Brendan Rodgers will finally win the Premier League this season.
We all know that when Liverpool are top of the League at Christmas, the team in second place picks up the trophy
Indeed. Boxing day fixture looks like a fascinating 6-pointer. Who would have thought that at the start of the season?
Joking aside, I think Liverpool are too far ahead to be caught.
This last week was a bit shaky for Leicester, but at the start of the season would have taken 39 points, second place and cup semi vs Villa at Christmas.
Boxing day could go either way, but Boxing Day fixtures do seem to favour the home team.
"Indeed, since everyone is talking about the electoral importance of towns at the moment, note that in the top two divisions there are just two clubs with the word “Town” in their title (and none in the Premier League), compared to eight with “City” in their title. Whereas in the bottom three divisions, there are 14 “Town”s, and five “City”s"
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
"Indeed, since everyone is talking about the electoral importance of towns at the moment, note that in the top two divisions there are just two clubs with the word “Town” in their title (and none in the Premier League), compared to eight with “City” in their title. Whereas in the bottom three divisions, there are 14 “Town”s, and five “City”s"
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
Depends upon the club.
I support two clubs - Tranmere Rovers and Liverpool - and I think the experience is fantastic whether at Prenton Park or Anfield. The experience is different, Tranmere being a more classic local club, but the atmosphere in Anfield is a unique experience. Some clubs atmospheres can be very "corporate" and sterile but I don't think anyone who has ever been to Anfield could suggest that there.
Will just use the short window before I get banned again for well who knows what to wish you all a merry Xmas and will be around to settle up any bets I have for 2020 with our SNP friends.
With the news that Ed Miliband is in charge of one of the post mortems it was interesting to hear on this podcast with Matthew Goodwin that Ed was briefed on the Labour meltdown over 5 years ago.
Wow. Real gulf in class there. That says a lot. The Tories can thank their lucky stars that the election was decided at the ballot box and not on the football field. They'd have been hammered - by my calculations a majority of at least 150 for Labour.
Will just use the short window before I get banned again for well who knows what to wish you all a merry Xmas and will be around to settle up any bets I have for 2020 with our SNP friends.
With the news that Ed Miliband is in charge of one of the post mortems it was interesting to hear on this podcast with Matthew Goodwin that Ed was briefed on the Labour meltdown over 5 years ago.
If one week really is a long time in politics as Harold Wilson once said, then two years let alone three years is surely an eternity. Who would have guessed in 2015 that we would be facing a General Election a mere two years hence and that this would be followed only another two years later still by yet another General Election in 2019? Yet those seemingly generous folk at SkyBet are willing to offer odds of 25/1 against the next GE taking place in 2021 or 22/1 against it being held in 2022. By backing both these options and staking 46.9% and 53.1% respectively, one will receive winning odds of 11.2% should either of these year-long bets prove successful. I'm not going to even contemplate the sort of circumstances which could conceivably result in such timing of a General Election. Better at this stage to sum up up the combined possibilities in four brief words uttered by Wilson's predecessor, Harold Macmillan ... "Events, Dear Boy, Events"!
Of course the difference between now and then is that the government now has a very healthy majority. The current working majority is 87. After 2017 the government was a minority government so an early election made a lot of sense so long as it looked winnable. After 2015 the government had a very small majority so an early election made some sense when it looked like a landslide would be the result. Why go early now?
I think the odds of an extremely early election this Parliament to be well below 11%.
1. There are any number of reasons why we might have a GE in 2021 or 2022, quite apart from the Gov't deciding to "go early" ... indeed the Gov't might not have much part in the decision making process.
2. I don't consider a General Election held in 2021 or 2022 to be "extremely" early.
3. For those uninitiated when it comes to betting, odds of 11.2/1 which apply here, represent a winning chance in percentage terms of 8.2%, not 11% as referred to.
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
As someone who lives in Huntingdon, I can say it's a pretty solid traditional Tory shire seat, with a strongish Lib Dem and Labour presence in the town itself and the Tories very strong elsewhere in the constituency. Taking 1997 as a benchmark for Tory support seems wrong, however, as John Major received the boost that sitting PMs usually get.
