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  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited November 2019
    ydoethur said:

    I will be very surprised if Labour hold Ynys Môn. With Albert Owen not standing again their vote will almost certainly fragment.

    This is a constituency that hasn’t turned out a sitting MP since 1951, but also hasn’t elected a new MP from the same party since 1929. I do not think this is a hard one to call. Plaid should win pretty easily.
    Ynys Môn - best prices

    PC 4/5
    Lab 11/4
    Con 7/2

    80% return in one month if you are correct.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149

    HYUFD said:
    Profoundly unwise of the Tories to encourage the politicisation of Remembrance Sunday.

    The party has forgotten the difference between party interest and national interest. Re-education is going to be harsh.
    Labour has already politicised it with #socialistsunday on Twitter, in Epping today we even had a Brexit Party van drive past during the silence
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,721
    One more goal for Liverpool please, it puts Leicester to the top of Goal Difference. :)
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    A moment’s silence of distress that Stewart Jackson has failed to be selected for Sevenoaks. The victor, Laura Trott, worked for David Cameron at No 10. The far right takeover of the party accelerates.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Now the Trotts are taking over the fecking Tories as well. Is there no escaping them?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. kle4, a sizeable minority, and the PM losing his seat, might be the optimal result.

    Do you mean a sizeable majority?

    Although we need Patel, Raab and Gove to lose their seats as well, don’t forget.
    I don't know about the others, but Priti Patel is well into blue rosette on a donkey territory. She's completely safe.
    Witham had a Labour MP from 1997 to 2001 when it was part of Braintree but is solid Tory now
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Profoundly unwise of the Tories to encourage the politicisation of Remembrance Sunday.

    The party has forgotten the difference between party interest and national interest. Re-education is going to be harsh.
    Labour has already politicised it with #socialistsunday on Twitter, in Epping today we even had a Brexit Party van drive past during the silence
    But that had nothing to do with the Labour Party, try reading your posts before hitting post please
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Profoundly unwise of the Tories to encourage the politicisation of Remembrance Sunday.

    The party has forgotten the difference between party interest and national interest. Re-education is going to be harsh.
    Labour has already politicised it with #socialistsunday on Twitter, in Epping today we even had a Brexit Party van drive past during the silence
    But that had nothing to do with the Labour Party, try reading your posts before hitting post please
    It did, Labour supporters were tweeting it, plus Corbyn refused to turn up for the Rembrance Day service and concert last night
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,721
    Foxy said:

    One more goal for Liverpool please, it puts Leicester to the top of Goal Difference. :)

    Well, that didn't work very well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    JohnO said:

    A moment’s silence of distress that Stewart Jackson has failed to be selected for Sevenoaks.

    Seumas McCauley’s weeping is audible even in Cannock.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    ydoethur said:

    Kensington - best prices
    Con 6/5
    LD 5/2
    Lab 3/1
    I'm expecting some big LibDem movement in London, especially west from Westminster out into Surrey.

    However, people were rightly incensed by Rees-Mogg and Bridgen. I think there's no love lost for the tories there right now.
    That’s a seat that if they win it back it will be a three-way fight with the Liberal Democrats, which despite them being 8,000 votes adrift doesn’t seem impossible given Sam Gyimah is pretty high profile.

    A lot might depend on Felicity Buchan, about whom I know nothing but the name.

    Dent Coad is a thoroughly unpleasant person and deserves to lose - but then, how many MPs can we say that about?
    Have met Felicity Buchan, posh but hardworking, helped us in Epping Forest in the local elections, has stood in NI before
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    JohnO said:

    A moment’s silence of distress that Stewart Jackson has failed to be selected for Sevenoaks. The victor, Laura Trott, worked for David Cameron at No 10. The far right takeover of the party accelerates.

    Sevenoaks is now more solid Tory than Tunbridge Wells having grown up in West Kent, so well done her,
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited November 2019
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  • JohnO said:

    A moment’s silence of distress that Stewart Jackson has failed to be selected for Sevenoaks. The victor, Laura Trott, worked for David Cameron at No 10. The far right takeover of the party accelerates.

