Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want Johnson to fail because I loathe him as an individual, but I'd be relieved to see this stage of Brexit resolved in a reasonable and orderly way.
Yep I think that is reasonable. A negotiated Brexit followed by new leaders for both main parties would be a big win
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I will laugh my head off if Boris Johnson fails spectacularly and looks a fool, unless it means that Nazi apologist Corbyn gets in in which case I shall despair.
Not quite an answer. Do you WANT him to fail?
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
But I don't want a government led by monsters like Corbyn and Macdonnell to be the price of that failure.
Still not an answer. Yes or no.
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
Which part of 'yes' did you not get?
The bit where you heavily qualified it with “but, Corbyn”
Your position is insane. You would imperil the country because of your extreme Remainerism.
In this case it not extreme Remainerism. It is a completely irrational hatred of Cummings. ydoethur would rather see the whole world burn than have Cummings actually achieve anything.
I'd love for him to achieve something. It's rather sad that his life has been a total and utter failure and everything he's touched has been a disaster.
Unfortunately it's a function of his weak character, stupidity and incompetence, so it seems unlikely he will achieve anything.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine. Which is kind of strange as I know a fair few people who use heroine in various ways and plenty who use Canabis in one form or another
It’s been the lead story on sky all day and whilst I doubt it infiltrates my world I was wondering about how prevalent it is. The real problem is the crack cocaine and crystal meth that goes who can’t afford the real stuff
Boris cares about one thing. Is it possible that the power of his self-love, the desire to save his own skin, is enough to crack Brexit? It’s just about believable.
"We're heading for something Somewhere I've never been Sometimes I am frightened But I'm ready to learn Of the power of self-loooooooooove!"
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine. Which is kind of strange as I know a fair few people who use heroine in various ways and plenty who use Canabis in one form or another
It’s been the lead story on sky all day and whilst I doubt it infiltrates my world I was wondering about how prevalent it is. The real problem is the crack cocaine and crystal meth that goes who can’t afford the real stuff
Tbh, anyone who has worked in media, banking or law will have seen or done coke.
If anybody is interested in GBP, it's rising against EUR at about 1 cent every two hours, and a similar rate against USD. It's gone from a near-month low this morning to a near-month high now. It's now £1=$1.245 and £1=1.135 at 20:40GMT. If it continues to rise at its present rate it'll hit 1.17EUR and 1.28USD by 9am.
On the far more interesting subject of vacuum cleaners, I had a GTech as well: a main one and a handheld one. Both broke down. Rubbish. As did my Bosch handheld.
The old upright Panasonic was the best. My Henry was pretty good for years but it too broke down. I've had a Miele which now needs repair.
Basically there is little point spending any money on all these fancy bits of equipment, including kettles or toasters, because they all break down after a bit. Trying to find a repair shop is a bit of an endeavour. If we want to stop filling the land or the oceans with rubbish, reinstating the concept of repair shops / services would be a start. As well as building things that last.
I have recently taken to using a sharp handheld brush on my carpeted stairs. Works just as well and gives my arms a workout at the same time.
Anyway that's enough household tips for now.
Has bloody Brexit finally been solved? Or are we being led to the top of the hill by the Duke of York only to be led straight down again?
Dysons are sufficiently common, and sufficiently modular, that you can get them repaired quite easily.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine. Which is kind of strange as I know a fair few people who use heroine in various ways and plenty who use Canabis in one form or another
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I will laugh my head off if Boris Johnson fails spectacularly and looks a fool, unless it means that Nazi apologist Corbyn gets in in which case I shall despair.
Not quite an answer. Do you WANT him to fail?
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
But I don't want a government led by monsters like Corbyn and Macdonnell to be the price of that failure.
Still not an answer. Yes or no.
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
Which part of 'yes' did you not get?
The bit where you heavily qualified it with “but, Corbyn”
Your position is insane. You would imperil the country because of your extreme Remainerism.
In this case it not extreme Remainerism. It is a completely irrational hatred of Cummings. ydoethur would rather see the whole world burn than have Cummings actually achieve anything.
I'd love for him to achieve something. It's rather sad that his life has been a total and utter failure and everything he's touched has been a disaster.
Unfortunately it's a function of his weak character, stupidity and incompetence, so it seems unlikely he will achieve anything.