2001, Djanogly's first election, and where the Tories basically stood still nationally seems a better starting point. He got 24.5k votes and 49.9. There has been a slow increase in the number of Tory votes and share since then to roughly 32k and 55%.
There is no obvious anti-Tory party, with the Lib Dems and Labour swapping over as 2nd place since 2001 on several occasions. There was a strong UKIP vote (9,000 in 2015) but which has largely switched to the Tories post-referendum (though the former UKIP independent candidate still got nearly 2,000 votes this time).
I work in Cambridge and the improvements to the A14, which are ongoing but due to be complete at the end of next year will likely increase the Cambridge commuter zone and see more young liberal voters exiled from Cambridge come to live in the constituency. There is a chance, therefore, that Huntingdon might become more like South Cambs in a few years and, if voters can identify the most successful anti-Tory vehicle, put pressure on the seat, especially in a bad year for the Tories.
Will just use the short window before I get banned again for well who knows what to wish you all a merry Xmas and will be around to settle up any bets I have for 2020 with our SNP friends.
With the news that Ed Miliband is in charge of one of the post mortems it was interesting to hear on this podcast with Matthew Goodwin that Ed was briefed on the Labour meltdown over 5 years ago.
Very thoughtful on his 'Reasons to be Cheerful' podcast with Geoff Lloyd on 16th. Which I listened to while in the gym this morning. The good Mr Corbyn obviously didn't impress Ed's voters in Doncaster North, but his bringing Ronnie O'Sullivan to Miners Welfare Clubs did.
So Labour won most seats wiith club grounds in the Premier League and Championship, the Tories won most seats with club grounds in League One and League Two. Interestingly while the article says Chelsea is the only Remain voting seat with a ground in the Premier League the Tories hold, Chelsea supporters had the highest number of Leave supporters of any in the Premier League.
It looks like the only LD seat with a club ground was Wimbledon, which has its ground in Kingston upon Thames
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
This parliament was elected at a time when the next election has to be held on May 9th 2024.
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
So Labour won most seats wiith club grounds in the Premier League and Championship, the Tories won most seats with club grounds in League One and League Two. Interestingly while the article says Chelsea is the only Remain voting seat with a ground in the Premier League the Tories hold, Chelsea supporters had the highest number of Leave supporters of any in the Premier League.
It looks like the only LD seat with a club ground was Wimbledon
Is the table correct? I thought Liverpool (and Everton) voted Remain? Or is this down to their particular constituency?
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
So Labour won most seats wiith club grounds in the Premier League and Championship, the Tories won most seats with club grounds in League One and League Two. Interestingly while the article says Chelsea is the only Remain voting seat with a ground in the Premier League the Tories hold, Chelsea supporters had the highest number of Leave supporters of any in the Premier League.
It looks like the only LD seat with a club ground was Wimbledon
Is the table correct? I thought Liverpool (and Everton) voted Remain? Or is this down to their particular constituency?
The latter, Anfield and Goodison Park are in Liverpool Walton which voted 54% Leave.
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
This parliament was elected at a time when the next election has to be held on May 9th 2024.
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
When they get round to it, Boris' Government will repeal the FTPA, which in turn repealed the Act under which GE's had to be at least every five years. Repealing an Act which in itself repealed another, doesn't AIUI (although I could be wrong) mean that we're back to the status quo ante. The next election, therefore, I suggest, could be some way away. Just suppose, that the new Parliamentary Elections Act, which will include all the noxious suggestions, such as producing a driving licence or passport before being able to vote says that elections will be held when the Queen, on the advice of the PM says they will be? Or we go back to the 18thC and elections are held then, or on the death of the Sovereign.
So Labour won most seats wiith club grounds in the Premier League and Championship, the Tories won most seats with club grounds in League One and League Two. Interestingly while the article says Chelsea is the only Remain voting seat with a ground in the Premier League the Tories hold, Chelsea supporters had the highest number of Leave supporters of any in the Premier League.
