As @NickPalmer has rightly pointed out, your approach is Trotskyist. And no Brit would want to visit such destruction on their own country.
I don't believe you are British. Good choice of British-sounding posting name though.
Ha! I've been here for well over a decade now.
I don't believe there will be destruction I believe there will be compromise. There will only be compromise though if it is necessary.
You are playing with fire in a way that no actual Brit ever would.
Silly expression. Fire is fun to play with. Setting fires is the best part of camping.
Hmm that's as maybe but give a child a box of matches and a can of petrol and the fun might diminish somewhat.
At least you are not disagreeing with my comment.
I think some fire is necessary to find a solution yes.
I disagree with fire being bad and I disagree with the idea no Brit would support it. Controlled burn backs are better than wildfires.
A solution is easily available but until both sides have 'a fire in their belly' to reach one it won't be found. Necessity is the mother of invention.
There will be no return to the Troubles. There will be a compromise found instead but it will only be found after we exit without a backstop and has to be found.
A lot of crossed fingers and wishful thinking in there
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
NI voted to Remain, remember?
Antrim voted Leave
And? Antrim is just one county. Are you proposing re-partition? Will the Nationalist parts of Antrim (eg. The Glens) be allowed to opt out?
If nationalists in Scotland and Catholic parts of Northern Ireland can threaten to leave the UK because of a referendum result so can Protestant parts of Northern Ireland refuse to become parts of the Republic of Ireland because of a referendum result
Does that mean me and 16 million other Remain voters can just refuse to the leave the EU? Brilliant! I think we have found a solution to Brexit!
London remaining in the EU would be a practical option.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
NI voted to Remain, remember?
Antrim voted Leave
And? Antrim is just one county. Are you proposing re-partition? Will the Nationalist parts of Antrim (eg. The Glens) be allowed to opt out?
If nationalists in Scotland and Catholic parts of Northern Ireland can threaten to leave the UK because of a referendum result so can Protestant parts of Northern Ireland refuse to become parts of the Republic of Ireland because of a referendum result
Does that mean me and 16 million other Remain voters can just refuse to the leave the EU? Brilliant! I think we have found a solution to Brexit!
London remaining in the EU would be a practical option.
We'd need a Remain corridor to the Free State of Manchester.
Most likely scenario must be Johnson calling an election immediately. He now has the poll which tells him he'll win comfotably against Corbyn even if he offers a no deal. He's then got his job for five years and his ambition is served.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
NI voted to Remain, remember?
Antrim voted Leave
And? Antrim is just one county. Are you proposing re-partition? Will the Nationalist parts of Antrim (eg. The Glens) be allowed to opt out?
If nationalists in Scotland and Catholic parts of Northern Ireland can threaten to leave the UK because of a referendum result so can Protestant parts of Northern Ireland refuse to become parts of the Republic of Ireland because of a referendum result
Does that mean me and 16 million other Remain voters can just refuse to the leave the EU? Brilliant! I think we have found a solution to Brexit!
London remaining in the EU would be a practical option.
We'd need a Remain corridor to the Free State of Manchester.
Greater Manchester is Leave.
An M4 corridor to Bristol and Cardiff is what you should be asking for.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Just as well the BoE acted to stave off such a scenario.
In which case the BoE can stave off every future recession by cutting interest rates by 0.25% can't it.
It was a specific event rather than an accumulation over time or part of be cycle cf the Fed and black Monday.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
I’d remind you Leavers have actually murdered one MP and attempted to murder another one.
As @NickPalmer has rightly pointed out, your approach is Trotskyist. And no Brit would want to visit such destruction on their own country.
I don't believe you are British. Good choice of British-sounding posting name though.
Ha! I've been here for well over a decade now.
I don't believe there will be destruction I believe there will be compromise. There will only be compromise though if it is necessary.
You are playing with fire in a way that no actual Brit ever would.
Silly expression. Fire is fun to play with. Setting fires is the best part of camping.
Hmm that's as maybe but give a child a box of matches and a can of petrol and the fun might diminish somewhat.
At least you are not disagreeing with my comment.
I think some fire is necessary to find a solution yes.
I disagree with fire being bad and I disagree with the idea no Brit would support it. Controlled burn backs are better than wildfires.
A solution is easily available but until both sides have 'a fire in their belly' to reach one it won't be found. Necessity is the mother of invention.
There will be no return to the Troubles. There will be a compromise found instead but it will only be found after we exit without a backstop and has to be found.