    How is a Cameroon winning ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    ydoethur said:

    I will be very surprised if Labour hold Ynys Môn. With Albert Owen not standing again their vote will almost certainly fragment.

    This is a constituency that hasn’t turned out a sitting MP since 1951, but also hasn’t elected a new MP from the same party since 1929. I do not think this is a hard one to call. Plaid should win pretty easily.
    Ynys Môn - best prices

    PC 4/5
    Lab 11/4
    Con 7/2

    80% return in one month if you are correct.
    My instinct would put them more at 1/3 with Labour about 4-1. I’d say that price for Plaid is value.
  • "Re-education is going to be harsh."

    KINDER

    GENTLER
  • Bad news for the Unionists. Their supporters are pissed off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Kensington - best prices
    Con 6/5
    LD 5/2
    Lab 3/1
    I'm expecting some big LibDem movement in London, especially west from Westminster out into Surrey.

    However, people were rightly incensed by Rees-Mogg and Bridgen. I think there's no love lost for the tories there right now.
    That’s a seat that if they win it back it will be a three-way fight with the Liberal Democrats, which despite them being 8,000 votes adrift doesn’t seem impossible given Sam Gyimah is pretty high profile.

    A lot might depend on Felicity Buchan, about whom I know nothing but the name.

    Dent Coad is a thoroughly unpleasant person and deserves to lose - but then, how many MPs can we say that about?
    Have met Felicity Buchan, posh but hardworking, helped us in Epping Forest in the local elections, has stood in NI before
    Thanks for the info. Have to say I don’t think that’s necessarily the type of candidate I would have chosen. However, there are so many weird crosscurrents in that constituency I don’t blame Ladbrokes for naming it as a tough call.
  • JohnO said:

    A moment’s silence of distress that Stewart Jackson has failed to be selected for Sevenoaks. The victor, Laura Trott, worked for David Cameron at No 10. The far right takeover of the party accelerates.

    How is a Cameroon winning ...
    Against Stewart Jackson, the office cat would be in with a shout.
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    Lab 6/1

    Con Maj over Lab GE 2017 = 2,914
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 437
    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
  • Does anyone know the best way to reclaim your money from cheeky utility companies?

    I left Ovo on 23rd October and they’re sitting on over £700 of my money, and still collecting direct debits (i cancelled yesterday).

    They are telling me it will take “4-6 weeks to issue a final statement” and then “another week” to refund me any monies owed.

    They’ve given me some weasel excuse about that being a ‘standard procedure’. I want them to pull their finger out and stop using my money to aid the cash flow of their business. I bet they’ve had my final meter readings for just as long as my new provider has, which I sent in on 22nd October.

    Any merit in threatening them with the small claims court?
  • JamesPJamesP Posts: 85
    I've now spent my entire political betting budget for this election season.

    On Betfair, I've backed:

    Conservative Majority at 1.95 - £10
    Lib Dem Vote Percentage at 23 5.00%-9.99% - £10

    I feel like 23 is very good odds for the Lib Dems getting under 10% and it's probably mutually exclusive with my other bet.

    What do people here think of Lib Dems getting single figures again?
  • Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Boris is the Tories' Michael Foot!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    JamesP said:

    I've now spent my entire political betting budget for this election season.

    On Betfair, I've backed:

    Conservative Majority at 1.95 - £10
    Lib Dem Vote Percentage at 23 5.00%-9.99% - £10

    I feel like 23 is very good odds for the Lib Dems getting under 10% and it's probably mutually exclusive with my other bet.

    What do people here think of Lib Dems getting single figures again?

    Seats or percentage?

    Neither looks very likely. They were so low last time, and risen so much since then (albeit only really in the last 8 months) that even with a very effective Labour squeeze they will get 10+%, and if they can win 12 seats on 7.9% thanks to super Remain targeting I don't think they are in danger of getting less than that this time.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    I wish, however the most beautiful, successful and all round awesome
    Lauralympics is now Mrs Laura Kenny (married Jason Kenny the brit cyclist)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    I believe we covered this. The tories have had a candidate selected for C&N for a year now. I dont think we established if he stood in that selection competition or not.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    Oof, just checked out the page of Islington North - the Communist League got 7 votes there in 2017. You really should not get fewer votes than it takes nominations to stand, whoever you are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    A university contemporary of mine was in the final 3 for Eddisbury which Timpson got
  • JamesPJamesP Posts: 85
    kle4 said:

    JamesP said:

    I've now spent my entire political betting budget for this election season.

