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In other words, lack of places is not the fundamental problem.
Also, why is PB so fucking small? I can't read the type
Call it a Nursing Apprenticeship if that floats your boat.
This is where things get interesting - there is a big demand for jobs of this kind, part academic, part hands on.
Think of a tech who works with MRI machines in industry/research (a big area outside the medical use) - you want someone who speaks UNIX, can setup and leak test plumbing, understands magnetic fields, can deal with liquid helium and nitrogen without issues. Such as death.... What you want is a kind of plumber/electrician/lab tech/comp sci hybrid.
Or someone to really work a multi axis mill - coder, expert manual machinist (you need to learn manual lathe and mill work first), understand optimisation and now AI tools (big money in optimising the tool path to speed up work and improve quality)...
Nurses have to have vast medical knowledge. Why shouldn't a part of it be academic?
The problem is not that its a degree or tuition fees. The problem is lack of bursaries. That’s the reason for the shortage.
I certainly do.
A big problem in the Good Olde Days was the system of very learned professionals (few in number) dictating rote work to a mass of semi trained underlings.
You could argue that https://news.bournemouth.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HMS-Invincibles-centre-magazines-explode-IMW-SP2468.jpg was a product of that system.
Get a fucking life you idiot. Some jobs require degrees and most do not.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/30/labour-moderates-fear-party-chairman-ian-lavery-preparing-run/
comediesdemented mis-carriages of justice might not occur.https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1211023292238303234?s=21
I’m a firm believer that anyone can succeed academically in something they enjoy and are passionate about.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/273125/obama-trump-tie-admired-man-2019.aspx
I don't think nursing has really kept up with demographic and professional changes. Given nurses take more responsibility than they used to for the clinical management of patients, a degree does seem essential. The profession probably needs higher status and higher pay.
Actually, I did a (vocational) masters a decade after my (generic) first degree. I learned more, and more value was added, in that one year, than in the three years of my first degree. I put that largely down to it being vocational. But I did consider the introduction of fees (£3,000, in those days) might not be wholly irrelevant.
That’s certainly true for me.
https://twitter.com/KingOfHits/status/1211619240823939073?s=20
“Not interested in further academic study” well tough shit.
If you don't believe I am correct I have some .5 calibre ammunition to sell you. No actual good for fighting with - but purchased with world class process and documentation.
That’s it. Anyone can get a degree (or equivalent) if they want to. Policy changes are just needed to make this more accessible.
The anti-snobbery towards the concept of a “degree” is insane. Its dangerously close to anti-intellectualism.
Education is good. To suggest otherwise is insane.
Are the police struggling to fill vacancies because of this?
Critical thinking is not taught because it is "difficult" or "problematic". I enjoyed the moment that a very
progressiveregressive lecturer told me that Thomas Mann (who I had quoted - and he had no idea what I had quoted) was trash that should be..... burned. Ha.Ironically, many of the lower end degrees now taught are barren "fact piles", thrown at the students and badly regurgitated in the exams. There was more thinking on the welding course I did recently.
My point was that the requirement for some degree of higher education as a requirement for training as a police officer or a nurse is not a bad thing.
We should not encourage the lowering of standards because people have an irrational hatred of university students or ‘intellectuals’.
Further academic study can be one method to do so but it should never become the only or the exclusive method.
I think we have a new winner for the "Prize of Returning to the Public Eye in the most dementedly self harming manner conceivable"
People just see the word “degree” and start frothing about “the good old days”.
"Yes, Kingster?"
"I want to tweet about accusations of sexual crimes"
"Now Jon, we talked about this..."
"But I have a valuable perspective to bring to this!!"
"That's...the problem"
"But I sang Everyone's Gone to the Moon!!!"
"Yes, but...that's not what you're known for, now is it..."
I deal with a lot of graduate engineers, most of them might as well have skipped uni and entered the real world after doing A levels - all their degree has given them is a sense of expertise that is unfortunately unmatched by their actual abilities.
All this goes back to Blair, and his stupid idea that 50% of young people should go to uni. It's resulted in a massive collapse in university standards, wasted what could be three of the most productive years of many young people's lives, saddled a whole generation with debt, and is now destroying opportunities for those who don't go to university because employers are expecting degrees as standard.
