Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
Boris won't do it himself, he will let someone else do the extension if necessary
Who?
And how does the timing fit in with the Northern Ireland Referendum and the renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement?
Ken Clarke most probably propped up by Labour, the LDs, the SNP and the 21 Tory rebels while Boris becomes Leader of the Opposition
Proroguation is insane. Parliament should be sitting every bloody day until this is sorted, and Johnson's attempts to shut down dissent absolutely angers me.
Parliament has had vote after vote after vote. Debate after debate after debate. It has not achieved anything close to an understanding of what is necessary to deliver on referendum result and the manifesto commitments given at the last election.
More time isn't what they need.
Personally I would kick them all out and not let any current (or former MP) stand again.
A fresh start is what we need.
Yes, you're right! Get rid. General Election. If we could, I'd agree. Prevent any existing MP standing again.
Keep taking the tablets. I also recommend a little light reading on parliamentary democracy, the separation of powers and the rule of law.
......Greetings poppickers I am in Greece and am surprised to see that the .....pound euro is up at 1.12 .....from 1.09 the other day... anything significant happen to account for this?
Jason Stein will no doubt get a gig advising someone else in cabinet having 'leaked' that info. Does anyone seriously believe Boris would be pushing for an election if his internal polling were that abject?
If he was serious about an election he could VONC himself.
He's frit.
The optics of the govt VONC itself are ridiculous. A central plank of BJs campaign for the leadership was "get brexit done... and defeat Jeremy Corbyn". If the government VONC itself Corbyn would do a deal with the devil to be PM.
Before you say Swinson would stop him, Ken Clarke was quoted as saying he'd vote for Corbyn to prevent no deal. If Clarke could back him then so could Swinson. Immediate art 50 extension then an election.
For Corbyn the prize is fighting an election as PM, gives him the credibility and weight of the office.
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
Boris won't do it himself, he will let someone else do the extension if necessary
Who?
And how does the timing fit in with the Northern Ireland Referendum and the renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement?
Ken Clarke most probably propped up by Labour, the LDs, the SNP and the 21 Tory rebels while Boris becomes Leader of the Opposition
Unless you can fit your other predictions in with that assertion, I'm going to call you for an extremely substandard apology for Nostradamus.
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
So we end up with a total zombie govt..the rebel alliance can take control of anything when they want..in effect they can be the govt but not actually in the departments. All the cabinet are now hostages
We already have a zombie government. Led by a political zombie/pigmy (take your pick)
It would at the very least be stained with the blood of those who dies as a result of No Deal
Christ on a bike...you are without question one of the most hysterical posters on here.
I'm sorry, but people need to be realistic about this.
There is a likelihood that some people will die as a result of No Deal. There is a possibility that quite large numbers of people - say thousands - will die. (Just look at what has been said about the consequences regarding flu vaccine alone.)
If only Brexiteers could be forced to discuss facts, rather than presenting wishful thinking as facts, we might be in a better situation.
In fact, Brexiteers need urgently to discuss facts. They need to come up with reasoned arguments about the likely consequences of No Deal, backed up by demonstrable facts. That includes whether people are likely to die as a result, and how many. And if people are likely to die, they need to explain why that is acceptable to them.
There's a real problem with shroud waving arguments and it's usually (like here) best not to use them. Firstly they can be turned around: 'Are you really saying that the EU is so wicked it won't either give us a decent deal to save all those lives, or if there is no deal, work with us to ensure no lives are lost??"
Secondly it works both ways: "If we remain instead of leave all those ultra right quasi terrorists will wage a civil war and start killing people. Remember Jo Cox..."
Thirdly it proves too much. Our policy of allowing road transport kills lots of people, and we know it will do so. Shroud waving won't do. Damage limitation is the answer.
Further to my discussions with others yesterday re Chuka and Westminster. Worth noting for betting purposes that all of Jo's new LDs will have to face 'he/she sat in two stints as an independent and for 3 parties in the space of 6 months, how can you trust them?' That will sway some votes, no doubt.
Wait a mo. Are they all going to stand?
Berger has ZERO hope in Liverpool Wavertree -- and it is not a good look to kick out an existing LibDem candidate in Finchley and Golders Green.
The existing LibDem candidate in Totnes will certainly be unhappy if she is booted out for Wollaston.
There are existing, hardworking candidates and there are Big Egos from other parties (who only earlier this year were taking of annihilating the LibDems).
