I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
Wilson was in government.
I don't think we are going to implement it whilst in opposition....
Labour, SNP and LibDem spin teams will be looking to tear that apart. Less taking back control and more handing it straight over to Washington (DC, not Tyne and Wear). Taking American rules, submitting to secret American courts, goodbye NHS and hello chlorinated chicken.
A rushed deal is almost certainly a bad deal, though Trump may be looking for a way out of his trade wars.
Trump will be looking to give American farmers, hurt by the China trade war, unfettered access to Britain. Goodbye standards; goodbye British agriculture.
Goodbye any sort of agreement with the EU. Goodbye the ability of the NHS to buy cheaper generic drugs or for NICE to look at the cost effectiveness of new treatments. The US pharmaceutical industry will be delighted at the extra £350 million a week.
When would be a good time to mention that Condor (Thomas Cook's German airline) is operating as usual....
They’re a separate, German, company flying German aircraft.
I don’t proclaim to be an expert on German insolvency law, but it appears the winding down of operations works differently over there. When AirBerlin went bust a few years ago, their planes continued to fly for a few days propped up by the German government.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
Wilson was in government.
I don't think we are going to implement it whilst in opposition....
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
RBS and other banks are £675m in the hole with TC, I doubt the tour operator has a fraction of that amount in assets - most of the aircraft will be leased or mortgaged.
Definitely a few bankers not getting bonuses this year.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
Historically, Thomas Cook is a very big thing - the original company almost single-handedly created the package holiday and travel for the masses.
A reason to lament its passing, but probably not to save it.
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
It safe to say that talk about a US trade deal is a) deflection from the disaster that is Brexit and b) electioneering..
Actual track record after three years is a couple of partially rolled over existing arrangements. We have IIRC about seven hundred other existing arrangements that haven't been rolled over.
Labour, SNP and LibDem spin teams will be looking to tear that apart. Less taking back control and more handing it straight over to Washington (DC, not Tyne and Wear). Taking American rules, submitting to secret American courts, goodbye NHS and hello chlorinated chicken.
A rushed deal is almost certainly a bad deal, though Trump may be looking for a way out of his trade wars.
Trump will be looking to give American farmers, hurt by the China trade war, unfettered access to Britain. Goodbye standards; goodbye British agriculture.
Goodbye any sort of agreement with the EU. Goodbye the ability of the NHS to buy cheaper generic drugs or for NICE to look at the cost effectiveness of new treatments. The US pharmaceutical industry will be delighted at the extra £350 million a week.
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
Historically, Thomas Cook is a very big thing - the original company almost single-handedly created the package holiday and travel for the masses.
A reason to lament its passing, but probably not to save it.
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
Wilson was in government.
I don't think we are going to implement it whilst in opposition....
I don’t think you’re going to implement it, then.
I don't think anyone can say for sure what would happen in an upcoming election but we might or we might not.
Is there a betting market up yet for 'When will the next prorogation end?' Any layers for August 2020 ?
There was a great article in the Economist this week about how the single market has worked well for goods and badly for services. This has hampered European businesses and especially service businesses. The main trouble with a large FTA with USA is geography. The UK would face the Scottish problem of being a long way from the main market place. Risk that UK businesses and institutions get subsumed by US ones. Like the NHS. We don’t have enough large goods suppliers to take advantage of deal and our service businesses too small mostly.
Is the Single Market actually detrimental to services trade, according to the article, or just not as beneficial as for goods? If the former, in what way does the SM hurt services trade?
Labour, SNP and LibDem spin teams will be looking to tear that apart. Less taking back control and more handing it straight over to Washington (DC, not Tyne and Wear). Taking American rules, submitting to secret American courts, goodbye NHS and hello chlorinated chicken.
A rushed deal is almost certainly a bad deal, though Trump may be looking for a way out of his trade wars.
Trump will be looking to give American farmers, hurt by the China trade war, unfettered access to Britain. Goodbye standards; goodbye British agriculture.
Goodbye any sort of agreement with the EU. Goodbye the ability of the NHS to buy cheaper generic drugs or for NICE to look at the cost effectiveness of new treatments. The US pharmaceutical industry will be delighted at the extra £350 million a week.
How anyone (in the UK) could be arguing in favour of this, irrespective of their Brexit stance, beggars belief.