The problem is that putting this gene back in its bottle (by reducing uni places, or restricting funding to those who academically merit it) will cause lots of very public hissing and screeching, so no government is going to hurry to resolve the issue.
The anti-degree group are arguing that the "must have a degree - even a degree in Stupidity from Baldrick Polytechnic" concept is rubbish.
I (and I believe yourself) are arguing that a "degree" would be good - if it teaches useful things.
Impractical bullshit is not intellectualism. Standards for degrees at the second rate universities are set to get passes.
Not long ago I interviewed a third year graduate in technology. Who had no concept of anything in technology - his final year project was a piece of rubbish that any hobbyist could have put together on a wet afternoon. He literally had no programming skills in the language he had written the software for this in - he must of copy and pasted from some websites. Quite literally, my next door neighbours 14 year old knows more and better than this one did. As for critical thinking skills....
My only criticism is that you’re judging the quality of a degree on the ability at the end of it to do a specific job.
I assume you’re talking about software engineering?
These arguments however do not apply to nursing as I understand nursing degrees are essentially tailored to exactly what the NHS wants.
You do a nursing degree and you pass, there would be no disputing your ability to do the job.
I worked in Oil and Gas after my Mech Eng degree and the most valuable skill I applied from my degree to the job was being able to teach myself the concepts that was needed to do that specific job.
At the end of the day, if we send someone for three years and thousands of pounds of specialist training, I'd feel happier about it if they could actually do something useful at the far end of it. My critical thinking skills suggest when that's not happening it's time to think again.
It did teach me how to learn though.
Just as Labour appears not to have noticed in its drive (see for instance the Jess Phillips stuff earlier in this thread) for working class authenticity that the country has for the second time in the last three elections voted in bona-fide toffs from Eton, Oxford and the Bullingdon Club. The electorate does not give a damn how much Jess spends on sodding earrings.
Frankly, moving server and upgrading to https took too much of my time, and now I have real work to do.
But you do, you do. Carry on into well deserved oblivion.
In the old days, you'd have doctors and nurses. And there'd be little specialist equipment. And you'd be given one of a small number of drugs. And you'd rest and be hydrated. And you'd survive or not.
Medicine, now, is so specialised. And a lot of the more general work, right up to prescribing of drugs, is now performed by nurses. (Indeed, in many a busy A&E you can be triaged by a regular nurse, sent to a Nurse Practioner, who examines your XRays, and then prescribes you painkillers. You can have had an entire hospital visit, without being seen by a medical doctor.
Much of the traditional role of nurse - cleaning up vomit, washing patients, and the like - is now performed by Healthcare Assistants, who do much of the grunt work.
If we want nurses to be capable of prescribing drugs, they need training. Whether that is a degree or some combination is another matter. But I think it's simplistic to think of nursing these days as a relatively low skilled profession.
https://twitter.com/Theophite/status/1211893572338716672?s=19
The problem for Labour is exactly the same problem that faced the Tories in 1997-2007. It’s all very well and good having principles, but the government in power is now unashamedly in place for the sake of holding and retaining its position. Even more so than Blairism, which was similar but did have some vague underpinning ideology - I do not think Johnson, given the electoral coalition he has assembled, will have any scruples about doing what he thinks the prevailing mood of the country calls for. This is what New Labour also did well - if it’s a policy that looks like it will go down well, nab it.
I struggle to see how a Corbynite Labour Party stays relevant.
The 'it' being the utter destruction of the Labour Party and/or its relegation to fifth party status.
Old Bernie Sanders will be 79 in January 2021.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2019/05/03/2020-candidates-ages/3643967002/
https://labourlist.org/2019/12/emily-thornberry-my-answers-to-five-key-leadership-questions/
It's interesting for two reasons:
1) Emily Thornberry is going to be absolutely hammered by members for admitting she argued against increased spending and also for saying the manifesto was uncosted. Both may be true - the second certainly is - but as we've seen on here, Labour members can't handle facts. They only want their narratives, and she doesn't fit.
2) We should take seriously the possibility a Corbynista could win again, for the same reason as in 2015 - they offer what Labour members want to hear, while the alternative candidates have neither talent nor charisma and are not charting an effective path back to power.
There also needs to be a pathway for experienced people in one profession to be able to transition to another, with their experience used as training credit.