So the play by Johnson, Cummings and the ERG would be. 1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis. 2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act. 3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
Our monarchy works well when it’s incumbents follow convention and precedent and don’t let their egos and delusions of grandeur run ahead of themselves.
I’d say that’s it’s only real weakness.
You are saying the monarchy works well when its role is purely symbolic, but not if it is needed to make a meaningful decision.
That’s the essence of constitutional monarchy.
Right to be consulted, to be advised and to warn. But not to decide.
So it's basically pointless
Far from it.
What is the point of it? Other than providing fodder for the gossip columns (which I admit is an important service for many).
I’m the only republican in my family. My mother, wife and mother-in-law all revel in the royals. To me it’s an affront to meritocracy, is a genetic lottery, and doesn’t even work on any strategic, political or logical basis.
The point is that it makes vast sums of money for this country. It also provides an important non-political head of state.
I'm sure there's plenty of visitors to Versailles in Republican France...
The monarchy works, it's relatively cheap, and it would take too long and cost too much to replace it, so let's keep it.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
And given not many do, it's probably not quite as bad as some imagine.
So the play by Johnson, Cummings and the ERG would be. 1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis. 2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act. 3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
Amendments. Put a rider on such a bill passing to require an extension for the negotiation period etc. MPs already know about this possible play.
Responsibility is my primary worry, In life, if there is a higher authority that looks after things for you, you don’t have to grow up and take responsibility.
Aren't you a Labour party member? You've literally made the single biggest argument against the welfare state.
The welfare stare is ordinary people clubbing together to help other ordinary people in need. It’s not a higher authority.
That I feel is where you're badly wrong. Friendly societies, cooperatives, building societies, credit unions, and to an extent, charities, are ordinary people clubbing together to mutual benefit. Which is why the outcomes of those ventures are almost always positive. The welfare state isn't that. It is the opposite. It is the state absorbing within itself, power over peoples' welfare. The Government is the client and the people have no role other than to be endlessly grateful for what they themselves pay for, regardless of how poor the outcome.
Some of the greatest financial frauds and missapropriations the world has ever seen came through mutuals: the Savings and Loans in the US and the Caixa in Spain being prime examples.
So the play by Johnson, Cummings and the ERG would be. 1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis. 2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act. 3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
Amendments. Put a rider on such a bill passing to require an extension for the negotiation period etc. MPs already know about this possible play.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
If they do that they’re ostracising themselves from all of their blood relatives; upsetting your nearest and dearest is another thing that money doesn’t comfort.
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
So the play by Johnson, Cummings and the ERG would be. 1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis. 2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act. 3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
Amendments. Put a rider on such a bill passing to require an extension for the negotiation period etc. MPs already know about this possible play.
As I understand it the Benn Act only requires that a deal passes a meaningful vote - which is not a Bill.
Any amendment to Bills to implement the deal would be pointless, if the passage of the Bills through Parliament is sufficiently delayed beyond October 31st.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
If they do that they’re ostracising themselves from all of their blood relatives; upsetting your nearest and dearest is another thing that money doesn’t comfort.
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
Ostracising themselves? You make it sound like a cult. Whose side are you on?
Also, I have the perfect solution to the goldfish bowl you speak of. Instead of hiding from the papers, they just need to talk to any journalist they see about the scientific stories of the day, like how vaccines are a good thing, or how grouse moors are bad for biodiversity. The press will never bother them again.
I'd love it to be true, but I suspect the Scottish survation poll is push polling. I doubt support for independence has decreased in light of the last two months.
It's push polling. It is, nonetheless, indicative of Scots opinion. They really don't want a vote anytime soon, and it would be a mad SNP PM that pushed it, as it would probably be lost, and with it Sindy as a cause, probably forever - cf Quebec. Sturgeon is not mad.
The next Sindyref will be in the late 2020s. When Brexit is finally in the rearview mirror.
