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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Presidents are shit.

    You get two kinds of President.

    Ones like Trump and Macron who are highly political and divisive.

    Then you get non-executive Presidents who no-one has ever heard of and have zero presence on the international stage.

    Who’s ever heard of (still less cares) who the Presidents of Germany and Ireland are?
    Mary Robinson made a difference. A friend of mine used to speak very highly of her
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    malcolmg said:

    She is away with the birds, I bet she sits at home at night with a crown on her head.
    Nah
    . You've been dreaming about Nicola again...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,032

    This has been an ongoing problem for several years. Balloons is the least of the problems. As far back as 2012 Popular Mechanics were reporting on this and its impact on MRI and other medical scanners and such basics as arc welding and the manufacture of silicon chips.

    The US supplies 75% of the word's helium and its main source is just about depleted.
    I knew an oil company in Kurdistan, who was gutted to discover the light patch on their seismic was not methane but helium...

    And then got very excitied when they realised that helium was so expensive.

    And then got very disappointed when they realised their licenses didn't allow them to exploit it, and that it would be incredibly difficult to get out of Kurdistan.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Here is why I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in the rust belt next time out despite being in a worse position than 2016

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1173941780586356737?s=19

    #nevertrumps like lots of his policies and will totally vote for him rather than third party like in 2016.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Good, I don't understand the opprobrium.

    It's the Michael Foot precedent, no one would have objected in 1983 if he had won the election.
    All three parties fought the 1970 election on a commitment to seek membership of the EEC. None of them proposed a Referendum prior to entry.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    rcs1000 said:
    LMAO at Harris trailing YANG in her home state.
  • rcs1000 said:
    Terrible for Harris in that case, and not good for Sanders either.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,032
    Alistair said:

    Here is why I think Trump has a decent chance of winning in the rust belt next time out despite being in a worse position than 2016

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1173941780586356737?s=19

    #nevertrumps like lots of his policies and will totally vote for him rather than third party like in 2016.

    The problem Trump has in the rust belt is that they have - economically - been the weakest part of the US. Again.

    All the best performing states, with the exception of New Mexico and Nevada, are safely Republican (like TX) or safely Democrat (like NY).
  • HYUFD said:
    So... BOTH sides broke electoral law?

    That works for me. The referendum is invalid. :+1:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    HYUFD said:
    I know it is a long game and some surprising names might get their day, but if it is not Biden, it has to be Warren, right?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Or peston is making up a load of bollocks. He's got form.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,070

    Presidents are shit.

    You get two kinds of President.

    Ones like Trump and Macron who are highly political and divisive.

    Then you get non-executive Presidents who no-one has ever heard of and have zero presence on the international stage.

    Who’s ever heard of (still less cares) who the Presidents of Germany and Ireland are?
    The citizens of the UK are not supposed to care who the German President is. His role is what the UK Queens role should be: to carry out protocoll when nothing is controversial (the Queen does this bit OK) but is there to make difficult decisions when they need to be taken, including when to get the Supreme Court involved. In 2005 Chancellor Gerhard Schröder told his party not to support a confidence vote, so that an election could be called. This was really testing the limit of the fixed term rules. The president then investigated the fine details of the legality of this before ruling that an election was indeed lawful. Boring but important.

    By the was there are plenty of Monarchs in this world who you have not heard of and don't care about.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    kle4 said:

    I know it is a long game and some surprising names might get their day, but if it is not Biden, it has to be Warren, right?
    Probably but don't rule out Sanders either if that poll is right
  • So... BOTH sides broke electoral law?

