As far as I am concerned, regardless of whether the amendments for 16s or EU Citz is passed, it is now fair game for a future majority government to address the integrity of our voting system by applying reasonable Voter ID checks at all future elections.
The intent is clearly there on the part of opposition parties to gerrymander so for the sake of democracy a Conservative government should move to protect peoples faith in their vote.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
The lack of attention these things are getting is another example of the infantile state that Brexiteers have brought us to.
It takes two to tango. It could have been resolved one way or another by now and other matters would be heard.
16yos shouldn't get the vote. There's no reason there should be one single age at which teenagers should get the right to do every adult thing. It's fair to compare the right to vote with the right to agree a contract or the eligibility for jury service. It's not fair to compare it to the right to have sex, and 16yos and 17yos shouldn't be in the armed forces anyway. Plus most 16yos are very gullible.
Similarly I can't see why foreign citizens who aren't also British citizens should get the vote either, although with (legally not foreign) RoI citizens the arrangements should probably best be left as they are. I had no sympathy with those Norwegian citizens living in Britain who bemoaned the possibility of problems arising with their residence rights after Brexit, explaining that they've lived here for decades and the only reason they haven't applied for British citizenship is that their own government won't let them - meaning that if they obtained British citizenship they'd get stripped of the Norwegian citizenship that is clearly more important to them even though they live in Britain. Well, tough. Treaty obligations between countries change and there was and is nothing stopping them from applying to become British even if it means losing the citizenship of some country they don't live in.
But politics is dirty. Elections are a game.
Meanwhile most Tories who believe it's disgraceful that Labour and the LDs want to give Romanians the vote haven't been campaigning for years for Canadians, Pakistanis, Indians, Cypriots, etc. to be deprived of it.
Lots of foreign citizens already have the vote. Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live here have been able to vote in the UK for decades. No good reason not to extend that to EU citizens IMO.
There is good reason to remove it from anyone who is not a British citizen.
Depending on your POV. I think there is a very logical reason to say anyone who is a British Citizen or who has paid tax for the last year. No taxation without representation. If we do not want foreigners voting then they should not have to pay tax, or at least significantly less. that seems fair to me.
Restricting the franchise to tax payers sounds like an interesting idea. It could be tacked onto the next Finance Bill as a one-line amendment.
Boris Johnson wanted to rush through implementing the biggest economic and political upheaval in decades on a 3 day timetable so all this talk by the government that we must surely take 6 months to study the merits of votes for 16 year olds rings a bit hollow. We can ram through brexit but not this?
Unlikely the amendments would get through but surely the government is being chicken by threatening to pull the bill unless it gets exactly what it wants? Will Corbyn start sending back that KFC merchandise the tories sent him in September?
Extending to EU citizens would not cost anything - they are already on the electoral register for local and European elections. Extending to 16-17 year olds, on the other hand, would require a registration exercise.
"Should children be allowed to get married? Or have sex? Or drive cars and motorbikes? Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? Change their name by deed poll? Fly planes and helicopters?"
Should children be allowed to get married? NO Or have sex? IF OVER 16 AND THEY CHOOSE TO Or drive cars and motorbikes? NO Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? NO Change their name by deed poll? NO Fly planes and helicopters?" NO
As far as I am concerned, regardless of whether the amendments for 16s or EU Citz is passed, it is now fair game for a future majority government to address the integrity of our voting system by applying reasonable Voter ID checks at all future elections.
The intent is clearly there on the part of opposition parties to gerrymander so for the sake of democracy a Conservative government should move to protect peoples faith in their vote.
Depending on your POV. I think there is a very logical reason to say anyone who is a British Citizen or who has paid tax for the last year. No taxation without representation. If we do not want foreigners voting then they should not have to pay tax, or at least significantly less. that seems fair to me.
Boris Johnson wanted to rush through implementing the biggest economic and political upheaval in decades on a 3 day timetable so all this talk by the government that we must surely take 6 months to study the merits of votes for 16 year olds rings a bit hollow. We can ram through brexit but not this?
Unlikely the amendments would get through but surely the government is being chicken by threatening to pull the bill unless it gets exactly what it wants? Will Corbyn start sending back that KFC merchandise the tories sent him in September?
If BJ pulls the election bill. He will rightly be seen as chicken! He went around calling people chlorenated chicken or frieghtened of voters and the like. He cannot have it both ways...
That would be an amusing outcome. Although I think all of this "chicken" talk is infantile. It's not a fight behind the bike shed. It's the reality of UK politics under the FTPA.
Boris Johnson wanted to rush through implementing the biggest economic and political upheaval in decades on a 3 day timetable so all this talk by the government that we must surely take 6 months to study the merits of votes for 16 year olds rings a bit hollow. We can ram through brexit but not this?