I quite agree. But the lack of knowledge about the EU amongst some arch-Brexiteers is usually coupled with a ludicrously rose-tinted view of the US and Britain’s relationship with it and a gross misreading of Britain’s history (all the “Britain alone” nonsense when the truth was very different).
The colossal ignorance of some of the products of a few of our public schools is probably the best argument against them. Whatever they’re good at, teaching history and the ability to analyse facts are not amongst them, at least based on the evidence of our political class.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
Wilson was in government.
I don't think we are going to implement it whilst in opposition....
Labour, SNP and LibDem spin teams will be looking to tear that apart. Less taking back control and more handing it straight over to Washington (DC, not Tyne and Wear). Taking American rules, submitting to secret American courts, goodbye NHS and hello chlorinated chicken.
A rushed deal is almost certainly a bad deal, though Trump may be looking for a way out of his trade wars.
Trump will be looking to give American farmers, hurt by the China trade war, unfettered access to Britain. Goodbye standards; goodbye British agriculture.
Goodbye any sort of agreement with the EU. Goodbye the ability of the NHS to buy cheaper generic drugs or for NICE to look at the cost effectiveness of new treatments. The US pharmaceutical industry will be delighted at the extra £350 million a week.
How anyone (in the UK) could be arguing in favour of this, irrespective of their Brexit stance, beggars belief.
Many Brexiteers would rather suck up to Americans and be rogered senseless by any US President than be equal partners with Frenchmen and Germans. It is all part of their sad crazy WW2 obsession.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
I don’t feel sorry for people who have an annual honeymoon, I must say.
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
The crucial difference was that Wison made his own view clear that we should join. This is the decision of our time and I think we are entitled to expect our leaders to lead. He doesn't have to be Napoleon. Just an opinion would do.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
“Peacetime evacuation” - for heaven’s sake! It’s telling people in peaceful countries via a website to get on a bus and go to the airport. Just as they would do anyway, but on a different day. Honestly, the hyperbole is ridiculous.
Oh no, you are not still hoping the "they need us more than we need them" might still have any credence? It will damage parts of the EU economy, without a doubt, but it will not be a reason for them to allow erosion of the single market. The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
The crucial difference was that Wison made his own view clear that we should join. This is the decision of our time and I think we are entitled to expect our leaders to lead. He doesn't have to be Napoleon. Just an opinion would do.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
“Peacetime evacuation” - for heaven’s sake! It’s telling people in peaceful countries via a website to get on a bus and go to the airport. Just as they would do anyway, but on a different day. Honestly, the hyperbole is ridiculous.
I am sure "Sandpit" doesn't indulge in hyperbole does he? lol. He is a Brexiteer. Brexiteers love a wartime hyperbolic reference at any possible juncture. They cannot resist it!
Oh no, you are not still hoping the "they need us more than we need them" might still have any credence? It will damage parts of the EU economy, without a doubt, but it will not be a reason for them to allow erosion of the single market. The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
I was posting the clip for its irony value. Still it gave you an early morning rant so provided some amusement nonetheless.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
Wilson was in government.
I don't think we are going to implement it whilst in opposition....
Better chance in Opposition I would say
TBH I was referring to whole thing, so a Labour Brexit deal which gets put to a referendum. I don't see the Conservatives voting for a referendum anytime soon but certainly not with a Labour Brexit deal vs remain one.
Just a 2nd ref it isn't completely outside the bounds of possibility that an election returns a hung parliament which the Conservatives just about hold onto power and call a 2nd ref just to get Brexit done one way or the other, that seems very unlikely to me though.
The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
It is possible that at least some of the 52% understood the economic advantages but chose to prioritise other considerations. Rich people voting for higher tax rates are capable of voting against their personal economic interests, why not Leave voters?
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
“Peacetime evacuation” - for heaven’s sake! It’s telling people in peaceful countries via a website to get on a bus and go to the airport. Just as they would do anyway, but on a different day. Honestly, the hyperbole is ridiculous.
On the contrary, it's intended to reassure those who might otherwise think they or their families might have been stranded, and it's therefore not entirely ridiculous.
And of course by talking up the difficulty of the operation, it would tend to absolve those in charge of blame for any particular problems, and earn them credit should it all go smoothly.
Oh no, you are not still hoping the "they need us more than we need them" might still have any credence? It will damage parts of the EU economy, without a doubt, but it will not be a reason for them to allow erosion of the single market. The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
There you go again, winning over the voters by telling a majority of them how thick they are, how gullible they are......