    That works for me. The referendum is invalid. :+1:
    The 2016 referendum lacks legitimacy on so many levels. We will still need to leave though because Leavers and their cretinous antics have trashed our reputation for decades to come. It is now about ensuring that those responsible are held accountable.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Judging by Kate Hoey's Twitter activity in recent weeks, defection to the Brexit Party looks imminent.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    eristdoof said:

    The citizens of the UK are not supposed to care who the German President is. His role is what the UK Queens role should be: to carry out protocoll when nothing is controversial (the Queen does this bit OK) but is there to make difficult decisions when they need to be taken, including when to get the Supreme Court involved. In 2005 Chancellor Gerhard Schröder told his party not to support a confidence vote, so that an election could be called. This was really testing the limit of the fixed term rules. The president then investigated the fine details of the legality of this before ruling that an election was indeed lawful. Boring but important.

    By the was there are plenty of Monarchs in this world who you have not heard of and don't care about.
    So the President supported the Chancellor anyway then.

    I would say more people have heard of Queen Elizabeth IInd than any other Head of State on earth bar maybe Trump.

    The monarchy helps with promoting brand UK immensely in that respect
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Standard 'that'll be a time saver' joke

    Two political outsiders will compete in a run-off vote to become Tunisia's next president after they topped the first round of voting...

    Media Mogul Mr Karoui, 56, is running for office from behind bars after he was detained last month on charges of money laundering and tax fraud, which he has denied.

    He is still able to stand for election despite his arrest but he was not allowed to vote


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49726045
  • So... BOTH sides broke electoral law?

    That works for me. The referendum is invalid. :+1:
    So this is the great new idea. Make sure you break the law so that when you lose it can be used as an excuse to invalidate the result.
  • HYUFD said:

    So the President supported the Chancellor anyway then.

    I would say more people have heard of Queen Elizabeth IInd than any other Head of State on earth bar maybe Trump.

    The monarchy helps with promoting brand UK immensely in that respect
    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM :lol:
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,953
    Danny565 said:

    Judging by Kate Hoey's Twitter activity in recent weeks, defection to the Brexit Party looks imminent.

    I pointed out when she said she wouldn't stand for Labour in the next election that she was planning to vote with the Conservatives. So I am not wildly surprised at this.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,032
    kle4 said:

    I know it is a long game and some surprising names might get their day, but if it is not Biden, it has to be Warren, right?
    I think the odds are roughly: 33% Biden, 33% Warren, 33% Anyone Else

    The key really is the early states: remember the Republican caucuses in 2016. Ted Cruz won. Trump was second. Rubio third.

    Who became betting market favourite in the immediate aftermath?

    Why, it was Marco Rubio.

    Who is going to outperform in Iowa, and who will underperform?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    The problem Trump has in the rust belt is that they have - economically - been the weakest part of the US. Again.

    All the best performing states, with the exception of New Mexico and Nevada, are safely Republican (like TX) or safely Democrat (like NY).
    Yup, I have been trying to point this out to people pushing the "Economy is doing great == Trump guaranteed to be re-elected" crowd on here. But apparently this makes me partisanly anti-Trump and not to be trusted.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    I think the odds are roughly: 33% Biden, 33% Warren, 33% Anyone Else

    The key really is the early states: remember the Republican caucuses in 2016. Ted Cruz won. Trump was second. Rubio third.

    Who became betting market favourite in the immediate aftermath?

    Why, it was Marco Rubio.

    Who is going to outperform in Iowa, and who will underperform?
    I miss Cromwell.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Terrible for Harris in that case, and not good for Sanders either.
    Beyond Terrible. Makes me glad she is my only red on the Market.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM :lol:
    No Government control of most of the economy = socialism
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,777
    edited September 2019
    Is the Twitter Button a cousin of the "Facebook Button" that came and went within around 10 minutes a few weeks ago? :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    edited September 2019
    Sky news reporting Israeli exit poll just out, Netanyahu's Likud party on 33 and centrist Blue and White party on 34
  • CatMan said:

    So it's basically pointless
    Far from it.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,562
    HYUFD said:

    Sky news reporting Israeli exit poll just out, Netanyahu's Likud party on 33 and centrist Blue and White party on 34

    The thing you have to remember with Isreali elections is the groupings matter. That's where Netanyahu has an advantage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    spudgfsh said:

    The thing you have to remember with Isreali elections is the groupings matter. That's where Netanyahu has an advantage.
    https://twitter.com/Israel_News_INA/status/1174038704840687619?s=20
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    Sky news reporting Israeli exit poll just out, Netanyahu's Likud party on 33 and centrist Blue and White party on 34

    Israeli Exit polls are often inaccurate.
  • OT

    an interesting article from the Guardian a few days ago looking at the change in wages and cost of living since 1969.