Unlikely the amendments would get through but surely the government is being chicken by threatening to pull the bill unless it gets exactly what it wants? Will Corbyn start sending back that KFC merchandise the tories sent him in September?
"Should children be allowed to get married? Or have sex? Or drive cars and motorbikes? Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? Change their name by deed poll? Fly planes and helicopters?"
Should children be allowed to get married? NO (Age 16 with parents consent) Or have sex? IF OVER 16 AND THEY CHOOSE TO (Age 16) Or drive cars and motorbikes? NO (Age 16 and 17) Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? NO (Age 17) Change their name by deed poll? NO (Age 16) Fly planes and helicopters?" NO (Age 17)
And....
Be able to vote in a GE? NO
Current ages for all of those is added in bold above. I take it then that you would raise the age for all of those to 18? Would you lower the ages for adopting a child (21), driving HGVs (21), supervising a learner driver (21 with 3 years experience), commercial pilots licence (21)? After all, if they are adults, why deny them their rights?
16yos shouldn't get the vote. There's no reason there should be one single age at which teenagers should get the right to do every adult thing. It's fair to compare the right to vote with the right to agree a contract or the eligibility for jury service. It's not fair to compare it to the right to have sex, and 16yos and 17yos shouldn't be in the armed forces anyway. Plus most 16yos are very gullible.
Similarly I can't see why foreign citizens who aren't also British citizens should get the vote either, although with (legally not foreign) RoI citizens the arrangements should probably best be left as they are. I had no sympathy with those Norwegian citizens living in Britain who bemoaned the possibility of problems arising with their residence rights after Brexit, explaining that they've lived here for decades and the only reason they haven't applied for British citizenship is that their own government won't let them - meaning that if they obtained British citizenship they'd get stripped of the Norwegian citizenship that is clearly more important to them even though they live in Britain. Well, tough. Treaty obligations between countries change and there was and is nothing stopping them from applying to become British even if it means losing the citizenship of some country they don't live in.
But politics is dirty. Elections are a game.
Meanwhile most Tories who believe it's disgraceful that Labour and the LDs want to give Romanians the vote haven't been campaigning for years for Canadians, Pakistanis, Indians, Cypriots, etc. to be deprived of it.
Lots of foreign citizens already have the vote. Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live here have been able to vote in the UK for decades. No good reason not to extend that to EU citizens IMO.
There is good reason to remove it from anyone who is not a British citizen.
Sigh. And disenfranchise a large chunk of Northern Ireland?
Why not? I am in favour of a united Ireland anyway. Speed thing along.
Besides if they are not British citizens they should not have the vote in UK Parliamentary elections.
Phillips talking about the ridiculous thing people do in Elections introducing someone as "the next Prime Minister" - is she talking about her own Dear Leader?
16yos shouldn't get the vote. There's no reason there should be one single age at which teenagers should get the right to do every adult thing. It's fair to compare the right to vote with the right to agree a contract or the eligibility for jury service. It's not fair to compare it to the right to have sex, and 16yos and 17yos shouldn't be in the armed forces anyway. Plus most 16yos are very gullible.
Similarly I can't see why foreign citizens who aren't also British citizens should get the vote either, although with (legally not foreign) RoI citizens the arrangements should probably best be left as they are. I had no sympathy with those Norwegian citizens living in Britain who bemoaned the possibility of problems arising with their residence rights after Brexit, explaining that they've lived here for decades and the only reason they haven't applied for British citizenship is that their own government won't let them - meaning that if they obtained British citizenship they'd get stripped of the Norwegian citizenship that is clearly more important to them even though they live in Britain. Well, tough. Treaty obligations between countries change and there was and is nothing stopping them from applying to become British even if it means losing the citizenship of some country they don't live in.
But politics is dirty. Elections are a game.
Meanwhile most Tories who believe it's disgraceful that Labour and the LDs want to give Romanians the vote haven't been campaigning for years for Canadians, Pakistanis, Indians, Cypriots, etc. to be deprived of it.
Lots of foreign citizens already have the vote. Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live here have been able to vote in the UK for decades. No good reason not to extend that to EU citizens IMO.
There is good reason to remove it from anyone who is not a British citizen.
Depending on your POV. I think there is a very logical reason to say anyone who is a British Citizen or who has paid tax for the last year. No taxation without representation. If we do not want foreigners voting then they should not have to pay tax, or at least significantly less. that seems fair to me.
And yet runs counter to the rules in almost every other country in the EU. I wonder why that is?
Dennis Skinner is looking old. He always seemed immortal.