I genuinely think your belief that politicians who have shown they know absolutely nothing about how the EU works, how aligned and integrated the UK economy is with the European one, and the realpolitik of trade deals - while believing Donald Trump is a genuine friend of the UK - can be trusted with a box full of matches and a can of petrol is rather sweet. You're a young man, aren't you?
The Sunday Times report describes the documents as "compiled this month". So not only have we got mad accusations of treachery, we have obviously false mad accusations of treachery.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
TUD, yes bedfellows of unionists like Carlotta who like to bump their gums and slag off people who support independence but happy to be part of a zenophobic unionist cabal who associate with people like that and worse, you just have to admire the unionists chutzpah.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
NI voted to Remain, remember?
Antrim voted Leave
And? Antrim is just one county. Are you proposing re-partition? Will the Nationalist parts of Antrim (eg. The Glens) be allowed to opt out?
If nationalists in Scotland and Catholic parts of Northern Ireland can threaten to leave the UK because of a referendum result so can Protestant parts of Northern Ireland refuse to become parts of the Republic of Ireland because of a referendum result
Does that mean me and 16 million other Remain voters can just refuse to the leave the EU? Brilliant! I think we have found a solution to Brexit!
London remaining in the EU would be a practical option.
We'd need a Remain corridor to the Free State of Manchester.
You'd need water, electricity and food first....
That would be a shocking introduction for the Westminster bubble on how negotiating works!
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
TUD, yes bedfellows of unionists like Carlotta who like to bump their gums and slag off people who support independence but happy to be part of a zenophobic unionist cabal who associate with people like that and worse, you just have to admire the unionists chutzpah.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
Oh Dear nutty has joined to support his fellow zenophobes. Compare with Donaldson being fitted up by a corrupt and scared London government , fearful he would have Scotland out on strike.
Compare and contrast
Footage of the Queen giving a fascist salute has revived theories that Britain’s blue bloods were in thrall to Hitler The country is bristling with new ideas and new methods… I have found fresh hope and renewed confidence.”
So wrote the Conservative MP Sir Arnold Wilson after one of the seven visits he paid to Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1937. Lord Mount Temple, who helped found the Anglo-German Fellowship, declared that Hitler had produced a “national reawakening”. A former minister, Lord Londonderry, called on Hitler and found him “a kindly man with a receding chin and an impressive face”.
The historian David Pryce-Jones considers this “the silliest sentence ever uttered about Hitler”. But that accolade was surely earned by Sir John Simon, foreign secretary from 1931 to 1935, who called Hitler “an Austrian Joan of Arc with a moustache”.
Even Winston Churchill wrote laudatory comments on Hitler in 1935. He and others were impressed by the dynamism of the Führer, his oratorical skill, and his capacity to mobilise a great national movement. Churchill soon changed his mind: one reason was his distaste for Hitler’s antisemitism.
The late historian Sir Martin Gilbert liked to tell the story of the occasion when the two warlords almost met. It was 1932 and Churchill, out of office, was visiting Germany.
He found himself in Munich and was approached by the Nazi leader’s Harvard-educated sidekick Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl, who offered to arrange a meeting with Hitler.
Churchill was willing but warned Hanfstaengl that he would take up the issue of antisemitism. “Tell your boss antisemitism may be a good starter but it is a bad stayer,” he said. The meeting never took place.
A claque of reactionary dukes took longer to perceive the Führer’s true colours. The Duke of Westminster, possibly the wealthiest man in Britain in the 1930s, blamed communists and Jews for stirring up trouble between Britain and Germany. He named his dog “Jew”.
The Duke of Buccleuch, who held the honorific position of Lord Steward of the Royal Household, travelled to Germany in April 1939 to join in celebrations of Hitler’s 50th birthday.
The Sunday Times report describes the documents as "compiled this month". So not only have we got mad accusations of treachery, we have obviously false mad accusations of treachery.
If we take Gove at his word, though, he is telling us everything will be fine - and if it isn't it will be because the government did not get its planning right.
Oh Dear nutty has joined to support his fellow zenophobes. Compare with Donaldson being fitted up by a corrupt and scared London government , fearful he would have Scotland out on strike.
Compare and contrast
Footage of the Queen giving a fascist salute has revived theories that Britain’s blue bloods were in thrall to Hitler The country is bristling with new ideas and new methods… I have found fresh hope and renewed confidence.”
So wrote the Conservative MP Sir Arnold Wilson after one of the seven visits he paid to Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1937. Lord Mount Temple, who helped found the Anglo-German Fellowship, declared that Hitler had produced a “national reawakening”. A former minister, Lord Londonderry, called on Hitler and found him “a kindly man with a receding chin and an impressive face”.