    On Betfair, I've backed:

    Conservative Majority at 1.95 - £10
    Lib Dem Vote Percentage at 23 5.00%-9.99% - £10

    I feel like 23 is very good odds for the Lib Dems getting under 10% and it's probably mutually exclusive with my other bet.

    What do people here think of Lib Dems getting single figures again?

    Seats or percentage?

    Neither looks very likely. They were so low last time, and risen so much since then (albeit only really in the last 8 months) that even with a very effective Labour squeeze they will get 10+%, and if they can win 12 seats on 7.9% thanks to super Remain targeting I don't think they are in danger of getting less than that this time.
    Percentage. If Labour manages to put the squeeze on the Lib Dems and denies the Conservatives a majority, then the Lib Dems would probably be nearing 10% in that scenario.
  • HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
    Boris looked liked he was there to take part in a demonstration.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,236
    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    I believe we covered this. The tories have had a candidate selected for C&N for a year now. I dont think we established if he stood in that selection competition or not.
    Well pardon me for missing the occasional thing. I'm still surprised given how close the loss was that either he didn't stand for selection there when he is standing for parliament again now, or that he did stand and lost out.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    JamesP said:

    I've now spent my entire political betting budget for this election season.

    On Betfair, I've backed:

    Conservative Majority at 1.95 - £10
    Lib Dem Vote Percentage at 23 5.00%-9.99% - £10

    I feel like 23 is very good odds for the Lib Dems getting under 10% and it's probably mutually exclusive with my other bet.

    What do people here think of Lib Dems getting single figures again?

    Very unlikely unless a video emerges of Swinson with a dog. But you can waste your money I’m sure many will take it off you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Boris is the Tories' Michael Foot!
    Boris is the Tories new Thatcher, on current polling he will win the biggest Tory majority to since she was leader in 1987.

    Corbyn is polling no better than Foot did in 1983
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    kle4 said:

    Oof, just checked out the page of Islington North - the Communist League got 7 votes there in 2017. You really should not get fewer votes than it takes nominations to stand, whoever you are.

    I thought fewer votes than nominations was the original plan when they managed to get Jezza in to the leadership election
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Kensington - best prices
    Con 6/5
    LD 5/2
    Lab 3/1
    I'm expecting some big LibDem movement in London, especially west from Westminster out into Surrey.

    However, people were rightly incensed by Rees-Mogg and Bridgen. I think there's no love lost for the tories there right now.
    That’s a seat that if they win it back it will be a three-way fight with the Liberal Democrats, which despite them being 8,000 votes adrift doesn’t seem impossible given Sam Gyimah is pretty high profile.

    A lot might depend on Felicity Buchan, about whom I know nothing but the name.

    Dent Coad is a thoroughly unpleasant person and deserves to lose - but then, how many MPs can we say that about?
    Have met Felicity Buchan, posh but hardworking, helped us in Epping Forest in the local elections, has stood in NI before
    Thanks for the info. Have to say I don’t think that’s necessarily the type of candidate I would have chosen. However, there are so many weird crosscurrents in that constituency I don’t blame Ladbrokes for naming it as a tough call.
    Kensington Tory voters are amongst the poshest in the country, she is fine and she does the work on the doors
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Anyone know why farage cancelled his session with Ridge this morning?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    Oof, just checked out the page of Islington North - the Communist League got 7 votes there in 2017. You really should not get fewer votes than it takes nominations to stand, whoever you are.

    Bobby Smith of the Give Me Back Elmo party (fathers rights) has received 9, 3 and 5 votes in 2 westminster by elections and the 2017 GE
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    kinabalu said:

    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.