So expect the sound of Totnes and Golders Green arms being twisted during this weekend's Bournemouth conference. And of press releases soon from local LDs saying how delighted they are to be endorsing Mesdames Wollaston and Berger.
Neither current LibDem candidate has much of a chance. Both constituencies will have Johnsonite destroyers of the local economy masquerading as Tories. Surrounded by hundreds of fellow LibDems realising how close they are to wielding serious power - and repeating every minute the awfulness of Johnsonite collaborators - the social pressure to take one for the team will be overwhelming.
Now what was it Berger & Wollaston were plotting earlier this year as TIGgers.
Was there not a leaked memo saying we want to wipe out the Liberal Democrat party and take on all its members, donors and MPs ?
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
So we end up with a total zombie govt..the rebel alliance can take control of anything when they want..in effect they can be the govt but not actually in the departments. All the cabinet are now hostages
That's right. Johnson is like a pinned butterfly.
I'd like to rebel alliance to go for an April GE and force Johnson to ask for another extension at end January. Or is that too cruel?
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
Boris won't do it himself, he will let someone else do the extension if necessary
Who?
And how does the timing fit in with the Northern Ireland Referendum and the renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement?
Ken Clarke most probably propped up by Labour, the LDs, the SNP and the 21 Tory rebels while Boris becomes Leader of the Opposition
Unless you can fit your other predictions in with that assertion, I'm going to call you for an extremely substandard apology for Nostradamus.
We have moved into a different parallel universe. This version of HYUFD is Comical Ali as Ken Clarke's doe-eyed supporter. I am sure we will shift back again any time soon
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
So we end up with a total zombie govt..the rebel alliance can take control of anything when they want..in effect they can be the govt but not actually in the departments. All the cabinet are now hostages
We already have a zombie government. Led by a political zombie/pigmy (take your pick)
Proroguation is insane. Parliament should be sitting every bloody day until this is sorted, and Johnson's attempts to shut down dissent absolutely angers me.
Parliament has had vote after vote after vote. Debate after debate after debate. It has not achieved anything close to an understanding of what is necessary to deliver on referendum result and the manifesto commitments given at the last election.
More time isn't what they need.
Personally I would kick them all out and not let any current (or former MP) stand again.
A fresh start is what we need.
How many days has Parliament sat under the new PM and Cabinet?
I think Corbyn should go for it today, he's going to look like some weird Gov't of the Lib Dems/Labour backbenches if he doesn't. I'm not sure that's best for him - events are moving on from Boris' die in a ditch with his amusing plan to send two letters.
Boris Two Letters Johnson will fail, like he has failed at everything else significant in his life.
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
So we end up with a total zombie govt..the rebel alliance can take control of anything when they want..in effect they can be the govt but not actually in the departments. All the cabinet are now hostages
That's right. Johnson is like a pinned butterfly.
I'd like to rebel alliance to go for an April GE and force Johnson to ask for another extension at end January. Or is that too cruel?
Could we leave Boris as PM during a Remain Vs May's Deal referendum..
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Further to my discussions with others yesterday re Chuka and Westminster. Worth noting for betting purposes that all of Jo's new LDs will have to face 'he/she sat in two stints as an independent and for 3 parties in the space of 6 months, how can you trust them?' That will sway some votes, no doubt.
Wait a mo. Are they all going to stand?
Berger has ZERO hope in Liverpool Wavertree -- and it is not a good look to kick out an existing LibDem candidate in Finchley and Golders Green.
The existing LibDem candidate in Totnes will certainly be unhappy if she is booted out for Wollaston.
There are existing, hardworking candidates and there are Big Egos from other parties (who only earlier this year were taking of annihilating the LibDems).
So expect the sound of Totnes and Golders Green arms being twisted during this weekend's Bournemouth conference. And of press releases soon from local LDs saying how delighted they are to be endorsing Mesdames Wollaston and Berger.
Neither current LibDem candidate has much of a chance. Both constituencies will have Johnsonite destroyers of the local economy masquerading as Tories. Surrounded by hundreds of fellow LibDems realising how close they are to wielding serious power - and repeating every minute the awfulness of Johnsonite collaborators - the social pressure to take one for the team will be overwhelming.
When reminded of Wollaston's voting record on everything except Brexit, most Totnes LibDems would puke.
