Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good he is at game theory.
Yes, he has gamed a game of chicken against a freight train
So on those figures then at the next general election Northern Ireland would still elect a majority of Unionist MPs (9 DUP and Lady Hermon), with 7 SF Nationalist MPs and 1 Alliance MP
Yes, you posted it yesterday. Big drinker or something? Not that that's a criticism.
Since I didn't post it previously, I don't think it's me who should be checking my drinking.
As a self-professed die-hard Remainer atheist, I would tell him that wearing a funny collar and clothes does not confer wisdom, nor is there a pipeline of eternal verities coming into his skull from on high.
I was criticising him only a week ago for looking to convene a citizens assembly and dismissing anyone who favoured a No Deal Brexit, ruling it out entirely.
Maybe he should just stick to matters theological?
Yes, you posted it yesterday. Big drinker or something? Not that that's a criticism.
Since I didn't post it previously, I don't think it's me who should be checking my drinking.
As a self-professed die-hard Remainer atheist, I would tell him that wearing a funny collar and clothes does not confer wisdom, nor is there a pipeline of eternal verities coming into his skull from on high.
I was criticising him only a week ago for looking to convene a citizens assembly and dismissing anyone who favoured a No Deal Brexit, ruling it out entirely.
Maybe he should just stick to matters theological?
Can I just check - people do know he's a member of Parliament?
Which constituency did he stand in and how many votes did he get?
The House of Bishops and more than any other member of the Lords?
So the people - ordinary people like you and me - voted him in to represent them?
I do tolerate the Lords in general, mostly because they tend to act as a brake on some of the dafter legislation the Commons occasionally dreams up, but hereditary Lords and Bishops can go jump in the canal as far as I am concerned.
Well, I had an indirect vote as a member of the Church of England. As did others, e.g. Foxy and El Capitano. So I would argue he is actually present due to a more democratic process than most members of the lords. Remember, around 90 of them are there basically because their ancestors spread their legs for the right Monarch.
Isn’t that more or less an explicit exhortation to stockpile?
As we have seen many times before the intent of a message from the government and the meaning the public deduce from it are often at odds. But don't worry about it, Johnson and the puppetmaster have it all worked out.
Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good at game theory he is.
It was quite funny when it was commented that while Gauke was on holiday floating on unicorn lilos Cummings was gaming every possibility 24/7 throughout the whole recess
Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good he is at game theory.
Yes, he has gamed a game of chicken against a freight train
Let's hope it turns out to be of the Hornby variety.
Interesting to see on the previous thread that Beverley (a self-professed die hard Remainer) would accept EEA-EFTA.
I would also be willing to accept this, now, as a compromise to settle the issue. Revisit if needs be in 10-15 years time to see how it's working.
Is there still hope?
Late to the party but I would also take this if offered now, despite wanting a referendum personally. My main motivation is stopping the Settled Ststus scheme, so I could never get behind the negotiated deal or see it as a compromise, but EEA would get us over the line and begin to take the heat out of the argument which is boiling over right now.
Then after a few years we could see whether we felt we had it right, we wanted to move further away, or felt that we'd made a mistake and look to rejoin.
Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good he is at game theory.
Yes, he has gamed a game of chicken against a freight train
Let's hope it turns out to be of the Hornby variety.
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good at game theory he is.
It was quite funny when it was commented that while Gauke was on holiday floating on unicorn lilos Cummings was gaming every possibility 24/7 throughout the whole recess
Has Cummings gamed the possibility that No Deal will be an economic disaster?
Apparently Dominic Cummings has game-theoried every possible scenario for the next few days and weeks, so if it all goes wrong for the government we'll know how good at game theory he is.
It was quite funny when it was commented that while Gauke was on holiday floating on unicorn lilos Cummings was gaming every possibility 24/7 throughout the whole recess
Has Cummings gamed the possibility that No Deal will be an economic disaster?
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
Interesting to see on the previous thread that Beverley (a self-professed die hard Remainer) would accept EEA-
I woukd be willing
That's probably the biggest blocker. But I think migration from the EU is decreasing in salience as an issue and an emergency brake would cover it.
In 10 years maybe but we have to deliver the Vote Leave campaign to replace free movement from the EU with a points system first as well as doing our own trade
"...what Leave voters really voted for" Now there's a thing.
It's incredible the way some people are self-appointing themselves as the only true diviners of what 17m people voted for.
Vote Leave campaigned for a points system to replace free movement and to do our own trade deals, if you voted Leave that was the official campaign platform for Leave you were voting for. It has to be tried first to respect the Leave vote, staying in the Single Market and Customs Union does not deliver it
Well, no. It’s respecting the first and last bullet points in this part of the Leave pitch that Johnson is betraying Leave voters by ignoring-
No, as Boris still wants to pass the Withdrawal Agreement to move to a FTA while replacing the backstop with a technical solution so the whole UK leaves the single market and customs union and replaces free movement with a points system and can do its own trade deals and is free of control from European courts
You cannot get away with that line for much longer. If he wanted any of those those things he’d be pushing for enough time to get them in place - something impossible to do before 31 October. You know there is no “technical solution” as well as anyone or you would have told us what it is by now. It’s just the same tired phrases that mean nothing “Diehard Remainers”, “points based”, “technical solutions”. There is no “technical solution”.