    Yes Pidcock is all Labour need..to collapse to third behind the Tories and Liberal Democrats
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    I believe we covered this. The tories have had a candidate selected for C&N for a year now. I dont think we established if he stood in that selection competition or not.
    Well pardon me for missing the occasional thing. I'm still surprised given how close the loss was that either he didn't stand for selection there when he is standing for parliament again now, or that he did stand and lost out.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you weren't keeping up. I was saying I think this was covered here and I believe the reason was as stated, but I am not 100% certain myself.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    nichomar said:

    Anyone know why farage cancelled his session with Ridge this morning?

    Because the brexit party is imploding?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    kinabalu said:

    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.

    OK, Dominic, I’ll buy it. How did you hack this account?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    I believe we covered this. The tories have had a candidate selected for C&N for a year now. I dont think we established if he stood in that selection competition or not.
    Well pardon me for missing the occasional thing. I'm still surprised given how close the loss was that either he didn't stand for selection there when he is standing for parliament again now, or that he did stand and lost out.
    Tsk. Please redouble your efforts to read all comments on PB.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    HYUFD said:

    Kensington - best prices
    Con 6/5
    LD 5/2
    Lab 3/1
    I'm expecting some big LibDem movement in London, especially west from Westminster out into Surrey.

    However, people were rightly incensed by Rees-Mogg and Bridgen. I think there's no love lost for the tories there right now.
    The area from Westminster to Surrey has most of the highest house prices in the country as well as some of the biggest Remain votes, they will not touch Corbyn with a bargepole but they are likely to deliver a big swing from Tory to LD even if Boris wins a majority
    Not only some of the highest house prices, but also some of the most protective homeowners, who are really pissed off with the proposals to build new towns all over Surrey green belt. They have already thrown the Conservatives out in Guildford and Mole Valley in May, almost completely driven by this issue.
  • HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.

    Yes Pidcock is all Labour need..to collapse to third behind the Tories and Liberal Democrats
    Nonsense. She could get them a lot lower than that.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Just went to back Labour in Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

    Betfair Sportsbook has limited me to £2.25.

    Absolute scenes.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,003
    edited November 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
    Girls, get ye a man who will defend you in all and every circumstance like HYUFD does with BJ.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,213
    On a halfway serious note I'm checking this with BetfairCS. They haven't got back to me yet probably because they're checking with traders.
    I think the fair manner for it to be settled would be in the same manner as a dead heat in horse racing though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    edited November 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
    The overcoat was fine - though he’s clearly accumulated a few kilos since he acquired it.
    The hair was pure Worzel Gummidge.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    But good news. One of the very few decent Conservatives.
  • nichomar said:

    Anyone know why farage cancelled his session with Ridge this morning?

    There was a young man named Farage
    Who one day got locked in his garage
    He campaigned so hard
    But let down his guard
    And fell to an electoral barrage
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Yup, from playing around my maximum potential winnings constituency is ten whole pounds.

    Be still my beating heart.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    My bet is that this is pie in the sky and Labour will carry on having a single leader.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.

    Yes Pidcock is all Labour need..to collapse to third behind the Tories and Liberal Democrats
    Nonsense. She could get them a lot lower than that.
    She would be political suicide if Corbyn loses the next general election
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    alb1on said:

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    But good news. One of the very few decent Conservatives.
    Crewe and Nantwich had already been allocated to a different candidate I believe.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Short of evidence that the Ashfield Independents can hit the heights at a national level election, I'd go for the Tories at 7/4 in Ashfield.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236

    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
    Girls, get ye a man who will defend you in all and every circumstance like HYUFD does with BJ.
    A bit too Fatal Attraction...
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Boris is the Tories' Michael Foot!
    Boris is the Tories new Thatcher, on current polling he will win the biggest Tory majority to since she was leader in 1987.

    Corbyn is polling no better than Foot did in 1983
    Possibly. But Thatcher did not have a 'misconduct in public office' charge looming (or any of the other dirt held in the tabloid black books for future leverage).
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Does anyone know the best way to reclaim your money from cheeky utility companies?