I'm looking forward to canvassing against liar Wollaston.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
It's not usually exactly right but IIRC it tends to be more accurate than the alternative projection methods that people have posted here from time to time...
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
So what, the Tories would still be about 70 seats ahead of Labour even if they lost every Scottish seat to the SNP (Labour will lose 6 seats to the SNP too)
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
Surely there just need to be a VONC with a simple majority to force the election, once the extension has been sorted.
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
So we end up with a total zombie govt..the rebel alliance can take control of anything when they want..in effect they can be the govt but not actually in the departments. All the cabinet are now hostages
That's right. Johnson is like a pinned butterfly.
I'd like to rebel alliance to go for an April GE and force Johnson to ask for another extension at end January. Or is that too cruel?
Could we leave Boris as PM during a Remain Vs May's Deal referendum..
No humiliation can be too great for this egotistical fat oaf. He has humiliated a once great party, his family and his country. What ever negatives he gets politically he deserves.
Further to my discussions with others yesterday re Chuka and Westminster. Worth noting for betting purposes that all of Jo's new LDs will have to face 'he/she sat in two stints as an independent and for 3 parties in the space of 6 months, how can you trust them?' That will sway some votes, no doubt.
Wait a mo. Are they all going to stand?
Berger has ZERO hope in Liverpool Wavertree -- and it is not a good look to kick out an existing LibDem candidate in Finchley and Golders Green.
The existing LibDem candidate in Totnes will certainly be unhappy if she is booted out for Wollaston.
There are existing, hardworking candidates and there are Big Egos from other parties (who only earlier this year were taking of annihilating the LibDems).
So expect the sound of Totnes and Golders Green arms being twisted during this weekend's Bournemouth conference. And of press releases soon from local LDs saying how delighted they are to be endorsing Mesdames Wollaston and Berger.
Neither current LibDem candidate has much of a chance. Both constituencies will have Johnsonite destroyers of the local economy masquerading as Tories. Surrounded by hundreds of fellow LibDems realising how close they are to wielding serious power - and repeating every minute the awfulness of Johnsonite collaborators - the social pressure to take one for the team will be overwhelming.
Now what was it Berger & Wollaston were plotting earlier this year as TIGgers.
Was there not a leaked memo saying we want to wipe out the Liberal Democrat party and take on all its members, donors and MPs ?
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
I don’t think the EC would allow that . Because you wouldnt have a proper mandate .
Let’s say it ended up with 40 yes and 60 no. And then the second question only allows those who voted no to answer the second question . You then have stopped the 40 percent from having an opinion on what happens next .
The best way is to have two referendums . A simple straight Remain v Leave . If it’s Leave then you have a second ballot on deal v no deal . That way you get a proper mandate going forward .
The whole justification for the second in-out referendum is that people should get to choose whether they still want to do it *once they know what leave means*. So it doesn't help to have a Remain vs Leave vote, then the Deal vs no No Deal vote after that.
What would totally make sense would be to do Deal vs No Deal first to work out what Brexit means, and once you've decided what Brexit means, do That vs Remain to make sure the voters still want to do it.
The complication is that there would be an almighty bunfight about how to handle spending limits and media time, eg do the Leave campaigns cumulatively get 3x the amount that the Remain campaign does, which seems unfair, or is one of the Leave campaigns expected to run 2 rounds on the same budget that Remain had for one, which also sounds unfair, etc etc.
The complication with this proposal is many "die hard remainers" voting for "No deal", in the hope that there will be some "Brexit but not no-deal" voters who will then vote remain in the "Remain versus No deal" referendum.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Surely if the prorogation is ruled illegal, Parliament would need to be recalled?
I think it's more a publisher desperate to recover the money they are going to lose on a book which is now talking about an historic (and far less interesting) era.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Everything Gina Miller does is pointless
Really? A bit partisan even for you. It was Ms Miller who ensured Theresa May could not use Royal Prerogative to push through the WA. You might not agree that was a good thing, but pointless it was not. The case she brought ensured that the executive had to abide by the law. Clearly some people need to be regularly reminded that with out the rule of law we become nothing better than Zimbabwe.
Jason Stein will no doubt get a gig advising someone else in cabinet having 'leaked' that info. Does anyone seriously believe Boris would be pushing for an election if his internal polling were that abject?
If he was serious about an election he could VONC himself.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Surely if the prorogation is ruled illegal, Parliament would need to be recalled?