I bet you were a demon on the doorsteps. Did your local association have a whip-round for a leaving present when you departed in a huff?
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
I don’t feel sorry for people who have an annual honeymoon, I must say.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
“Peacetime evacuation” - for heaven’s sake! It’s telling people in peaceful countries via a website to get on a bus and go to the airport. Just as they would do anyway, but on a different day. Honestly, the hyperbole is ridiculous.
Yes, some of the language is a little hyperbolic, but there’s been a massive effort behind the scenes to plan for it.
IMO it actually bodes well for how we might deal with another possible disruption in a few weeks’ time - behind the scenes, away from shouting and scheming politicians and journalists, this sort of disaster recovery planning is something that government is actually very good at.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
To be fair it is the largest peacetime evacuation in British history. Thankfully it’s not during school holidays, so most affected will be adults rather than kids. If all goes to plan, the only thing most will notice is a slightly retimed return flight.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
“Peacetime evacuation” - for heaven’s sake! It’s telling people in peaceful countries via a website to get on a bus and go to the airport. Just as they would do anyway, but on a different day. Honestly, the hyperbole is ridiculous.
I am sure "Sandpit" doesn't indulge in hyperbole does he? lol. He is a Brexiteer. Brexiteers love a wartime hyperbolic reference at any possible juncture. They cannot resist it!
Really? I’m not the one calling people thick and gullible on this very thread, just because we may have political differences of opinion.
The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
It is possible that at least some of the 52% understood the economic advantages but chose to prioritise other considerations. Rich people voting for higher tax rates are capable of voting against their personal economic interests, why not Leave voters?
I was being slightly tongue in cheek. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the population, and in particular what percentage of leave voters, even knew what the single market is at the time of the referendum, and erhaps even knew such a thing existed. I think many of the votes were more likely based on myths about immigration, the accession of Turkey and the regulations relating to bananas
Oh no, you are not still hoping the "they need us more than we need them" might still have any credence? It will damage parts of the EU economy, without a doubt, but it will not be a reason for them to allow erosion of the single market. The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
I was posting the clip for its irony value. Still it gave you an early morning rant so provided some amusement nonetheless.
Thank you. I noticed you used some punctuation on that post. Have you been on a course?
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem.
But outlawing private education entirely, and expropriating assets ?
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Second maybe. After Labour as a viable political party.....
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem.
But outlawing private education entirely, and expropriating assets ?
Perhaps expropriating assets is included in Theresa May's Henry VIII powers
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem.
But outlawing private education entirely, and expropriating assets ?
Removing charitable status certainly would be a problem as it would reduce the number of scholarships and bursaries and shared facilities private schools can provide and make them even more unequal so if you are going to attack private schools you may as well go the whole hog for full abolition as Corbyn Labour have now done.
Like most Tories I of course support private schools with charitable status
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem
We discussed this last night. “Certainly” is a bold claim...
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem
We discussed this last night. “Certainly” is a bold claim...
Oh no, you are not still hoping the "they need us more than we need them" might still have any credence? It will damage parts of the EU economy, without a doubt, but it will not be a reason for them to allow erosion of the single market. The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
I was posting the clip for its irony value. Still it gave you an early morning rant so provided some amusement nonetheless.
Thank you. I noticed you used some punctuation on that post. Have you been on a course?
dont be ridicu;ous, I view punctuation as an optional extra, it unsettles the anally retentive
The single market (a largely Thatcherite/British invention) is far too precious. Sadly 52% of our population are too thick too or too gullible to understand the benefits it brings our economy
It is possible that at least some of the 52% understood the economic advantages but chose to prioritise other considerations. Rich people voting for higher tax rates are capable of voting against their personal economic interests, why not Leave voters?
I was being slightly tongue in cheek. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the population, and in particular what percentage of leave voters, even knew what the single market is at the time of the referendum, and erhaps even knew such a thing existed. I think many of the votes were more likely based on myths about immigration, the accession of Turkey and the regulations relating to bananas
The fact that the EU has far outgrown the single concept of a “single market” which the UK originally voted to join (and how it was sold and referred to )is probably the biggest reason why we voted to leave. Especially amongst the older generation who voted the first time. So it is known about.
We all love to throw mud. It’s fun. But goes no where.
What is much more fun is thinking about solutions. What is your solution to bring our country back together? Giving each side something what they want in that old concept of compromise?