    Basically wage growth has run ahead of most basic prices. The big exception of course being property, particularly in the South East. But many food stuffs are now far cheaper than the inflation adjusted costs from 50 years ago. Beer is substantially more expensive but petrol is only vey slightly dearer (£1.26 a litre compared to £1.20 in 1969 inflation adjusted value.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/sep/14/50p-britons-living-costs-1969-spending
  • eristdoof said:

    The citizens of the UK are not supposed to care who the German President is. His role is what the UK Queens role should be: to carry out protocoll when nothing is controversial (the Queen does this bit OK) but is there to make difficult decisions when they need to be taken, including when to get the Supreme Court involved. In 2005 Chancellor Gerhard Schröder told his party not to support a confidence vote, so that an election could be called. This was really testing the limit of the fixed term rules. The president then investigated the fine details of the legality of this before ruling that an election was indeed lawful. Boring but important.

    By the was there are plenty of Monarchs in this world who you have not heard of and don't care about.
    King Felipe of Spain, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Emperor Akihito of Japan and King Harold of Norway are all well known.

    Part is longevity but they also have a presence and history to them that gives gravitas and interest.

    They are written about and read about. They humanise the state.
  • Charles said:

    Mary Robinson made a difference. A friend of mine used to speak very highly of her
    Fair enough. I've never heard of her.
  • OT

    an interesting article from the Guardian a few days ago looking at the change in wages and cost of living since 1969.

    Basically wage growth has run ahead of most basic prices. The big exception of course being property, particularly in the South East. But many food stuffs are now far cheaper than the inflation adjusted costs from 50 years ago. Beer is substantially more expensive but petrol is only vey slightly dearer (£1.26 a litre compared to £1.20 in 1969 inflation adjusted value.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/sep/14/50p-britons-living-costs-1969-spending

    Beer in pubs might be substantially more expensive but how about beer from supermarkets ?
  • So why is Britain viewed as the 'promised land' by migrants desperate to leave Macron's paradise ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49727513
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,869
    kle4 said:

    Standard 'that'll be a time saver' joke

    Two political outsiders will compete in a run-off vote to become Tunisia's next president after they topped the first round of voting...

    Media Mogul Mr Karoui, 56, is running for office from behind bars after he was detained last month on charges of money laundering and tax fraud, which he has denied.

    He is still able to stand for election despite his arrest but he was not allowed to vote


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49726045

    Don't tell me - the other outsider is a comedian, famous for a sitcom about someone who wins a presidential election from a prison cell?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Far from it.
    What is the point of it? Other than providing fodder for the gossip columns (which I admit is an important service for many).

    I’m the only republican in my family. My mother, wife and mother-in-law all revel in the royals. To me it’s an affront to meritocracy, is a genetic lottery, and doesn’t even work on any strategic, political or logical basis.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    spudgfsh said:

    The thing you have to remember with Isreali elections is the groupings matter. That's where Netanyahu has an advantage.
    That's what they said last time, but he was unable to form a government - should they try for a third election to break the deadlock? :)
  • Danny565 said:

    LMAO at Harris trailing YANG in her home state.
    Yang can't win (surely?) but he has been edging upwards, and has always been a bit short in the betting.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    King Felipe of Spain, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Emperor Akihito of Japan and King Harold of Norway are all well known.

    Part is longevity but they also have a presence and history to them that gives gravitas and interest.