He's 87, which surprised me when I checked.
Is he planning to retire? I assumed he'd be the sort to carry on until the end.
He's in danger of losing his seat for the first time in his career. Majority is only 10% in a general area which is swinging to the Tories, like adjacent NE Derbyshire.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Dennis Skinner is looking old. He always seemed immortal.
He's 87, which surprised me when I checked.
Is he planning to retire? I assumed he'd be the sort to carry on until the end.
He's in danger of losing his seat for the first time in his career. Majority is only 10% in a general area which is swinging to the Tories, like adjacent NE Derbyshire.
He should be Father of The House if re-elected, but I understand he doesn't want to do it.
Was surprised at the swing against him at the last GE, but that is a part of the country I do not know well.
He said he'd go at 65, then Cameron kept goading him to retire, so he said he was staying on.
Dennis Skinner is looking old. He always seemed immortal.
He's 87, which surprised me when I checked.
Is he planning to retire? I assumed he'd be the sort to carry on until the end.
I think he's planning to leave in a pine box in due course.
It's conceivable he could lose to the Tories this time - only a 5% swing needed. However, that it's one of the ones the Tories are relying on for their majority (assuming some losses to the Lib Dems in the south and SNP in Scotland) makes me question the strategy. When push comes to shove, can Skinner and Co twist the arms of enough Brexiters who are traditionally Labour... ultimately, I suspect the bridge will hold.
I do rather like Skinner. He tours the nursing homes in his area singing old songs for dementia patients, in memory of his Mum who died some years ago having had Alzheimer's Disease. Beneath the bluff exterior, I think he's a rather sweet, sensitive soul.
Current ages for all of those is added in bold above. I take it then that you would raise the age for all of those to 18? Would you lower the ages for adopting a child (21), driving HGVs (21), supervising a learner driver (21 with 3 years experience), commercial pilots licence (21)? After all, if they are adults, why deny them their rights?
I'm a radical on this - I think that people sufficiently interested in democracy to want to make the very small contribution of voting should be encouraged to do so at any age, although I'd accept some modest minimum like 10 to ensure they had a chance to learn the basics. I see nothing special about turning 18, or 16, that imparts greater wisdom, and I know plenty of level-headed children and scatterbrained older people. We complain that young people are insufficiently interested in society and then prevent them from taking part.
I wouldn't lower the age for things like driving HGVs, for which a small mistake can be fatal. Important though voting is, I wouldn't say that voting unwisely is usually fatal.
Phillips: "No one can answer what happens when there is a returned another hung parliament"
She could be Labour leader one day quite soon IMO.
I don't think the Tories would be keen on an early election if she was.
Phillips would terrify Johnson's Tories.
She's the only MP I've met in person, because she was selling the big issue outside Birmingham New Street Station about a year ago and I decided to buy a copy.
"Should children be allowed to get married? Or have sex? Or drive cars and motorbikes? Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? Change their name by deed poll? Fly planes and helicopters?"
Should children be allowed to get married? NO (Age 16 with parents consent) Or have sex? IF OVER 16 AND THEY CHOOSE TO (Age 16) Or drive cars and motorbikes? NO (Age 16 and 17) Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? NO (Age 17) Change their name by deed poll? NO (Age 16) Fly planes and helicopters?" NO (Age 17)
And....
Be able to vote in a GE? NO
Current ages for all of those is added in bold above. I take it then that you would raise the age for all of those to 18? Would you lower the ages for adopting a child (21), driving HGVs (21), supervising a learner driver (21 with 3 years experience), commercial pilots licence (21)? After all, if they are adults, why deny them their rights?
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
It used to be all fields round here, lad.
AV, pizza toppings, and the occasional by-election was how we spent our days.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
Once upon a time Parliament even used to discuss other things.....
Current ages for all of those is added in bold above. I take it then that you would raise the age for all of those to 18? Would you lower the ages for adopting a child (21), driving HGVs (21), supervising a learner driver (21 with 3 years experience), commercial pilots licence (21)? After all, if they are adults, why deny them their rights?
I'm a radical on this - I think that people sufficiently interested in democracy to want to make the very small contribution of voting should be encouraged to do so at any age, although I'd accept some modest minimum like 10 to ensure they had a chance to learn the basics. I see nothing special about turning 18, or 16, that imparts greater wisdom, and I know plenty of level-headed children and scatterbrained older people. We complain that young people are insufficiently interested in society and then prevent them from taking part.
I wouldn't lower the age for things like driving HGVs, for which a small mistake can be fatal. Important though voting is, I wouldn't say that voting unwisely is usually fatal.