Isn't Labour's position more a reflection of the mentality that 'this worked in 2017, so, yeah, safe to assume it will work again'
Probably more that Labour faces a moving target that is out of its control. If only the government would hold constant for longer than a week at a time, the Opposition might know what to oppose.
Oh come on, the company appears to have been in very serious trouble for quite some time.
Thomas Cook nearly collapsed 8 years ago. The company has been borrowing to keep in business for a long time now. When you read up on all the operations, business deals, and its finances it is amazing it has made it this far.
F1: amused that the odds on Hamilton are still 1 (for the title) but the theoretical profit from a £100 bet has risen from 50p before the last race to 67p for it now.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning behind that claim.
Grammar schools? How infra dig. Seamus Milne and James Schneider are proud Wykehamists. Or possibly ashamed Wykehamists. Anyway, they went to WykehamWycombe Winchester, not some lousy grammar where even poor children could get in. As did Buffy-creator Joss Whedon while his mother taught there on an exchange scheme.
If we do remain in the E.U., would Labour’s proposed policy even be legal ?
No idea. Bits of it, perhaps. Next question is which sections will get as far as the manifesto. The policy (at least at a broadbrush level) seems to me to be socially desirable but electorally stupid, as it will repel voters with a vested interest but not attract any new ones (unless, given Cameron's, Boris's and Jacob Rees-Mogg's alma mater, there is a recently-founded Conservative Campaign for the Abolition of Eton).
Certainly removing charitable status wouldn't be a problem
We discussed this last night. “Certainly” is a bold claim...
Oh come on, the company appears to have been in very serious trouble for quite some time.
Thomas Cook nearly collapsed 8 years ago. The company has been borrowing to keep in business for a long time now. When you read up on all the operations, business deals, and its finances it is amazing it has made it this far.
I’m interested to ask. If you’d looked up Thomas Cook on one of those business credit check services a month ago, what would it have said?
Oh come on, the company appears to have been in very serious trouble for quite some time.
Thomas Cook nearly collapsed 8 years ago. The company has been borrowing to keep in business for a long time now. When you read up on all the operations, business deals, and its finances it is amazing it has made it this far.
Plus the hot summer last year hit its profits as there were more staycations as did instability in Turkey etc
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning behind that claim.
Oh come on, the company appears to have been in very serious trouble for quite some time.
Thomas Cook nearly collapsed 8 years ago. The company has been borrowing to keep in business for a long time now. When you read up on all the operations, business deals, and its finances it is amazing it has made it this far.
Indeed.
A look at the accounts shows that it should have been shut down years ago:
EU getting nervous that Erdogan will open his borders and let immigrants in to Europe in large numbers. Erdogan demanding lots more money to pay for hosting displaced people.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting to chereograph the Labour conference.
'OK, comrades, now the important thing is to screw up epically right from the start. So let's have a blazing row over the deputy leader's position, try to abolish it and look like utter dingbats.'
'Sounds good comrade. And then of course the Dear Leader can go on about his Brexit policy.'
'He doesn't have one, does he?'
'No, but if he says he does and waffles a bit, people will believe him.'
'Good plan, good plan. Then he can send Dawn Butler on the radio and have her shout and scream and generally behave like an unhinged obsesssive. That's going to get us lots of votes in the marginals.'
'Yes, and the perfect backdrop for Andrew Fisher to quit because we've become too extreme. Then we can do all that rubbish about private schools.'
'Yeah, good stuff, wish they'd close mine. Have you got that bit where Macdonnell says our plans are illegal in?'
'Noted. Now on the final day. How about putting forward lots of motions on leaving the EU and losing them all?'
'Great. Showing we're on the side of the masses.'
'Awesome! Let's go get those Tory bastards in the Labour Party!'
"What Do We Want?"
"Maybe Brexit Maybe Revoke"
"When Do We Want It?"
"Now!"
To be fair to Corbyn his 'plan' isn't too dissimilar to Wilson's and that worked out very well.
The crucial difference was that Wison made his own view clear that we should join. This is the decision of our time and I think we are entitled to expect our leaders to lead. He doesn't have to be Napoleon. Just an opinion would do.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning behind that claim.
if that keeps rolling, Germany and by extension the Euro is in trouble. Germany needs to do something to get domestic demand rolling, so far Merkel has avoided addressing the issue. Three of Germany;s top 5 export markets are giving it a problem US, China ( trade war slunp ) and UK ( Brexit uncertainty ), not much on the horizon atm to counteract that.