    I left Ovo on 23rd October and they’re sitting on over £700 of my money, and still collecting direct debits (i cancelled yesterday).

    They are telling me it will take “4-6 weeks to issue a final statement” and then “another week” to refund me any monies owed.

    They’ve given me some weasel excuse about that being a ‘standard procedure’. I want them to pull their finger out and stop using my money to aid the cash flow of their business. I bet they’ve had my final meter readings for just as long as my new provider has, which I sent in on 22nd October.

    Any merit in threatening them with the small claims court?

    Tell them you are going to write to a newspaper, financial help person.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019
    alb1on said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kensington - best prices
    Con 6/5
    LD 5/2
    Lab 3/1
    I'm expecting some big LibDem movement in London, especially west from Westminster out into Surrey.

    However, people were rightly incensed by Rees-Mogg and Bridgen. I think there's no love lost for the tories there right now.
    The area from Westminster to Surrey has most of the highest house prices in the country as well as some of the biggest Remain votes, they will not touch Corbyn with a bargepole but they are likely to deliver a big swing from Tory to LD even if Boris wins a majority
    Not only some of the highest house prices, but also some of the most protective homeowners, who are really pissed off with the proposals to build new towns all over Surrey green belt. They have already thrown the Conservatives out in Guildford and Mole Valley in May, almost completely driven by this issue.
    Yes Surrey is also leaning LD locally.

    As Yougov showed last week the Tories now get a higher voteshare in the East of England and the Midlands than their traditional heartland of the Southeast with the LDs getting their highest vote now in the Home Counties

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1192803329287569408?s=20

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1192803313462448128?s=20

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1192803297440210944?s=20
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,354
    edited November 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:

    Of the three party leaders at the Cenotaph today, Johnson was a ******* disgrace. Unpolished shoes, a coat he didn't (couldn't?) fasten, and laying his wreath upside down. Corbyn did his usual failure to bow trick. Only Swinson actually performed like a PM.

    Who fucking cares?
    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    What utter crap.

    Boris was perfectly dressed in suit and overcoat
    Boris looked liked he was there to take part in a demonstration.
    Apparently when David Steele saw what Foot was wearing for the Cenotaph ceremony, he warned him it could look wrong. Foot was apparently irritated by this, and testily told him 'It's brand new.' He ignored the Liberal Leader's advice and was excoriated next day in the Press.

    Of course in those days the papers were heavily biased and desperate to impair the Labour Leader's chances. Today they are much more even handed, so we can expect any criticism of Boris's attire to be muted and balanced.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Ashfield is a Tory gain. There are several other seats that are harder to predict.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    PSOE ‘win’ election with 27.3% of vote with 114-119 deputies but not rely a victory
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,119
    edited November 2019


    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    PP recuperaría terreno y lograría, siempre según GAD3, entre 86 y 90 escaños (20,1%), hasta 24 diputados más que en abril. VOX, por su parte, sería la subida más espectacular de la noche al tener entre 56 y 59 escaños, más del doble de los 24 con los que cuenta ahora. Ciudadanos se desploma y perdería hasta 42 diputados de los 57 que tiene ahora, hasta sumar entre 14 y 15. Navarra Suma, por su parte, mantendría sus dos diputados.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019
    Just looking at the photos, of all the leaders past and present in shot, Gordo is the best dressed. Neat and tidy with a proper fitting coat.

    Now I never thought I would say that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Labour are definitely going to get 30%, even with Corbyn, the old tribal vote and all that*. The problem the Tories have is can they really get much more than 35-37%, I have my doubts.

    * and yes the Tories also have a floor of ~30% for the same reason.

    The president Swinson approach to their campaign doesn't seem to be doing the Lib Dems any good at the moment.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Basically PP do very well and VOX DOUBLE deputies from april
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Nice.
  • Does anyone know the best way to reclaim your money from cheeky utility companies?

    I left Ovo on 23rd October and they’re sitting on over £700 of my money, and still collecting direct debits (i cancelled yesterday).

    They are telling me it will take “4-6 weeks to issue a final statement” and then “another week” to refund me any monies owed.