So the play by Johnson, Cummings and the ERG would be. 1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis. 2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act. 3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
Amendments. Put a rider on such a bill passing to require an extension for the negotiation period etc. MPs already know about this possible play.
As I understand it the Benn Act only requires that a deal passes a meaningful vote - which is not a Bill.
Any amendment to Bills to implement the deal would be pointless, if the passage of the Bills through Parliament is sufficiently delayed beyond October 31st.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
If they do that they’re ostracising themselves from all of their blood relatives; upsetting your nearest and dearest is another thing that money doesn’t comfort.
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
Isn't then the logical conclusion that the maintenance of a high-profile constitutional monarchy is cruel and unusual punishment, and for their own good we should abolish it and replace it with a voluntary, or at least time-limited model?
Israeli girl asked on the news who she would be voting for said her Rabbi had told her to vote for Netanyahu. 'So who are you voting for?' asked Jeremy Bowen. "Netanyahu' she answered looking at him as though he was stupid!
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
I'd love it to be true, but I suspect the Scottish survation poll is push polling. I doubt support for independence has decreased in light of the last two months.
It's push polling. It is, nonetheless, indicative of Scots opinion. They really don't want a vote anytime soon, and it would be a mad SNP PM that pushed it, as it would probably be lost, and with it Sindy as a cause, probably forever - cf Quebec. Sturgeon is not mad.
The next Sindyref will be in the late 2020s. When Brexit is finally in the rearview mirror.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
If they do that they’re ostracising themselves from all of their blood relatives; upsetting your nearest and dearest is another thing that money doesn’t comfort.
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
Ostracising themselves? You make it sound like a cult. Whose side are you on?
Also, I have the perfect solution to the goldfish bowl you speak of. Instead of hiding from the papers, they just need to talk to any journalist they see about the scientific stories of the day, like how vaccines are a good thing, or how grouse moors are bad for biodiversity. The press will never bother them again.
I’m not really on anyone’s side. I feel sorry for them as I think they have been born into a life that I would find very difficult to cope with
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
Nicely done. You should write thrillers.
If you think my writing is good, you're definitely drunk
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
I think the key word there (but unspoken) would be "yet"
Nick boles there, bravely blocking no deal by blocking any deal.
He's a wise man. Who in their right mind would trust Johnson to do anything? He's just one of the most unpleasant pieces of work British politics has ever seen
Nick boles there, bravely blocking no deal by blocking any deal.
He's a wise man. Who in their right mind would trust Johnson to do anything? He's just one of the most unpleasant pieces of work British politics has ever seen
He sounds furious that the chances of a deal aren’t zero.
A lot of people slag off the Royal Family for their so called pampered lives, but would they swap places with them? As long as your'e not starving to death I think it's always better not to be a Royal, I think they have had a nightmare being born into it
I find that a fairly convincing argument, excepting that it is open to them to walk away from the whole thing any moment they want.
If they do that they’re ostracising themselves from all of their blood relatives; upsetting your nearest and dearest is another thing that money doesn’t comfort.
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
Look at poor shy retiring Prince Harry, with his new show with Oprah and all.
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
Nicely done. You should write thrillers.
We used to have a thriller writer on here. I admired his technique.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
Where are our chums in the EU when we need them?
Standing well back. Saudi vs Iran will be a mess, but I reckon Saudi has more to lose.I
I see from wikipedia that the leaders of the top five parties in the spanish parliament all have their seats in Madrid. I know it's multi member, but a little more regional variety surely would not go amiss!
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
Nicely done. You should write thrillers.
We used to have a thriller writer on here. I admired his technique.
As I recall his weak spot was characterisation - all his characters seemed to have the same personality.
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
We've said it on here in 2010, 2015 and 2017 and yet somehow their vote always manages to hold up but I do think Labour could be heading for electoral oblivion in this election...
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
Where are our chums in the EU when we need them?
Standing well back. Saudi vs Iran will be a mess, but I reckon Saudi has more to lose.I
Keep clear imo.