Oh come on, the company appears to have been in very serious trouble for quite some time.
It was bailed out by banks back in 2011. The root causes are structural, people prefer to make their own holiday now rather than buy package tours. Blame the LoCos and internet travel sites.
Sadly, I think we have to be prepared for every high-profile business failure to have people blaming it on Brexit.
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Second maybe. After Labour as a viable political party.....
You missed 2 Prime Ministers the speaker parliament our entire political system and very soon the judiciary.....
if that keeps rolling, Germany and by extension the Euro is in trouble. Germany needs to do something to get domestic demand rolling, so far Merkel has avoided addressing the issue. Three of Germany;s top 5 export markets are giving it a problem US, China ( trade war slunp ) and UK ( Brexit uncertainty ), not much on the horizon atm to counteract that.
The switch to electric vehicles is also going to hit their manufacturing sector hard - particularly the components industry.
Young Labour delegates are in for a shock today, having joined a party that promised power to the membership they're about to fall prey to the McCluskey block vote. McCluskey gave us Ed Miliband over David Miliband, McCluskey backed Corbyn, McCluskey backs Brexit - what McCluskey wants McCluskey gets. Mind you how many of those delegates are old enough to remember this sketch (8.00 mins in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVhocDlrD7c)?
I have given it some thought and I like Corbyns brexit policy. In fact all the other political parties should adopt it.
Ask yourself, does leaving without a deal bring closure? Does revoke and ignoring 2016 bring the needed closure from the crisis allowing the country to move on? No dealers and revokers aren’t offering closure, just more politics, just exploiting the crisis for their own self interest.
You could call it a fudge, but anything trying to put us on a road to closure would be called a fudge by rivals with a very clear policy (but not one that brings closure) would it not?
if that keeps rolling, Germany and by extension the Euro is in trouble. Germany needs to do something to get domestic demand rolling, so far Merkel has avoided addressing the issue. Three of Germany;s top 5 export markets are giving it a problem US, China ( trade war slunp ) and UK ( Brexit uncertainty ), not much on the horizon atm to counteract that.
The switch to electric vehicles is also going to hit their manufacturing sector hard - particularly the components industry.
Very much so, the worldwide car industry is in a massive state of flux at the moment. Modern cars are ultra-reliable and people are holding on to them while they wait to see what happens with various technologies and regulations in the next few years.
That said, the Germans have come to the electric car party with the Porsche Taycan, launched last week. Still a £100k+ car though, not close to the mainstream yet.
I have given it some thought and I like Corbyns brexit policy. In fact all the other political parties should adopt it.
Ask yourself, does leaving without a deal bring closure? Does revoke and ignoring 2016 bring the needed closure from the crisis allowing the country to move on? No dealers and revokers aren’t offering closure, just more politics, just exploiting the crisis for their own self interest.
You could call it a fudge, but anything trying to put us on a road to closure would be called a fudge by rivals with a very clear policy (but not one that brings closure) would it not?
Labour's policy is the correct approach - unfortunately it isn't sellable to a world where everyone is leave or remain....
Labour, SNP and LibDem spin teams will be looking to tear that apart. Less taking back control and more handing it straight over to Washington (DC, not Tyne and Wear). Taking American rules, submitting to secret American courts, goodbye NHS and hello chlorinated chicken.
A rushed deal is almost certainly a bad deal, though Trump may be looking for a way out of his trade wars.
Trump will be looking to give American farmers, hurt by the China trade war, unfettered access to Britain. Goodbye standards; goodbye British agriculture.
Goodbye any sort of agreement with the EU. Goodbye the ability of the NHS to buy cheaper generic drugs or for NICE to look at the cost effectiveness of new treatments. The US pharmaceutical industry will be delighted at the extra £350 million a week.
How anyone (in the UK) could be arguing in favour of this, irrespective of their Brexit stance, beggars belief.
Many Brexiteers would rather suck up to Americans and be rogered senseless by any US President than be equal partners with Frenchmen and Germans. It is all part of their sad crazy WW2 obsession.
Presumably the same nostalgia applies to the heirs of Uncle Joe.
I note that the countries currently governed by Duterte & Bolsenaro were also our glorious allies.
I have given it some thought and I like Corbyns brexit policy. In fact all the other political parties should adopt it.
Ask yourself, does leaving without a deal bring closure? Does revoke and ignoring 2016 bring the needed closure from the crisis allowing the country to move on? No dealers and revokers aren’t offering closure, just more politics, just exploiting the crisis for their own self interest.