    They’ve given me some weasel excuse about that being a ‘standard procedure’. I want them to pull their finger out and stop using my money to aid the cash flow of their business. I bet they’ve had my final meter readings for just as long as my new provider has, which I sent in on 22nd October.

    Any merit in threatening them with the small claims court?

    Tell them you are going to write to a newspaper, financial help person.
    Not a bad idea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Almost identical to 2010 except the LDs vote lower
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    edited November 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:



    Who fucking cares?

    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Boris is the Tories' Michael Foot!
    Boris is the Tories new Thatcher, on current polling he will win the biggest Tory majority to since she was leader in 1987.

    Corbyn is polling no better than Foot did in 1983
    More like the Tories’ Lloyd George.

    And perhaps with similar consequences for the party.

  • HYUFD said:



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Almost identical to 2010 except the LDs vote lower
    And that leaves us with hung parliament and years of silly buggery by MPs over Brexit.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    The Labour candidate who celebrates the deaths of political opponents has passed the Labour interview and will still remain a candidate for parliament.

    https://www.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1193175260008505345

    Labour is broken institutionally.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019
    PSOE and Podemos lack a majority in Spanish exit polls, as do PP and Citizens and Vox. Catalan nationalists hold the balance of power ironically but PP and Vox up and Citizens down https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1193605482478493697?s=20


  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    BMG? Ooops - need to add them to today's ELBOW!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149

    HYUFD said:



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Almost identical to 2010 except the LDs vote lower
    And that leaves us with hung parliament and years of silly buggery by MPs over Brexit.
    It doesn't as LD seats in 2010 in the Southwest would be Tory on that poll


  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Labour are definitely going to get 30%, even with Corbyn, the old tribal vote and all that*. The problem the Tories have is can they really get much more than 35-37%, I have my doubts.

    * and yes the Tories also have a floor of ~30% for the same reason.
    Well they got 42.5% last time after a terrible campaign and with no one worried about a Corbyn government. Not sure why you dont expect them to get over 35-37%, what with most polls putting them significantly higher than this figure, and some remaining Bxp vote to squeeze, and Corbyn much more unpopular than 2017.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    Noo said:

    Tabman said:



    Who fucking cares?

    Anyone with any respect for people who've died for their country. People unlike Noo, in other words.

    Even Berlusconi made sure he was properly dressed. Even Trump fastens his coat. No Tory PM EVER has looked such a lout at the Cenotaph ceremony.

    Johnson actually managed to let Corbyn look more respectful. And to make the LibDem look more like a real Prime Minister.

    Churchill must be turning in his grave
    Boris is the Tories' Michael Foot!
    Boris is the Tories new Thatcher, on current polling he will win the biggest Tory majority to since she was leader in 1987.

    Corbyn is polling no better than Foot did in 1983
    More like the Tories’ Lloyd George.

    And perhaps with similar consequences for the party.

    Only if he does not deliver Brexit and the Brexit Party overtake the Tories
  • Gabs2 said:

    The Labour candidate who celebrates the deaths of political opponents has passed the Labour interview and will still remain a candidate for parliament.

    https://www.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1193175260008505345

    Labour is broken institutionally.

    Have you in the past posted a load of anti-semite stuff...Erhhhhh....Now be honest....Errrh yes but I am sss.....congratulations you have passed the interview.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268

    Does anyone know the best way to reclaim your money from cheeky utility companies?

    I left Ovo on 23rd October and they’re sitting on over £700 of my money, and still collecting direct debits (i cancelled yesterday).

    They are telling me it will take “4-6 weeks to issue a final statement” and then “another week” to refund me any monies owed.

    They’ve given me some weasel excuse about that being a ‘standard procedure’. I want them to pull their finger out and stop using my money to aid the cash flow of their business. I bet they’ve had my final meter readings for just as long as my new provider has, which I sent in on 22nd October.

    Any merit in threatening them with the small claims court?