Who? Corbyn? 😉
The sad truth of the matter is that there are far too many people in politics it could refer to right now. Johnson, Cummings, Milne, Corbyn, Raab, Lavery, Burgon.
It only doesn't apply to Pidcock, Long Bailey, Rayner, Cat Smith and Patel because they're the wrong gender and can't be called 'he.'
Boris has got to serve as PM for another 40 days and 40 nights to beat George Canning and not be the shortest serving PM ever.
Well he could go off into the wilderness to achieve said goal
If an election is agreed on 21st October for 26th/28th November Boris will remain PM during that time and that will get him past Canning whatever the result of the election might be.
If anybody is interested in GBP, it's rising against EUR at about 1 cent every two hours, and a similar rate against USD. It's gone from a near-month low this morning to a near-month high now. It's now £1=$1.245 and £1=1.135 at 20:40GMT. If it continues to rise at its present rate it'll hit 1.17EUR and 1.28USD by 9am.
Boris has got to serve as PM for another 40 days and 40 nights to beat George Canning and not be the shortest serving PM ever.
Well he could go off into the wilderness to achieve said goal
If an election is agreed on 21st October for 26th/28th November Boris will remain PM during that time and that will get him past Canning whatever the result of the election might be.
But will he see the light or the burning bush whilst wandering the desert
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
On the far more interesting subject of vacuum cleaners, I had a GTech as well: a main one and a handheld one. Both broke down. Rubbish. As did my Bosch handheld.
The old upright Panasonic was the best. My Henry was pretty good for years but it too broke down. I've had a Miele which now needs repair.
Basically there is little point spending any money on all these fancy bits of equipment, including kettles or toasters, because they all break down after a bit. Trying to find a repair shop is a bit of an endeavour. If we want to stop filling the land or the oceans with rubbish, reinstating the concept of repair shops / services would be a start. As well as building things that last.
I have recently taken to using a sharp handheld brush on my carpeted stairs. Works just as well and gives my arms a workout at the same time.
Anyway that's enough household tips for now.
Has bloody Brexit finally been solved? Or are we being led to the top of the hill by the Duke of York only to be led straight down again?
Dysons are sufficiently common, and sufficiently modular, that you can get them repaired quite easily.
I like Henrys for their essential simplicity.
I know that they all went to private schools and are generally nice but dim, but I think you're being a bit sweeping in categorising all people with that name in that way. Anyway they all call themselves Harry don't they?
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I will laugh my head off if Boris Johnson fails spectacularly and looks a fool, unless it means that Nazi apologist Corbyn gets in in which case I shall despair.
Not quite an answer. Do you WANT him to fail?
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
But I don't want a government led by monsters like Corbyn and Macdonnell to be the price of that failure.
Still not an answer. Yes or no.
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
Which part of 'yes' did you not get?
The bit where you heavily qualified it with “but, Corbyn”
Your position is insane. You would imperil the country because of your extreme Remainerism.
In this case it not extreme Remainerism. It is a completely irrational hatred of Cummings. ydoethur would rather see the whole world burn than have Cummings actually achieve anything.
I'd love for him to achieve something. It's rather sad that his life has been a total and utter failure and everything he's touched has been a disaster.
Unfortunately it's a function of his weak character, stupidity and incompetence, so it seems unlikely he will achieve anything.
Who? Corbyn? 😉
The sad truth of the matter is that there are far too many people in politics it could refer to right now. Johnson, Cummings, Milne, Corbyn, Raab, Lavery, Burgon.
It only doesn't apply to Pidcock, Long Bailey, Rayner, Cat Smith and Patel because they're the wrong gender and can't be called 'he.'
I know as a nation we have erred in our past, as every nation has, but we’ve been far from the worst. And on balance, everything considered, done more good than bad.
What have the people of this nation done to deserve this complete shower? (Shower being the most polite term I can use. I have several others)
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It seems rather sad that you take as a point of pride defining yourself entirely by opposition to other people.
It’s very unlikely Varadkar would have been so positive if what he offered or what Johnson might concede on wouldn’t be acceptable to the EU at least to go into proper negotiations.
The sticking point as ever is the DUP who have been used by some of the ERG as a reason not to vote for earlier deals .
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine.
All the people I know who use cocaine work in TV too.
Oh, not what you meant...