You could call it a fudge, but anything trying to put us on a road to closure would be called a fudge by rivals with a very clear policy (but not one that brings closure) would it not?
It would have been a good policy in 2016. It could still be an ok policy in a more divided UK today with clear support from the leader and leadership.
The policy combined with the leaders ambiguity, negativity vs obvious remain lean from Thornberry, Starmer & to an extent McDonnell is what makes it look like a fudge.
if that keeps rolling, Germany and by extension the Euro is in trouble. Germany needs to do something to get domestic demand rolling, so far Merkel has avoided addressing the issue. Three of Germany;s top 5 export markets are giving it a problem US, China ( trade war slunp ) and UK ( Brexit uncertainty ), not much on the horizon atm to counteract that.
The switch to electric vehicles is also going to hit their manufacturing sector hard - particularly the components industry.
Well would you want to be a manufacturer of exhaust systems or fuel tanks knowing your product is dead in about 10-15 years ?
The other surprising thing I heard on R4 was that all car manufacturers are going to cease producing very small cars such as Peugeot 107 or VW Up as they reckon they will only be able to make money on them (when changed to battery) by charging a price that makes them unaffordable,
That seems mad as they are generally quite fuel efficient and dont do great mileage as their buyers use them for local trips in the main.
Why would he want to, when it’s losing money hand over fist?
Here's a naive suggestion.
For personal honour and a sense of obligation to customers and creditors.
And after happily taking millions in pay while the company steadily went bankrupt.
So for how long should he continue to prop up a failing business that’s drowning in debt?
TC have been talking to potential investors for months now, and none of them see a viable company they wish to invest in.
If Herr Fankhauser was worth $15bn yesterday, he’s worth an awful lot less than that today.
They shouldn't be propping up a business which is drowning in debt but neither should they have allowed the current situation to develop.
What they should have done was shut it down in an orderly manner years ago minimising inconvenience to consumers and creditors.
But what happens instead is that the directors keep the business going to the bitter end thereby ensuring maximum earnings for themselves and then demand everyone else take the financial hit (including the tax payers).
I suspected the possibility which is why I used the word 'if' in my original comment.
Do people who add false info to wiki get banned from the website ?
Sometimes, but Wikipedia doesn't require you to log in to make an edit, so any ban is by IP address and easily circumvented.
That seems a bit lax for a website which is so widely used.
Generally I avoid it for anything like this. I was suspicious when I saw how short the entry was. His predecessor, on the other hand, has a much fuller entry:
Thomas Cook made one fundamental mistake (on top of countless others)... It wasn't a bank. Deep irony that RBS are the ones behind this closure.
Thomas Cook has been in trouble for years. And its failure causes no systemic problem for others. Most of the costs will be covered by insurance. Why it is such a big story beats me. You’d think we were airlifting starving children out of a war zone the way journalists are covering it.
When a big high st name goes tits up its big news. This one has an extra emotional dimension, because people wait all year for their big annual holiday /honeymoon that gets screwed up. It's big story.
The first high profile casulty of Brexit.
Perhaps you could explain your reasoning behind that claim.
£39 to £45 billion is just what you'd expect from the decline in sterling over the same period. Foreign holidays have their underlying costs priced and paid in foreign money.
Mr. Richard, it's why Wikipedia shouldn't be taken as gospel truth, but the alternative to easy editing is to make it difficult which largely defeats the point.
I remember when a composer died, some wag changed his bio to add a credit for some S Club 7 songs, which was dutifully reported by the credulous media.
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I don’t proclaim to be an expert on German insolvency law, but it appears the winding down of operations works differently over there. When AirBerlin went bust a few years ago, their planes continued to fly for a few days propped up by the German government.
Definitely a few bankers not getting bonuses this year.
EU car companies warn of an economic earthquake if there isnt a Brexit deal
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/brexit-europaeische-autohersteller-schlagen-alarm-16398602.html
A reason to lament its passing, but probably not to save it.
Actual track record after three years is a couple of partially rolled over existing arrangements. We have IIRC about seven hundred other existing arrangements that haven't been rolled over.
Talk is cheap.
https://blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/2019/03/05/the-us-negotiating-objectives-for-the-uk-us-trade-deal-clearly-put-america-first/
How anyone (in the UK) could be arguing in favour of this, irrespective of their Brexit stance, beggars belief.