It looks like the only LD seat with a club ground was Wimbledon
Is the table correct? I thought Liverpool (and Everton) voted Remain? Or is this down to their particular constituency?
The latter, Anfield and Goodison Park are in Liverpool Walton which voted 54% Leave.
Interesting that despite Walton narrowly voting leave, the Lab share barely budged, down to a mere 84.7% share!
One question on elections - why the 4 and 5 year historical idiosyncrasy ?
May 2024 splits the anomaly which is why I think it's such an almost cert
Surely you go after four years if the polls are looking favourable. You only hang on for five when you're hoping something comes up. It didn't in 1997, arguably it did in 2010 as I think the expenses scandal probably hurt the Tories more.
If I were gay and living anywhere near that school in Birmingham, I might be inclined to disagree with you on the "wholly brilliant" thing.
I think you are conflating two separate issues.
I agree with Gabs about the benefits of migration and freedom of movement.
But at the same time I believe that migrants must abide by both the spirit and the letter of the laws and culture of the country they are moving to. So I would be far tougher on any aspects of immigrant culture which result in challenges to our own laws and customs. This would include absolutely no concessions for religion when it comes to how our schools operate or our laws on things like animal welfare. If migrants don't like this then they can go elsewhere. If they are happy to abide by our laws and customs - or in the case of the latter at least not challenge them - then they should be welcome.
Our problem historically is that we have welcomed immigration whilst not expecting migrants to abide by our own laws and respect our own culture. The vast majority of migrants have done this off their own back as they are decent people. A very few have chosen not to. That is where our laws should insist that they do.
I almost agree with you, I was essentially just reaching for the most obvious example to disprove Gabs "wholly brilliant" statement.
The economic benefits of migration are easy to prove and while there are definitely winners and losers the net effect is overall positive.
Culturally speaking it is much more difficult. I think society works well when it's a melting pot, but I feel deeply uneasy about the lack of integration in today's society and I don't think this is something you can regulate with the law.
You can make it illegal to discriminate against someone and make hate speech a crime, but you can't prevent a person from hating another person because of who or what they are.
The law might prevent me from saying "I hate gays" but it can't stop me from thinking it or engaging in any number of low level, ostracising behaviours designed to make the other feel uncomfortable, while remaining within the letter of the law.
I'm immensely proud of the great strides the UK has taken within my lifetime to become a more socially liberal, secular, tolerant and open society. However we need to recognise that immigrants from other societies may not share those values and we can't simply regulate their values away from them. Therefore it is a problem.
The answer for me is to only allow immigration from people (note: not places) who share our values. However this is very difficult to achieve in practice.
"Indeed, since everyone is talking about the electoral importance of towns at the moment, note that in the top two divisions there are just two clubs with the word “Town” in their title (and none in the Premier League), compared to eight with “City” in their title. Whereas in the bottom three divisions, there are 14 “Town”s, and five “City”s"
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
Depends upon the club.
I support two clubs - Tranmere Rovers and Liverpool - and I think the experience is fantastic whether at Prenton Park or Anfield. The experience is different, Tranmere being a more classic local club, but the atmosphere in Anfield is a unique experience. Some clubs atmospheres can be very "corporate" and sterile but I don't think anyone who has ever been to Anfield could suggest that there.
Anfield on a European Cup evening is one of the best atmospheres of any sporting event anywhere. Definitely need to get back there more often.
The closest personal memory would be an international at Twickenham (vs Australia on Remembrance Day 2010 - 80,000 people standing for two full minutes' silence, followed by the most electric of atmospheres as England cruised to a win).
One question on elections - why the 4 and 5 year historical idiosyncrasy ?
May 2024 splits the anomaly which is why I think it's such an almost cert
Surely you go after four years if the polls are looking favourable. You only hang on for five when you're hoping something comes up. It didn't in 1997, arguably it did in 2010 as I think the expenses scandal probably hurt the Tories more.
May 2024 is 4 years 5 months. Another thing is I think the Tories will keep the campaign period as short as possible
We all know that every betting company does this, it's just that the DM has got it in for this particular one this week, after their annual accounts showed that the bosses got large salaries and bonuses.