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Everything Gina Miller does is pointless
Really ! The woman that helped to define what the Royal Perogative can be used for .
Her case means it can’t be used to strip you of your rights without parliamentary approval. Whatever your views of Brexit surely that should be applauded .
I don’t think the EC would allow that . Because you wouldnt have a proper mandate .
Let’s say it ended up with 40 yes and 60 no. And then the second question only allows those who voted no to answer the second question . You then have stopped the 40 percent from having an opinion on what happens next .
The best way is to have two referendums . A simple straight Remain v Leave . If it’s Leave then you have a second ballot on deal v no deal . That way you get a proper mandate going forward .
The whole justification for the second in-out referendum is that people should get to choose whether they still want to do it *once they know what leave means*. So it doesn't help to have a Remain vs Leave vote, then the Deal vs no No Deal vote after that.
What would totally make sense would be to do Deal vs No Deal first to work out what Brexit means, and once you've decided what Brexit means, do That vs Remain to make sure the voters still want to do it.
The complication is that there would be an almighty bunfight about how to handle spending limits and media time, eg do the Leave campaigns cumulatively get 3x the amount that the Remain campaign does, which seems unfair, or is one of the Leave campaigns expected to run 2 rounds on the same budget that Remain had for one, which also sounds unfair, etc etc.
The complication with this proposal is many "die hard remainers" voting for "No deal", in the hope that there will be some "Brexit but not no-deal" voters who will then vote remain in the "Remain versus No deal" referendum.
Yep any 3 way referendum can be gamed - which is why the electoral commission won't allow it.
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
So what, the Tories would still be about 70 seats ahead of Labour even if they lost every Scottish seat to the SNP (Labour will lose 6 seats to the SNP too)
The key thing is the majority. If we have an election at which Johnson tells everyone the opposition is intent on keeping the UK in the EU and the opposition ends up with a majority of seats, then by Leaver logic there will be a mandate to Remain.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
Presumably if Bozo doesn't ask for an extension or the EU tell him to do one Plan B is a VONC and a new PM to ensure we don't leave with No Deal. If that means Revoke and then Reinvoke A50 on Nov 1st, so be it.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Everything Gina Miller does is pointless
Really? A bit partisan even for you. It was Ms Miller who ensured Theresa May could not use Royal Prerogative to push through the WA. You might not agree that was a good thing, but pointless it was not. The case she brought ensured that the executive had to abide by the law. Clearly some people need to be regularly reminded that with out the rule of law we become nothing better than Zimbabwe.
Ok everything since then. She now appears to think she can run the country from the courts. I might have given her the benefit if she hadn't incredibly pointlessly appealed to the supreme court
Proroguation is insane. Parliament should be sitting every bloody day until this is sorted, and Johnson's attempts to shut down dissent absolutely angers me.
Parliament has had vote after vote after vote. Debate after debate after debate. It has not achieved anything close to an understanding of what is necessary to deliver on referendum result and the manifesto commitments given at the last election.
More time isn't what they need.
Personally I would kick them all out and not let any current (or former MP) stand again.
A fresh start is what we need.
How many days has Parliament sat under the new PM and Cabinet?
Nothing fundamental has changed since the change of PM. We still have a legal deadline (voted for by MPs), we still have a deal that has been rejected by MPs and a deal that the EU is not willing to renegotiate.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
Equally how does Boris remove himself as Prime minister.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Surely if the prorogation is ruled illegal, Parliament would need to be recalled?
But they are asking the Courts to strike down an order that is already in effect. And I am not sure what would happen to Parliament in those circumstances to be honest. On whose authority would it be reconvened?
Its probably academic because I don't think that the appeals have any prospects of success in any event but even by recent standards this seems frankly weird displacement activity.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Not if the Supreme Court sheds further light on when prorogation can and cannot happen - and the circumstances under which it can be extended.
The complication with this proposal is many "die hard remainers" voting for "No deal", in the hope that there will be some "Brexit but not no-deal" voters who will then vote remain in the "Remain versus No deal" referendum.
It's possible some people would try that but I don't think it would make sense for them to; I think at this point No Deal would actually be somewhat more likely to win than TMay-Barnier.
