I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
Nope, in a lot of cases especially up North productive youngsters came along and then discovered how to play our welfare system. And being organised a lot have discovered how to play our welfare system better than the locals can.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
This isn’t a secret strategy. It’s been publicly announced.
Have we ever had a thread header from someone actually in the import/export business across a number of sectors to tell us what is potentially going to happen. Of course they may be too busy to write it at the moment.
Hamiltonace said he was in medical sector and reckoned it was going to be problematic for his business
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
It is not in his gift if the Commons is willing to install an alternative PM.
That’s the only path open to them. Jeremy to lay the motion Tuesday?
He could wait until Parliament returns from Prorogation in mid-October.
Moaning and amnesiac minnies, all of you. The three greatest improvements of life in the UK in my lifetime have been (in this order) decriminalising gays, the massive reduction in smoking and the huge increase in the accuracy of weather forecasting.
Where do you get the weather bit from? I've tried to find hard data but with little success.
What little information I have found suggests that forecasting has improved but not by a huge amount, and only fairly recently.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
It is not in his gift if the Commons is willing to install an alternative PM.
That’s the only path open to them. Jeremy to lay the motion Tuesday?
Why Tuesday - the plan for this week is to get Legislation blocking No Deal past.
a VonC can and probably will wait until October when time pressures means a suitable GONU leader would be found very quickly to get an extension.
It’s clear that the way to beat the tyrant Johnson is to keep him in power and force him to delay Brexit.
Theresify him.
If the opposition is wise they will sit on their hands and let Cummings get closer to Oct 31st. His antics last week show how desperate he is to goad parliament into a GE before they have to make a decision. He wants to ride the populist wave before there is any chance of reality hitting
Unfortunately I am not sure the opposition is that wise.
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
If you've ever been to Jaywick, you can understand why people there might vote UKIP, or anything but Labour & Conservative.
Absolutely. Neither have any opinion on or interest in Jaywick whatsoever.
(I haven’t been).
TV Series on it , desperate desperate conditions and given it was right on beautiful beach location.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
What's funny about that? It would scupper Boris' plan since they could very quickly prevent no deal while making clear theyd vote for an election the next day, so accusations of being frit would not stick. If Boris thinks hed win he can bring it on even when no deal is not happening.
It is precisely what Boris wants them to do. He is desperate for the extension but cannot ask for it himself, that is the whole point of the halfway prorogation.
For the country, asking for an extension before an election is the right thing for the remain alliance.
For Labour, it would be better to have the only way to stop no deal being by voting in Labour.
Corbyn has been as utterly cynical as Johnson, so may actually prefer the GE without an extension, although I would expect the likes of Starmer and Thornberry to be furious if that is the path he chooses.
Once Brexit is extended or anti no deal legislation is implemented, Farage has the excuse he needs to stand in every seat, portray Boris as letting no deal be stopped because he wasn't a true enough believer, and hoover up the most die-hard leave vote. It would destroy the tories's chance of a majority.
Quite possibly. I think there is a divide in the Labour leadership though between those who want to
1) ensure the tories dont get a majority and we avoid no deal, work with other parties after an election (Thornberry, Starmer wing) 2) maximise the chance of a Labour majority, even if the chance of the majority is very low and at the likely cost of no deal and a Tory majority (Corbyn and momentum)
1 is the obvious choice given the current polling but little about UK politics has been obvious in the last decade and Corbyn is particularly stubborn.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
In September chances are they won't have a suitable candidate - by October they will. Delaying until October 22nd / 23rd allows minds to be concentrated.
What's funny about that? It would scupper Boris' plan since they could very quickly prevent no deal while making clear theyd vote for an election the next day, so accusations of being frit would not stick. If Boris thinks hed win he can bring it on even when no deal is not happening.
It would allow Boris to reinforce the narrative though of parliament / Labour + Lib Dems are trying to stop Brexit. May's polling didn't just go through the floor because of the delay, IMO it is because a lot of people never thought he she really wanted to get it done / was so bloody useless she never would.
In any GE, it is clear they aren't going for the Blair / Cameron big tent approach, rather to get the Brexit vote which will give them 35-40%, while assuming that the anti-Brexit vote is split between all the other parties.
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
How many 'commuter resorts' do you think Newcastle needs ?
Not that Newcastle itself lacks for run down shithole estates.
Sure. It’s not ideal. The North East is the poorest region in England, I think.
But Newcastle (and Durham) are the only two feasible hubs for real productive growth.
Real productive growth in what ?
Red brick universities and posho restaurants perhaps ?
We need an economy which allows people to contribute and create wealth throughout the socioeconomic scale.
Do you know anything about the North East? Newcastle and Durham are far from just red brick universities and posho restaurants. In fact Newcastle has only 1 Michelin Star restaurant.
Greater Newcastle and Greater Durham have a huge chunk of all the area's manufacturing, R&D, warehousing and shopping infrastructure as well as all of the area's art, culture and music scene.