An escalation of the Saudi versus Iran conflict has the potential to be the stuff of nightmares, because the proxies of both nations are spread throughout the middle east. That's not a conflict that would be easy to stand back from, metaphorically speaking, but yes, western involvement on either side may make things ten times worse.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
I was actually referring to consulting on the plans, not the holding the discussion on a particular day. Can they really not have even emailed them in advance to seek their view, if only to remove one complaint?
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
Nicely done. You should write thrillers.
Ugh! The stench was disgusting! SeanT opened one eye, then the other, and saw to his disgust that he was lying on the floor of a dingy cell. And then he suddenly felt a sharp pain in his left buttock and his trousers, what was left of them at any rate, started peeling apart! SeanT screamed in pain, but the relentless agony soon blacked him out. Only then did the malicious BUM-THROBBER emerge from SeanT's trousers, another victim for it to feed on...
I see from wikipedia that the leaders of the top five parties in the spanish parliament all have their seats in Madrid. I know it's multi member, but a little more regional variety surely would not go amiss!
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Saudis don’t have the balls to attack Iran without the US fully on board. And even then they’d be wondering if Trump would change his mind at the last minute when he sees the US casualty estimates.
I see from wikipedia that the leaders of the top five parties in the spanish parliament all have their seats in Madrid. I know it's multi member, but a little more regional variety surely would not go amiss!
...sat on the back seat, sharpening its knife, growling "just drive" as a terrified Conservative prime minister -- the country's 6th in the last decade -- grips the steering wheel, eyes darting side to side, looking for a way to get away from the maniac.
Nicely done. You should write thrillers.
We used to have a thriller writer on here. I admired his technique.
As I recall his weak spot was characterisation - all his characters seemed to have the same personality.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
My wife, as a floating Labour and variously also green and liberal Jewish voter, tends to agree with you. Each time the Mail and Telegraph run with these supposedly progressive, religiously-tolerant stories, as a clear stick to beat Corbyn with, she mentions the Telegraph's "Soros funding Remain" and Mail's "Ralph Miiliband 30s Jew" stories, and I think she's got a point. Crocodile tears from the rightwing press, however dislikeable some of Corbyn's more extreme fellow travellers may be.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
I seem to remember when Dom Cummings was rumoured to maybe have an election on this day he was the greatest incompetent and Nazi ever born.
I am fed up with hearing about how the prime minister has prorogued parliament. He hasn't - he doesn't have the authority to do so. He requested to the Queen that it be prorogued and she allowed it. How can he have broken the law if it wasn't his decision? The Scottish court concluded he acted illegally because he lied. I'm not convinced. It's sounds pedantic but then I thought the law was.
If anyone has broken the law then surely it is the Queen.
An escalation of the Saudi versus Iran conflict has the potential to be the stuff of nightmares, because the proxies of both nations are spread throughout the middle east. That's not a conflict that would be easy to stand back from, metaphorically speaking, but yes, western involvement on either side may make things ten times worse.
Indeed.
It's something that appears inevitable though. Even before this Iran had already bombed the two alternate routes that bypass their Hormuz chokepoint (the Red Sea pipeline, and Fujairah, where the UAE's bypass pipeline ends). Now they've used cruise missiles on Saudi oil facilities.
For whatever reason, Iran has basically declared war on two of its neighbours. Either Rouhani has lost the plot, or their military are freelancing - I'm not sure which is more worrying.
'A majority of Scots would vote to stay in the UK in a fresh independence referendum, new polling indicates. The survey by the Scotland in Union organisation found 59% would vote to remain, while 41% would back independence.
The Survation survey also found 27% of people support Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a second referendum within 18 months, while 87% of those who don’t want another referendum believe the 2014 contest was a ‘once-in-a-generation’ event.'
