Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.
There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
Mainly because they hope to advance their politics through their comedy.
I am sure Mark Thomas does, but at least back in the day, he was genuinely funny. I think a good part of it was he was able to laugh at how nuts some of the people involved marches and protests actually are.
It seems Nish Kumar anybody opposed to him politically as the enemy and his side is not to be laughed at.
The first rule of comedy: be funny.
Any political impact you feel like making through your comedy should be incidental, and left up to the audience to decide, and not the central pitch of your act.
Mark Thomas is a prime example - seen him several times always excellent, he uses his politics in a very self-deprecating way and is absolutely brilliant. His one man play about his father's death, and love of opera is heartbreaking and hilarious, moved me to tears.
Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan. If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked. Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.
He was middle of the road Tory for London and left a mess when he left. Now he's a hard-right PM because that's what he needs to do to win. He is whatever he needs to be to win - and then he ruins things when he gets in and after he leaves. I don't want a mini-Trump in power, I will do whatever I can to stop him.
You mean moan on PB? Your time would be better repaid campaigning for a centrist to lead the Labour Party instead of the gaggle of extremist cranks now driving it into a brick wall.
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?
Bath maybe not Bristol, Bristol students are mainly privately educated Tory toffs
Some polling earlier that showed 1 in 25 of the voters out there think Labour will get a majority of more 50. If we exclude SNP seats (because, they just aren't going to win any, but let's be kind and say they don't lose any either) then to have a majoirty of over 50, then they would have to take all their target seats upto and including Banbury (requiring a 10% swing). Flavible is currently pedicting a 29% margin on the Con majority. Just in case anybody wondered.
I think that it shows is the public rarely really have a clue what is going on. It makes all this stuff about careful tactical voting a nonsense. Yes some switched on people will, but not the masses.
I keep saying on here that facts do not matter. In politics, perception is everything. That is why Vote Leave won.
Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.
There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
Mainly because they hope to advance their politics through their comedy.
I am sure Mark Thomas does, but at least back in the day, he was genuinely funny. I think a good part of it was he was able to laugh at how nuts some of the people involved marches and protests actually are.
It seems Nish Kumar anybody opposed to him politically as the enemy and his side is not to be laughed at.
The first rule of comedy: be funny.
Any political impact you feel like making through your comedy should be incidental, and left up to the audience to decide, and not the central pitch of your act.
Mark Thomas is a prime example - seen him several times always excellent, he uses his politics in a very self-deprecating way and is absolutely brilliant. His one man play about his father's death, and love of opera is heartbreaking and hilarious, moved me to tears.
BRAVO FIGARO! was one of the best shows I have seen, ever. I saw it in a tiny room which seated about 100 people and the intimacy made it even more moving as it was like he was telling friends this incredible moving and personal story.
The 17 point lead for Labour in London is in spite of poor turnout in those under 49.
If Labour can improve that then they’d be well over 20 points clear .
Labour will probably poll what it did in 2017 in London, I can't see any reason why not. The key is the Lib Dem strength in certain seats (I still expect some upsets) and where Labour Leave voters go. The trajectory is them going to Labour - but it needs to carry on over the next few days.
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?
Bath maybe not Bristol, Bristol students are mainly privately educated Tory toffs
They ain't you know. They are privately educated Corbynistas. See Bristol West results at the last GE. The Tory candidate got 14% of the vote, only beating out the Green by 1%.
Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan. If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked. Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.
He was middle of the road Tory for London and left a mess when he left. Now he's a hard-right PM because that's what he needs to do to win. He is whatever he needs to be to win - and then he ruins things when he gets in and after he leaves. I don't want a mini-Trump in power, I will do whatever I can to stop him.
Left a mess? Hardly. London just carried on for eight years being that great metropolitan, multi-cultural thing it is today. Given the dire warnings before he was elected - you know, the ones where all the luvvies were just going to HAVE to leave the place if he did - I'd say we got away lightly, what with the city not sinking into the Thames and washing out to sea....
I think a 15 to 45-50 or so tory majority would be a very bad result for Labour. Puts Johnson once again at the mercy of the ERG, rather than able to compromise on Europe. Less than that, and the sheer instability of events may return us to much of where we before. More than that, and he's free and clear to do what he wants.
But if Johnson ends up at the mercy of the ERG, and thus goes for a Hard Brexit and a raft of other loony right wing policies, is that not GOOD for Labour? Last thing we want is him doing a pragmatic economic-damage-limiting Brexit and then governing in sensible 'One Nation Tory' fashion.
I think the last sentence is exactly what he’ll do.
He might. Let's see what his first cabinet tells us.
Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan. If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked. Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.