Would be good to see DCMS take an interest in this sort of data profiling behaviour though, a lot of us on here have at one time or another been reduced to pennies or had accounts closed altogether.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
This parliament was elected at a time when the next election has to be held on May 9th 2024.
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
When they get round to it, Boris' Government will repeal the FTPA, which in turn repealed the Act under which GE's had to be at least every five years. Repealing an Act which in itself repealed another, doesn't AIUI (although I could be wrong) mean that we're back to the status quo ante. The next election, therefore, I suggest, could be some way away. Just suppose, that the new Parliamentary Elections Act, which will include all the noxious suggestions, such as producing a driving licence or passport before being able to vote says that elections will be held when the Queen, on the advice of the PM says they will be? Or we go back to the 18thC and elections are held then, or on the death of the Sovereign.
i don't see why we need General Elections at all. I mean, the Lib Dems were prepared to Revoke a massive referendum mandate, just because they wanted to.
Let that be our example! Let the Tories Revoke electoral democracy, and govern for all time. It's for the best.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
This parliament was elected at a time when the next election has to be held on May 9th 2024.
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
When they get round to it, Boris' Government will repeal the FTPA, which in turn repealed the Act under which GE's had to be at least every five years. Repealing an Act which in itself repealed another, doesn't AIUI (although I could be wrong) mean that we're back to the status quo ante. The next election, therefore, I suggest, could be some way away. Just suppose, that the new Parliamentary Elections Act, which will include all the noxious suggestions, such as producing a driving licence or passport before being able to vote says that elections will be held when the Queen, on the advice of the PM says they will be? Or we go back to the 18thC and elections are held then, or on the death of the Sovereign.
i don't see why we need General Elections at all. I mean, the Lib Dems were prepared to Revoke a massive referendum mandate, just because they wanted to.
Let that be our example! Let the Tories Revoke electoral democracy, and govern for all time. It's for the best.
Steady on. Maybe for the rest of our 1000-year mandate, sure. But for all time?
F1: 5 year contract for Leclerc. ttps://twitter.com/LukeSmithF1/status/1209056102211575809
Bad news for Vettel, but also means any new Ferrari driver has to know they'll be treated as a number two, possibly excepting Hamilton.
Can't blame either Ferrari or Leclerc for wanting to get that one down early.
Watch for what Lewis does now, he's the only other driver who can take his pick of seats, and the rumours continue to swirl about the intentions of Mercedes in the future of the sport. He wants two more titles to give him pretty much every major record in the books.
1. That's much more likely in a Hung Parliament situation, not particularly likely in a working majority of 87 situation.
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
This parliament was elected at a time when the next election has to be held on May 9th 2024.
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
When they get round to it, Boris' Government will repeal the FTPA, which in turn repealed the Act under which GE's had to be at least every five years. Repealing an Act which in itself repealed another, doesn't AIUI (although I could be wrong) mean that we're back to the status quo ante. The next election, therefore, I suggest, could be some way away. Just suppose, that the new Parliamentary Elections Act, which will include all the noxious suggestions, such as producing a driving licence or passport before being able to vote says that elections will be held when the Queen, on the advice of the PM says they will be? Or we go back to the 18thC and elections are held then, or on the death of the Sovereign.
i don't see why we need General Elections at all. I mean, the Lib Dems were prepared to Revoke a massive referendum mandate, just because they wanted to.
Let that be our example! Let the Tories Revoke electoral democracy, and govern for all time. It's for the best.
Steady on. Maybe for the rest of our 1000-year mandate, sure. But for all time?
OK OK. Until the Entropic Death of the Observable Universe. THEN we can have an election. And maybe PR.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
PS. And here's a reminder why unpopular politicians should never try and hang on the coat tails of teams they don't support.
On topic - this reflects the long term move for Labour away from the coalfields to the cities.
