies were a time of sexual liberation that we seem to struggle with now. Groupies, DJs, John Peel's schoolgirl of the month, jokes about scout masters or choirboys all look a bit sordid now, but were seen in a different light then. We now seem to feel more liberated in some ways, but much more puritanical in others. Times change.
Fair points as long as Boris's comments are given the same context....
Ok, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm bugge...damned if I'm googling it - I had to clear down my browser history the last time Dura Ace cited Afghan dancing. Where does the quote originate from?
Boris Johnson called gay men 'tank-topped bumboys' and black people 'piccaninnies' with 'watermelon smiles'
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
The economic commentator has a first in PPE from Oxford; he should listen to her.
Frankly, PPE has a terrible reputation for churning out people with a shallow understanding of all three topics. Grace Blakely’s book made basic errors that showed she didn’t understand how the UK banking system worked. Possibly she’s corrected the worst of them, but the fact that it was published in that state at all speaks volumes.
One of PPE's many dirty secrets is that most undergraduates drop one of its three components after their first year - and the element most frequently dropped is the E!
And yet billions of people worldwide and throughout recorded history believe in a God of some description.
Indeed so. It's intriguing.
I do not believe in God. Furthermore, I cannot understand how anybody of high intelligence can possibly do so. And yet there are plenty of people who are extremely intelligent who DO believe in God. So there you go.
FWIW, with the very bright believers, I sense it is because without the belief they fear (perhaps rightly) that they would tumble mentally into a nauseating existential void whereby all is meaningless. The belief in God is needed to ward this horror off. And the belief is strong because it is adopted for self-preservation. Deep down they know this but their fear is stronger than their rationality. Indeed it is strong enough to construct some quite sophisticated philosophical reasoning to support the (non rational) belief that allays it.
And yet billions of people worldwide and throughout recorded history believe in a God of some description.
Indeed so. It's intriguing.
I do not believe in God. Furthermore, I cannot understand how anybody of high intelligence can possibly do so. And yet there are plenty of people who are extremely intelligent who DO believe in God. So there you go.
FWIW, with the very bright believers, I sense it is because without the belief they fear (perhaps rightly) that they would tumble mentally into a nauseating existential void whereby all is meaningless. The belief in God is needed to ward this horror off. And the belief is strong because it adopted for self-preservation. And deep down they know this but their fear is stronger than their reason. Indeed it is strong enough to construct some quite sophisticated philosophical reasoning to support it.
OF all the anxiety treatments, the almighty is probably one of the most effective.
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Rentagobs will rentagob. Its up to the presenter to ensure both sides get their say.
Dale could have made that point forcefully to the muppets presenting the show.
He made it more forcefully and probably with more lasting effect on the conduct of other interviews by taking the action he did. TBH I wish more would walk out or cease interviews prematurely when they are simply not being given the space to get their point of view across, whether it be due to other guests or the interviewer repeatedly talking over them.
I imagine that, after more than 30 years as a political writer and journalist (and interviewer!), Dale knows where to draw the line - and having a shouty Corbynista on either side of him, not letting him speak more than two words, was a line crossed. Hopefully GMB will be more careful about who they bring on in the future, but I doubt it.
He listened to the Corbynite labelled an ‘Economic Commentator’ without interruption, then was not allowed to give his point of view without the other two talking over him. Her astonishment when he walked off says it all, she thinks she should be able to just give her opinion then not listen
Rentagobs will rentagob. Its up to the presenter to ensure both sides get their say.
Dale could have made that point forcefully to the muppets presenting the show.
He made it more forcefully and probably with more lasting effect on the conduct of other interviews by taking the action he did. TBH I wish more would walk out or cease interviews prematurely when they are simply not being given the space to get their point of view across, whether it be due to other guests or the interviewer repeatedly talking over them.
Sorry, went off the bloke when he assaulted an OAP.
Comments
Has anyone got his number?
There is also the reverse of your (good) point. Yes, you might expect this sort of trouble to come from one of the more "colourful" cabinet ministers (the PM himself is the obvious example) but by the same token the public might then just shrug it off as par for the course - it's "priced in" to use that baleful term - whereas a massive scandal involving Dominic Raab will have real shock value and could bring the house down.
Or is it? Sebastian Flyte would not have heard of modern, psychologically sound study techniques like spaced repetition. And grade inflation. 95 per cent.
I don’t, won’t and couldn’t work there 😉
I suspect the Health Secretary has a more meaningful job than the Foreign Secretary in modern Britain.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/29/scottish-government-wins-vote-to-keep-eu-flag-flying-over-holyrood
Abbott got a first from Cambridge, and this is genius Burgon's opinion of Fen Poly, "The thing I took with me from there was that the people at Cambridge were not cleverer than the people I went to school with, in an inner-city school in Leeds"
At midday it’s going to be Phil’s spit roast!
They banned a sexy lingerie advert for showing lingerie sexily. Unfortunately the ladies do not agree. Oops.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51383947
Read this that @Nigelb posted yesterday. Terrifying.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/
The Dems really must focus and find a Luke Skywalker. If they don't - and as a consequence He gets another 4 years - they will be letting down the civilized world very badly.
is Hobhouse, positioning, (more anti-tory less criticism of Lab) laying the groundwork for her to lead an alliance or full merger with Lab?