The historian David Pryce-Jones considers this “the silliest sentence ever uttered about Hitler”. But that accolade was surely earned by Sir John Simon, foreign secretary from 1931 to 1935, who called Hitler “an Austrian Joan of Arc with a moustache”.
Even Winston Churchill wrote laudatory comments on Hitler in 1935. He and others were impressed by the dynamism of the Führer, his oratorical skill, and his capacity to mobilise a great national movement. Churchill soon changed his mind: one reason was his distaste for Hitler’s antisemitism.
The late historian Sir Martin Gilbert liked to tell the story of the occasion when the two warlords almost met. It was 1932 and Churchill, out of office, was visiting Germany.
He found himself in Munich and was approached by the Nazi leader’s Harvard-educated sidekick Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl, who offered to arrange a meeting with Hitler.
Churchill was willing but warned Hanfstaengl that he would take up the issue of antisemitism. “Tell your boss antisemitism may be a good starter but it is a bad stayer,” he said. The meeting never took place.
A claque of reactionary dukes took longer to perceive the Führer’s true colours. The Duke of Westminster, possibly the wealthiest man in Britain in the 1930s, blamed communists and Jews for stirring up trouble between Britain and Germany. He named his dog “Jew”.
The Duke of Buccleuch, who held the honorific position of Lord Steward of the Royal Household, travelled to Germany in April 1939 to join in celebrations of Hitler’s 50th birthday.
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
We didn't have the full franchise for an election as recently as 1918 - so our democracy isn't centuries old.
How stupid will Gove look if Operation Black Swan leaks?
So what steps has the government taken - or could it take - to deal with the data protection issues described in this document?
Unsexy they may be but they are vital to a lot of business. And as I read the government’s base scenario, there are no effective steps which can be taken.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone.
Nats. Nazi. Cough.....
Oh Dear nutty has joined to support his fellow zenophobes. Compare these Tories with Donaldson being fitted up by a corrupt and scared London government , fearful he would have Scotland out on strike.
Compare and contrast
Footage of the Queen giving a fascist salute has revived theories that Britain’s blue bloods were in thrall to Hitler The country is bristling with new ideas and new methods… I have found fresh hope and renewed confidence.”
So wrote the Conservative MP Sir Arnold Wilson after one of the seven visits he paid to Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1937. Lord Mount Temple, who helped found the Anglo-German Fellowship, declared that Hitler had produced a “national reawakening”. A former minister, Lord Londonderry, called on Hitler and found him “a kindly man with a receding chin and an impressive face”.
The historian David Pryce-Jones considers this “the silliest sentence ever uttered about Hitler”. But that accolade was surely earned by Sir John Simon, foreign secretary from 1931 to 1935, who called Hitler “an Austrian Joan of Arc with a moustache”.
Even Winston Churchill wrote laudatory comments on Hitler in 1935. He and others were impressed by the dynamism of the Führer, his oratorical skill, and his capacity to mobilise a great national movement. Churchill soon changed his mind: one reason was his distaste for Hitler’s antisemitism.
The late historian Sir Martin Gilbert liked to tell the story of the occasion when the two warlords almost met. It was 1932 and Churchill, out of office, was visiting Germany.
He found himself in Munich and was approached by the Nazi leader’s Harvard-educated sidekick Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl, who offered to arrange a meeting with Hitler.
Churchill was willing but warned Hanfstaengl that he would take up the issue of antisemitism. “Tell your boss antisemitism may be a good starter but it is a bad stayer,” he said. The meeting never took place.
A claque of reactionary dukes took longer to perceive the Führer’s true colours. The Duke of Westminster, possibly the wealthiest man in Britain in the 1930s, blamed communists and Jews for stirring up trouble between Britain and Germany. He named his dog “Jew”.
The Duke of Buccleuch, who held the honorific position of Lord Steward of the Royal Household, travelled to Germany in April 1939 to join in celebrations of Hitler’s 50th birthday.
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
I'm not "darkly mentioning" anything. I think it is a pretty nailed on certainty that if we No Deal, then at some point in the future there will be a public inquiry.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
Surprise surprise - the Australians sent out a concussed batsman. Their doctor should be getting the sack. As if we needed confirmation after he came out swinging like a drunk sailor. No way he can play the next game within 3 days, so with a clear weather forecast England will have a much better chance!
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
A hard border won't be imposed though it will be the default state for failure to reach an agreement. Once an agreement is reached it will go away.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
As I would expect I see you support the unionist Nazis
Nice to see the Nats “rise above it” in their usual “Civic Nationalism” style......