    They are written about and read about. They humanise the state.
    I fear engineering a higher authority acting like a parent incurs a cost for society. Undermines the notion that we are all equal and share responsibility for solving our problems and defining what the nation is about.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Bibi hopefully in trouble in Israel.

    One to watch.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited September 2019
    Jonathan

    Spot on. It also undermines the concept that success is based on talent and hard work, which is a conservative principle as well as an Old Labour one.
  • Jonathan said:

    I fear engineering a higher authority acting like a parent incurs a cost for society. Undermines the notion that we are all equal and share responsibility for solving our problems and defining what the nation is about.
    Scandavian nations seem to have no problems with equality. By contrast, Republican America has huge inequality.

    I think it's a canard.
  • You know what? It's not terrible.

    If Johnson hadn't committed literally this week to a very short transition, member states might be persuaded that customs checks could happen away from the border by the time they were needed, if at all.
  • What is the point of it? Other than providing fodder for the gossip columns (which I admit is an important service for many).

    I’m the only republican in my family. My mother, wife and mother-in-law all revel in the royals. To me it’s an affront to meritocracy, is a genetic lottery, and doesn’t even work on any strategic, political or logical basis.
    Maybe your problem is it works in practice but not in theory?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533

    Jonathan

    Spot on. It also undermines the concept that success is based on talent and hard work, which is a conservative principle as well as an Old Labour one.

    British conservatives supported the monarchy and landed gentry at least a century before they supported free market economics which tended to be a liberal idea originally
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Scandavian nations seem to have no problems with equality. By contrast, Republican America has huge inequality.

    I think it's a canard.
    Responsibility is my primary worry, In life, if there is a higher authority that looks after things for you, you don’t have to grow up and take responsibility.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533

    Scandavian nations seem to have no problems with equality. By contrast, Republican America has huge inequality.

    I think it's a canard.
    Indeed, Sweden and Canada have constitutional monarchies, the USA is a Republic
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Maybe your problem is it works in practice but not in theory?
    Sure.

    Fair point.

    Until the monarchists get a royal they don’t like.

    Then it doesn’t work in practice either.

    I’d keep Liz, then knock the whole thing on the head when she goes to the great monarch in the sky.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    OT

    an interesting article from the Guardian a few days ago looking at the change in wages and cost of living since 1969.

    Basically wage growth has run ahead of most basic prices. The big exception of course being property, particularly in the South East. But many food stuffs are now far cheaper than the inflation adjusted costs from 50 years ago. Beer is substantially more expensive but petrol is only vey slightly dearer (£1.26 a litre compared to £1.20 in 1969 inflation adjusted value.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/sep/14/50p-britons-living-costs-1969-spending

    Which is why we now eat such a shit diet, and spend a fortune on throwaway fashion. If we live in the North.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284

    Sure.

    Fair point.

    Until the monarchists get a royal they don’t like.

    Then it doesn’t work in practice either.

    I’d keep Liz, then knock the whole thing on the head when she goes to the great monarch in the sky.
    I'll give Charles a chance - the thing about when it doesnt work is it will be fixed right darn quick.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed, Sweden and Canada have constitutional monarchies, the USA is a Republic
    I think even your loyal subjects on PB were aware of that.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    USA has been pretty successful.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    Jonathan said:

    Responsibility is my primary worry, In life, if there is a higher authority that looks after things for you, you don’t have to grow up and take responsibility.
    That has got nothing to do with it, neither a constitutional monarchy nor a president would make the slightest difference to whether you have to take responsibility for your actions
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Jonathan said:



    I fear engineering a higher authority acting like a parent incurs a cost for society. Undermines the notion that we are all equal and share responsibility for solving our problems and defining what the nation is about.