I am fed up with hearing about how the prime minister has prorogued parliament. He hasn't - he doesn't have the authority to do so. He requested to the Queen that it be prorogued and she allowed it. How can he have broken the law if it wasn't his decision? The Scottish court concluded he acted illegally because he lied. I'm not convinced. It's sounds pedantic but then I thought the law was.
If anyone has broken the law then surely it is the Queen.
I don't think that follows necessarily. Following advice in good faith even if later turns out to be wrong advice does not mean the person acting has behaved incorrectly, particularly where they were deceived.
And is it not a matter than she can technically prorogue at her whim, the issue as put forth is the PM can only request her to do so for a legitimate purpose? If it was an illegitimate purpose he was still the one engaged in active wrongdoing.
Certainly I don't follow your assertion that it is impossible to break the law if the prorogation was not his decision - its very possible to break the law in preparing a decision without reference to the formal decision maker.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
My wife, as a floating Labour and variously also green and liberal Jewish voter, tends to agree with you. Each time the Mail and Telegraph run with these supposedly progressive, religiously-tolerant stories, as a clear stick to beat Corbyn with, she mentions the Telegraph's "Soros funding Remain" and Mail's "Ralph Miiliband 30s Jew" stories, and I think she's got a point. Crocodile tears from the rightwing press, however dislikeable some of Corbyn's more extreme fellow travellers may be.
I agree with your wife. I'm sure she'll also find it quite creepy all these people suddenly interested in all things Jewish. You missed the Mail by the way. The most commented piece was one by Quentin Letts on Ed Milliband. A trully disgusting article reeking of anti semitism but it seemed to have passed everyone by.
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
It’s a type of leave versus remain - if May had been sensible she would have put her Deal vs remain to a referendum - now any deal in a referendum will be softer than that
I am fed up with hearing about how the prime minister has prorogued parliament. He hasn't - he doesn't have the authority to do so. He requested to the Queen that it be prorogued and she allowed it. How can he have broken the law if it wasn't his decision? The Scottish court concluded he acted illegally because he lied. I'm not convinced. It's sounds pedantic but then I thought the law was.
If anyone has broken the law then surely it is the Queen.
If you ever plead before the Supreme Court, I wouldn't lead with that...
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Saudis don’t have the balls to attack Iran without the US fully on board. And even then they’d be wondering if Trump would change his mind at the last minute when he sees the US casualty estimates.
Without the help of the US Iran would cause Saudi Arabia great difficulties. They have a large immigrant population who are treated as second class citizens and have no loyalty whatever towards the Saudis. There would be every chance of a civil war in the Kingdom. It was described to me about 10 years ago by a Lebanese friend who works there regularly as a tinderbox waiting for a spark
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
It’s a type of leave versus remain - if May had been sensible she would have put her Deal vs remain to a referendum - now any deal in a referendum will be softer than that
Which Farage and the Conservative Party will ignore, which means Brexit will be back on the agenda once Labour inevitably lose power. Labour either need to offer straight leave vs remain, or remain vs no deal as the referendum choices, otherwise a huge proportion of the leave won't regard this as legit (I prefer the former because Labour having to implement no deal really isn't a desirable outcome). I don't see how this option is anymore stable than Revoke.
A car capable of no more than 70mph would have to be very low powered and so dangerously slow at accelerating past bicycles for example.
I used to drive a 2CV (and Ami/Dyane variants) in my youth. It's fine at overtaking bikes.
I had a 2CV fourgonnette when I was at university in France and it was terrific. Mine had the 680cc barrels from a Citroen Visa and a jetted carb so it could (just) crack 80mph.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
My wife, as a floating Labour and variously also green and liberal Jewish voter, tends to agree with you. Each time the Mail and Telegraph run with these supposedly progressive, religiously-tolerant stories, as a clear stick to beat Corbyn with, she mentions the Telegraph's "Soros funding Remain" and Mail's "Ralph Miiliband 30s Jew" stories, and I think she's got a point. Crocodile tears from the rightwing press, however dislikeable some of Corbyn's more extreme fellow travellers may be.