One of the best comments I ever read in a newspaper went along the lines of: Most of the coke users I know, buy organic food and fairtrade coffee & chocolate, but they happily give up their money to support vicious, corrupt and violent organised crime ruining the lives of millions in developing countries.
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
When negotiating with the DUP on something like this which is best? Good news first or bad News first? Hmmm.
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It seems rather sad that you take as a point of pride defining yourself entirely by opposition to other people.
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I do at times wonder what I missed, the few experiments with canabbis were not terribly successful but we’re not life changing but I’m not aware of an active market for either on the costa Blanca
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It's not just right-wing shitbags who want Leeds to stay in the Championship.....
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
Considering people have been telling us the ERG won't vote against a deal because they'll be out of a job, and considering Johnson has lost his majority and we're heading for an election, does he really need them on board?
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
What’s inside a turd with gold glitter or the path to his re election?
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I don't know who you mean, so I Googled "photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them." All the results were boring and were certainly not the photo opportunity referred to above!
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
But they want him to fail because they want no deal because therwilloftherpeopleinnit. It's pinko faggot scum like me who want this to work.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I don't know who you mean, so I Googled "photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them." All the results were boring and were certainly not the photo opportunity referred to above!
On topic, Donald Trump is alienating part of his coalition over Syria. He needs it to hold firm to stay safe.
Trump has even lost the evangelicals - because they are loyal to the Syrian Christians now being attacked by the Islamist Turk.
This repulsive betrayal corrodes Trump’s base in a very unique way. It could finish him. Let’s hope so.
Backing Erdogan over our allies the Kurds was an extraordinary decision, seeming lacking any kind of understanding of the consequences.
My gut is that Trump doesn't really care about the Kurds, and someone he respects (Erdogan) asked him for a personal favour, and Trump likes giving personal favours and people being obligated to him, so he went for it.
As in, in a phone call, he said "yeah, go for it".
Which is why, of course, Presidents and the like have advisors.
I question whether he even understands what a Kurd IS.
The more I watch Trump, the more convinced I become: that he has some major and worsening cognitive deficit. Possibly early Alzheimer’s?
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
What’s inside a turd with gold glitter or the path to his re election?
Well, we know what's inside a turd with gold glitter.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I don't know who you mean, so I Googled "photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them." All the results were boring and were certainly not the photo opportunity referred to above!
A man who seems to have acquired a lot of jobs since leaving Parliament, including a prominent role in the print media?
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It seems rather sad that you take as a point of pride defining yourself entirely by opposition to other people.
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I can't see you. I'm wearing Toryblockers™.
They appear to be blocking things other than Tories then, so I'd speak to the manufacturers.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I don't know who you mean, so I Googled "photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them." All the results were boring and were certainly not the photo opportunity referred to above!
A man who seems to have acquired a lot of jobs since leaving Parliament, including a prominent role in the print media?
A former chancellor of the exchequer? Whose keyword rhymes with prosperity?
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
Considering people have been telling us the ERG won't vote against a deal because they'll be out of a job, and considering Johnson has lost his majority and we're heading for an election, does he really need them on board?
Yes. Because then the Kinnock Krew are onboard too. And it has the numbers.
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I will laugh my head off if Boris Johnson fails spectacularly and looks a fool, unless it means that Nazi apologist Corbyn gets in in which case I shall despair.
Not quite an answer. Do you WANT him to fail?
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
But I don't want a government led by monsters like Corbyn and Macdonnell to be the price of that failure.
Still not an answer. Yes or no.
Yes, because what he's trying to do at this moment is irresponsible, dangerous and will at best be highly divisive and damaging if he succeeds.
Which part of 'yes' did you not get?
The bit where you heavily qualified it with “but, Corbyn”
Your position is insane. You would imperil the country because of your extreme Remainerism.
In this case it not extreme Remainerism. It is a completely irrational hatred of Cummings. ydoethur would rather see the whole world burn than have Cummings actually achieve anything.
I'd love for him to achieve something. It's rather sad that his life has been a total and utter failure and everything he's touched has been a disaster.
Unfortunately it's a function of his weak character, stupidity and incompetence, so it seems unlikely he will achieve anything.
Who? Corbyn? 😉
The sad truth of the matter is that there are far too many people in politics it could refer to right now. Johnson, Cummings, Milne, Corbyn, Raab, Lavery, Burgon.