Could be for the country with the likes of Corbyn around.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
It used to be all fields round here, lad.
AV, pizza toppings, and the occasional by-election was how we spent our days.
Boris Johnson wanted to rush through implementing the biggest economic and political upheaval in decades on a 3 day timetable so all this talk by the government that we must surely take 6 months to study the merits of votes for 16 year olds rings a bit hollow. We can ram through brexit but not this?
Unlikely the amendments would get through but surely the government is being chicken by threatening to pull the bill unless it gets exactly what it wants? Will Corbyn start sending back that KFC merchandise the tories sent him in September?
Its not hollow from those also opposed to ramming the WAIB through in 3 days, and more to the point children are taught someone else behaving poorly is no excuse for doing so ourselves, and the same applies to ramming through procedure for partisan advantage. Think what governments will do with both the bad practice of ramming through bulls and tacking on major changes
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
We used to discuss whether Morris’s F1 tips would come good before or after Brexit (noting his recent good run). Those were the days...
Dennis Skinner is looking old. He always seemed immortal.
He's 87, which surprised me when I checked.
Is he planning to retire? I assumed he'd be the sort to carry on until the end.
He's in danger of losing his seat for the first time in his career. Majority is only 10% in a general area which is swinging to the Tories, like adjacent NE Derbyshire.
He should be Father of The House if re-elected, but I understand he doesn't want to do it.
Was surprised at the swing against him at the last GE, but that is a part of the country I do not know well.
He said he'd go at 65, then Cameron kept goading him to retire, so he said he was staying on.
Cameron was strangely influential then given how long ago Skinner was 65.
"Should children be allowed to get married? Or have sex? Or drive cars and motorbikes? Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? Change their name by deed poll? Fly planes and helicopters?"
Should children be allowed to get married? NO Or have sex? IF OVER 16 AND THEY CHOOSE TO Or drive cars and motorbikes? NO Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? NO Change their name by deed poll? NO Fly planes and helicopters?" NO
And....
Be able to vote in a GE? NO
Surely regarding children, sex and voting should be treated similarly.
It should be theoretically illegal but unless there's influence from an adult, and the people are nearly of age, then it's largely ignored and accepted.
My intro to PB was finding it through a recommendation on Twitter, around the time of the Glasgow East by-election. I won a nice sum, thanks to advice on here.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Did this blog used to discuss other stuff before 2016 then?
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Also some interesting developments in the UK's relationship with Huawei (though admittedly this is from yesterday);
https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1335241 It appears that the UK is a good place for China right now, on two counts at least. One is Arm confirming that some of its UK-developed architectures are outside the scope of current U.S. export restrictions. The second is news over the weekend suggesting the British Prime Minister is set to allow Huawei supply to non-contentious parts of the 5G network....
The way our universities are allowing Chinese money to skew their principles of free speech and free inquiry. Another important issue.
I know Brexit and this on-off GE consumes all the attention on here but there are, gasp, a number of other interesting stories out there:-
1. The Grenfell report, the criticism of the Fire Service and the resignation of the head of the Fire Service. 2. Yet another inquiry into the inquiry into Operation Midland. 3. IS taking over the camps where they were held prisoner, as a result of the Turkish fight with the Kurds, and what this means for the possibility of IS regrouping / mutating under another leader. 4. The protests in Iraq and what this might lead to. 5. The Dispatches programme on contacts between civil servants and US trade negotiators re medicine pricing.
Just saying ......
Also some interesting developments in the UK's relationship with Huawei (though admittedly this is from yesterday);
https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1335241 It appears that the UK is a good place for China right now, on two counts at least. One is Arm confirming that some of its UK-developed architectures are outside the scope of current U.S. export restrictions. The second is news over the weekend suggesting the British Prime Minister is set to allow Huawei supply to non-contentious parts of the 5G network....
The way our universities are allowing Chinese money to skew their principles of free speech and free inquiry. Another important issue.
Indeed. And our ability to deflect Chinese influence will not be improved by leaving the EU.
Professor John Curtice makes a prediction on @LBC:
“I will make a prediction. There are going to be a record number of non-Conservative and non-Labour MPs as a result of this election.
Interesting. My bet is we will not see that, but I'm less certain now.
In Scotland he is likely right, with SNP and LDs the only parties looking at gains. Wales may be neutral, and NI can’t make any difference. So it hangs on the LibDem fortunes in England - where most commentators are debating between a small advance and a chance of a big one. Since the SNP had far fewer MPs back when the LibDems were in the 50s, the LDs don’t need to advance too far to fulfil his prediction, especially if a few Indy’s like Grieve also manage to hold on. With Greens and BXP as the wild cards.