I see you don't deny it, tip - when you live in a glass house do not throw the first stone. Your poor attempt to traduce me says it all yet again. The xenophobic unionist You are well personified by that picture even if it is not you it certainly portrays your persona very accurately.
C'mon malc, you've got to admire Unionists' heroic attempts to avert their eyes from their fellow travellers (UKIP, NF, BNP, Farage, Coburn, Britain First, Griffin etc). There was even an old Better Together favourite out yesterday, Aberdeen's best known National Front rep.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
The Treasury predicted an immediate four quarter recession AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
So it didn't 'broadly turn out'.
GDP increased, unemployment fell, house prices rose, government borrowing reduced.
Yes because the BoE took action.
In which case the BoE can avert all possible recessions in the future by cutting interest rates by 0.25%.
Well done on this economic discovery you have made - you deserve a nomination for the Noble prize.
A question though - if a 0.25% interest rate cut can avert a recession why didn't increasing interest rates twice by 0.25% since then cause a recession ?
That's not even the most inappropriate post this week, let alone in the 4 months you've been around.
I'm sure there must be a site for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
I've been an daily reader from the early days of the site.
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
A hard border won't be imposed though it will be the default state for failure to reach an agreement. Once an agreement is reached it will go away.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
You don't get to 58% backing for the backstop in Northern Ireland without significant unionist support for it.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The wth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
The Treasury predicted an immediate four quarter recession AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
So it didn't 'broadly turn out'.
GDP increased, unemployment fell, house prices rose, government borrowing reduced.
Yes because the BoE took action.
In which case the BoE can avert all possible recessions in the future by cutting interest rates by 0.25%.
Well done on this economic discovery you have made - you deserve a nomination for the Noble prize.
A question though - if a 0.25% interest rate cut can avert a recession why didn't increasing interest rates twice by 0.25% since then cause a recession ?
Dense doesn't begin to describe your view. There was a discrete event aside from the normal business cycle and the BoE made it known that it would stand ready to support the economy. Just as the Fed did with black Monday. It was not the quantum of the cut it was the attitude. Again, similarly to the Fed in 1987.
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
We didn't have the full franchise for an election as recently as 1918 - so our democracy isn't centuries old.
Wasn't 1929 the first GE where women under 30 could vote ?
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
Relative to Remain.
I reckon turnout relative to (Treasury prediction) approximately as follows:
GDP -2% (-3.6%) CPI inflation rate (% points) +2.8 (+2.3) Unemployment rate (percentage points) 0 (+1.6) Average real wages -2.5% (-2.8%) House prices -5% (-10%) Sterling exchange rate index -15% (-12%) Public sector net borrowing +£5 billion (+£24 billion)
That's not even the most inappropriate post this week, let alone in the 4 months you've been around.
I'm sure there must be a site for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
I've been an daily reader from the early days of the site.
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
IMHO the Captain is right on this, even though I think he is rather the opposite of a leftie Remainer like me. We should all dial it down a bit - after all, it's REALLY UNLIKELY that anything we say here will make the slightest difference. I was slightly startled to see my Labour List idea apparently taken up by Corbyn, but otherwise have no illusions about my lack of influence, and I shouldn't think most of us are any different.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
NI voted to Remain, remember?
Antrim voted Leave
And? Antrim is just one county. Are you proposing re-partition? Will the Nationalist parts of Antrim (eg. The Glens) be allowed to opt out?
If nationalists in Scotland and Catholic parts of Northern Ireland can threaten to leave the UK because of a referendum result so can Protestant parts of Northern Ireland refuse to become parts of the Republic of Ireland because of a referendum result
Does that mean me and 16 million other Remain voters can just refuse to the leave the EU? Brilliant! I think we have found a solution to Brexit!
London remaining in the EU would be a practical option.
We'd need a Remain corridor to the Free State of Manchester.
In which case the BoE can avert all possible recessions in the future by cutting interest rates by 0.25%.
Well done on this economic discovery you have made - you deserve a nomination for the Noble prize.
A question though - if a 0.25% interest rate cut can avert a recession why didn't increasing interest rates twice by 0.25% since then cause a recession ?
Dense doesn't begin to describe your view. There was a discrete event aside from the normal business cycle and the BoE made it known that it would stand ready to support the economy. Just as the Fed did with black Monday. It was not the quantum of the cut it was the attitude. Again, similarly to the Fed in 1987.
And why didn't the Treasury predictuons take the BoE into account?
Why can't the BoE do the same on 1 November or before then?
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
That's not even the most inappropriate post this week, let alone in the 4 months you've been around.
I'm sure there must be a site for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
I've been an daily reader from the early days of the site.