It only doesn't apply to Pidcock, Long Bailey, Rayner, Cat Smith and Patel because they're the wrong gender and can't be called 'he.'
What have the people of this nation done to deserve this complete shower?
I would genuinely laugh very hard if Bozza managed to get a deal over the line.
I'd laugh if he did that, then lost an election.
Lose to who, though? One of the reasons Jez has made up a bunch of non-reasons to oppose the Boris deal is because Boris wins a huge majority after securing a deal.
Channel 4 News- Reporter, Lindsey Hilsum saying that the Kurds fought with the British during Second World War to prevent a Nazi coup in Iraq.
The Kurds are not a saintly people - who is? - but they are reliably the best allies of the west in the Mid East, and the likeliest to evolve into a liberal democracy as we know it.
Which is why Trump’s casual betrayal is so nauseating.
The Kurds still remember the shameful European betrayal of Salah ah-Din Yusuf. Even though they took their revenge in a truly spectacular fashion
In response to the two big personal questions of the evening:
1. I'm with Alastair on ironing, although I'm useless at it. Despite being useless, it's very satisfying as long as you limit yourself to extremely easy challenges, like handkerchiefs.
2. I've never known a single person who to my knowledge took cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana since student days.
Boris has got to serve as PM for another 40 days and 40 nights to beat George Canning and not be the shortest serving PM ever.
He has certainly set the bar very low for his successor. Who else could turn a parliamentary majority (with DUP support) from 1 to - 40 odd within the first few months of their premiership? He also looks scruffy and unkempt! BJ should be sacked and some vagrant off the street could replace him. At least they would look smarter and given the level of incompetence BJ has displayed, have a good chance of doing a better job!
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It seems rather sad that you take as a point of pride defining yourself entirely by opposition to other people.
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
I would genuinely laugh very hard if Bozza managed to get a deal over the line.
I'd laugh if he did that, then lost an election.
Lose to who, though? One of the reasons Jez has made up a bunch of non-reasons to oppose the Boris deal is because Boris wins a huge majority after securing a deal.
I think the public's reaction will be hard to predict. Might not some people be backing Boris now as the only means of delivering Brexit, but consider it job done once that is achieved? Labour leavers would have even less reason to consider leaving Labour, since the matter was dealt with (at least, the major first hurdle). Will Farage's inevitable cries of stitch up and betrayal cut through meaningfully? No want the IndyRef but it didn't lead to reward for its proponents.
Of course, a big majority is certainly possible if Boris secures a deal and can see it approved, but several theories exist which say he gets a big majority if he fails to get a deal too, and since I cannot accept it is inevitable he wins a big majority I'm far from certain it will be the case.
The lack of any word from Boris suggests to me he is having to try and extract an unpalatable concession from the DUP. But if they give it, he will have forged a deal with Varadker.
Is the DUP really in a position to veto a deal now?
He needs them on board. Then the tumblers click - and the Brexit deal safe opens.
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
Boris has got to serve as PM for another 40 days and 40 nights to beat George Canning and not be the shortest serving PM ever.
He has certainly set the bar very low for his successor. Who else could turn a parliamentary majority (with DUP support) from 1 to - 40 odd within the first few months of their premiership? He also looks scruffy and unkempt! BJ should be sacked and some vagrant off the street could replace him. At least they would look smarter and given the level of incompetence BJ has displayed, have a good chance of doing a better job!
So Boris gets the deal. The DUP are on board with a NI only soft Brexit. Then what? It doesn't solve anything for car manufacturers ( previous thread), fishermen, farmers, pharma, financial services, users of Kent roads, third country arrangements. The EU doesn't care too much. It's got most of the stuff it wants from the Withdrawal Agreement. Everything else is still to be negotiated.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine. Which is kind of strange as I know a fair few people who use heroine in various ways and plenty who use Canabis in one form or another
In response to the two big personal questions of the evening:
1. I'm with Alastair on ironing, although I'm useless at it. Despite being useless, it's very satisfying as long as you limit yourself to extremely easy challenges, like handkerchiefs.
2. I've never known a single person who to my knowledge took cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana since student days.
Oddly enough marijuana was very prevalent in our Somerset village in the early 2000’s amongst not just the teenagers but their parents.