And Durham is a big tourism centre as well.
But how much can any of that be expanded and is it even a good idea to concentrate the regions economic activity even more, to turn all the other places into satellite towns and have even more people commute ?
Short of a gold rush, TINA for the Middlesbroughs. But we’re not actually even doing that. We’re just leaving it to rot.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
It is not in his gift if the Commons is willing to install an alternative PM.
That’s the only path open to them. Jeremy to lay the motion Tuesday?
Why Tuesday - the plan for this week is to get Legislation blocking No Deal past.
a VonC can and probably will wait until October when time pressures means a suitable GONU leader would be found very quickly to get an extension.
They may be able to pass legislation but if the govt refuses to implement it their only weapon is to VONC.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
The unfortunate fact is that there is always going to be people in socioeconomic groups D and E with low levels of ability, skills and education.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
Unemployment is far higher in many European countries than it is here which suggests no shortage of the unproductive and uneducated.
But there are other European countries, Germany most obviously, where the education and technical training seems to produce better results than it does here and that has been a problem for generations.
As to the variety of immigrants a walk through a South Yorkshire town centre or supermarket will show that we have some of the 'sitting on their arse smoking tabs' variety.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
How many 'commuter resorts' do you think Newcastle needs ?
Not that Newcastle itself lacks for run down shithole estates.
Sure. It’s not ideal. The North East is the poorest region in England, I think.
But Newcastle (and Durham) are the only two feasible hubs for real productive growth.
Real productive growth in what ?
Red brick universities and posho restaurants perhaps ?
We need an economy which allows people to contribute and create wealth throughout the socioeconomic scale.
Do you know anything about the North East? Newcastle and Durham are far from just red brick universities and posho restaurants. In fact Newcastle has only 1 Michelin Star restaurant.
Greater Newcastle and Greater Durham have a huge chunk of all the area's manufacturing, R&D, warehousing and shopping infrastructure as well as all of the area's art, culture and music scene.
And Durham is a big tourism centre as well.
But how much can any of that be expanded and is it even a good idea to concentrate the regions economic activity even more, to turn all the other places into satellite towns and have even more people commute ?
Short of a gold rush, TINA for the Middlesbroughs. But we’re not actually even doing that. We’re just leaving it to rot.
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Of course not but they do provide jobs, they do encourage visitors, and they encourage people like doctors and business owners to actually live in the town.
One part of Hartlepool's weakness is that Wynyard is right next door and given that and a Sainsburys delivery service you don't need to visit Hartlepool ever
(I say Sainsburys as Ocado don't deliver in the North East and the nearest Waitrose is in Newcastle City Centre).
The humanity!
Ilford lost a Toys R Us about 18 months ago - and its replacement opened yesterday: a brand new B & M discount shop!!
Not much wrong with B&M, much more useful than a Toys R Us
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
On top of that, rain's possible, albeit apparently unlikely (my faith in the BBC weather forecast has never been lower).
You can find the forecast the BBC are too skint/tight to pay for by using the Met Office website.
Met Office forecasts have been consistently rated better than the US forecasts (that the BBC now uses) for decades.
It is a crazy situation that the met office, which is mostly government funded, is not expected to provide the UK public with weather via the most easy to access platform, which is the BBC.
Presumably the BBC would be happy paying them whatever they are paying for the private forecasts, so the met office are effectively keeping the publicly funded data private.
Quangos gone wrong.
The Met Office get all of their funding through contracts (though many of their contracts are with government departments or quangos). If they negotiate a cut-price contract with one customer all the other customers will want the same improved deal.
In the US the system is different. The basic model forecast is funded directly and given away for free. That's why the Met Office can be undercut - its competitors aren't paying for the model output.
Before you rush to embrace the US system reflect that direct funding has led to under-funding and therefore lower quality forecasts. The Met Office has competed by providing better quality.
The BBC's forecasts have been very poor since they switched from the Met Office. A great example of how market forces don't always work for the poplulation at large.
How would anybody know?
For years I've been an advocate of Forecasters publishing their results, preferable together with the next forecast. Why not? Racing tipsters publish theirs and even Tipping Lines normally 'proof' their suggestions to the Racing Post before the off.
What use is any forecasting outfit that doesn't make results readily available? Without them they have all the credibility of Astrologers.
There is loads of information about forecast accuracy.
Ok. Maybe I need to try harder. But how about forecasters actually giving the accuracy of yesterday's forecast when they give you today's?
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
The great news today is that we’ll have the food we need after our No Deal Brexit. It might not be what we want, but that’s taking back control for you.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Where do you get the weather bit from? I've tried to find hard data but with little success.
What little information I have found suggests that forecasting has improved but not by a huge amount, and only fairly recently.
Would appreciate a citation if you have one.
Thanks.
Mere personal observation. I look at all of: bbc, met office, netweather.
In that case I can beat you!