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
IMHO the Captain is right on this, even though I think he is rather the opposite of a leftie Remainer like me. We should all dial it down a bit - after all, it's REALLY UNLIKELY that anything we say here will make the slightest difference. I was slightly startled to see my Labour List idea apparently taken up by Corbyn, but otherwise have no illusions about my lack of influence, and I shouldn't think most of us are any different.
Maybe I lead a sheltered online existence, but PB is by far the most extreme social media site that I visit. I'm in a few Fire Service and FBU groups on various platforms, and none of them seem to reach the level of vitriol and personal abuse that is now the norm on here, even when Brexit and Tories are discussed!. Many on here think PB is the kiddy when it comes to serious politics, but it's in danger of turning people off with it's mostly black and white views on Brexit-You're either a leaver or remainer, with nowhere in between. As I've commented many times, Brexit has turned you all crazy!
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
Relative to Remain.
I reckon turnout relative to (Treasury prediction) approximately as follows:
GDP -2% (-3.6%) CPI inflation rate (% points) +2.8 (+2.3) Unemployment rate (percentage points) 0 (+1.6) Average real wages -2.5% (-2.8%) House prices -5% (-10%) Sterling exchange rate index -15% (-12%) Public sector net borrowing +£5 billion (+£24 billion)
This is what actually happened: 2016q3 +0.5% 2016q4 +0.7% 2017q1 +0.4% 2017q2 +0.3% 2017q3 +0.5% 2017q4 +0.4% 2018q1 +0.1% 2018q2 +0.4%
So the Treasury predicted that following a Leave vote there would be an immediate four quarter recession with GDP change over the two years after a Leave vote being in the range +0.4% to -2.0%.
What actually happened was GDP growth of 3.3%.
+3.3% is not 'broadly' within a range of +0.4% to -2.0%.
And that's without mentioning the Treasury's other errors on unemployment, pay rises, house prices, consumption, investment, exports etc.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
That's not even the most inappropriate post this week, let alone in the 4 months you've been around.
I'm sure there must be a site for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
I've been an daily reader from the early days of the site.
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
IMHO the Captain is right on this, even though I think he is rather the opposite of a leftie Remainer like me. We should all dial it down a bit - after all, it's REALLY UNLIKELY that anything we say here will make the slightest difference. I was slightly startled to see my Labour List idea apparently taken up by Corbyn, but otherwise have no illusions about my lack of influence, and I shouldn't think most of us are any different.
Maybe I lead a sheltered online existence, but PB is by far the most extreme social media site that I visit. I'm in a few Fire Service and FBU groups on various platforms, and none of them seem to reach the level of vitriol and personal abuse that is now the norm on here, even when Brexit and Tories are discussed!. Many on here think PB is the kiddy when it comes to serious politics, but it's in danger of turning people off with it's mostly black and white views on Brexit-You're either a leaver or remainer, with nowhere in between. As I've commented many times, Brexit has turned you all crazy!
You lead a sheltered existence online! And I think there are many (even most?) posters who would accept/tolerate a compromise brexit whether soft Brexit or Mays deal. It is no deal and revoke that understandably produce the strong opinions.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
A hard border won't be imposed though it will be the default state for failure to reach an agreement. Once an agreement is reached it will go away.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.
That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
John Bercow is now available on Betfair's exchange.
I have put £2 down, simply because it is so utterly bonkers that it will probably happen!
That was my money laying you, I think. Feel free to invest more.
I get the feeling you're not convinced by my Bercow as next PM theory.
I'm not sure you're convinced by it either. But on the bright side, this whole market provides excellent betting opportunities. So far I've managed to lay Ken Clarke, Jo Swinson, Nigel Farage, Keir Starmer and John Bercow all at odds below 30 for next Prime Minister (usually well below), and I'm hoping to add to this tally with other equally exciting propositions.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
A hard border won't be imposed though it will be the default state for failure to reach an agreement. Once an agreement is reached it will go away.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.
That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
That's not even the most inappropriate post this week, let alone in the 4 months you've been around.
I'm sure there must be a site for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
I've been an daily reader from the early days of the site.
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
IMHO the Captain is right on this, even though I think he is rather the opposite of a leftie Remainer like me. We should all dial it down a bit - after all, it's REALLY UNLIKELY that anything we say here will make the slightest difference. I was slightly startled to see my Labour List idea apparently taken up by Corbyn, but otherwise have no illusions about my lack of influence, and I shouldn't think most of us are any different.