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1189219989401804800
Unlikely the amendments would get through but surely the government is being chicken by threatening to pull the bill unless it gets exactly what it wants? Will Corbyn start sending back that KFC merchandise the tories sent him in September?
This is clearly Brexiter time wasting.
"Should children be allowed to get married?
Or have sex?
Or drive cars and motorbikes?
Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present?
Change their name by deed poll?
Fly planes and helicopters?"
Should children be allowed to get married? NO
Or have sex? IF OVER 16 AND THEY CHOOSE TO
Or drive cars and motorbikes? NO
Should the police be allowed to interrogate children without an adult present? NO
Change their name by deed poll? NO
Fly planes and helicopters?" NO
And....
Be able to vote in a GE? NO
"To animadvert upon an amendment is in order; to dilate on it is not..."
Are we looking at a 10pm finish (again) ?
Something just been announced? Surely not on the back of Tusk's tweet?
Not sure how The Beast Of Bolsover would cope with losing his seat to a Tory!
"If BJ pulls the election bill. He will rightly be seen as chicken! "
Either that or principled. (I`ve got my hard hat on again.)
Is he planning to retire? I assumed he'd be the sort to carry on until the end.
Betfair odds on "2020 GE or later" has gone out a touch to 5.1. Tempting.
Indeed. Given the chances of this lot screwing up the vote tonight. I'm on for a couple of quid."
Gone out to 7.0 now! Someone thinks that these amendments are not going to be selected by the Speaker.
Would you lower the ages for adopting a child (21), driving HGVs (21), supervising a learner driver (21 with 3 years experience), commercial pilots licence (21)?
After all, if they are adults, why deny them their rights?
Besides if they are not British citizens they should not have the vote in UK Parliamentary elections.
She invited Johnson to apply for a private members bill, seeing as he can't manage to change the law in other ways.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/29/gordon-sondland-perjury-charges-061056
Anywhere else would have revoted by now.
Was surprised at the swing against him at the last GE, but that is a part of the country I do not know well.
He said he'd go at 65, then Cameron kept goading him to retire, so he said he was staying on.
Wall of foreign money will flood in if we have a GE.
Now saying Corbyn is blocking it.
It's conceivable he could lose to the Tories this time - only a 5% swing needed. However, that it's one of the ones the Tories are relying on for their majority (assuming some losses to the Lib Dems in the south and SNP in Scotland) makes me question the strategy. When push comes to shove, can Skinner and Co twist the arms of enough Brexiters who are traditionally Labour... ultimately, I suspect the bridge will hold.
I do rather like Skinner. He tours the nursing homes in his area singing old songs for dementia patients, in memory of his Mum who died some years ago having had Alzheimer's Disease. Beneath the bluff exterior, I think he's a rather sweet, sensitive soul.
I wouldn't lower the age for things like driving HGVs, for which a small mistake can be fatal. Important though voting is, I wouldn't say that voting unwisely is usually fatal.
Hung Parliament Lab largest party + SNP/Lib-Dem/Green and we'll be looking at another refernedum,
Hung Parliamment Con largest Party + BXP and we're looking at a WTA exit.
Hung Parliament + No viable givernment and we're totally ******
AV, pizza toppings, and the occasional by-election was how we spent our days.
“I will make a prediction. There are going to be a record number of non-Conservative and non-Labour MPs as a result of this election.
Votes at 16 and for EU nationals not selected, and the Lords won’t play silly buggers. It’s on.
I think the desire for perfect consistency in these matter is misplaced.
It should be theoretically illegal but unless there's influence from an adult, and the people are nearly of age, then it's largely ignored and accepted.
I`m not sure how worried Tories should be about BXP now.
"Dear Supporter,
With a Brexit General Election imminent, it has never been more urgent for us to be able to communicate with our supporters and potential voters.
We already have something important ready to post to you. Unfortunately, it seems that we only have part of your contact details on record.
It would be a great help if you could click on the button below and fill in the form with your full details, including postal address.
CLICK HERE TO FILL IN FORM
Thank you for your continuing support. With your help, we are ready to fight for a real Brexit in the General Election.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Glasgow_East_by-election
It would be nice if this current predicament draws to some sort of conclusion, and we can get back to trying to win money...
(Surely if you go all the way back to the days of Whigs and Tories, Professor....?)
Only amendment on date
All others rejected
So to the end, this parliament is arguing over 3 days
Put it out of it's misery now
And our ability to deflect Chinese influence will not be improved by leaving the EU.
IanB2 said:
"Bercow imposes 3 minute limit."
"Is that like the 2 minute challenge on Babestation?"
Only when Melanie Onn is speaking.