He was middle of the road Tory for London and left a mess when he left. Now he's a hard-right PM because that's what he needs to do to win. He is whatever he needs to be to win - and then he ruins things when he gets in and after he leaves. I don't want a mini-Trump in power, I will do whatever I can to stop him.
Left a mess? Hardly. London just carried on for eight years being that great metropolitan, multi-cultural thing it is today. Given the dire warnings before he was elected - you know, the ones where all the luvvies were just going to HAVE to leave the place if he did - I'd say we got away lightly, what with the city not sinking into the Thames and washing out to sea....
The increase in homeless people and those sleeping rough under a Government he supported and worked on behalf of, is enough of a reason for me to utterly despise him and his party. It's an absolute disgrace.
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?
Bath maybe not Bristol, Bristol students are mainly privately educated Tory toffs
They ain't you know. They are privately educated Corbynistas. See Bristol West results at the last GE. The Tory candidate got 14% of the vote, only beating out the Green by 1%.
University of the West of England is also in Bristol and if their parents live in Chelsea and Fulham you can guarantee those Bristol Uni students are Tory toffs
What political positions of Johnson would you describe as being on the political extreme?
Shutting down Parliament in order to ram legislation through without scrutiny. Usually the preserve of dictators and other undesirables...
How can you ram through legislation if it’s shut down? The only people ramming through legislation were Remainers, and look at how that turned out for them.
The 17 point lead for Labour in London is in spite of poor turnout in those under 49.
If Labour can improve that then they’d be well over 20 points clear .
Labour will probably poll what it did in 2017 in London, I can't see any reason why not. The key is the Lib Dem strength in certain seats (I still expect some upsets) and where Labour Leave voters go. The trajectory is them going to Labour - but it needs to carry on over the next few days.
If Labour are to gain any seats at all in the election they will likely be in London e.g. Chingford, Chipping Barnet, Putney etc ie Remain Tory seats with Labour a clear 2nd but not enough for Labour to make up for lost Leave seats to the Tories north of Watford
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?
Bath maybe not Bristol, Bristol students are mainly privately educated Tory toffs
They ain't you know. They are privately educated Corbynistas. See Bristol West results at the last GE. The Tory candidate got 14% of the vote, only beating out the Green by 1%.
University of the West of England is also in Bristol and if their parents live in Chelsea and Fulham you can guarantee those Bristol Uni students are Tory toffs
The 17 point lead for Labour in London is in spite of poor turnout in those under 49.
If Labour can improve that then they’d be well over 20 points clear .
Labour will probably poll what it did in 2017 in London, I can't see any reason why not. The key is the Lib Dem strength in certain seats (I still expect some upsets) and where Labour Leave voters go. The trajectory is them going to Labour - but it needs to carry on over the next few days.
If Labour are to gain any seats at all in the election they will likely be in London e.g. Chingford, Chipping Barnet, Putney etc ie Remain Tory seats with Labour a clear 2nd but not enough for Labour to make up for lost Leave seats to the Tories north of Watford
If it does come up to the wire, those may well be crucial of course.
What political positions of Johnson would you describe as being on the political extreme?
Shutting down Parliament in order to ram legislation through without scrutiny. Usually the preserve of dictators and other undesirables...
How can you ram through legislation if it’s shut down? The only people ramming through legislation were Remainers, and look at how that turned out for them.
I suggest to go back a few weeks and look at the news. It is all documented.....
The 17 point lead for Labour in London is in spite of poor turnout in those under 49.
If Labour can improve that then they’d be well over 20 points clear .
Labour will probably poll what it did in 2017 in London, I can't see any reason why not. The key is the Lib Dem strength in certain seats (I still expect some upsets) and where Labour Leave voters go. The trajectory is them going to Labour - but it needs to carry on over the next few days.
If Labour are to gain any seats at all in the election they will likely be in London e.g. Chingford, Chipping Barnet, Putney etc ie Remain Tory seats with Labour a clear 2nd but not enough for Labour to make up for lost Leave seats to the Tories north of Watford
If it does come up to the wire, those may well be crucial of course.
Warrington South is Tory seat 333 on Electoral calculus ordered list.
Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan. If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked. Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.
He was middle of the road Tory for London and left a mess when he left. Now he's a hard-right PM because that's what he needs to do to win. He is whatever he needs to be to win - and then he ruins things when he gets in and after he leaves. I don't want a mini-Trump in power, I will do whatever I can to stop him.
Left a mess? Hardly. London just carried on for eight years being that great metropolitan, multi-cultural thing it is today. Given the dire warnings before he was elected - you know, the ones where all the luvvies were just going to HAVE to leave the place if he did - I'd say we got away lightly, what with the city not sinking into the Thames and washing out to sea....
The increase in homeless people and those sleeping rough under a Government he supported and worked on behalf of, is enough of a reason for me to utterly despise him and his party. It's an absolute disgrace.