If No Deal prevailed it would lose some moderates, but there aren't many of those left, whereas TMay-Barnier would potentially lose quite a few hard-core leavers who thought the whole thing was a betrayal and stayed at home or spoiled their ballot papers.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
Perhaps a thread on how many Scottish seats would be SNP under AV would be enlightening.
Opponents of FPTP don’t normally point to Scotland as an example of the injustices..
In 2015, I was making this comment all the time. The SNP won 95% of the seats with 50% of the vote. How can that be democratic?
Since it made fuck all difference to the amount of influence Scotland had on subsequent events, the democracy point is somewhat academic. In any case it's the UK's system, if they don't like it they should get off their lardy arses and do something about it.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Everything Gina Miller does is pointless
I am not entirely sure when she was elected tribune. I must have missed that one. Were there no other candidates?
Proroguation is insane. Parliament should be sitting every bloody day until this is sorted, and Johnson's attempts to shut down dissent absolutely angers me.
Parliament has had vote after vote after vote. Debate after debate after debate. It has not achieved anything close to an understanding of what is necessary to deliver on referendum result and the manifesto commitments given at the last election.
More time isn't what they need.
Personally I would kick them all out and not let any current (or former MP) stand again.
A fresh start is what we need.
How many days has Parliament sat under the new PM and Cabinet?
Nothing fundamental has changed since the change of PM. We still have a legal deadline (voted for by MPs), we still have a deal that has been rejected by MPs and a deal that the EU is not willing to renegotiate.
What else is there left for them to talk about?
Johnson was due in front of the liaison committee tomorrow when he would have been put under detailed scrutiny by MPs. That won't happen now. Coincidentally.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
I think it will go well
But we'll still be in the EU despite Johnson having promised to leave "do or die". That's exactly what did for Theresa May.
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
So what, the Tories would still be about 70 seats ahead of Labour even if they lost every Scottish seat to the SNP (Labour will lose 6 seats to the SNP too)
The Tories only have one potential partner....well maybe the LD's if they offer another referendum.
If the election delivers the 2010 result which is not beyond imagination....a Tory led minority Govt with LD supply support could have the numbers to throw both the ERG and the DUP under a bus.....spelling out a Maylite deal and a promise of a referendum....
It would at the very least be stained with the blood of those who dies as a result of No Deal
Christ on a bike...you are without question one of the most hysterical posters on here.
I'm sorry, but people need to be realistic about this.
There is a likelihood that some people will die as a result of No Deal. There is a possibility that quite large numbers of people - say thousands - will die. (Just look at what has been said about the consequences regarding flu vaccine alone.)
If only Brexiteers could be forced to discuss facts, rather than presenting wishful thinking as facts, we might be in a better situation.
In fact, Brexiteers need urgently to discuss facts. They need to come up with reasoned arguments about the likely consequences of No Deal, backed up by demonstrable facts. That includes whether people are likely to die as a result, and how many. And if people are likely to die, they need to explain why that is acceptable to them.
There's a real problem with shroud waving arguments and it's usually (like here) best not to use them. Firstly they can be turned around: 'Are you really saying that the EU is so wicked it won't either give us a decent deal to save all those lives, or if there is no deal, work with us to ensure no lives are lost??"
Secondly it works both ways: "If we remain instead of leave all those ultra right quasi terrorists will wage a civil war and start killing people. Remember Jo Cox..."
Thirdly it proves too much. Our policy of allowing road transport kills lots of people, and we know it will do so. Shroud waving won't do. Damage limitation is the answer.
Sorry, but if a political policy is likely to result in deaths - and quite possibly a large number of deaths - you can't dismiss that with a glib reference to "shroud waving," and then just carry on with the political nonsense regardless.
People need to be grown-up. Make a proper assessment of the risks, and work out how best to avoid them.
Of course damage limitation is the answer. But there is no way that a No Deal exit, at an artificial deadline, imposed by the political imperative of a not-very-bright politician in order to achieve political office, will achieve that.
Nor will concealing the advice the government has been given about the consequences of No Deal.
Let's have an adult discussion, on the basis of accurate information. Not a load of crap fed by spin doctors to the tabloids while suppressing the official advice about what's really going to happen.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Everything Gina Miller does is pointless
I am not entirely sure when she was elected tribune. I must have missed that one. Were there no other candidates?
Maybe she stood against Dominc Cummings in a double secret election!
Lord Ashcroft 's panel has suggested that the voters do not know Jo Swinson well (if at all). This contrasts with views of Corbyn and Johnson.