    Tell them you are going to write to a newspaper, financial help person.
    Better yet, tell them you are contacting the regulator.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    nichomar said:

    PP recuperaría terreno y lograría, siempre según GAD3, entre 86 y 90 escaños (20,1%), hasta 24 diputados más que en abril. VOX, por su parte, sería la subida más espectacular de la noche al tener entre 56 y 59 escaños, más del doble de los 24 con los que cuenta ahora. Ciudadanos se desploma y perdería hasta 42 diputados de los 57 que tiene ahora, hasta sumar entre 14 y 15. Navarra Suma, por su parte, mantendría sus dos diputados.

    What's this gobbledygook?

    :D
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038



    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    BMG? Ooops - need to add them to today's ELBOW!
    And remove the digits after the decimal point!


  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 37% (+6)
    LAB: 29% (+3)
    LDM: 16% (-4)
    BXP: 9% (-2)

    Via @BMGResearch, 5-8 Nov.
    Changes w/ 1-4 Oct.

    Labour are definitely going to get 30%, even with Corbyn, the old tribal vote and all that*. The problem the Tories have is can they really get much more than 35-37%, I have my doubts.

    * and yes the Tories also have a floor of ~30% for the same reason.
    Well they got 42.5% last time after a terrible campaign and with no one worried about a Corbyn government. Not sure why you dont expect them to get over 35-37%, what with most polls putting them significantly higher than this figure, and some remaining Bxp vote to squeeze, and Corbyn much more unpopular than 2017.
    Because Boris and Brexit are very divisive. May was crap, but didn't bring out the irrational hatred in the way Boris does among some and Brexit is even more divisive now and Remainers can see a path to stopping it.
  • Gabs2 said:

    The Labour candidate who celebrates the deaths of political opponents has passed the Labour interview and will still remain a candidate for parliament.

    https://www.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1193175260008505345

    Labour is broken institutionally.

    You do not need the last word. Labour is broken

    I am coming round to the opinion it will not only be brexit that sees Boris win, it will be the combination of his brexit deal and widescale dislike, even fear, of Corbyn
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Gabs2 said:

    The Labour candidate who celebrates the deaths of political opponents has passed the Labour interview and will still remain a candidate for parliament.

    https://www.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1193175260008505345

    Labour is broken institutionally.

    Dear oh dear.

    Labour appear to be not so much throwing away what should be safe seats lightly as hurling them with great force. Bullying out a candidate in Bassetlaw and keeping certifiable lunatics in Coventry and Rother Valley is just...bizarre.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Sean_F said:
    It is
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019

    Gabs2 said:

    The Labour candidate who celebrates the deaths of political opponents has passed the Labour interview and will still remain a candidate for parliament.

    https://www.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1193175260008505345

    Labour is broken institutionally.

    You do not need the last word. Labour is broken

    I am coming round to the opinion it will not only be brexit that sees Boris win, it will be the combination of his brexit deal and widescale dislike, even fear, of Corbyn
    This stuff isn't getting much of an airing though. I bet if you asked most of the public, they would have no idea about Ms Sultana, more a general well Labour have been accused of anti-Jew stuff in the past.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have a terrific book on next Labour leader. Good profit on all feasible outcomes. So if it gets voided because of this job share plan I will be sore indeed. It would have me chuntering under my breath for days and possibly not getting my usual 8 hours.

    Don't do it Labour. Just go with Pidcock. She is all you need.

    Yes Pidcock is all Labour need..to collapse to third behind the Tories and Liberal Democrats
    Nonsense. She could get them a lot lower than that.
    Has to hold her seat first. Those who value Labour's long term brand could vote tactically this election to spare them that....
  • alb1on said:

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    But good news. One of the very few decent Conservatives.
    Might suggest the Conservatives are also slightly worried re Eddisbury.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019

    alb1on said:

    kle4 said:

    A little surprised Timpson has been picked to fight in Eddisbury rather than Crewe and Nantwich - I didn't realise he only lost it in 2017 by less than 50 votes. Earned a safe seat (in theory) I guess?

    But good news. One of the very few decent Conservatives.
    Might suggest the Conservatives are also slightly worried re Eddisbury.
    I doubt it. The Tories will win it easily, even without the well known and well liked Timpson.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:
    Why do you get so excited about the far-right doing well in European countries?
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