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine. Which is kind of strange as I know a fair few people who use heroine in various ways and plenty who use Canabis in one form or another
It’s been the lead story on sky all day and whilst I doubt it infiltrates my world I was wondering about how prevalent it is. The real problem is the crack cocaine and crystal meth that goes who can’t afford the real stuff
Tbh, anyone who has worked in media, banking or law will have seen or done coke.
Tonight my Dad & I went to listen to Matthew Syed give a talk about his new book, "Rebel Ideas" in Holborn... he talked a lot about the advantage of cognitive diversity, and in particular not letting the dominance hierachy get in the way of new ideas from unproven individuals. The dangers of groupthink. I'll never get a job in his office as I agree
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine.
All the people I know who use cocaine work in TV too.
Oh, not what you meant...
One of the best comments I ever read in a newspaper went along the lines of: Most of the coke users I know, buy organic food and fairtrade coffee & chocolate, but they happily give up their money to support vicious, corrupt and violent organised crime ruining the lives of millions in developing countries.
So the article was calling for Organic Fairtrade Cocaine to be made available?
It would be a step forward.
To my knowledge I don't know anyone who has used anything stronger than a joint.
Question: how many people on here want Boris to fail?
I’m guessing hardcore Corbynites, who don’t care about Brexit. Any others? Any ultra Remainers who still prefer Remain, even at the risk of No Deal? Or maybe some BXPers?
I want him to fail because I always want the opposite of what the right wing shitbags on here want.
It seems rather sad that you take as a point of pride defining yourself entirely by opposition to other people.
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I can't see you. I'm wearing Toryblockers™.
Where can I obtain this miraculous device?
Not a good idea to frequently wear them, anyway. As someone commented earlier on, first rule of warfare: Know your enemy!
In response to the two big personal questions of the evening:
1. I'm with Alastair on ironing, although I,'m useless at it. Despite being useless, it's very satisfying as long as you limit yourself to extremely easy challenges, like handkerchiefs.
2. I've never known a single person who to my knowledge took cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana since student days.
I have known people who have taken Cocaine, MDMA (E), Speed, Marijuana (skunk), Ephedrine, Magic Mushrooms Poppers and Acid. I don't know anyone who does Drugs now as all the people I knew were at University who did that sort of thing. I sometimes smell a whiff of Marijuana when I am walking in local towns and am amazed at the brazen act of smoking it in public in the day time! Generally I walk past someone smoking it once or twice a month. I don't think drugs should be legalised or decriminalised as they are the road to ruin...
Remainers like myself are in a difficult position .
The two characters I most despise from the EU ref campaign are Johnson and Cummings .
It would give me an enormous pleasure to see both fail , the problem is this isn’t a scenario where their failure guarantees redemption for us Remainers .
And redemption as we may see it ignores the stark reality of where we are .
We can’t wish away the last three years , we can’t ignore the fact the vote happened , we can’t ignore the huge polarization and division in the country .
I think it’s fair to say that as no deal became the apparent only true Brexit that the Remainer wing reacted by going the other way .Where any compromise was now no longer possible .
And for a large part of those three years Remainers have felt completely ignored and that any deal would essentially not even offer a few scraps of comfort .
We can bemoan this and can feel very angry and refuse to accept the reality , there are now very few good options left .
Does anyone seriously think either an election before Brexit or another EU ref won’t be a ghastly affair where the toxicity and division won’t reach even further down into the cesspit .
What’s left of the country after that ?
The reality as I see it is the only way forward is with a deal and I do think it’s now best for both the EU and the UK .
I think Remainers need to accept that on Brexit itself, this battle is now over , Brexit will and should happen .
I’d much rather now have a debate over the future relationship , this is an area that is less toxic and doesn’t need to be one where original Remainers and Leavers can’t find some common ground .
I expect some Remainers in here won’t be that impressed by my acceptance that Brexit will happen .
I’m very sad about Brexit, I think it’s a historic mistake but I fear much worse with either a no deal or another EU referendum .
Both I think would be catastrophic on different levels . Sorry if this sounds hyperbolic but that’s where I’m at after a lot of thought .
We will know when the cycle of optimism for a deal being made (and then approved by the Commons) then hope being dashed is over, when we finally get to a point where you cannot immediately state that if Ireland/EU are happy the DUP are not happy, and vice versa. No clearer sign could demonstrate something useful has been achieved.