Maybe I lead a sheltered online existence, but PB is by far the most extreme social media site that I visit. I'm in a few Fire Service and FBU groups on various platforms, and none of them seem to reach the level of vitriol and personal abuse that is now the norm on here, even when Brexit and Tories are discussed!. Many on here think PB is the kiddy when it comes to serious politics, but it's in danger of turning people off with it's mostly black and white views on Brexit-You're either a leaver or remainer, with nowhere in between. As I've commented many times, Brexit has turned you all crazy!
You lead a sheltered existence online! And I think there are many (even most?) posters who would accept/tolerate a compromise brexit whether soft Brexit or Mays deal. It is no deal and revoke that understandably produce the strong opinions.
Indeed. I am Remainer, but can accept the result and leaving in a graceful, sensible fashion. EFTA would have been a good compromise. I think we will end up rejoining down the track.
But I cannot accept No Deal. It is economic suicide.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
John Bercow is now available on Betfair's exchange.
I have put £2 down, simply because it is so utterly bonkers that it will probably happen!
That was my money laying you, I think. Feel free to invest more.
I get the feeling you're not convinced by my Bercow as next PM theory.
I'm not sure you're convinced by it either. But on the bright side, this whole market provides excellent betting opportunities. So far I've managed to lay Ken Clarke, Jo Swinson, Nigel Farage, Keir Starmer and John Bercow all at odds below 30 for next Prime Minister (usually well below), and I'm hoping to add to this tally with other equally exciting propositions.
Yes I'm not convinced by it either but at 500/1 I'm tempted.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
The EU are not "our enemy".
For a lot of the English nationalist hard right, they are. And this is a central Brexit problem. It cannot be deemed a success for these looks (and by his words young Philip has revealed himself to be such) unless the EU is seen to be defeated.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
The EU are not "our enemy".
For as long as they insist upon the undemocratic backstop they absolutely are.
Though only 1 in 6 Unionists in Northern Ireland back the backstop in the same poll
NI's populace doesn't consist solely of Unionists...
Its largest county, Antrim, is still 2/3 Unionist
Really? The population of Northern Ireland support the backstop by nearly 3:2, but it's fine to ignore their wishes because 5 out of 6 people, who make up 2 out of 3 people in one part of NI are opposed?
I'm glad you aren't involved in drawing up constituency boundaries.
Yes absolutely. Because of the principles behind the Good Friday Agreement.
The principle is one of compromise and consensus between the communities not one community forcing their will upon the other.
The Irish are standing firm behind the nationalist community and ignoring the unionists. So I have no qualms supporting the unionists and ignoring the nationalists. When the communities can come together we can have compromise.
That won't happen until the crisis comes to the fore. We need to trigger a crisis on the border or we won't have any compromise.
So it's okay to impose a hard border on one community, but not okay to impose the backstop on the other?
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
A hard border won't be imposed though it will be the default state for failure to reach an agreement. Once an agreement is reached it will go away.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.
That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
Remainer headbangers now darkly mentioning public inquiries and 'show trials' with their favourite Brexit pantomime villains up on the stand.
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
I’d remind you Leavers have actually murdered one MP and attempted to murder another one.
You’re quite on that.
Surely only one person was convicted of the murder. Are you implying with your inaccuracy that ,leavers are somehow more likely to murder people than the rest of us. If so what is the basis for such a strange claim?
As the Treasury predictions broadly turned out, with the exception of employment, the real scandal is people falsely presenting this work as a lie.
STOP LYING
The Treasury predicted an immediate year long recession after a Leave vote.
2.44 In both scenarios, a vote to leave the EU would result in a recession. Setting the shock scenario against the OBR’s Budget 2016 forecast, the analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into recession with four quarters of negative growth.
Don't you accuse me of lying, despicable person.
These are the relevant figures from the report:
Immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU on the UK (% difference from base level unless specified otherwise) Shock scenarioa Severe shock scenarioa GDP -3.6% -6.0% CPI inflation rate (percentage points) +2.3 +2.7 Unemployment rate (percentage points) +1.6 +2.4 Unemployment (level) +520,000 +820,000 Average real wages -2.8% -4.0% House prices -10% -18% Sterling exchange rate index -12% -15% Public sector net borrowing (£ billion) b +£24 billion +£39 billion a Peak impact over two years. Unemployment level rounded to the nearest 10,000. b Fiscal year 2017-18.
Relative to Remain.