You might look closer to home as to who let a number of those rough sleepers into the country.... Life has not been great for all of the 3 million Tony Blair let in to "rub the right's nose into diversity"....
Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporaries
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.
A dear friend of mine bid in a Guardian charity auction, for Mark Steele to do a one man show in their front room. Their politics are very much alligned, so should be a blast she thought. And not a small sum either - around £3,500. Which she then won. But was somewhat pissed off when Mark Steele refused to do the show - because he had to travel to Grimsby. Fair play to her, she let the charity keep the money. But since then I have hoped there is a bit of Hell set aside for him where he has to re-enact 70's Wheeltappers and Shunters material with Bernard Manning. For the rest of eternity.
Mark Steel, who does an entire show from different towns all around the country?
That's a winning coalition I reckon in, perhaps five to ten years. Graduates alone are something like 25% of the population.
Shows how important it is for the Tories to be seen to be enabling home ownership among this group.
Feeling like you have a stake in society and having something to 'protect' (home and family) is one of the major triggers that gradually moves young adults from the fiery idealism of youth to a more Conservative friendly position.
You inspired me to check the data. Since 2007, home ownership is down from 56.3% to 51.6% (Resolution Foundation data - goes up to 2017).
Biggest drop is 25-34 y/olds from 36.9% to 25.4%. It's actually risen for the 65+ age group, up from 70.5% to 74.5%.
It’s not just house price inflation, the caution around deposits and stress testing income by the lenders (at the behest of government) puts a very large barrier to ownership. People are paying more in rent than the equivalent in mortgage even after stress tested at 6%.
How do you loosen this without sparking another boom?
I know its unpopular on this site but Help to Buy has helped with this both to make it easier to get deposits and to encourage housebuilders to build increasing amounts of homes.
There is no coincidence that the recent increase in homeownership rates has coincided with the increase in homebuilding rates.
As you yourself bpointed out, the level remained flat even after HTB was introduced. The causal factor may be the reforms Osborne introduced regarding Buy To Let
Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage. Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years. There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
In sharp contrast to the USA, where Netflix, Youtube and podcasts have led a huge resurgence in comedy. The only UK comedy really worth watching is the always-funny 8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown and possibly Mock the Week, most of the British standups have gone horribly woke and lefty, even Frankie Boyle.
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂
Nah - lots are welsh too. Just over the bridge is far enough...
Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage. Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years. There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
In sharp contrast to the USA, where Netflix, Youtube and podcasts have led a huge resurgence in comedy. The only UK comedy really worth watching is the always-funny 8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown and possibly Mock the Week, most of the British standups have gone horribly woke and lefty, even Frankie Boyle.
No doubt it is only me but I thought Frankie Boyle's "your mother knows that you w**k" to the young teenager was the funniest line I have ever heard. I like 8 out of 10 cats, most of the time. I find Jon Richardson funny and really don't mind most of the people being slated on here. The German Guy gives the impression he is a lot cleverer than the rest of them. There is a guy on YouTube, Paul ? Taylor who does a Franglais show who we should be seeing on TV but I guess his humour requires some reasonable knowledge of French - he is bloody good.
Worst ? For me Alan Partridge and Ben Elton - laughing at people, not with them.
Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage. Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years. There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
In sharp contrast to the USA, where Netflix, Youtube and podcasts have led a huge resurgence in comedy. The only UK comedy really worth watching is the always-funny 8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown and possibly Mock the Week, most of the British standups have gone horribly woke and lefty, even Frankie Boyle.
No doubt it is only me but I thought Frankie Boyle's "your mother knows that you w**k" to the young teenager was the funniest line I have ever heard. I like 8 out of 10 cats, most of the time. I find Jon Richardson funny and really don't mind most of the people being slated on here. The German Guy gives the impression he is a lot cleverer than the rest of them. There is a guy on YouTube, Paul ? Taylor who does a Franglais show who we should be seeing on TV but I guess his humour requires some reasonable knowledge of French - he is bloody good. Worst ? For me Alan Partridge and Ben Elton - laughing at people, not with them.
Oh yes, the old Frankie Boyle from a decade ago was an absolute genius, with the stage joke you mentioned and his infamous Mock The Week joke about Diana’s memorial, that left a stage full of comics completely stunned. Sadly he’s now turned into Ben Elton from the late 1980s.
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If Labour can improve that then they’d be well over 20 points clear .
The key is the Lib Dem strength in certain seats (I still expect some upsets) and where Labour Leave voters go. The trajectory is them going to Labour - but it needs to carry on over the next few days.
The only UK comedy really worth watching is the always-funny 8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown and possibly Mock the Week, most of the British standups have gone horribly woke and lefty, even Frankie Boyle.
Worst ? For me Alan Partridge and Ben Elton - laughing at people, not with them.