In the 80s the Tories had lots of inner London. They'll be almost wiped out there next election
It is a global phenomonon, just as Labour won almost all of inner London on 12th December, Hillary swept New York city, Chicago, San Francisco and LA, Macron swept Paris in the first round of the French presidential election, Australian Labor won Sydney and Melbourne in May, Trudeau's Liberals swept Toronto and Montreal in November but the further away from the inner cities you got and into the suburbs and especially industrial or ex industrial towns and rural areas, the more conservative it became
In 2038 she'll still be four years younger than Johnson is now - and very unlikely to have matured in the intervening 19 years.
Well I think she will. 32 to 51 is a period when people do a great deal of maturing. Look at me. People knowing me at 32 would never believe the Wise Old Owl I have become.
Mind you, Johnson has shown that one can be very (!) immature and yet comprehensively win a GE as leader of a major party. He's shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
In 2038 she'll still be four years younger than Johnson is now - and very unlikely to have matured in the intervening 19 years.
Well I think she will. 32 to 51 is a period when people do a great deal of maturing. Look at me. People knowing me at 32 would never believe the Wise Old Owl I have become.
Mind you, Johnson has shown that one can be very (!) immature and yet comprehensively win a GE as leader of a major party. He's shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I prefer the example of her mentor, Corbyn's barely changed his mind on any subject since the 1970s.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
"Indeed, since everyone is talking about the electoral importance of towns at the moment, note that in the top two divisions there are just two clubs with the word “Town” in their title (and none in the Premier League), compared to eight with “City” in their title. Whereas in the bottom three divisions, there are 14 “Town”s, and five “City”s"
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
Depends upon the club.
I support two clubs - Tranmere Rovers and Liverpool - and I think the experience is fantastic whether at Prenton Park or Anfield. The experience is different, Tranmere being a more classic local club, but the atmosphere in Anfield is a unique experience. Some clubs atmospheres can be very "corporate" and sterile but I don't think anyone who has ever been to Anfield could suggest that there.
Fair enough, I've not been to Anfield. Arsenal probably not a great example as it is pretty corporate with lots of Johnny come lately fans
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
It's not too surprising that the Tories have the most efficient vote, since Labour will have had a lot of near misses.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
I have a suspicion that the more prosperous parts of some of the big cities might move back towards the Tories next time unless Brexit remains a big issue which is far from certain. Especially if, as seems likely, Labour will remain on its extreme leftish niche. There is no obvious reason for SW London seats to remain red given the social and income profile of many of their voters. I could also see more towns going blue - Swansea and Sunderland spring to mind with zero or very limited Labour recovery virtually anywhere. It seems they may have to wait a while before they're back in the running unless they can accept the need to move back to the centre.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
To be fair to him, he was around for a few days afterwards.
I have a suspicion that the more prosperous parts of some of the big cities might move back towards the Tories next time unless Brexit remains a big issue which is far from certain. Especially if, as seems likely, Labour will remain on its extreme leftish niche. There is no obvious reason for SW London seats to remain red given the social and income profile of many of their voters. I could also see more towns going blue - Swansea and Sunderland spring to mind with zero or very limited Labour recovery virtually anywhere. It seems they may have to wait a while before they're back in the running unless they can accept the need to move back to the centre.
Tory defences 37 - 43 next time round are interesting:
Peterborough - Peterborough Population 201,041 (Some in NW Cambs) Derby North - Derby population 248,700 Guildford - Guildford population 80,000 Stroud - County constituency, Stroud population just over 12,000 Wrexham - Wrexham population 65,692 Aberconwy County constituency, Llandudno population just over 20,000 Pudsey - Leeds suburbia
Geographically very spread, only 1 facing a non Labour opponent (Guildford). Suggests the next few GEs at least are fought over towns as @HYUFD posits.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
To be fair to him, he was around for a few days afterwards.
Yes He was but he was either a troll or knew sfa ....
In 2038 she'll still be four years younger than Johnson is now - and very unlikely to have matured in the intervening 19 years.
Well I think she will. 32 to 51 is a period when people do a great deal of maturing. Look at me. People knowing me at 32 would never believe the Wise Old Owl I have become.
Mind you, Johnson has shown that one can be very (!) immature and yet comprehensively win a GE as leader of a major party. He's shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I prefer the example of her mentor, Corbyn's barely changed his mind on any subject since the 1970s.