I agree with your wife. I'm sure she'll also find it quite creepy all these people suddenly interested in all things Jewish. You missed the Mail by the way. The most commented piece was one by Quentin Letts on Ed Milliband. A trully disgusting article reeking of anti semitism but it seemed to have passed everyone by.
"Miliband is bad at eating bacon" wasn't exactly subtle, but then neither is debating an amnesty for Labour antisemites and scheduling the debate for Shabbat, eh.
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
It’s a type of leave versus remain - if May had been sensible she would have put her Deal vs remain to a referendum - now any deal in a referendum will be softer than that
Which Farage and the Conservative Party will ignore, which means Brexit will be back on the agenda once Labour inevitably lose power. Labour either need to offer straight leave vs remain, or remain vs no deal as the referendum choices, otherwise a huge proportion of the leave won't regard this as legit (I prefer the former because Labour having to implement no deal really isn't a desirable outcome). I don't see how this option is anymore stable than Revoke.
I would imagine in such a vote there would be thousands of spoilt ballot papers with "NO DEAL" written on them.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
The country doesn't have to stop, it just has to not hold a debate on whether hating Jews is a bad thing within a particular movement at a time observant Jews can't turn up and say "it's a bad thing".
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
My wife, as a floating Labour and variously also green and liberal Jewish voter, tends to agree with you. Each time the Mail and Telegraph run with these supposedly progressive, religiously-tolerant stories, as a clear stick to beat Corbyn with, she mentions the Telegraph's "Soros funding Remain" and Mail's "Ralph Miiliband 30s Jew" stories, and I think she's got a point. Crocodile tears from the rightwing press, however dislikeable some of Corbyn's more extreme fellow travellers may be.
Sorry you didn't miss the Mail. The worst by some distance and certainly the most insidious. Yes the Soros stories. It doesn't get much more blatent and unlike Corbyn they know exactly what they're doing.
So an even softer Brexit than May's deal versus remain, with no one campaigning for the previous. I can't see how that referendum would have any credibility.
It’s a type of leave versus remain - if May had been sensible she would have put her Deal vs remain to a referendum - now any deal in a referendum will be softer than that
Would pass 90-10 on a turnout less than half the previous referendum - would mean massive BXP gains at the next election until they won power and we leave.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Saudis don’t have the balls to attack Iran without the US fully on board. And even then they’d be wondering if Trump would change his mind at the last minute when he sees the US casualty estimates.
Without the help of the US Iran would cause Saudi Arabia great difficulties. They have a large immigrant population who are treated as second class citizens and have no loyalty whatever towards the Saudis. There would be every chance of a civil war in the Kingdom. It was described to me about 10 years ago by a Lebanese friend who works there regularly as a tinderbox waiting for a spark
He works as a tinderbox??? My goodness, they really do have problems, don't they.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Saudis don’t have the balls to attack Iran without the US fully on board. And even then they’d be wondering if Trump would change his mind at the last minute when he sees the US casualty estimates.
Without the help of the US Iran would cause Saudi Arabia great difficulties. They have a large immigrant population who are treated as second class citizens and have no loyalty whatever towards the Saudis. There would be every chance of a civil war in the Kingdom. It was described to me about 10 years ago by a Lebanese friend who works there regularly as a tinderbox waiting for a spark
He works as a tinderbox??? My goodness, they really do have problems, don't they.
An escalation of the Saudi versus Iran conflict has the potential to be the stuff of nightmares, because the proxies of both nations are spread throughout the middle east. That's not a conflict that would be easy to stand back from, metaphorically speaking, but yes, western involvement on either side may make things ten times worse.
Indeed.
It's something that appears inevitable though. Even before this Iran had already bombed the two alternate routes that bypass their Hormuz chokepoint (the Red Sea pipeline, and Fujairah, where the UAE's bypass pipeline ends). Now they've used cruise missiles on Saudi oil facilities.
