I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
Ed started Labour down this path. He was clearly not ready to lead, but let his ego get the better of him. He made it ok within the party to trash the record of the previous government. He managed to lose the 2015 election and his greatest achievement the £3 membership paved the way to entryism.
Harsh but it's hard to disagree.
Still, for all his faults he's a decent Labour figure, and (a bit like William Hague) he's grown with bitter experience.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
So surely their voters would choose to vote Tory over Labour
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
Then they are doing you a favour by standing in elections.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
'Would be apt given his reforms allowed Corbyn to become Labour leader' - I'd be interested in the argument for this. All sections (not just the registered supporters) voted Corbyn, and Miliband's reforms were pushed by the Right of the party to weaken the union vote. It was a David Miliband 'Movement for Change' style approach.
Did you notice that Labour's share is down in Remain seats. Your thesis that this is Brexit is plain wrong.
We'll see what the shifts are after. It clearly isn't by faction of thevMP as you said.
I can easily imagine Labour getting squeezed in both. Most Remain voters who aren't active EUphiles are lukewarm on a second referendum, and those that are I could see going for more strident pro-Remain parties for understandable reasons.
The real catastrophe is in 'old Labour' Leave seats so far, and a position similar to 2017 with no threat of a second referendum might have mitigated this disaster.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
So why the fuck would they stand aside to help Labour? Are you a parody account?
'Would be apt given his reforms allowed Corbyn to become Labour leader' - I'd be interested in the argument for this. All sections (not just the registered supporters) voted Corbyn, and Miliband's reforms were pushed by the Right of the party to weaken the union vote. It was a David Miliband 'Movement for Change' style approach.
Did you notice that Labour's share is down in Remain seats. Your thesis that this is Brexit is plain wrong.
We'll see what the shifts are after. It clearly isn't by faction of thevMP as you said.
I can easily imagine Labour getting squeezed in both. Most Remain voters who aren't active EUphiles are lukewarm on a second referendum, and those that are I could see going for more strident pro-Remain parties for understandable reasons.
The real catastrophe is in 'old Labour' Leave seats so far, and a position similar to 2017 with no threat of a second referendum might have mitigated this disaster.
You're prepared to consider any theory except the one starring you in the face. Corbyn was toxic.
Amid the carnage, everyone should take a moment to seee how Labour some of these (now former) Labour seats have been. Bishop Auckland has been Labour since 1918.
I think we will get to 100 seats that labour have lost or potentially won because of the liberal democrat existence.
It would be electorally more sensible for Labour to disband, since a majority of their voters would choose a sensible centre party over the Tories. If the LibDems disbanded their votes would split between the two parties.
Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
The liberal democrats are tories.
They gave us cameron. they gave us austerity. they betrayed students they gave us brexit.
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Your simultaneously accusing the LibDems of being Tories then expecting them all to prefer Labour makes no sense at all.
Still, for all his faults he's a decent Labour figure, and (a bit like William Hague) he's grown with bitter experience.
How will Yvette Cooper do ?
They gave us cameron.
they gave us austerity.
they betrayed students
they gave us brexit.
Tory gain Bishop Auckland.
Perhaps Boris can get Rory the Tory back in the tent.
Think we are OK in Harrow W
I can easily imagine Labour getting squeezed in both. Most Remain voters who aren't active EUphiles are lukewarm on a second referendum, and those that are I could see going for more strident pro-Remain parties for understandable reasons.
The real catastrophe is in 'old Labour' Leave seats so far, and a position similar to 2017 with no threat of a second referendum might have mitigated this disaster.
Con 17,049
LD 13,096
Lab 11,624
Grn 728
Lib 101
CPA 125
Yougov overestimated Labour in Scotland.
Tory hold Chuka 2nd
SNP 27,362
Con 19,812
LD 3,780
Lab 2,471
Classic Dom.
Belfast West : Paul Maskey (Sinn Fein) re-elected but vote count down significantly.
Chuka Can't!
LOL
(Pity about Chuka, though).