When you've achieved moral perfection at an early age why change?
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
A brief break I'm sure. A GE is draining.
I think I could do another. Not sure about our Francis though.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
....with trend lines.....
I'm at work today, but will be on a plane tomorrow bored for six hours and thinking of Christmas. Will see if I can knock up something going back half a dozen elections .
"Indeed, since everyone is talking about the electoral importance of towns at the moment, note that in the top two divisions there are just two clubs with the word “Town” in their title (and none in the Premier League), compared to eight with “City” in their title. Whereas in the bottom three divisions, there are 14 “Town”s, and five “City”s"
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
Depends upon the club.
I support two clubs - Tranmere Rovers and Liverpool - and I think the experience is fantastic whether at Prenton Park or Anfield. The experience is different, Tranmere being a more classic local club, but the atmosphere in Anfield is a unique experience. Some clubs atmospheres can be very "corporate" and sterile but I don't think anyone who has ever been to Anfield could suggest that there.
Fair enough, I've not been to Anfield. Arsenal probably not a great example as it is pretty corporate with lots of Johnny come lately fans
If I watch football (not often, half a dozen times a year?) I go to Oxford or Liverpool. Have to agree - Liverpool not corporate at all, incredibly welcoming and a definite feeling of community and family (though Hillsborough provide a very strong moral core for that). Man City had the most 'corporate' feel to it, but that may have been the ground was so sparkly clean...
Football clubs are a fascinating lens to study business through because it's such a different modus operandi. They can cheerfully ignore golden rules of other businesses (e.g. if you hack customers off they'll go elsewhere) but at the same time 'customers' (i.e. fans) can feel they have real agency for change within their clubs.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
Mince pies better than xmas pudding? I dont know this country anymore and I dont want to know it now.
Also, no human being worthy of my respect could, when hungry, be offered a choice of a roast potato or bacon/sausage related product and choose the potato. Roast potatoes are great, but they are the support act.
Mansfield is now a safer Tory seat than Huntingdon, Ben Bradley got 64% on December 12th to Jonathan Djanogoly's 55%.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
I think he misses a couple of things here:
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
All factors but none of that changes the core facts that Mansfield is a working class seat and Huntingdon is a middle class seat and since 1992 Mansfield has gone from just 33% Tory to 64% Tory while Huntingdon has gone from 66% Tory to 54% Tory.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
We need a thread on the efficiency of the Tory vote......
Party Votes Seats Votes per seat Con 13,966,565 365 38,264 Lab 10,269,076 202 50,837 SNP 1,242,380 48 25,882 LD 3,696,423 12 308,035 BXP 642,303 0
....with trend lines.....
I'm at work today, but will be on a plane tomorrow bored for six hours and thinking of Christmas. Will see if I can knock up something going back half a dozen elections .
I’d have to play with the data to take a proper view, but my instinct is that “votes per seat” somehow needs normalising to take account of sizes of seats to be really meaningful. Some sort of “adjusted votes per seat”.
Thanks for the thread. A reminder that: 1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.) 2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Mentioning West Bromwich reminds me:
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
Correct Horse Battery seems to have disappeared too..??
To be fair to him, he was around for a few days afterwards.
I can remember saying Albion was over emotionally involved.The Lib Dem campaign was a disaster from start to finish with terrible leadership.I was advising on here to sell Lib Dem seats and tipped Carshalton and Wallington to go early on (though got Kingston wrong). Got slagged off on here for doing so.They narrowly avoided almost total wipe out due to 4 Scottish holds which were difficult to predict either way from an English standpoint.
Mince pies better than xmas pudding? I dont know this country anymore and I dont want to know it now.
Also, no human being worthy of my respect could, when hungry, be offered a choice of a roast potato or bacon/sausage related product and choose the potato. Roast potatoes are great, but they are the support act.
It depends who cooked the roast potatoes! If my mother had cooked them, it would be no contest.
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https://twitter.com/LukeSmithF1/status/1209056102211575809
Bad news for Vettel, but also means any new Ferrari driver has to know they'll be treated as a number two, possibly excepting Hamilton.