*UK Govt policy, still, I think?
The colossal ignorance of some of the products of a few of our public schools is probably the best argument against them. Whatever they’re good at, teaching history and the ability to analyse facts are not amongst them, at least based on the evidence of our political class.
As for the journalists, I’m sure they all queued up early to head off for a fortnight in Ibiza or Majorca this morning, beats Brighton or Manchester interviewing politicians for the next two weeks.
Just a 2nd ref it isn't completely outside the bounds of possibility that an election returns a hung parliament which the Conservatives just about hold onto power and call a 2nd ref just to get Brexit done one way or the other, that seems very unlikely to me though.
See this excellent article by Gary Younge, for example.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/poorer-brexiters-worse-off-working-class-leavers
And of course by talking up the difficulty of the operation, it would tend to absolve those in charge of blame for any particular problems, and earn them credit should it all go smoothly.
I bet you were a demon on the doorsteps. Did your local association have a whip-round for a leaving present when you departed in a huff?
IMO it actually bodes well for how we might deal with another possible disruption in a few weeks’ time - behind the scenes, away from shouting and scheming politicians and journalists, this sort of disaster recovery planning is something that government is actually very good at.
But outlawing private education entirely, and expropriating assets ?
Like most Tories I of course support private schools with charitable status
We all love to throw mud. It’s fun. But goes no where.
What is much more fun is thinking about solutions. What is your solution to bring our country back together? Giving each side something what they want in that old concept of compromise?
The title is slipping away
A look at the accounts shows that it should have been shut down years ago:
https://www.thomascookgroup.com/investors/insight_external_assest/Thomas_Cook_AR_2018_web.pdf
But its always in the interests of the directors to keep it going to the bitter end.
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Public/Home/PressRelease/1f489cd97178420799000583692a1886
https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/migration-pakt-zwischen-eu-und-tuerkei-auf-der-kippe-in-der-aegaeis-droht-ein-neues-fluechtlingschaos/25037310.html
(just experimenting with bold)
2015 £39bn
2018 £45bn
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/leisureandtourism/timeseries/gmbb/ott
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49788492
Sadly, I think we have to be prepared for every high-profile business failure to have people blaming it on Brexit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fankhauser
If so he could bail it out with his loose change.
The Bullingdon boy's a legend!
Ask yourself, does leaving without a deal bring closure? Does revoke and ignoring 2016 bring the needed closure from the crisis allowing the country to move on? No dealers and revokers aren’t offering closure, just more politics, just exploiting the crisis for their own self interest.
You could call it a fudge, but anything trying to put us on a road to closure would be called a fudge by rivals with a very clear policy (but not one that brings closure) would it not?
For personal honour and a sense of obligation to customers and creditors.
And after happily taking millions in pay while the company steadily went bankrupt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Fankhauser&diff=917308681&oldid=917300677
That said, the Germans have come to the electric car party with the Porsche Taycan, launched last week. Still a £100k+ car though, not close to the mainstream yet.
Do people who add false info to wiki get banned from the website ?
I note that the countries currently governed by Duterte & Bolsenaro were also our glorious allies.
TC have been talking to potential investors for months now, and none of them see a viable company they wish to invest in.
If Herr Fankhauser was worth $15bn yesterday, he’s worth an awful lot less than that today.
The policy combined with the leaders ambiguity, negativity vs obvious remain lean from Thornberry, Starmer & to an extent McDonnell is what makes it look like a fudge.
The other surprising thing I heard on R4 was that all car manufacturers are going to cease producing very small cars such as Peugeot 107 or VW Up as they reckon they will only be able to make money on them (when changed to battery) by charging a price that makes them unaffordable,
That seems mad as they are generally quite fuel efficient and dont do great mileage as their buyers use them for local trips in the main.
What they should have done was shut it down in an orderly manner years ago minimising inconvenience to consumers and creditors.
But what happens instead is that the directors keep the business going to the bitter end thereby ensuring maximum earnings for themselves and then demand everyone else take the financial hit (including the tax payers).
The only musician billionaire that springs to mind is US rapper Dr Dre, who sold the Beats music company he co-founded to Apple in a deal worth $3bn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Green
That doesn't automatically make it kosher, but it does cite sources.
Hmm. 39 to 45 -- it's another bloody ww2 metaphor
I remember when a composer died, some wag changed his bio to add a credit for some S Club 7 songs, which was dutifully reported by the credulous media.