It’s all empty phrases, all of it. It’s all you have. You can persuade huge numbers of people by telling them nice things they love to hear but you can’t deliver any of it.
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
The whole strategy is so obvious and it is not just conservatives rebels who need to fear their deselection and a GE but a good number of independents and labour mps in leave areas will be bidding farewell to their careers
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
And Good Brie?
Ah well, there I have to disagree with you... Somerset brie is very good (at least the one they sell in Waitrose is).
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
And Good Brie?
It might be Good Brie to All That in 2 months time
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
I bought 10l of olive oil today. Plus loo paper [ I think 4 x 16 ] and lots of water. Just the start.
Yes, you posted it yesterday. Big drinker or something? Not that that's a criticism.
Since I didn't post it previously, I don't think it's me who should be checking my drinking.
As a self-professed die-hard Remainer atheist, I would tell him that wearing a funny collar and clothes does not confer wisdom, nor is there a pipeline of eternal verities coming into his skull from on high.
I was criticising him only a week ago for looking to convene a citizens assembly and dismissing anyone who favoured a No Deal Brexit, ruling it out entirely.
Maybe he should just stick to matters theological?
The whole strategy is so obvious and it is not just conservatives rebels who need to fear their deselection and a GE but a good number of independents and labour mps in leave areas will be bidding farewell to their careers
Indeed, the No Deal Government advertising is conveniently times as well!
Until last week I thought that we were fortunate enough to be living in a free society where burning the national flag would result in nothing more than a tut tut and a frown.
Now, with Bozo's Stasi tendencies, it will probably get you locked up like it does in numerous other dictatorships.
Thanks. It is a very good article and underlines how difficult it is going to be for the rebels to prevent No Deal.
To be fair it is difficult because the 'rebels' don't know what they want (only what they don't), don't know who should lead them, don't know if they have the numbers, and don't know who should form the new government following VONC. Apart from that they are coherent and organised. And good at blaming the other side for using every tactic in the book, just like themselves.
Oh yes, and they may also have forgotten that government policy is to get a deal, not no deal.
People don’t give a sh*t mate. It’s just a flag and incredibly unbritish to get your knickers in a twist over.
I have a feeling you're projecting your sense of right and wrong on to decent people.
There are always a few idiots, but the plethora of Union Flags at #Peoplesvote marches amongst the other flags shows that there are plenty of patriotic Remainers.
People don’t give a sh*t mate. It’s just a flag and incredibly unbritish to get your knickers in a twist over.
I have a feeling you're projecting your sense of right and wrong on to decent people.
There are always a few idiots, but the plethora of Union Flags at #Peoplesvote marches amongst the other flags shows that there are plenty of patriotic Remainers.
You can be patriotic but still not care about a few idiots burning a flag. Flag waving is just naff anyway.
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
And Good Brie?
Ah well, there I have to disagree with you... Somerset brie is very good (at least the one they sell in Waitrose is).
In that case, cancel the revolution.
BTW I always refer to 'Good Brie' in homage to the Catherine Tate sketch.
Bloody hell - Rory Stewart. "I'm Sparticus!" Top marks that man!
He's the only Tory I could vote for.
I’m prepared to drive to Penrith to campaign for him if it comes to that. An honest, intelligent, reasoned man who’s willing to actually listen apparently has no place in the Tory party.
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
And Good Brie?
Ah well, there I have to disagree with you... Somerset brie is very good (at least the one they sell in Waitrose is).
In that case, cancel the revolution.
BTW I always refer to 'Good Brie' in homage to the Catherine Tate sketch.
Ah - apols.
Even though I like the Catherine Tate sketches I have seen, I somehow missed most of her stuff, so I probably fell into that one.
People don’t give a sh*t mate. It’s just a flag and incredibly unbritish to get your knickers in a twist over.
I have a feeling you're projecting your sense of right and wrong on to decent people.
There are always a few idiots, but the plethora of Union Flags at #Peoplesvote marches amongst the other flags shows that there are plenty of patriotic Remainers.
You can be patriotic but still not care about a few idiots burning a flag. Flag waving is just naff anyway.
Tens of thousands do that daily in our country with the EU flag - so naff as well !!!!
People don’t give a sh*t mate. It’s just a flag and incredibly unbritish to get your knickers in a twist over.
I have a feeling you're projecting your sense of right and wrong on to decent people.