Nate Silver covered the topic quite extensively in his book The Signal Not The Noise. I no longer have my copy but recall him stating that forecasts have improved a lot in recent years and the best were now about 78% accurate.
That sounds ok until it is pointed out that if one predicts each day that it will not rain, you will be right about 70% of the time. So the whole meteorological biz seems to give you an uplift of around 8%.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
EU money also. Ironically.
This is because Britain (and the Treasury) has basically forfeited anything approaching a regional development policy.
Despite gross inequalities across regions.
Then we wonder why attachment to the Union is weakening.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
Nope, in a lot of cases especially up North productive youngsters came along and then discovered how to play our welfare system. And being organised a lot have discovered how to play our welfare system better than the locals can.
This is utter bollocks. Have you any expereince of the welfare system in action?
No 'productive youngster' would choose that route if they had a genuine alternative of productive employment - living on welfare is pretty crap.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
Nope, in a lot of cases especially up North productive youngsters came along and then discovered how to play our welfare system. And being organised a lot have discovered how to play our welfare system better than the locals can.
This is utter bollocks. Have you any expereince of the welfare system in action?
No 'productive youngster' would choose that route if they had a genuine alternative of productive employment - living on welfare is pretty crap.
It's a few years later when children arrive - then suddenly a 16 hour week rather than 50 hours on minimum wage becomes very attractive.
I see it all the time nowadays when looking at local primary schools...
How many 'commuter resorts' do you think Newcastle needs ?
Not that Newcastle itself lacks for run down shithole estates.
Sure. It’s not ideal. The North East is the poorest region in England, I think.
But Newcastle (and Durham) are the only two feasible hubs for real productive growth.
Real productive growth in what ?
Red brick universities and posho restaurants perhaps ?
We need an economy which allows people to contribute and create wealth throughout the socioeconomic scale.
Do you know anything about the North East? Newcastle and Durham are far from just red brick universities and posho restaurants. In fact Newcastle has only 1 Michelin Star restaurant.
Greater Newcastle and Greater Durham have a huge chunk of all the area's manufacturing, R&D, warehousing and shopping infrastructure as well as all of the area's art, culture and music scene.
And Durham is a big tourism centre as well.
But how much can any of that be expanded and is it even a good idea to concentrate the regions economic activity even more, to turn all the other places into satellite towns and have even more people commute ?
Short of a gold rush, TINA for the Middlesbroughs. But we’re not actually even doing that. We’re just leaving it to rot.
Well I can't talk about Teeside beyond generalities but if you're looking to concentrate economic activity in the Newcastle and Durham areas then where are the commuters going to prefer to live ?
In a deprived part of Middlesbrough or in a nice new housing development along the A1 ?
And its no use telling the people who do live in the deprived parts of Middlesbrough to commute to Newcastle or Durham because they don't have the skillset to get the good jobs while the lower paid jobs don't pay enough to make the commute worthwhile.
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
It’s clear that the way to beat the tyrant Johnson is to keep him in power and force him to delay Brexit.
Theresify him.
If the opposition is wise they will sit on their hands and let Cummings get closer to Oct 31st. His antics last week show how desperate he is to goad parliament into a GE before they have to make a decision. He wants to ride the populist wave before there is any chance of reality hitting
Unfortunately I am not sure the opposition is that wise.
I think there is something in what you say. Cummings seems to want himself and his god like game playing to be the story, which is a big gamble.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
How many 'commuter resorts' do you think Newcastle needs ?
Not that Newcastle itself lacks for run down shithole estates.
Sure. It’s not ideal. The North East is the poorest region in England, I think.
But Newcastle (and Durham) are the only two feasible hubs for real productive growth.
Real productive growth in what ?
Red brick universities and posho restaurants perhaps ?
We need an economy which allows people to contribute and create wealth throughout the socioeconomic scale.
Do you know anything about the North East? Newcastle and Durham are far from just red brick universities and posho restaurants. In fact Newcastle has only 1 Michelin Star restaurant.
Greater Newcastle and Greater Durham have a huge chunk of all the area's manufacturing, R&D, warehousing and shopping infrastructure as well as all of the area's art, culture and music scene.
And Durham is a big tourism centre as well.
But how much can any of that be expanded and is it even a good idea to concentrate the regions economic activity even more, to turn all the other places into satellite towns and have even more people commute ?
Short of a gold rush, TINA for the Middlesbroughs. But we’re not actually even doing that. We’re just leaving it to rot.
Well I can't talk about Teeside beyond generalities but if you're looking to concentrate economic activity in the Newcastle and Durham areas then where are the commuters going to prefer to live ?
In a deprived part of Middlesbrough or in a nice new housing development along the A1 ?
And its no use telling the people who do live in the deprived parts of Middlesbrough to commute to Newcastle or Durham because they don't have the skillset to get the good jobs while the lower paid jobs don't pay enough to make the commute worthwhile.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
But he cant under the FTPA unless he gets 2/3 maj of house. Lab will in those circumstances abstain.