I reckon turnout relative to (Treasury prediction) approximately as follows:
GDP -2% (-3.6%) CPI inflation rate (% points) +2.8 (+2.3) Unemployment rate (percentage points) 0 (+1.6) Average real wages -2.5% (-2.8%) House prices -5% (-10%) Sterling exchange rate index -15% (-12%) Public sector net borrowing +£5 billion (+£24 billion)
I don't respond to people who accuse me of lying. Nevertheless I point out to anyone else who might be interested that the Treasury Report is relative to the base Remain case. The whole point of any such report is to see the effects of a policy. The UK economy will perform worse than it would otherwise do, regardless of whether the world economy is on the up or down. If you tend to dismiss the effects of Brexit, you won't accept any worldwide recession is caused by Brexit, and nor should you. The same applies in reverse. The Treasury makes it clear these are changes are relative to base.
If you have read Travellers in the Third Reich you will know that there were very clear signs and strongly flashing red lights all along the road that Germany travelled between 1930 and 1939.
The UK is probably winter 1931 into 1932 at this stage.
If you have read Travellers in the Third Reich you will know that there were very clear signs and strongly flashing red lights all along the road that Germany travelled between 1930 and 1939.
The UK is probably winter 1931 into 1932 at this stage.
Bit harsh and inappropriate to compare Merkel to Adolf. Think you need a lie down SO.
What the government of Gibraltar forgot to say is that all its plans are almpst entirely dependent on the goodwill of the Spanish government. Just as the UK will be entirely dependent on the goodwill of others after a No Deal Brexit. That is the reality of taking back control.
If you have read Travellers in the Third Reich you will know that there were very clear signs and strongly flashing red lights all along the road that Germany travelled between 1930 and 1939.
The UK is probably winter 1931 into 1932 at this stage.
Bit harsh and inappropriate to compare Merkel to Adolf. Think you need a lie down SO.
Given how completely you have misunderstood my post, I think you need the lie down, dear boy x
If you have read Travellers in the Third Reich you will know that there were very clear signs and strongly flashing red lights all along the road that Germany travelled between 1930 and 1939.
The UK is probably winter 1931 into 1932 at this stage.
Operation Yellowhammer - written by the fifth columnist collaborators in the civil service. Time for a purge.
The problem with Benedict Arnold isn't that he was called a traitor.
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
Just in case it's not obvious, I wasn't being serious.
I am.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
The EU are not "our enemy".
Maybe not, but they do sit on the opposite side of the negotiation table.
I had an early night last night. Have I hugely overslept and we are now somewhere in France ca. 1940?
It's more like Secret Army acted out by the cast of 'Allo 'Allo.
Completely off topic: one of the actors in 'Allo 'Allo (Richard Marner) was a great friend of my father and used to take me from the age of about 14 onwards to various racing tracks round the country so that I can learn about racing and betting. It was all hugely enjoyable and, beginner that I was, I used to win quite regularly, which amused and infuriated in equal measure the faintly disreputable crowd I was with.
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https://twitter.com/gdog2010_john/status/1162749041144410113?s=20
HYUFD. Have I missed anything?
Gives you an idea just how unpleasant the forces ranged against implementing the 2016 result are.
If there are to be 'show trials' then it should be those traitors who connived with the EU to undermine the democratic will of 17m+ voters.
Or,
We could be grown up and respect a democracy built on centuries of fairness and find a way to implement the result not subvert it for the sake of a rotting carcass of an institution that doesn't want us sulking on the sidelines anyway.
From the BBC
If Smith is ruled out of today then he could also be ruled out of the Headingley Test because of the concussion rules.
This could be massive for the series nevermind this match.
The third Test starts on Thursday.
An M4 corridor to Bristol and Cardiff is what you should be asking for.
You’re quite on that.
Possibly the most inappropriate post I have seen on here.
That would be a shocking introduction for the Westminster bubble on how negotiating works!
Unsexy they may be but they are vital to a lot of business. And as I read the government’s base scenario, there are no effective steps which can be taken.
Compare and contrast
Footage of the Queen giving a fascist salute has revived theories that Britain’s blue bloods were in thrall to Hitler
The country is bristling with new ideas and new methods… I have found fresh hope and renewed confidence.”
So wrote the Conservative MP Sir Arnold Wilson after one of the seven visits he paid to Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1937.
Lord Mount Temple, who helped found the Anglo-German Fellowship, declared that Hitler had produced a “national reawakening”. A former minister, Lord Londonderry, called on Hitler and found him “a kindly man with a receding chin and an impressive face”.
The historian David Pryce-Jones considers this “the silliest sentence ever uttered about Hitler”. But that accolade was surely earned by Sir John Simon, foreign secretary from 1931 to 1935, who called Hitler “an Austrian Joan of Arc with a moustache”.
Even Winston Churchill wrote laudatory comments on Hitler in 1935. He and others were impressed by the dynamism of the Führer, his oratorical skill, and his capacity to mobilise a great national movement. Churchill soon changed his mind: one reason was his distaste for Hitler’s antisemitism.