Is the Democratic nomination hers to lose now? It's so long to go, but from a casual glance she looks strong, competent and not beset by obviously fatal weaknesses.
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
I was talking to someone this afternoon, who thought No Deal would mean a two year transition period. How do these people get these ideas? They were put right by another member of the gathering in that No Deal means No Transition!
How many on PB use cocaine or know someone that does?
Me, no (obvs). When I posted on here deprecating Gove for his cocaine use, it was the equivalent of dropping a rather large wobbly fart in church. I received some very interesting responses: one condemned me as a snitch, another pointed out that they couldn't arrest him because slebs used it so it wouldn't be fair. So I assume at least one PB poster does.
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
I don't know who you mean, so I Googled "photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them." All the results were boring and were certainly not the photo opportunity referred to above!
May be add “editor of local free newsheet” to your search?
If there is a deal made I wonder how Nandy and the others will explain not voting for it this time (the undoubted horribleness of Boris is not in itself a reason).
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
I was talking to someone this afternoon, who thought No Deal would mean a two year transition period. How do these people get these ideas? They were put right by another member of the gathering in that No Deal means No Transition!
Given some former Cabinet Members have stated the same thing I'm not surprised others believe it too.
In response to the two big personal questions of the evening:
1. I'm with Alastair on ironing, although I,'m useless at it. Despite being useless, it's very satisfying as long as you limit yourself to extremely easy challenges, like handkerchiefs.
2. I've never known a single person who to my knowledge took cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana since student days.
I have known people who have taken Cocaine, MDMA (E), Speed, Marijuana (skunk), Ephedrine, Magic Mushrooms Poppers and Acid. I don't know anyone who does Drugs now as all the people I knew were at University who did that sort of thing. I sometimes smell a whiff of Marijuana when I am walking in local towns and am amazed at the brazen act of smoking it in public in the day time! Generally I walk past someone smoking it once or twice a month. I don't think drugs should be legalised or decriminalised as they are the road to ruin...
It’s a difficult subject but criminalization is not working and attempts to legislate are rapidly being overtaken by chemical developments. An honest debate about how legislation and control may be better would be welcome. Let’s not forget the real future problem is not going to be illegal drugs but prescription narcotics any solutions?
So Boris gets the deal. The DUP are on board with a NI only soft Brexit. Then what? It doesn't solve anything for car manufacturers ( previous thread), fishermen, farmers, pharma, financial services, users of Kent roads, third country arrangements. The EU doesn't care too much. It's got most of the stuff it wants from the Withdrawal Agreement. Everything else is still to be negotiated.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the general population realise that if we leave with a deal, that's only the start of the real Brexit negotiations.
Given Republican nominees still strongly support Trump I fail to see why he will not still be the Republican nominee in 2020 and given the Senate is still in GOP hands I doubt he will be successfully impeached either given any Republican Senator who tries to do so will face a primary challenge
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
I was talking to someone this afternoon, who thought No Deal would mean a two year transition period. How do these people get these ideas? They were put right by another member of the gathering in that No Deal means No Transition!
Remainers like myself are in a difficult position .
The two characters I most despise from the EU ref campaign are Johnson and Cummings .
It would give me an enormous pleasure to see both fail , the problem is this isn’t a scenario where their failure guarantees redemption for us Remainers .
And redemption as we may see it ignores the stark reality of where we are .
We can’t wish away the last three years , we can’t ignore the fact the vote happened , we can’t ignore the huge polarization and division in the country .
I think it’s fair to say that as no deal became the apparent only true Brexit that the Remainer wing reacted by going the other way .Where any compromise was now no longer possible .
And for a large part of those three years Remainers have felt completely ignored and that any deal would essentially not even offer a few scraps of comfort .
We can bemoan this and can feel very angry and refuse to accept the reality , there are now very few good options left .
Does anyone seriously think either an election before Brexit or another EU ref won’t be a ghastly affair where the toxicity and division won’t reach even further down into the cesspit .
What’s left of the country after that ?
The reality as I see it is the only way forward is with a deal and I do think it’s now best for both the EU and the UK .
I think Remainers need to accept that on Brexit itself, this battle is now over , Brexit will happen .
I’d much rather now have a debate over the future relationship , this is an area that is less toxic and doesn’t need to be one where original Remainers and Leavers can’t find some common ground .