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
They should ask for their money back on the business studies at least...ranked 83 out of 122.
Where do you get the weather bit from? I've tried to find hard data but with little success.
What little information I have found suggests that forecasting has improved but not by a huge amount, and only fairly recently.
Would appreciate a citation if you have one.
Thanks.
Mere personal observation. I look at all of: bbc, met office, netweather.
In that case I can beat you!
Nate Silver covered the topic quite extensively in his book The Signal Not The Noise. I no longer have my copy but recall him stating that forecasts have improved a lot in recent years and the best were now about 78% accurate.
That sounds ok until it is pointed out that if one predicts each day that it will not rain, you will be right about 70% of the time. So the whole meteorological biz seems to give you an uplift of around 8%.
I actually thought that if you say that the weather willbe the same tomorrow as it is today you would be right 70% of the time.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
What does how long would Boris last have to do with the opposition voting for a general election?
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
They should ask for their money back on the business studies at least...ranked 83 out of 122.
I suspect they don't pay the market rate and it's already far cheaper than the other options.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
People see what they want to see. Usually it's stuff that helps them to feel better about themselves and avoids hard questions about their own responsibility for how their life has turned out, amply aided by the tabloid press who is always on hand to point the finger of blame elsewhere (except at the rich, who are actually partially responsible, obvs).
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
What dont people understand about the phrase" he cant unilaterally call an election" under the FTPA.. It has been discussed enough on here.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
What does how long would Boris last have to do with the opposition voting for a general election?
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
The house passes a motion on extending. Boris refuses to implement it. What’s the house going to do?
The unfortunate fact is that there is always going to be people in socioeconomic groups D and E with low levels of ability, skills and education. And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it. Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
I sometimes wonder if the problem isn`t really at the other end - the directors and managers, who sometimes seem to have no idea how to get on with people, even to get the best out of them. The scruffy Cummings seems to be of their number, but so do many of the Tory elitists.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
What does how long would Boris last have to do with the opposition voting for a general election?
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
The house passes a motion on extending. Boris refuses to implement it. What’s the house going to do?
The Remainers are taking a knife to a gun fight. They may have the Twittersphere with them. But they haven't got the wider public onside.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
But he is also stuffed even in the event that he gets the 2/3 maj..that in those circumstances the Brexit party willnstand their candidates. Then BJ falls
Where do you get the weather bit from? I've tried to find hard data but with little success.
What little information I have found suggests that forecasting has improved but not by a huge amount, and only fairly recently.
Would appreciate a citation if you have one.
Thanks.
Mere personal observation. I look at all of: bbc, met office, netweather.
In that case I can beat you!
Nate Silver covered the topic quite extensively in his book The Signal Not The Noise. I no longer have my copy but recall him stating that forecasts have improved a lot in recent years and the best were now about 78% accurate.
That sounds ok until it is pointed out that if one predicts each day that it will not rain, you will be right about 70% of the time. So the whole meteorological biz seems to give you an uplift of around 8%.
I actually thought that if you say that the weather willbe the same tomorrow as it is today you would be right 70% of the time.
Possibly, and I think it's fairly easy to improve a bit on 70% if you just apply a bit of common sense and judgement. Looking out of the window occasionally helps - something that apparently isn't always done by professional forecasters.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
I think it's still possible that his plan is to come up with some kind of cosmetic changes that he can present as a new deal in October. According to everything that we've been told previously, that would require an extension to allow time for the necessary legislation. In that case the Commons might approve the extension but vote down the "new deal." And Johnson would lose the support of the loony Brexiteers.
Or could he try to cobble together the necessary legislation without an extension?
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
The unfortunate fact is that there is always going to be people in socioeconomic groups D and E with low levels of ability, skills and education.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
Unemployment is far higher in many European countries than it is here which suggests no shortage of the unproductive and uneducated.
But there are other European countries, Germany most obviously, where the education and technical training seems to produce better results than it does here and that has been a problem for generations.
As to the variety of immigrants a walk through a South Yorkshire town centre or supermarket will show that we have some of the 'sitting on their arse smoking tabs' variety.
My experience of walking through Sheffield is that this is one area of activity where the locals are more than holding their own.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
I think you are totally wrong there. I have business in Lancaster from time to time and always stay in a nice bnb in Morecombe. That's a town that has seen better days, but it remains attractive because public money has been spent on the seafront. So visitors, even fleeting ones like me, still turn up and spend money. If it went to wrack and ruin I'd find somewhere else to spend my travelling expenses.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
What does how long would Boris last have to do with the opposition voting for a general election?
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
The house passes a motion on extending. Boris refuses to implement it. What’s the house going to do?
It won't be a motion extending. It will be an Act of Parliament.
If worded tightly enough, it means Johnson would have to break the law in order to avoid an extension. I understand there are usually consequences for breaking the law.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Boris doesn't have the moral authority for No Deal as all Leave campaigning groups ruled out No Deal...
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
I have been talking about the North East but you are right, Middlesbrough is really in Teeside.