The late historian Sir Martin Gilbert liked to tell the story of the occasion when the two warlords almost met. It was 1932 and Churchill, out of office, was visiting Germany.
He found himself in Munich and was approached by the Nazi leader’s Harvard-educated sidekick Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl, who offered to arrange a meeting with Hitler.
Churchill was willing but warned Hanfstaengl that he would take up the issue of antisemitism. “Tell your boss antisemitism may be a good starter but it is a bad stayer,” he said. The meeting never took place.
A claque of reactionary dukes took longer to perceive the Führer’s true colours. The Duke of Westminster, possibly the wealthiest man in Britain in the 1930s, blamed communists and Jews for stirring up trouble between Britain and Germany. He named his dog “Jew”.
The Duke of Buccleuch, who held the honorific position of Lord Steward of the Royal Household, travelled to Germany in April 1939 to join in celebrations of Hitler’s 50th birthday.
Nice to see that the British record for impartiality is maintained.
I'm sure there must be a safe space for Leaver snowflakes out there somewhere.
The backstop isn't due to failure it is imposition and unacceptable.
Well done on this economic discovery you have made - you deserve a nomination for the Noble prize.
A question though - if a 0.25% interest rate cut can avert a recession why didn't increasing interest rates twice by 0.25% since then cause a recession ?
And it isn't a question of being overly sensitive, it is a question of basic decency which unfortunately the poster in question showed little of with his comments.
We all have off days though and we are certainly in febrile times.
"in a recession the Democrats can nominate any of their candidates and expect to evict the president with ease."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/opinion/sunday/what-happens-in-a-recession.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
And 1970 the first GE where 18-20s could vote ?
Things evolve over time.
GDP -2% (-3.6%)
CPI inflation rate (% points) +2.8 (+2.3)
Unemployment rate (percentage points) 0 (+1.6)
Average real wages -2.5% (-2.8%)
House prices -5% (-10%)
Sterling exchange rate index -15% (-12%)
Public sector net borrowing +£5 billion (+£24 billion)
Although probably (hopefully) not quite he way he intended...
Why can't the BoE do the same on 1 November or before then?
Collaborators and traitors need to be removed from office. Though if this was written as a worst case problem identifying exercise then that is sensible. The leaker though is a traitor.
The slowdown we're seeing now is what the treasury expected after the vote, they were wrong.
As I've commented many times, Brexit has turned you all crazy!
Shock Scenario
2016q3 -0.1%
2016q4 -0.1%
2017q1 -0.1%
2017q2 -0.1%
2017q3 +0.2%
2017q4 +0.2%
2018q1 +0.2%
2018q2 +0.2%
Severe Shock scenario
2016q3 -1.0%
2016q4 -0.4%
2017q1 -0.4%
2017q2 -0.4%
2017q3 +0.0%
2017q4 +0.0%
2018q1 +0.1%
2018q2 +0.1%
This is what actually happened:
2016q3 +0.5%
2016q4 +0.7%
2017q1 +0.4%
2017q2 +0.3%
2017q3 +0.5%
2017q4 +0.4%
2018q1 +0.1%
2018q2 +0.4%
So the Treasury predicted that following a Leave vote there would be an immediate four quarter recession with GDP change over the two years after a Leave vote being in the range +0.4% to -2.0%.
What actually happened was GDP growth of 3.3%.
+3.3% is not 'broadly' within a range of +0.4% to -2.0%.
And that's without mentioning the Treasury's other errors on unemployment, pay rises, house prices, consumption, investment, exports etc.
I don't want violence but anyone who is working for the government and undermining their government while collaborators with our enemy in these negotiations is a traitor. They should be fired if they can't recuse themselves.
But I cannot accept No Deal. It is economic suicide.
https://twitter.com/gibraltargov/status/1163020869192552448?s=21
The UK is probably winter 1931 into 1932 at this stage.
There's more than enough to worry about in the everyday practicalities as I keep saying.
The danger is in the little things.
To do A you need to tick box X.
And if you cannot tick box X then things begin to grind to a halt.
Its no good some posturing politician saying that box X should be ignored.
Because in the real world people who ignore box X get inspected, fined, prosecuted and sacked.
So the person who's job it is to tick box X will still insist on doing so.
And there's an endless multitude of box Xs in this country.
That should be far more concerning to people than doom and disaster claims.
"Traitors".
"The enemy."
I had an early night last night. Have I hugely overslept and we are now somewhere in France ca. 1940?
Every cloud.