This suggests that the light of a general election, TV debates, etc. could well be positive leading to a surge like 2010.
How high could it get?
Lib Dems to get over 100 seats i tell you..many will laugh in my face but im sticking to it.
After the 2017 election I got a couple of quid on LD largest party for next election at 500/1..
I think they will do very well. They have a very clear message on brexit and a new leader who hasn’t visibly failed at anything yet in her leadership. Labour will of course attack her and them with her history in the coalition and the Conservatives will attack her as someone who wants to defy the referendum result but I don’t think either of those will outweigh her appeal to those she and they will target.
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Not if the Supreme Court sheds further light on when prorogation can and cannot happen - and the circumstances under which it can be extended.
I am sure that would be very useful the next time this comes up. Hopefully that will not be for some time.
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
So what, the Tories would still be about 70 seats ahead of Labour even if they lost every Scottish seat to the SNP (Labour will lose 6 seats to the SNP too)
The Tories only have one potential partner....well maybe the LD's if they offer another referendum.
If the election delivers the 2010 result which is not beyond imagination....a Tory led minority Govt with LD supply support could have the numbers to throw both the ERG and the DUP under a bus.....spelling out a Maylite deal and a promise of a referendum....
The party that starts the game of referendum tennis will be out for at least a generation
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
He might but only if he wins a majority at the next general election
So we have a Supreme Court hearing pencilled in for 17th September to determine whether or not a prorogation that will come into effect tonight is valid or not, the Inner House of the Court of Session having refused to make an interim order at the end of last week. They are apparently due to give their decision on Wednesday and the High Court has promised its decision dismissing Gina Miller's case in early course to help the Supreme Court.
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
Not if the Supreme Court sheds further light on when prorogation can and cannot happen - and the circumstances under which it can be extended.
I am sure that would be very useful the next time this comes up. Hopefully that will not be for some time.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
I think it will go well
But we'll still be in the EU despite Johnson having promised to leave "do or die". That's exactly what did for Theresa May.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
I think it will go well
But we'll still be in the EU despite Johnson having promised to leave "do or die". That's exactly what did for Theresa May.
Actually, sorry, if Johnson agrees to the extension it will not go well. If he plonked Mays Deal, tarted up a bit, to the public as Tory policy in a GE before Nov, Brexit Party would be wiped out I reckon.
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
Perhaps a thread on how many Scottish seats would be SNP under AV would be enlightening.
Opponents of FPTP don’t normally point to Scotland as an example of the injustices..
In 2015, I was making this comment all the time. The SNP won 95% of the seats with 50% of the vote. How can that be democratic?
Since it made fuck all difference to the amount of influence Scotland had on subsequent events, the democracy point is somewhat academic. In any case it's the UK's system, if they don't like it they should get off their lardy arses and do something about it.
Paraphrased: We should put up with a rubbish electoral system because Scotland doesn't matter.
Looks like HMG is furiously walking back from No Deal. Cf Bozza’s remarks with Varadkar today.
What I said here the other week, after a friend told me he'd landed an HMG IT contract for a system essential for Brexit with a delivery date of December 2020.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
Equally how does Boris remove himself as Prime minister.
Resignation is still permitted under FTPA. Not sure the procedure is laid out clearly but in effect it would lead to the same series of steps as the government losing VONC except that Johnson wouldn’t be PM during the next 14 days.
Proroguation is insane. Parliament should be sitting every bloody day until this is sorted, and Johnson's attempts to shut down dissent absolutely angers me.
Parliament has had vote after vote after vote. Debate after debate after debate. It has not achieved anything close to an understanding of what is necessary to deliver on referendum result and the manifesto commitments given at the last election.
More time isn't what they need.
Personally I would kick them all out and not let any current (or former MP) stand again.
A fresh start is what we need.
How many days has Parliament sat under the new PM and Cabinet?
Nothing fundamental has changed since the change of PM. We still have a legal deadline (voted for by MPs), we still have a deal that has been rejected by MPs and a deal that the EU is not willing to renegotiate.
What else is there left for them to talk about?
Well there's England's performance in the Ashes for a start. A national disgrace.
But there are those pesky Tory gains from the SNP in Scotland again!!