Teeside is something like the 15th biggest metro in the UK, but the university struggles to rank among the country’s top 100. Which is pathetic really.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
The affluent areas get the affluent immigrants and the deprived areas get the deprived immigrants.
I've been saying that for years.
The group which loses out most is the UK's working poor and the group which gains most is the UK's non-working rich.
Johnson should go for the early election option in my opinion. It'll make the other parties look less keen on democracy than they claim if they refuse it.
I think it is nailed on. He has no majority and it is clear that parliament are going to try and find a way to block everything, from no-deal to legislation required to move forward.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
But an election isn't in Boris's control - he needs to get Parliament to agree to one and their ideal conditions for an election are the exact opposite of his.
So he sits tight until they VONC him. How long do you think he’d last if he agreed to an extension beyond Oct 31?
What does how long would Boris last have to do with the opposition voting for a general election?
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
The house passes a motion on extending. Boris refuses to implement it. What’s the house going to do?
It won't be a motion extending. It will be an Act of Parliament.
If worded tightly enough, it means Johnson would have to break the law in order to avoid an extension. I understand there are usually consequences for breaking the law.
The immediate option open to the house is to VONC. Meanwhile Boris will be all over the TV saying “look how they’re trying to sabotage getting a deal” and “ Ill ask for an extension if they drop the backstop”.
SCOTTISH civil servants are furious after Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay ruled they would no longer go to meetings in Brussels from next week to discuss fishing, agriculture and other devolved issues, The National has learnt.
Barclay made the decision without consulting or informing the Scottish Government, leaving its officials learning of the development through press reports, according to Edinburgh insiders.
Well the SNP did go for a no deal devolution- a nice taste of their own medicine.
Eh? It's by definition impossible to have no deal devolution.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
The affluent areas get the affluent immigrants and the deprived areas get the deprived immigrants.
I've been saying that for years.
The group which loses out most is the UK's working poor and the group which gains most is the UK's non-working rich.
It's an interesting view. Who do you class as the UK's non-working rich?
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Boris doesn't have the moral authority for No Deal as all Leave campaigning groups ruled out No Deal...
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Boris doesn't have the moral authority for No Deal as all Leave campaigning groups ruled out No Deal...
But the only thing the house HAS voted FOR is the Brady amendment - WA minus backstop - which is what he’s asking the EU for.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Boris doesn't have the moral authority for No Deal as all Leave campaigning groups ruled out No Deal...
He will, when it comes down to "us" or "them"....
He doesn't at the moment. And if he pulls an Us vs Them election he better have the bottomless money tree available - as it will need to be far bigger than the current offers.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Johnson and the Brexiteers didn't act on the referendum. May got a deal (mainly during the period when Mr Johnson was Foreign Secretary) and they turned their noses up at it. Boles and Clarke both offered alternative routes, and again they voted it down.
Sick and tired of disingenuous and petulant Brexiteers wailing and screaming that they've not had their din-dins when in fact they threw every plate of food they were offered onto the floor.
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
I don't get where this idea comes from that there is something inherently wrong with the NE that means it's not fit for the globalised world. Why does nobody say that about wealthy areas in the south where people all work in services jobs? It's not a question of natural resources after all, just skills, infrastructure and cultural value. If we do something about the first two, the third will follow.
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
They pass a motion asking the govt to extend. The govt refuses. Their only remaining option is to VONC the government. Unless they have a PM who can command the house GE Oct 31.
The Government refuses to act on a motion passed by the House? Wow!
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
The House refuses to act on a referendum passed by the voters.
Boris has the moral authority.
Boris doesn't have the moral authority for No Deal as all Leave campaigning groups ruled out No Deal...
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
Can I just ask something here? I've seen this again.
Where is this unilateral EU extension idea coming from?
Are people seriously suggesting the EU could give us an extension without the UK either asking for, or accepting an extension?
How do you think that would work? How do you think that would look?
(On 31st October) UK:........ (internal messing around, perhaps in GE mode, whatever) EU: Of course. Till, say, 31st March 2020 okay? Right. That's that then. Sorted. UK: Hang on, we are leaving.... we didn't ask for an extension. EU: Yep, no worries. Five more months of this to sort yourselves out. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.
The charge made by Leavers that the EU had taken our sovereignty wouldn't just be some sort of dismissable charge anymore. It'd be 100% correct. LEAVE would be on 70% by the end of the day.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
I think you are totally wrong there. I have business in Lancaster from time to time and always stay in a nice bnb in Morecombe. That's a town that has seen better days, but it remains attractive because public money has been spent on the seafront. So visitors, even fleeting ones like me, still turn up and spend money. If it went to wrack and ruin I'd find somewhere else to spend my travelling expenses.
I'm not saying that shouldn't have happened. But you allude to the fact yourself that it is keeping the wolf from the door rather than regenerating the local economy.