Brendan Rodgers will finally win the Premier League this season.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1209035443381125122?s=21
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1209036313820835841?s=21
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1209037672066535424?s=21
This last week was a bit shaky for Leicester, but at the start of the season would have taken 39 points, second place and cup semi vs Villa at Christmas.
Boxing day could go either way, but Boxing Day fixtures do seem to favour the home team.
Interesting header. I'd say there as the same kind of resentment from clubs lower down the tier towards the elite as there is in the country politically, the two map quite well. Could be just a coincidence, but I much prefer the experience of watching lower tier football at the ground to the Corporate Premiership experience. The American owners of either Dagenham or Orient mentioned this too - they loved the fact that the fans could go to the bar after the game and see the players in there
EDIT Obv the fact that American consortiums have bought those clubs makes that a bit of a corporate experience too I guess
I support two clubs - Tranmere Rovers and Liverpool - and I think the experience is fantastic whether at Prenton Park or Anfield. The experience is different, Tranmere being a more classic local club, but the atmosphere in Anfield is a unique experience. Some clubs atmospheres can be very "corporate" and sterile but I don't think anyone who has ever been to Anfield could suggest that there.
British version of MIT may be coming to Leeds.
With the news that Ed Miliband is in charge of one of the post mortems it was interesting to hear on this podcast with Matthew Goodwin that Ed was briefed on the Labour meltdown over 5 years ago.
Will he be listening this time ?
https://audioboom.com/posts/7460974-matthew-goodwin-why-labour-lost-the-election
"Oh Jeremy Corbyn. Oh Jeremy Corbyn."
2. I do. Classically early is to hold the election in Year 4 (eg 2001, 2005, 1987 etc). 2023 might be determined to be the classically early date this time, before that is extremely rare. An election essentially 1-2 years into a full term with a virtually landslide majority is entirely without precedent that I can think of.
3. I doubt even 20/1 would be value personally.
2001, Djanogly's first election, and where the Tories basically stood still nationally seems a better starting point. He got 24.5k votes and 49.9. There has been a slow increase in the number of Tory votes and share since then to roughly 32k and 55%.
There is no obvious anti-Tory party, with the Lib Dems and Labour swapping over as 2nd place since 2001 on several occasions. There was a strong UKIP vote (9,000 in 2015) but which has largely switched to the Tories post-referendum (though the former UKIP independent candidate still got nearly 2,000 votes this time).
I work in Cambridge and the improvements to the A14, which are ongoing but due to be complete at the end of next year will likely increase the Cambridge commuter zone and see more young liberal voters exiled from Cambridge come to live in the constituency. There is a chance, therefore, that Huntingdon might become more like South Cambs in a few years and, if voters can identify the most successful anti-Tory vehicle, put pressure on the seat, especially in a bad year for the Tories.
It looks like the only LD seat with a club ground was Wimbledon, which has its ground in Kingston upon Thames
For whatever I did to get banned I can only apologise.
Hope everyone had a profitable election !
As Boris is not an idiot (he's a lot of things but idiot is not one of them) and won't push things I don't think he will wait for an election on that date or push it later.
If he has a good chance of winning an election in May or October 2023 I expect he will take it.
That suggests middle class Tory Remain or narrowly Leave voting seats in the South are more vulnerable now than working class heavily Leave voting Tory seats in the Midlands and the North and Wales but Labour need a more centrist leader to be able to appeal to them or else one who does not frighten middle class voters so much that they vote Tory still rather than risk voting LD
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7821167/Betting-firm-Bet365-uses-backdoor-algorithms-block-potential-big-winners.html
The next election, therefore, I suggest, could be some way away.
Just suppose, that the new Parliamentary Elections Act, which will include all the noxious suggestions, such as producing a driving licence or passport before being able to vote says that elections will be held when the Queen, on the advice of the PM says they will be?
Or we go back to the 18thC and elections are held then, or on the death of the Sovereign.