For whatever reason, Iran has basically declared war on two of its neighbours. Either Rouhani has lost the plot, or their military are freelancing - I'm not sure which is more worrying.
Or, maybe a very well thought out strategy ! What has Iran got to lose now ? It is signaling that if it [ Iran ] cannot sell oil, then no one can .
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
The country doesn't have to stop, it just has to not hold a debate on whether hating Jews is a bad thing within a particular movement at a time observant Jews can't turn up and say "it's a bad thing".
Would an observant Jew find somewhere suitable to have Friday night in Brighton? And if you cancelled Friday and Saturday and Sunday for the observant Christians and the Tuesday for the leaders speech you are only left with Monday. Assuming the devout are likely to be about one in ten I don't think it's unreasonable to go ahead on Saturday
An escalation of the Saudi versus Iran conflict has the potential to be the stuff of nightmares, because the proxies of both nations are spread throughout the middle east. That's not a conflict that would be easy to stand back from, metaphorically speaking, but yes, western involvement on either side may make things ten times worse.
Indeed.
It's something that appears inevitable though. Even before this Iran had already bombed the two alternate routes that bypass their Hormuz chokepoint (the Red Sea pipeline, and Fujairah, where the UAE's bypass pipeline ends). Now they've used cruise missiles on Saudi oil facilities.
For whatever reason, Iran has basically declared war on two of its neighbours. Either Rouhani has lost the plot, or their military are freelancing - I'm not sure which is more worrying.
Or, maybe a very well thought out strategy ! What has Iran got to lose now ? It is signaling that if it [ Iran ] cannot sell oil, then no one can .
Also, it increases the value of whatever oil Iran is able to get out, by restricting world supply.
I'm sure there's plenty of visitors to Versailles in Republican France...
Ask anyone who has been on a trade mission to the Far East when there are Royals along to help. They are literally worth billions in extra trade. Now you may think it is stupid that people are swayed by Royalty and I would probably agree with you but it doesn't change the fact that they are and it is much to the benefit of our country.
The Guardian have lost their way. There's no way even Corbyn at his most stupid would have said that.
I can easily imagine him saying it, just not where it could be reported. Labour remainers will need to push even harder to reassure their voters I guess.
Er, I think the quote comes from a Corbyn article, written by Jeremy Corbyn, under the name "Jeremy Corbyn", in tomorrow's Guardian.
He was present at the writing of the article but not involved.
True of most articles by a top politician I have no doubt!
Can the party really not have even consulted with the Jewish Labour Movement? That seems such a bizarre open goal.
It's just bullshit. If the country stopped for every sabbath and shabbat and every Jewish and other denominational holiday we would be a third world country by now. It's time somene stopped these people with an agenda spewing there crap for the delectation of everyone's ignorance
The country doesn't have to stop, it just has to not hold a debate on whether hating Jews is a bad thing within a particular movement at a time observant Jews can't turn up and say "it's a bad thing".
Would an observant Jew find somewhere suitable to have Friday night in Brighton? And if you cancelled Friday and Saturday and Sunday for the observant Christians and the Tuesday for the leaders speech you are only left with Monday. Assuming the devout are likely to be about one in ten I don't think it's unreasonable to go ahead on Saturday
There's more to Shabbat than dinner, there's what you can't do as well as what you can do.
You really don't see that having a debate on what to do about people who hate Jews, and having at a time that excludes observant Jews, is a bigger problem than having a debate on what to do about people who hate Jews, and having it at a time that excludes (very religious by UK standards) Christians?
It's not 1 in 10, anyway. Based on the last study, 18% of UK Jews observe Shabbat sufficiently strictly that they won't turn lights on or off. So that's the minimum.
If the Saudis and Iranians end up in open conflict then even we in the U.K. are going to have to stop what else we’re doing and worry about it. Thank Christ at least Bolton isn’t involved any more.