I expect some Remainers in here won’t be that impressed by my acceptance that Brexit will happen .
I’m very sad about Brexit, I think it’s a historic mistake but I fear much worse with either a no deal or another EU referendum .
Both I think would be catastrophic on different levels . Sorry if this sounds hyperbolic but that’s where I’m at after a lot of thought .
Bravo. You’re right, of course. That is where we are. We either accept an unhappy compromise, or we proceed to a much much worse place, with no guarantee of our survival as a nation. It’s that grim.
I just hope hardcore Leavers in the Tory party (and Ulster) have the wits to make the same moral journey as you.
Outside of TV I have never actually aeen anyone use Cocaine.
All the people I know who use cocaine work in TV too.
Oh, not what you meant...
One of the best comments I ever read in a newspaper went along the lines of: Most of the coke users I know, buy organic food and fairtrade coffee & chocolate, but they happily give up their money to support vicious, corrupt and violent organised crime ruining the lives of millions in developing countries.
Peter Hitchens makes this point a lot.
Almost all my friends do it here and there... I tend to think it makes interesting characters boring, and boring characters think they're interesting
So Boris gets the deal. The DUP are on board with a NI only soft Brexit. Then what? It doesn't solve anything for car manufacturers ( previous thread), fishermen, farmers, pharma, financial services, users of Kent roads, third country arrangements. The EU doesn't care too much. It's got most of the stuff it wants from the Withdrawal Agreement. Everything else is still to be negotiated.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the general population realise that if we leave with a deal, that's only the start of the real Brexit negotiations.
It would, and is one reason I am far from sure Boris would win big in an election held after Brexit occurs, as there would both be a lot riding on the next few years which many would not want Boris to be in charge of, and plenty of scope for some to be angry that there's still so much talking with the EU to do.
So Boris gets the deal. The DUP are on board with a NI only soft Brexit. Then what? It doesn't solve anything for car manufacturers ( previous thread), fishermen, farmers, pharma, financial services, users of Kent roads, third country arrangements. The EU doesn't care too much. It's got most of the stuff it wants from the Withdrawal Agreement. Everything else is still to be negotiated.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the general population realise that if we leave with a deal, that's only the start of the real Brexit negotiations.
True but there will at least be some goodwill left between the UK and the EU .
Given Republican nominees still strongly support Trump I fail to see why he will not still be the Republican nominee in 2020 and given the Senate is still in GOP hands I doubt he will be successfully impeached either given any Republican Senator who tries to do so will face a primary challenge
The House of Reprasentative's impeaches, so that is quite likely. The Senate decides wheteher an impeached president is removed. That is unlikely
Funny how some people are praising the alleged no detail Johnson deal regardless of what it is before it is even explained deal because they want a boris (whatever the fuck it is deal) so that boris can win the next election to lead us to the newsunlit uplands of Singapore north.
I was talking to someone this afternoon, who thought No Deal would mean a two year transition period. How do these people get these ideas? They were put right by another member of the gathering in that No Deal means No Transition!
Given some former Cabinet Members have stated the same thing I'm not surprised others believe it too.
Also at the moment even with a deal the transition ends on 31/12 2020 not a lot of time to do a lot ofbwork
The drug takers or former drug takers I've met who are the most messed up are ones who have used meth.
Never met anyone but seeing the pictures in the newspapers of addicts is truly shocking. Their faces are hollowed out and cut. I actually have seen a heroin addict I went to school with feature in a local newspaper as a one man crime spree! I went to a comprehensive school with mixed intake. The lad in question hardly ever turned up to be fair and used to fight people when he did! Some people don't know how privileged they have been in going to selective or fee paying schools. They abolished Grammar schools where I lived as a lad and instead we had a comprehensive system. It was a dreadful experience and I used to be terrified at the end of the day walking home as people would attack you!
Given Republican nominees still strongly support Trump I fail to see why he will not still be the Republican nominee in 2020 and given the Senate is still in GOP hands I doubt he will be successfully impeached either given any Republican Senator who tries to do so will face a primary challenge
The Senate acts as a jury, does it not? If the case against Trump is compelling enough, why should senators retreat into mindless partisanship?
IBID/TIPP This week only has Warren leading Trump 48% to 46% ie no different to Hillary's 2016 popular vote lead with Trump leading Warren with Independents 49% to 43%.