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
I don't get where this idea comes from that there is something inherently wrong with the NE that means it's not fit for the globalised world. Why does nobody say that about wealthy areas in the south where people all work in services jobs? It's not a question of natural resources after all, just skills, infrastructure and cultural value. If we do something about the first two, the third will follow.
The short term issue is that as you train people up, they head South for more money never to return.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
The affluent areas get the affluent immigrants and the deprived areas get the deprived immigrants.
I've been saying that for years.
The group which loses out most is the UK's working poor and the group which gains most is the UK's non-working rich.
It's an interesting view. Who do you class as the UK's non-working rich?
People who are rich and do not work
People who's income comes predominantly from ownership rather than labour.
Richer pensioners, multiple property owners, the executive oligarchy.
In general people who benefit from having downward pressure on pay rates and upward pressure on house prices.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
Conversion of town centres for residential use.
Agreed. I have a lot to say on this.
They recently started building a rather lovely new residential skyscraper in Newcastle City Centre with no car parking provision! It’s insane.
We need medium density with proper underground car parking otherwise it’s pointless. They’ve known this in Europe for 100 years.
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
They should ask for their money back on the business studies at least...ranked 83 out of 122.
It's good at a few niche subjects like computer aided animation and more practical things like social work iirc
So bloody obvious, I’ve been saying this ever since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
But how do they force it? Boris Just has to sit on his hands and wait until they VONC him. Then the date is in his gift. He’s never going to agree an extension.
Control of the Order Paper? They have time, even if the EU doesn't unilaterally extend.
Can I just ask something here? I've seen this again.
Where is this unilateral EU extension idea coming from?
Are people seriously suggesting the EU could give us an extension without the UK either asking for, or accepting an extension?
How do you think that would work? How do you think that would look?
(On 31st October) UK:........ (internal messing around, perhaps in GE mode, whatever) EU: Of course. Till, say, 31st March 2020 okay? Right. That's that then. Sorted. UK: Hang on, we are leaving.... we didn't ask for an extension. EU: Yep, no worries. Five more months of this to sort yourselves out. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.
The charge made by Leavers that the EU had taken our sovereignty wouldn't just be some sort of dismissable charge anymore. It'd be 100% correct. LEAVE would be on 70% by the end of the day.
I think it is far from given that Macron agrees again. He had to be calmed down and convinced last time not to go nuclear.
There was also a suggestion on Sky News this morning that even if given, the UK government could choose veto their own extension.
Historically, a lot of these post industrial towns would have become ghost towns, unless they reinvented themselves with new industries.
The combination of low value jobs, welfare dependency, obesity, smoking and drugs is why Hartlepool and similar towns have reducing prospects and life expectancy.
And being a high paying country with a non-contributory welfare system means we are importing even more such people.
I don't think either part of that is correct. There are many other countries in Europe with a far shorter tail of the unproductive and uneducated. The reasons why we are different are I suspect complex and tied into our history of industrialisation and deindustrialization, both of which were particularly brutal. I imagine with some effort we could do something about it.
Also, I believe that the data tell us we are disproportionately importing the young, educated and productive from Europe. The kind of people who would be sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs are probably still sitting on their arse in their equivalent of Hartlepool smoking tabs.
We are (were) incredibly lucky to import the most educated and hardest working Europeans and, indeed, what a contrast to our own underclass where, as you note, Britain as a very long tail.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
The affluent areas get the affluent immigrants and the deprived areas get the deprived immigrants.
I've been saying that for years.
The group which loses out most is the UK's working poor and the group which gains most is the UK's non-working rich.
It's an interesting view. Who do you class as the UK's non-working rich?
People who are rich and do not work
People who's income comes predominantly from ownership rather than labour.
Richer pensioners, multiple property owners, the executive oligarchy.
In general people who benefit from having downward pressure on pay rates and upward pressure on house prices.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
Conversion of town centres for residential use.
Agreed. I have a lot to say on this.
They recently started building a rather lovely new residential skyscraper in Newcastle City Centre with no car parking provision! It’s insane.
We need medium density with proper underground car parking otherwise it’s pointless. They’ve known this in Europe for 100 years.
Sounds like an attempt to try to force people to use public transport.
If the house forces Boris to ask for an extension he can ask for one for an hour and the EU paying us £39Bn.
I am guessing on that front that the house will pass a law that is more watertight than that. However, I am sure that it will be poured over for what unreasonable demand opportunity they might have missed covering.
Ironically Teesside University is one of its better current exports.
That's not saying much as it is ranked as one of the worst uni's in the country, albeit still higher than Sunderland.
It’s good enough for the huge, american conglomerate that I work for to use it for both engineering and business studies/management degrees. It also has a reasonably big International Student population.
I have been talking about the North East but you are right, Middlesbrough is really in Teeside.
Teeside is something like the 15th biggest metro in the UK, but the university struggles to rank among the country’s top 100. Which is pathetic really.
You might argue Middlesbrough and Redcar are in Yorkshire, but the North of Teesside is in the North East.