The Saudis don’t have the balls to attack Iran without the US fully on board. And even then they’d be wondering if Trump would change his mind at the last minute when he sees the US casualty estimates.
Without the help of the US Iran would cause Saudi Arabia great difficulties. They have a large immigrant population who are treated as second class citizens and have no loyalty whatever towards the Saudis. There would be every chance of a civil war in the Kingdom. It was described to me about 10 years ago by a Lebanese friend who works there regularly as a tinderbox waiting for a spark
One of the first acts of the restored Kuwaiti Government at the end of the first Gulf War was to expel about half of the total population of the country as they were Palestinian workers who the Kuwaiti's believed were sympathetic to the invasion. Most of the Gulf states have vast numbers of immigrants from the larger Arab and SE Asian countries working in them. They treat them like dirt but pay well enough that it is worth doing the job.
One day there will be a reckoning in many of the countries and it can't come too soon.
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1. Vote for a deal. Any deal. On a "meaningful vote" basis.
2. This means no extension has to be requested as per the Benn Act.
3. Oh, is that the time? You mean we've run out of time to pass all the legislation to put this deal into effect. Oh, bother. I guess we've accidentally left the EU without a deal? Silly Boris...
And who adjudicates the law if not judges...
Pause,
You know, like the E[that's enough - Ed]
I also find it difficult to believe that a high profile abdicator would feel any less in the goldfish bowl than one who stayed in the family. Maybe they’d get even more attention
https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1174067395536838658?s=21
Any amendment to Bills to implement the deal would be pointless, if the passage of the Bills through Parliament is sufficiently delayed beyond October 31st.
Also, I have the perfect solution to the goldfish bowl you speak of. Instead of hiding from the papers, they just need to talk to any journalist they see about the scientific stories of the day, like how vaccines are a good thing, or how grouse moors are bad for biodiversity. The press will never bother them again.
The next Sindyref will be in the late 2020s. When Brexit is finally in the rearview mirror.
https://twitter.com/daniel_sugarman/status/1174063677219266561?s=21
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/17/labour-final-say-brexit-boris-johnson-britain-eu
Keep clear imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2019_Spanish_general_election
Yet some seem more sanguine about this ..
If anyone has broken the law then surely it is the Queen.
Indeed.
It's something that appears inevitable though. Even before this Iran had already bombed the two alternate routes that bypass their Hormuz chokepoint (the Red Sea pipeline, and Fujairah, where the UAE's bypass pipeline ends). Now they've used cruise missiles on Saudi oil facilities.
For whatever reason, Iran has basically declared war on two of its neighbours. Either Rouhani has lost the plot, or their military are freelancing - I'm not sure which is more worrying.
The survey by the Scotland in Union organisation found 59% would vote to remain, while 41% would back independence.
The Survation survey also found 27% of people support Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a second referendum within 18 months, while 87% of those who don’t want another referendum believe the 2014 contest was a ‘once-in-a-generation’ event.'
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-poll-majority-of-scots-will-vote-remain-in-the-uk-1-5005983/amp?__twitter_impression=true
And is it not a matter than she can technically prorogue at her whim, the issue as put forth is the PM can only request her to do so for a legitimate purpose? If it was an illegitimate purpose he was still the one engaged in active wrongdoing.
Certainly I don't follow your assertion that it is impossible to break the law if the prorogation was not his decision - its very possible to break the law in preparing a decision without reference to the formal decision maker.
All delegates and submissions welcome*, main hall, 11.30am.
*no Jews, obvs.
You really don't see that having a debate on what to do about people who hate Jews, and having at a time that excludes observant Jews, is a bigger problem than having a debate on what to do about people who hate Jews, and having it at a time that excludes (very religious by UK standards) Christians?
It's not 1 in 10, anyway. Based on the last study, 18% of UK Jews observe Shabbat sufficiently strictly that they won't turn lights on or off. So that's the minimum.
One day there will be a reckoning in many of the countries and it can't come too soon.