So Boris gets the deal. The DUP are on board with a NI only soft Brexit. Then what? It doesn't solve anything for car manufacturers ( previous thread), fishermen, farmers, pharma, financial services, users of Kent roads, third country arrangements. The EU doesn't care too much. It's got most of the stuff it wants from the Withdrawal Agreement. Everything else is still to be negotiated.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the general population realise that if we leave with a deal, that's only the start of the real Brexit negotiations.
True but there will at least be some goodwill left between the UK and the EU .
I wondered what on earth you meant - but you meant there would be more goodwill than if we'd left without a deal, I suppose!
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Oh, not what you meant...
Somewhere I've never been
Sometimes I am frightened
But I'm ready to learn
Of the power of self-loooooooooove!"
Woo.
I like Henrys for their essential simplicity.
It only doesn't apply to Pidcock, Long Bailey, Rayner, Cat Smith and Patel because they're the wrong gender and can't be called 'he.'
What have the people of this nation done to deserve this complete shower? (Shower being the most polite term I can use. I have several others)
There is of course a famous photograph of a former politician in the company of a rather jolly black lady with insufficient clothing at table with some white powder in front of them. Perhaps it was sherbet.
The sticking point as ever is the DUP who have been used by some of the ERG as a reason not to vote for earlier deals .
I can't see you. I'm wearing Toryblockers™.
1. I'm with Alastair on ironing, although I'm useless at it. Despite being useless, it's very satisfying as long as you limit yourself to extremely easy challenges, like handkerchiefs.
2. I've never known a single person who to my knowledge took cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana since student days.
“I pass on, with little confidence or understanding”
!!! So why are you spreading gossip?
Of course, a big majority is certainly possible if Boris secures a deal and can see it approved, but several theories exist which say he gets a big majority if he fails to get a deal too, and since I cannot accept it is inevitable he wins a big majority I'm far from certain it will be the case.
It would be a step forward.
To my knowledge I don't know anyone who has used anything stronger than a joint.
As someone commented earlier on, first rule of warfare: Know your enemy!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-odds-of-winning-reelection-worsen-warrens-surge
The two characters I most despise from the EU ref campaign are Johnson and Cummings .
It would give me an enormous pleasure to see both fail , the problem is this isn’t a scenario where their failure guarantees redemption for us Remainers .
And redemption as we may see it ignores the stark reality of where we are .
We can’t wish away the last three years , we can’t ignore the fact the vote happened , we can’t ignore the huge polarization and division in the country .
I think it’s fair to say that as no deal became the apparent only true Brexit that the Remainer wing reacted by going the other way .Where any compromise was now no longer possible .
And for a large part of those three years Remainers have felt completely ignored and that any deal would essentially not even offer a few scraps of comfort .
We can bemoan this and can feel very angry and refuse to accept the reality , there are now very few good options left .
Does anyone seriously think either an election before Brexit or another EU ref won’t be a ghastly affair where the toxicity and division won’t reach even further down into the cesspit .
What’s left of the country after that ?
The reality as I see it is the only way forward is with a deal and I do think it’s now best for both the EU and the UK .
I think Remainers need to accept that on Brexit itself, this battle is now over , Brexit will and should happen .
I’d much rather now have a debate over the future relationship , this is an area that is less toxic and doesn’t need to be one where original Remainers and Leavers can’t find some common ground .
I expect some Remainers in here won’t be that impressed by my acceptance that Brexit will happen .
I’m very sad about Brexit, I think it’s a historic mistake but I fear much worse with either a no deal or another EU referendum .
Both I think would be catastrophic on different levels . Sorry if this sounds hyperbolic but that’s where I’m at after a lot of thought .
I just hope hardcore Leavers in the Tory party (and Ulster) have the wits to make the same moral journey as you.
Almost all my friends do it here and there... I tend to think it makes interesting characters boring, and boring characters think they're interesting
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1182373136018198528?s=21
https://twitter.com/R_McCormack/status/1182393851161579541?s=20
https://www.investors.com/politics/americans-back-trump-impeachment-ukraine-scandal-biden-probe/
My god, is Brexit actually gonna be resolved?
I will open fifteen bottles of champagne if it is. Not from joy, but from relief. It will be like getting the all-clear after three years of chemo.