I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
My Mother in law is like you. Staunch Labour. In her mind, the Conservatives are the enemy, but the Liberal Democrats are worse. They're traitors because they prevent Labour winning seats.
The fact that its not illegal to have more than two parties passes her by. It's Labour or Traitors/Enemy.
Those of us who are fans of full-chested lady MPs with a good line in yellow knitwear will be pleased to note that Dehenna Davidson has won Bishop Auckland. A more-than adequate replacement for the former member for East Dunbartonshire
'Would be apt given his reforms allowed Corbyn to become Labour leader' - I'd be interested in the argument for this. All sections (not just the registered supporters) voted Corbyn, and Miliband's reforms were pushed by the Right of the party to weaken the union vote. It was a David Miliband 'Movement for Change' style approach.
Did you notice that Labour's share is down in Remain seats. Your thesis that this is Brexit is plain wrong.
We'll see what the shifts are after. It clearly isn't by faction of thevMP as you said.
I can easily imagine Labour getting squeezed in both. Most Remain voters who aren't active EUphiles are lukewarm on a second referendum, and those that are I could see going for more strident pro-Remain parties for understandable reasons.
The real catastrophe is in 'old Labour' Leave seats so far, and a position similar to 2017 with no threat of a second referendum might have mitigated this disaster.
You're prepared to consider any theory except the one starring you in the face. Corbyn was toxic.
Corbyn was unpopular. Left-wing policies that would only have been adopted under Corbyn do poll well, and the broader movement has helped (financially for the party and on the ground). In 2017 Labour improved their position considerably, with Corbyn in place, though not enough to win. He is no more toxic now than then.
As I said, the big difference between 2017 and 2019 is not Corbyn. It's the threat of having to gonvote in a second referendum, n a question voters consider was settled three years ago.
It's 3pm. It's bed time. It's 1983 all over again. It will be hard to come back from this. It took 14 years last time. This one may be harder. There is no obvious successor and both the left and right of the party are now broken and lacking ideas.
There are three silver linings for Labour.
1) Boris now has to keep his promises. He will struggle, and if Brexit causes the predicted economic damage it will create opportunities. 2) No other party emerged in England as a viable challenger to the Tories. The LDs are dead. 3) There are clearly no safe seats anymore and Labour has proved it can win in the South. Just as Labour's underbelly is soft, so will the Tories in a bad year.
I'm sad for the Eastbourne MP who backed Mrs May's Brexit deal, was chucked out the LibDems, got back in again, and now has been ejected by his constituents.
Am I alone in detecting a hint of glee in Laura K’s commentary on Labour’s implosion? Can’t blame her given the treatment she’s had from the Corbynistas.
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Mid Ulster : Francie Molloy (Sinn Fein) re-elected.
In her mind, the Conservatives are the enemy, but the Liberal Democrats are worse. They're traitors because they prevent Labour winning seats.
The fact that its not illegal to have more than two parties passes her by. It's Labour or Traitors/Enemy.
SNP 21,156
SLD 4,071
UKIP 493
SLab 17,270
SNP GAIN from SLab, swing 6.1%
Nationalist landslide in Scotland and likely majority nationalist in NI
This is the last UK GE including Scotland. The fissure is now a canyon.
SLD 1,419
SNP 17,929
slab 12,728
SGrn 685
SCon 7,011
SNP HOLD
Not a good night for the Liberal Democrats...
Right!!!!?
oh dear, never mind
still 10/11 SNP gain available on bet365
As I said, the big difference between 2017 and 2019 is not Corbyn. It's the threat of having to gonvote in a second referendum, n a question voters consider was settled three years ago.
Creagh gone.
There are three silver linings for Labour.
1) Boris now has to keep his promises. He will struggle, and if Brexit causes the predicted economic damage it will create opportunities.
2) No other party emerged in England as a viable challenger to the Tories. The LDs are dead.
3) There are clearly no safe seats anymore and Labour has proved it can win in the South. Just as Labour's underbelly is soft, so will the Tories in a bad year.
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1205321603996962817?s=20
UKIP was indeed a warning that Labour didn't listen.