    Aren't we in danger of doing exactly that if the courts are given oversight of political decisions?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    HYUFD said:

    British conservatives supported the monarchy and landed gentry at least a century before they supported free market economics which tended to be a liberal idea originally

    I think the idea of working for a wage is a generally good principle that should apply to everyone, whether or not they are born or married to a German dynasty.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Jonathan said:



    Responsibility is my primary worry, In life, if there is a higher authority that looks after things for you, you don’t have to grow up and take responsibility.

    Aren't you a Labour party member? You've literally made the single biggest argument against the welfare state.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    MaxPB said:

    Aren't you a Labour party member? You've literally made the single biggest argument against the welfare state.
    The welfare stare is ordinary people clubbing together to help other ordinary people in need. It’s not a higher authority.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    According to YouGov 88% of Tory voters, 77% of LD voters and 57% of Labour voters think the institution of monarchy is good for Britain. So I cannot see it going anytime soon, indeed support for the monarchy is one of the few issues that unites most voters regardless of party even if Tories tend to be a bit more in favour than LD and Labour voters

    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    MaxPB said:

    Aren't we in danger of doing exactly that if the courts are given oversight of political decisions?

    Judges are people employed to uphold laws written by us together.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Jonathan said:


    Judges are people employed to uphold laws written by us together.
    How can judges be people? They're enemies of the people, I read it in a newspaper once. And will again, depending on the result.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    HYUFD said:

    That has got nothing to do with it, neither a constitutional monarchy nor a president would make the slightest difference to whether you have to take responsibility for your actions
    Disagree.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Jonathan said:

    The welfare stare is ordinary people clubbing together to help other ordinary people in need. It’s not a higher authority.
    I'll eat what I want and do no exercise because the NHS will fix everything. I won't bother getting an education or qualifications because I'll get benefits.

    It's literally no different.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,270

    They'll get a big sweetener for NI. Bridge/tunnel combo feasability study plus a Freeport status should get them over the line.
    .....and they can play their drums and bugles as long as they like with free bowler hats for everyone over 18
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    HY

    Nobody is denying the popularity of the monarchy!

    As I implied earlier, I’d lose a referendum on republicanism if it were restricted to my own close family.

    Doesn’t make it right, nor unworthy of debate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    edited September 2019


    I think the idea of working for a wage is a generally good principle that should apply to everyone, whether or not they are born or married to a German dynasty.
    I am a traditional Tory not a classical liberal, I am a constitutional monarchist before all else and I also believe in inheritance and preserving family wealth.

    Plus of course both Prince William and Harry and Meghan and Kate for example have all done paid work at some point as well as carrying out their royal duties
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    MaxPB said:

    Aren't we in danger of doing exactly that if the courts are given oversight of political decisions?
    Shutting down parliament for political reasons isn't itself necessarily a political decision. In the same way that bombing a bridge for political reasons isn't a political decision.

    There are political aims, and there are political methods. Political aims are legitimate, but not all methods to achieve them are.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,953

    ...the concept that success is based on talent and hard work, which is a conservative principle...

    Hmpf.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Jonathan said:

    The welfare stare is ordinary people clubbing together to help other ordinary people in need. It’s not a higher authority.
    Exactly.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Jonathan said:


    Judges are people employed to uphold laws written by us together.
    Are they? It looks like they are making a judgement on whether the government can make political decisions.
  • Jonathan said:

    Responsibility is my primary worry, In life, if there is a higher authority that looks after things for you, you don’t have to grow up and take responsibility.
    I don't think that Monarchy has any meaningful effect in that dimension within the UK.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    MaxPB said:

    I'll eat what I want and do no exercise because the NHS will fix everything. I won't bother getting an education or qualifications because I'll get benefits.

    It's literally no different.
    What a ridiculous post that is.
  • Maybe we could have five days of hearing at the Supreme Court on what the Brexit solution should be, and let them rule on that too?
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Maybe your problem is it works in practice but not in theory?
    In theory, there's a difference between practice and theory. But in practice, there isn't.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited September 2019
    MaxPB said:

    I'll eat what I want and do no exercise because the NHS will fix everything. I won't bother getting an education or qualifications because I'll get benefits.