So what, the Tories would still be about 70 seats ahead of Labour even if they lost every Scottish seat to the SNP (Labour will lose 6 seats to the SNP too)
The key thing is the majority. If we have an election at which Johnson tells everyone the opposition is intent on keeping the UK in the EU and the opposition ends up with a majority of seats, then by Leaver logic there will be a mandate to Remain.
Possibly though on those figures the DUP could still hold the balance of power giving a majority for Brexit, while if Swinson holds the balance of power as is the only alternative on those numbers she would in her own words refuse to vote for a Corbyn Premiership
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
He might but only if he wins a majority at the next general election
Why would he pass the WA with NI backstop if he had a majority? Surely then he could implement his highly successful ‘my way or no deal’ maneuver?
Yes, MPs have refused to vote for Brexit with a Deal or with No Deal despite the Leave win
MPs who voted against May's deal are now in government. Meanwhile those who voted for the deal 3 times have been expelled from the Tory Party. Go figure.
The complication with this proposal is many "die hard remainers" voting for "No deal", in the hope that there will be some "Brexit but not no-deal" voters who will then vote remain in the "Remain versus No deal" referendum.
It's possible some people would try that but I don't think it would make sense for them to; I think at this point No Deal would actually be somewhat more likely to win than TMay-Barnier.
If No Deal prevailed it would lose some moderates, but there aren't many of those left, whereas TMay-Barnier would potentially lose quite a few hard-core leavers who thought the whole thing was a betrayal and stayed at home or spoiled their ballot papers.
I would agree with you that it is not a great idea, but I bet it will be talked about a lot.
Trying to encourage the opposition to vote for an election?
Classic Dom.
It’s from Amber Rudd’s now unemployed advisor.
I’ve been saying precisely this for some time. An election is very risky for the Conservatives.
I wonder if Corbyn might go for it (Oct 14) this evening, probably not but it'd certainly catch the Lib Dems and SNP off guard.
Going for it now is insane if the Tories and BXP have any chance of forming an electoral pact. The election really does need to be in November after Boris has missed his die in a ditch October 31st deadline.
How can the opposition force an election in November though ?
The FTPA still applies with 2/3 needed to force any election. Johnson has enough loyal troops to stop that if he wants it.
Theoretically, the "rebel alliance" could pass a bill amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, with a simple majority? (Though the House of Lords probably wouldn't be as keen on that as they were on the Article 50 bill)
I think chances are there won't be an election for some time now, though.
Surely there just need to be a VONC with a simple majority to force the election, once the extension has been sorted.
I think quite a lot depends on how the extension is sorted.
If Bozo rolls over and seeks it himself in accordance with the rebel act then Farage will go into full betrayal mode, the BXP will pick up in the polls and the opposition will probably decide it's in their interests to go for an early GE.
But if Bozo tries to frustrate the process he will probably be VONC'd and replaced by a rebel-led government, led by a grandee or even by Corbyn, and I wonder if such a government might lead to a second referendum before a GE. Suppose Corbyn offered the LDs such a referendum as the price of their supporting him as caretaker? Would they really reject such an offer? A month ago perhaps they would but now I'm not so sure. They seem to have worked so closely together over the past week that personal relationships and mutual trust must have improved.
So I do not think an early election can be taken for granted.
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
He won't, Boris will likely be Leader of the Opposition if the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop has passed by then.
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
You were literally saying earlier that Boris would pass the WA with the NI only backstop. What’s changed?
He might but only if he wins a majority at the next general election
Why would he pass the WA with NI backstop if he had a majority? Surely then he could implement his highly successful ‘my way or no deal’ maneuver?
Boris' first choice has always been the Withdrawal Agreement minus the GB backstop, only Farage's first choice is no Deal
Farage has always outright opposed the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop and so the only Tory MPs and candidates he will do a pact with are the likes of Baker, Francois and Redwood wh
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
I think it will go well
But we'll still be in the EU despite Johnson having promised to leave "do or die". That's exactly what did for Theresa May.
So come October, Boris Johnson will be extending Article 50 and pursuing a policy of implementing a version of Theresa May's deal? How do you think winning back Brexit Party voters will go after that?
I think it will go well
But we'll still be in the EU despite Johnson having promised to leave "do or die". That's exactly what did for Theresa May.
Actually, sorry, if Johnson agrees to the extension it will not go well. If he plonked Mays Deal, tarted up a bit, to the public as Tory policy in a GE before Nov, Brexit Party would be wiped out I reckon.