I could see SKS going for it, as it dilutes the hard left,
Thoughts?
From the link: After the 2016 election, much was made of the threats posed to American democracy by foreign disinformation. Stories of Russian troll farms and Macedonian fake-news mills loomed in the national imagination. But while these shadowy outside forces preoccupied politicians and journalists, Trump and his domestic allies were beginning to adopt the same tactics of information warfare that have kept the world’s demagogues and strongmen in power.
This is the problem, as noted here before. Nothing will be done to stop foreign interference while our own parties benefit from the same techniques.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1225733853517623296?s=20
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Dale could have made that point forcefully to the muppets presenting the show.
Offtopic, what online sins have I committed to be served (targeted?) advertising for US evangelical Christians on PB? "join with other Christians - proclaim 'I am not ashamed'"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-record-sexist-homophobic-and-racist-comments-bumboys-piccaninnies-2019-6?amp
She seems to be thinking more carefully about translating values into actions than any other recent/potential Lib Dem leadership candidates. She doesn't fall into the short-sighted thinking of "Party X has an unpopular leader and therefore we must attack them", but actually looks at where other parties stand relative to hers (okay, she caricatures other parties, but that's inevitable).
She does, however, fail to clearly state that the Revoke policy was wrong. That'd be like a Labour leadership candidate failing to clearly state that the antisemitism issue has been handled badly. She needs to correct that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/f08ezi/some_firsthand_details_about_impending_supply/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=d2c0228295954cbbbb909f211b74769f&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=f08ezi
His critics repeating them thousands of times at every opportunity = Very Good.
Apparently.
I rewatched a bit yesterday and I think I have worked out why it wouldn't fly, not because it is too offensive but because it doesn't exaggerate the truth enough anymore...e.g. there is a scene when Daffyd, the only gay in the village, is at college in the US, and he protests that there aren't enough gay writers being studied....when pointed out that a number on the curriculum were, he then protests that either they weren't proper gay and why aren't we studying all gay writers.
Forty Thousand French Yeomen?
Do you think lightning is being sent down by the gods?
And DJ Nihal (aka MC Krazee A) might have started rapping if he'd stayed around
https://youtu.be/M_swhaHuMqw
Somewhat different to Corbyn's issues going back to immediately before (and sometimes after) he became leader and never having changed his mind on anything.
That's a lot of high profile people who cannot be mocked.
Kinder, gentler, etc, etc.
Narrow academic excellence does not necessarily convey political nous or even common sense. Richard Burgon went to Cambridge, which must be the exemplar here.
Give me the opposite any day of the week!
When Boris Johnson rebelled and voted for the repeal of Section 28, David Cameron not just voted against the repeal of Section 28 he also accused Tony Blair "moving heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in our schools".
In 2002 David Cameron voted to ban gay couples from adopting. Boris Johnson did not.
Perhaps @TheScreamingEagles before you mention a decades old article again you should comment on why David Cameron voted to keep Section 28, against allowing gays to adopt children and opposed legalising gay marriage until after Johnson supported it?
Was Johnson writing "tanktopped bumboys" but voting to abolish Section 28 and not voting to ban gays from adopting worse than David Cameron voting to keep Section 28 and voting to ban gays from adopting?
ie is it devolved?
Of course, some might say a more useful word would be satyriasic.
Dave hates AV too! Who knew?!
Allowing people into the UK parliament who did not finish first in their constituency was described by David Cameron as creating a "Parliament full of second-choices who no one really wanted but didn't really object to either."
- David Cameron: "Why keeping first past the post is vital for democracy." Daily Telegraph. 30 Apr 2011.
https://twitter.com/misschazmatazz/status/1225724435807731713?s=20
Worth noting that at the time the age of consent for male gays was 21 years old, so that a significant percentage of those being prosecuted would now be perfectly legitimate relationships.
The Seventies were a time of sexual liberation that we seem to struggle with now. Groupies, DJs, John Peel's schoolgirl of the month, jokes about scout masters or choirboys all look a bit sordid now, but were seen in a different light then. We now seem to feel more liberated in some ways, but much more puritanical in others. Times change.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html
John Bercow is the guest on today's Remainiac's podcast..
https://play.acast.com/s/remainiacs/2803db9f-a2fa-478f-b51f-28b9542b4f3d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPx_GRI3zW0
I do not believe in God. Furthermore, I cannot understand how anybody of high intelligence can possibly do so. And yet there are plenty of people who are extremely intelligent who DO believe in God. So there you go.
FWIW, with the very bright believers, I sense it is because without the belief they fear (perhaps rightly) that they would tumble mentally into a nauseating existential void whereby all is meaningless. The belief in God is needed to ward this horror off. And the belief is strong because it is adopted for self-preservation. Deep down they know this but their fear is stronger than their rationality. Indeed it is strong enough to construct some quite sophisticated philosophical reasoning to support the (non rational) belief that allays it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24285711