    It's literally no different.
    Sadly a few people like you will abuse themselves and your fellow man. But despite your selfishness, the rest of us are stronger when we work together and look after each other. I feel sorry for you.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    MaxPB said:

    Aren't you a Labour party member? You've literally made the single biggest argument against the welfare state.

    He really hasn’t. The welfare
    HYUFD said:

    I am a traditional Tory not a classical liberal, I am a constitutional monarchist before all else and I also believe in inheritance and preserving family wealth.

    Plus of course both Prince William and Harry and Meghan and Kate for example have all done paid work at some point as well as carrying out their royal duties
    True. Although they haven’t worked in a greasy spoon every morning to make ends meet, at least not to my knowledge.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    viewcode said:

    Hmpf.

    Well as I said in my OP it’s also an Old Labour principle and rightly so. Eight hours labour, eight hours leisure, eight hours rest.

    The clue is in the name I suppose: Labour.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    Noo said:

    In theory, there's a difference between practice and theory. But in practice, there isn't.
    :lol:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,773
    edited September 2019
    MaxPB said:

    I'll eat what I want and do no exercise because the NHS will fix everything. I won't bother getting an education or qualifications because I'll get benefits.

    It's literally no different.
    Yep, as we all know in the United States the proles are all fit as fleas, as lithe as well oiled Greek gods and godesses and are near immortal.

    In Scandanavia and the Netherlands, their well developed welfare states have turned them into lardy arsed couch potatoes with the life expectancy of mayflies.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Conservatism: know your place
    Liberalism: people can change places
    Socialism: there shouldn't be places
    Nationalism: this is our place
    Brexit: this is our plaice
  • Noo said:

    In theory, there's a difference between practice and theory. But in practice, there isn't.
    I should add that I don't have a problem with the theory either, but I understand others might.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    I don't think that Monarchy has any meaningful effect in that dimension within the UK.
    I think it makes a subtle, but real difference. It holds us back a bit.

    That said, when Monarchy decouples celebrity, sycophancy and glamour from politics, I think it more than makes up for it. That is why I support the Monarchy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    Noo said:

    Conservatism: know your place
    Liberalism: people can change places
    Socialism: there shouldn't be places
    Nationalism: this is our place
    Brexit: this is our plaice

    You're on form tonight!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Noo said:

    Conservatism: know your place
    Liberalism: people can change places
    Socialism: there shouldn't be places
    Nationalism: this is our place
    Brexit: this is our plaice

    😁
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    You're on form tonight!
    That's probably me for the year to be honest.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    edited September 2019
    Noo said:

    Conservatism: know your place
    Liberalism: people can change places
    Socialism: there shouldn't be places
    Nationalism: this is our place
    Brexit: this is our plaice


    Imperialism: your place is our place?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Noo said:

    Conservatism: know your place
    Liberalism: people can change places
    Socialism: there shouldn't be places
    Nationalism: this is our place
    Brexit: this is our plaice

    Nice.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284

    Maybe we could have five days of hearing at the Supreme Court on what the Brexit solution should be, and let them rule on that too?

    You say in jest, but being serious their position is presumably to work out a clear answer or solution to a complex issue, but the problem before the country is not one of complexity, not really. The solutions are well known, it's getting democratic endosesment of them either throught parliamentary representatives or the people that has been the problem, not coming up with an answer.
    Scott_P said:
    I feel like the phrase 'won't go down well with moderate MPs' automatically appears in stories regarding the Labour leadership, and is about as meaningful as an extra space after a full stop.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380


    Imperialism: your place is our place?
    +1
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,869
    edited September 2019

    Jonathan

    Spot on. It also undermines the concept that success is based on talent and hard work, which is a conservative principle as well as an Old Labour one.

    Only girly swots think that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,533
    Piers Morgan meets Cristiano Ronaldo on ITV now, hope they found a big enough room to contain their egos
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