The Tories would split again and half the Cabinet would resign. That's the ridiculous situation Johnson has got himself into. He has to deliver No Deal.
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https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=31&LAB=27&LIB=20&Brexit=13&Green=3&UKIP=2&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base
.....from 1.09 the other day... anything significant happen to account for this?
I can also comment that most of the 50 safest Conservative seats have never been won by Labour, not even in 1997.
Before you say Swinson would stop him, Ken Clarke was quoted as saying he'd vote for Corbyn to prevent no deal. If Clarke could back him then so could Swinson. Immediate art 50 extension then an election.
For Corbyn the prize is fighting an election as PM, gives him the credibility and weight of the office.
Secondly it works both ways: "If we remain instead of leave all those ultra right quasi terrorists will wage a civil war and start killing people. Remember Jo Cox..."
Thirdly it proves too much. Our policy of allowing road transport kills lots of people, and we know it will do so. Shroud waving won't do. Damage limitation is the answer.
Was there not a leaked memo saying we want to wipe out the Liberal Democrat party and take on all its members, donors and MPs ?
Hilarious.
I'd like to rebel alliance to go for an April GE and force Johnson to ask for another extension at end January. Or is that too cruel?
Bambos Charalambous is reselected in Enfield South.
Match Boris Johnson's body part to the species.
Body parts:
(1) Brain
(2) Penis
(3) Body fat
Species:
(A) Zombie
(B) Pygmy
(C) Elephant
Lord Ashcroft 's panel has suggested that the voters do not know Jo Swinson well (if at all). This contrasts with views of Corbyn and Johnson.
This suggests that the light of a general election, TV debates, etc. could well be positive leading to a surge like 2010.
How high could it get?
I am sure I am missing something but is this not all a bit pointless?
I'm looking forward to canvassing against liar Wollaston.
Opponents of FPTP don’t normally point to Scotland as an example of the injustices..
Though of course Yougov gives a Tory majority of around 100 in its latest poll even with the Brexit Party still over 10% as the Brexit Party are picking up Labour Leave votes too
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1171029599205154817
Her case means it can’t be used to strip you of your rights without parliamentary approval. Whatever your views of Brexit surely that should be applauded .
What else is there left for them to talk about?
Its probably academic because I don't think that the appeals have any prospects of success in any event but even by recent standards this seems frankly weird displacement activity.
Let’s waste time arguing about the findings for months, if not years, with strangers under pseudonyms!
If No Deal prevailed it would lose some moderates, but there aren't many of those left, whereas TMay-Barnier would potentially lose quite a few hard-core leavers who thought the whole thing was a betrayal and stayed at home or spoiled their ballot papers.
I have been shopping around the spread markets this morning..they are all too "frit" to stick up Ge seat markets
If the election delivers the 2010 result which is not beyond imagination....a Tory led minority Govt with LD supply support could have the numbers to throw both the ERG and the DUP under a bus.....spelling out a Maylite deal and a promise of a referendum....
People need to be grown-up. Make a proper assessment of the risks, and work out how best to avoid them.
Of course damage limitation is the answer. But there is no way that a No Deal exit, at an artificial deadline, imposed by the political imperative of a not-very-bright politician in order to achieve political office, will achieve that.
Nor will concealing the advice the government has been given about the consequences of No Deal.
Let's have an adult discussion, on the basis of accurate information. Not a load of crap fed by spin doctors to the tabloids while suppressing the official advice about what's really going to happen.
Utter madness.
54% think it unacceptable to prorogue parliament to Revoke, the question does not apply if parliament agrees Revoke.
https://www.cityam.com/going-dutch-uk-investment-in-netherlands-soars-since-brexit-referendum/
No deal was never on the table.
If Bozo rolls over and seeks it himself in accordance with the rebel act then Farage will go into full betrayal mode, the BXP will pick up in the polls and the opposition will probably decide it's in their interests to go for an early GE.
But if Bozo tries to frustrate the process he will probably be VONC'd and replaced by a rebel-led government, led by a grandee or even by Corbyn, and I wonder if such a government might lead to a second referendum before a GE. Suppose Corbyn offered the LDs such a referendum as the price of their supporting him as caretaker? Would they really reject such an offer? A month ago perhaps they would but now I'm not so sure. They seem to have worked so closely together over the past week that personal relationships and mutual trust must have improved.
So I do not think an early election can be taken for granted.