There are always a few idiots, but the plethora of Union Flags at #Peoplesvote marches amongst the other flags shows that there are plenty of patriotic Remainers.
You can be patriotic but still not care about a few idiots burning a flag. Flag waving is just naff anyway.
Tens of thousands do that daily in our country with the EU flag - so naff as well !!!!
He has given them the option of taking the knee or being politically neutered...and I think you will be surprised about how many choose the former.
If thy lose the whip, BoZo is the one that's politically neutered...
We have passed the point of relevancy for routine parliamentary business.
This is coming to a head in the next week or so and those Tories not standing down at the next GE will be faced with the question about whether they support the EU or they support 17m+ of their own citizens.
Until last week I thought that we were fortunate enough to be living in a free society where burning the national flag would result in nothing more than a tut tut and a frown.
Now, with Bozo's Stasi tendencies, it will probably get you locked up like it does in numerous other dictatorships.
"However, the site shows that not everyone is affected by Brexit. British nationals who live and work in the UK, do not run a business and have no plans to travel abroad are told to simply sit back and relax: “Based on your responses, you do not need to take any action to prepare for the Brexit deadline of 31 October 2019.”"
What should it be recommending? If you live and work in the UK, don't have a business, and have no plans to travel there isn't much for you to do.
Stock up on canned goods. We've already started but I'm not sure if Heinz Ravioli has all the nutritional ingredients required.
I wouldn't expect absolute shortages of food, more that certain foods become unavailable.
Which is why we have laid down a store of capers and other middle class luxuries. Our Brexit stockpile is extensive and delicious
Anchovies and olive oil - neither of which can be home grown AFAIK
And Good Brie?
Ah well, there I have to disagree with you... Somerset brie is very good (at least the one they sell in Waitrose is).
In that case, cancel the revolution.
BTW I always refer to 'Good Brie' in homage to the Catherine Tate sketch.
Ah - apols.
Even though I like the Catherine Tate sketches I have seen, I somehow missed most of her stuff, so I probably fell into that one.
He has given them the option of taking the knee or being politically neutered...and I think you will be surprised about how many choose the former.
If thy lose the whip, BoZo is the one that's politically neutered...
We have passed the point of relevancy for routine parliamentary business.
This is coming to a head in the next week or so and those Tories not standing down at the next GE will be faced with the question about whether they support the EU or they support 17m+ of their own citizens.
They support 60m+ of their own citizens. That’s why they want to avoid ‘no deal’.
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Too many gags...
I note that the ROI will become a net contributor to the EU after Brexit - ouch.
@Foxy is a Nonconformist, and not in the C of E.
Then after a few years we could see whether we felt we had it right, we wanted to move further away, or felt that we'd made a mistake and look to rejoin.
Maybe in this case I should have started my comment with ‘many’.
He's not even trying for the WA, it was never even remotely a serious proposal from him.
https://news.sky.com/story/technological-solution-to-irish-border-issue-could-be-a-decade-away-says-home-office-document-11696337
We already have a “points system” for non EEA nationals that is has failed completely and no proposals have been put forward for a new one that is.
https://capx.co/britains-immigration-isnt-fit-for-purpose/
It’s all empty phrases, all of it. It’s all you have. You can persuade huge numbers of people by telling them nice things they love to hear but you can’t deliver any of it.
We can rule that out then.
At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious I think the likelihood of that is pretty remote.
That leaves no-deal or a GE...there are no other outs for Boris.
Those Tory ultra-remainers were never going to be loyal Boris supporters whilst he was PM regardless of the outcome of Brexit.
He has given them the option of taking the knee or being politically neutered...and I think you will be surprised about how many choose the former.
The whole strategy is so obvious and it is not just conservatives rebels who need to fear their deselection and a GE but a good number of independents and labour mps in leave areas will be bidding farewell to their careers
It might be Good Brie to All That in 2 months time
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1168266343793221632?s=21
Just the start.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1168266343793221632
Now, with Bozo's Stasi tendencies, it will probably get you locked up like it does in numerous other dictatorships.
Oh yes, and they may also have forgotten that government policy is to get a deal, not no deal.
He's the only Tory I could vote for.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1168266343793221632
BTW I always refer to 'Good Brie' in homage to the Catherine Tate sketch.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1168268774648221696
And he likes a lynchin'.....
Even though I like the Catherine Tate sketches I have seen, I somehow missed most of her stuff, so I probably fell into that one.
Still, am I bovvered?
Expel those that disagree and yes men remain.
Not a good outcome, but united for a while.
This is coming to a head in the next week or so and those Tories not standing down at the next GE will be faced with the question about whether they support the EU or they support 17m+ of their own citizens.
File under Back;Sack;Crack.
And I mean that genuinely.
Their refusal to accept the democratic will of 17m+ has left them diminished and tarnished such that they are electoral poison.
(No, it's not here yet)