Hartlepool IS reinventing itself. It just takes a long time and a lot of people suffer.
The regeneration around the marina is lovely.
Improved public spaces are great, but they don't often herald a big change in economic fortunes.
Quite right. At worst it’s displacement activity.
But local authorities don’t have the power to do much. The very least they should do is to make sure their public spaces are attractive, welcoming guests and safe. Most local authorities even fail at that.
Councils seem to do a lot of nice and expensive hard landscaping against a background of empty shops. Putting the cart before the horse it seems to me. Prosperous towns result in public improvements. The opposite is not the case. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Almost all of the regeneration is privately funded. Its not paid for by councils.
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Well that's great. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people shouldn't have nice public areas. I merely say two things.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
Conversion of town centres for residential use.
Agreed. I have a lot to say on this.
They recently started building a rather lovely new residential skyscraper in Newcastle City Centre with no car parking provision! It’s insane.
We need medium density with proper underground car parking otherwise it’s pointless. They’ve known this in Europe for 100 years.
Sounds like an attempt to try to force people to use public transport.
Of course. But most of the high paying jobs (and this is high end residential) in Newcastle are not in the city centre or accessible easily by public transport. They are in out of town business parks.
The immediate option open to the house is to VONC. Meanwhile Boris will be all over the TV saying “look how they’re trying to sabotage getting a deal” and “ Ill ask for an extension if they drop the backstop”.
VONC will only occur in the event that the legislative route fails, i.e. when Parliament returns in October.
There are very good reasons for this:
1) The fact that the the prorogation cuts short the 14 day period for forming an alternative government. If they fail in those 5 days then Johnson chooses the election date (likely post-Brexit, so not worth the risk)
2) Conservative rebels are understandably more open to defying the party whip than they are voting down their own government - so legislation is easier to pass (even with the latest threats of deselection)
3) There is still time for a VONC in October if needed - and it will be clear that there's no alternative to stop no deal by that point and so a caretaker government (Corbyn or otherwise) is more likely to be agreed
I agree that the politics of this generally works in Johnson's favour in terms of coalescing the Brexit vote to his party, and he'll spin any extension as being forced on him by a "Remoaner Parliament". So he may well lose the battle but win the war. But if the Conservatives win a majority on a no deal manifesto, then so be it - they will also own the consequences.
Not at all, Thompson just making the sensible point the main 3 separate pro Union parties should fight general elections not 1single pro Union one, just as the main pro Remain and anti hard Brexit parties will fight the next general election separately not a 1 pro Remain party
"It's a coastal town they forgot to close down," as Morrissey said/sang.
Hartlepool is screwed, under pretty much any economic dispensation outside full-bodied Communism, and probably even then.
It has no reason to exist anymore; and like many towns in the UK it is simply propped up via social spending to support a lumpen proletariat.
As unlikely as it sounds, It should concentrate on being a commuter resort for Newcastle, which is where real productivity may feasibly be developed.
Brexit fucks even that idea, given the outsized hit expected to the North East economy.
When I was walking around Redcar last Friday night I really was thinking on the 45 minute drive home what on earth you could do there.
I have a slight personal obsession with economic geography.
There seems almost a conspiracy to keep much of Britain poor, due to a toxic combination of gross over centralisation, short-term thinking, knee-jerk provincialism, and lazy, antiquated thinking from the 1980s.
Neither left nor right have a fucking clue what to do about the DOZENS of Hartlepools around the country.
It’s a miserable waste of human capital, ie people’s LIVES.
I don't get where this idea comes from that there is something inherently wrong with the NE that means it's not fit for the globalised world. Why does nobody say that about wealthy areas in the south where people all work in services jobs? It's not a question of natural resources after all, just skills, infrastructure and cultural value. If we do something about the first two, the third will follow.
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a VonC can and probably will wait until October when time pressures means a suitable GONU leader would be found very quickly to get an extension.
Unfortunately I am not sure the opposition is that wise.
1) ensure the tories dont get a majority and we avoid no deal, work with other parties after an election (Thornberry, Starmer wing)
2) maximise the chance of a Labour majority, even if the chance of the majority is very low and at the likely cost of no deal and a Tory majority (Corbyn and momentum)
1 is the obvious choice given the current polling but little about UK politics has been obvious in the last decade and Corbyn is particularly stubborn.
In any GE, it is clear they aren't going for the Blair / Cameron big tent approach, rather to get the Brexit vote which will give them 35-40%, while assuming that the anti-Brexit vote is split between all the other parties.
But we’re not actually even doing that. We’re just leaving it to rot.
But there are other European countries, Germany most obviously, where the education and technical training seems to produce better results than it does here and that has been a problem for generations.
As to the variety of immigrants a walk through a South Yorkshire town centre or supermarket will show that we have some of the 'sitting on their arse smoking tabs' variety.
I think the selling point is clear. Unlike the narrative over May's early GE, which was I want a big majority and I am not willing to really campaign (plus absolute stinker policies).