May 2024 splits the anomaly which is why I think it's such an almost cert
In the 80s the Tories had lots of inner London. They'll be almost wiped out there next election
The economic benefits of migration are easy to prove and while there are definitely winners and losers the net effect is overall positive.
Culturally speaking it is much more difficult. I think society works well when it's a melting pot, but I feel deeply uneasy about the lack of integration in today's society and I don't think this is something you can regulate with the law.
You can make it illegal to discriminate against someone and make hate speech a crime, but you can't prevent a person from hating another person because of who or what they are.
The law might prevent me from saying "I hate gays" but it can't stop me from thinking it or engaging in any number of low level, ostracising behaviours designed to make the other feel uncomfortable, while remaining within the letter of the law.
I'm immensely proud of the great strides the UK has taken within my lifetime to become a more socially liberal, secular, tolerant and open society. However we need to recognise that immigrants from other societies may not share those values and we can't simply regulate their values away from them. Therefore it is a problem.
The answer for me is to only allow immigration from people (note: not places) who share our values. However this is very difficult to achieve in practice.
The closest personal memory would be an international at Twickenham (vs Australia on Remembrance Day 2010 - 80,000 people standing for two full minutes' silence, followed by the most electric of atmospheres as England cruised to a win).
Would be good to see DCMS take an interest in this sort of data profiling behaviour though, a lot of us on here have at one time or another been reduced to pennies or had accounts closed altogether.
1 - The difference between "post-mining" and "post-industrial". I can point you to new manufacturing companies in the area employing a thousand+ each which have been grown from tiddlers since say 1975 (eg Eurocell, Synseal).
2 - Growth of Local / Independent Politics.
3 - Ben Bradley has aiui borrowed the Lib Dem toolkit.
4 - Significant new housing / commuting.
The Labour vote has collapsed in Mansfield from 54% in 1992 to just 30% now while in Huntingdon the Labour vote has actually risen from 16% in 1992 to 22% now
Let that be our example! Let the Tories Revoke electoral democracy, and govern for all time. It's for the best.
A reminder that:
1. Wolves are top of the league table (of teams in seats which changed hands at the GE.)
2. West Bromwich (East and West) don't have a football team worthy of the name, although in Wolverhampton we knew that already.
Watch for what Lewis does now, he's the only other driver who can take his pick of seats, and the rumours continue to swirl about the intentions of Mercedes in the future of the sport. He wants two more titles to give him pretty much every major record in the books.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/general-election-2019/2019/12/11/corbyns-molineux-publicity-stunt-prompts-fury-from-wolves-fans/
Mind you, Johnson has shown that one can be very (!) immature and yet comprehensively win a GE as leader of a major party. He's shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Has anyone seen @alb1on since he called me an idiot who didn’t know what he was talking about for suggesting that he was a LibDem shill who was massively overestimating their chances?
I'm just popping in to say that I'm taking a bit of a break from PB. Thank you everyone for your entertainment and insights.
I will return once we have a new leader.
Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
Peterborough - Peterborough Population 201,041 (Some in NW Cambs)
Derby North - Derby population 248,700
Guildford - Guildford population 80,000
Stroud - County constituency, Stroud population just over 12,000
Wrexham - Wrexham population 65,692
Aberconwy County constituency, Llandudno population just over 20,000
Pudsey - Leeds suburbia
Geographically very spread, only 1 facing a non Labour opponent (Guildford). Suggests the next few GEs at least are fought over towns as @HYUFD posits.
https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1209011785430454273?s=20
https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1209009262636290048?s=20
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1209072886100713472?s=20
If the left stay with the thinking that their socialist agenda was popular, they are doomed.
Football clubs are a fascinating lens to study business through because it's such a different modus operandi. They can cheerfully ignore golden rules of other businesses (e.g. if you hack customers off they'll go elsewhere) but at the same time 'customers' (i.e. fans) can feel they have real agency for change within their clubs.
not enough of those of late on this site
The other one is Stormzy.
Full of vim, wit, and passion. And he does - or he fakes - emotional intelligence very well.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1208789388278276096?s=20
He might just have the makings of a fine prime minister. He's certainly the first I can watch, since Early Blair, without wincing or yawning.