Team Boris pitch will be Brexit will never happen unless, which the aim of capturing the pro-Brexit supporters with assumption anti-Brexit will split among all the other parties.
If it will work or not is another matter.
However I guess if you are a member of said underclass, you don’t see that, you see the gypsies setting up encampment in the local park, and the troubling preponderance of underage sex rings down the local taxi rank.
Unique track lots of passing
For example, Tesco pretty much paid for the redevelopment of the entirety of Gateshead Town Centre.
Nate Silver covered the topic quite extensively in his book The Signal Not The Noise. I no longer have my copy but recall him stating that forecasts have improved a lot in recent years and the best were now about 78% accurate.
That sounds ok until it is pointed out that if one predicts each day that it will not rain, you will be right about 70% of the time. So the whole meteorological biz seems to give you an uplift of around 8%.
Despite gross inequalities across regions.
Then we wonder why attachment to the Union is weakening.
No 'productive youngster' would choose that route if they had a genuine alternative of productive employment - living on welfare is pretty crap.
I see it all the time nowadays when looking at local primary schools...
In a deprived part of Middlesbrough or in a nice new housing development along the A1 ?
And its no use telling the people who do live in the deprived parts of Middlesbrough to commute to Newcastle or Durham because they don't have the skillset to get the good jobs while the lower paid jobs don't pay enough to make the commute worthwhile.
Our towns and specifically our high streets need a big rethink. Rents must somehow come down, business models must change, fashionable ideas about cars and parking should be jettisoned.
Secondly that large scale regeneration projects should, if they can, be sufficiently remarkable/unusual that they themselves can disrupt existing patterns of visitor behaviour and spend.
Is this how A Very British Coup begins?
Lab will in those circumstances abstain.
Heck Boris going and JRM or another nutjob becoming Tory leader would do the opposition wonders...
It has been discussed enough on here.
https://twitter.com/MatthewdAncona/status/1168083079807852544?s=20
And business rates need to be abolished.
Or could he try to cobble together the necessary legislation without an extension?
LOL @ the hypocrites
Boris has the moral authority.
If worded tightly enough, it means Johnson would have to break the law in order to avoid an extension. I understand there are usually consequences for breaking the law.
Teeside is something like the 15th biggest metro in the UK, but the university struggles to rank among the country’s top 100. Which is pathetic really.
I've been saying that for years.
The group which loses out most is the UK's working poor and the group which gains most is the UK's non-working rich.
To what purpose does the house want to extend?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1168099928939388928?s=20
It's a GONAD (Government Of NAtional Disunity).
Sick and tired of disingenuous and petulant Brexiteers wailing and screaming that they've not had their din-dins when in fact they threw every plate of food they were offered onto the floor.
and no Moral Authority for No Deal
The former will never change
Where is this unilateral EU extension idea coming from?
Are people seriously suggesting the EU could give us an extension without the UK either asking for, or accepting an extension?
How do you think that would work? How do you think that would look?
(On 31st October)
UK:........ (internal messing around, perhaps in GE mode, whatever)
EU: Of course. Till, say, 31st March 2020 okay? Right. That's that then. Sorted.
UK: Hang on, we are leaving.... we didn't ask for an extension.
EU: Yep, no worries. Five more months of this to sort yourselves out. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.
The charge made by Leavers that the EU had taken our sovereignty wouldn't just be some sort of dismissable charge anymore. It'd be 100% correct. LEAVE would be on 70% by the end of the day.
People who's income comes predominantly from ownership rather than labour.
Richer pensioners, multiple property owners, the executive oligarchy.
In general people who benefit from having downward pressure on pay rates and upward pressure on house prices.
They recently started building a rather lovely new residential skyscraper in Newcastle City Centre with no car parking provision! It’s insane.
We need medium density with proper underground car parking otherwise it’s pointless. They’ve known this in Europe for 100 years.
#ToryCivilWar
https://twitter.com/RobertTyreBute/status/1168102419290578945?s=20
There was also a suggestion on Sky News this morning that even if given, the UK government could choose veto their own extension.
There are very good reasons for this:
1) The fact that the the prorogation cuts short the 14 day period for forming an alternative government. If they fail in those 5 days then Johnson chooses the election date (likely post-Brexit, so not worth the risk)
2) Conservative rebels are understandably more open to defying the party whip than they are voting down their own government - so legislation is easier to pass (even with the latest threats of deselection)
3) There is still time for a VONC in October if needed - and it will be clear that there's no alternative to stop no deal by that point and so a caretaker government (Corbyn or otherwise) is more likely to be agreed
I agree that the politics of this generally works in Johnson's favour in terms of coalescing the Brexit vote to his party, and he'll spin any extension as being forced on him by a "Remoaner Parliament". So he may well lose the battle but win the war. But if the Conservatives win a majority on a no deal manifesto, then so be it - they will also own the consequences.
Its all the fault of James Bolam and Jimmy Nail.
Or Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais.