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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    It is the Nixon strategy. The other side don't quite know whether he is actually mad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    A dam has collapsed on the River Goyt in Derbyshire and the town of Whalley Bridge is being evacuated.

    Terrible and incredible scenes in N Yorks the other day.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Borough, missed most of the footage but I did hear a month's worth of rain (day before yesterday) fell in 4 hours.
  • Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Time to move on from Anderson now I feel. He is just too liable to break down.

    He's almost the same age as Roger Federer and Serena Williams.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    A dam has collapsed on the River Goyt in Derbyshire and the town of Whalley Bridge is being evacuated.

    Terrible and incredible scenes in N Yorks the other day.
    A Yorkshireman paid for a round?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Any ETA for the by-election result?
  • Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,289

    A dam has collapsed on the River Goyt in Derbyshire and the town of Whalley Bridge is being evacuated.

    Not fully collapsed yet, but looks serious:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-49189955

    As folks from Sheffield know well, when a dam goes it can be catastrophic:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood
    Looking at the scope of the evacuation I am guessing this is either a smallish reservoir or they are not anticipating a major collapse, otherwise they would be evacuating further downstream rather than just Whalley Bridge. The Sheffield Wikipedia page suggests that a large breach into a substantial downstream river had a destructive range of about 5 miles or so and I think that was similar for the other Victorian dam collapse above Holmfirth.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2019

    Any ETA for the by-election result?

    Declaration was at 2:37am in 2017 and 2:53am in 2015. It's a night count again this time. The last time they started counting the next day was in 1997.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19pjmPA5bAYievt7plp9SOKce4EbXBeamLmww2Ba2GCA/edit#gid=0
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. JS, sounds like a fucking crisis.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    tlg86 said:

    Fenster said:

    Sandpit said:

    Fenster said:

    DavidL said:

    Smith continues to make a game of it with almost no support. He really is a class act although you have to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose.

    He's ranked second highest on the all time batting ratings.

    1. The Don 961
    2. Smith 947
    3. Hutton 945
    4. Ponting 942
    5. Jack Hobbs 942

    Ponting was the best I ever saw, between Ashes 2005 and summer of 2008. His batting, in all formats, was just unreal. He made back to back centuries in his 100th test (against SA) with his eyes closed. It was the way he did it too, batting under big pressure after the Proteas made a big first innings score. Won the game too, one of his 108 Test wins. Another unreal stat.
    Are we thinking of the same Ponting?

    (Why Gary Pratt will always be a great pub quiz question answer).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxiSWKYjc20
    YEP! I remember he looked superb with the bat that day. Really in good nick, then Marto ran him out. The famous sub fielded GARY PRATT!

    It all could've been so different :)
    Fun fact. That test match at Trent Bridge was the only one in which an Australian team featuring Shane Warne was forced to follow-on (and Vaughan enforced it without knowing the extent of the injury to Jones).
    I had tickets for Day 5, and a house 400m from the ground. I was willing England to win but wanted it to stretch into the final day :-(
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2019
    Burnham (Greater Manchester) and Rotheram (Greater Liverpool) have won the trigger ballot to be reselected as Labour candidates for next mayoral elections
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Scott_P said:
    Babylon worked well for me, I must admit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Any ETA for the by-election result?

    3 am was best guess from a local councillor I spoke to when visiting
  • Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    It can go either way to be fair
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Burnham (Greater Manchester) and Rotheram (Greater Liverpool) have won the trigger ballot to be reselected as Labour candidates for next mayoral elections

    Good news. Presumably the loonies on the Left are crying their eyes out?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707
    Pro_Rata said:

    A dam has collapsed on the River Goyt in Derbyshire and the town of Whalley Bridge is being evacuated.

    Not fully collapsed yet, but looks serious:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-49189955

    As folks from Sheffield know well, when a dam goes it can be catastrophic:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood
    Looking at the scope of the evacuation I am guessing this is either a smallish reservoir or they are not anticipating a major collapse, otherwise they would be evacuating further downstream rather than just Whalley Bridge. The Sheffield Wikipedia page suggests that a large breach into a substantial downstream river had a destructive range of about 5 miles or so and I think that was similar for the other Victorian dam collapse above Holmfirth.
    The current Toddbrook reservoir apparently holds 300,000,000 gallons, but the old Dale Dyke Reservoir that failed held 114,000,000 cubic feet of water, or 691,000,000 gallons (but afaicr wasn't full when it collapsed). So it's about half the size.

    Wiki indicates that work was done a while back to aid problems caused by old mineshats adjacent to the dam at Todbrook. Any betting that the old shafts are a contributory factor to this mess?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    Raining again at Edgbaston.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Jessop, does remind me of school seating plans, where good kids are sat beside bad kids to be a positive influence. That worked well.

    Likewise videogame companies, mostly in a race to see who can have the scummiest microtransactions.

    (CDPR do seem to be bucking the trend, though, and I like the look of Obsidian's The Outer Worlds).
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627

    Raining again at Edgbaston.

    Fake news!

    ;)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Sony dropped it from their new phone already
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    At least Apple are clear that they sell hardware and software. You are their customer.

    With Google and Facebook, they primarily sell data to advertisers and marketers. You are their product.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    By knowing how they work in the industry. I'm not defending the likes of MS, Facebook and Google (although MS does a lot of good stuff), but the Apple fanbois really should dig a little deeper.

    They are not 'ethical' at a business level.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    By knowing how they work in the industry. I'm not defending the likes of MS, Facebook and Google (although MS does a lot of good stuff), but the Apple fanbois really should dig a little deeper.

    They are not 'ethical' at a business level.
    And neither is any company really?
  • Convicts looking good for 300...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    IanB2 said:

    Any ETA for the by-election result?

    3 am was best guess from a local councillor I spoke to when visiting
    It was just before 3am at the last two general elections.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2019

    Burnham (Greater Manchester) and Rotheram (Greater Liverpool) have won the trigger ballot to be reselected as Labour candidates for next mayoral elections

    Good news. Presumably the loonies on the Left are crying their eyes out?
    Rotheram is a sort of Corbynite. But some left dominated CLPs like Liverpool Riverside voted to trigger him out of a "let's have an open selection everywhere" idea.
    It would have been funny if the first to be trigger had been a Corbynite.

    Edit: ok, I always forget about them. 2 Police and Crime Commissioners have already been triggered.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    By knowing how they work in the industry. I'm not defending the likes of MS, Facebook and Google (although MS does a lot of good stuff), but the Apple fanbois really should dig a little deeper.

    They are not 'ethical' at a business level.
    And neither is any company really?
    No, Apple takes it a stage or two beyond what is acceptable IMO.

    Going away from business practices, their attitude towards standards is sh*t. And I love standards.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707
    Off-topic;

    If you want bad timing, a hiking acquaintance of mine has been sidelined by ill-health for a year. He got the all-clear last month, and chose this week for his first back-to-health backpack. In the Peak District ...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Implying their views were changed by the visit? Probably not....
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited August 2019

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    By knowing how they work in the industry. I'm not defending the likes of MS, Facebook and Google (although MS does a lot of good stuff), but the Apple fanbois really should dig a little deeper.

    They are not 'ethical' at a business level.
    And neither is any company really?
    No, Apple takes it a stage or two beyond what is acceptable IMO.

    Going away from business practices, their attitude towards standards is sh*t. And I love standards.
    I love standards too. What standards are you referring to?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Mr. Borough, missed most of the footage but I did hear a month's worth of rain (day before yesterday) fell in 4 hours.

    So where is Boris? During Brown's honeymoon (between his accession to the throne, and the bottled election) he was forever being photographed up to the top of his wellies in a torrent of water, and getting praise from all quarters for giving good flood. Is Johnson more keen to follow in May's footsteps and react too little and too late as she did with Grenfell?
  • RobD said:

    Implying their views were changed by the visit? Probably not....
    Defending the Cayman Islands' status publicly is rather different than more passive support.

    Arguably, it's a poor use of he Cayman Islands Government's money if their £17k didn't mean they gained vocal support from these two.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Cricket Fans: New Thread
    Everyone else: As You Were
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    England slowly screwing this up, letting 60 go for the 9th wicket.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    AndyJS said:
    Looks like the Tories' efforts to discourage the lower orders from breeding is bearing fruit.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Sandpit said:

    England slowly screwing this up, letting 60 go for the 9th wicket.

    Match definitely going Australia’s way. Really missing Anderson. It’s going to be low scoring. Over 200 probably par.
  • Looks like i was being optimistic about england batting for an hour this evening...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    AndyJS said:
    Looks like the Tories' efforts to discourage the lower orders from breeding is bearing fruit.
    Gotta cut carbon emissions somehow.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited August 2019
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    If the UK is determined to go for No Deal, it is not in the EU’s interests to try to stop it. You can’t appease madmen drunk on nationalism.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    Looks like i was being optimistic about england batting for an hour this evening...

    Said I'd seen Siddle batting well. He's after all part of the reason Essex are top of the County Championship, and not just for his bowling.
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.

    Their position of maximum strength is now when people are worried. Once we've gotten over any disruption they'll be weaker than now.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If the UK is determined to go for No Deal, it is not in the EU’s interests to try to stop it. You can’t appease madmen drunk on nationalism.

    It would actually help the EU if we crash out in chaos.

    What better advert for Union could there be?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    If the UK is determined to go for No Deal, it is not in the EU’s interests to try to stop it. You can’t appease madmen drunk on nationalism.
    It will come down to politics. Will there be a blowback for Merkel and Macron in their own countries if they don't blink and stop No Deal? I think not, and so they will not cave.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If the Tories win Brecon & Radnor the pressure on Johnson to hold a snap election could become irresistible.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    Absurd.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    If the UK is determined to go for No Deal, it is not in the EU’s interests to try to stop it. You can’t appease madmen drunk on nationalism.
    The EU's best bet is to let us get blind drunk on the beer and cider of full nationalism, then wait until, after the inevitable hangover of almost national bankruptcy, we come back inside again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    If the UK is determined to go for No Deal, it is not in the EU’s interests to try to stop it. You can’t appease madmen drunk on nationalism.
    The EU's best bet is to let us get blind drunk on the beer and cider of full nationalism, then wait until, after the inevitable hangover of almost national bankruptcy, we come back inside again.
    The only thing that might make them blink is that a massive recession in UK just as the EU hits a recession is going to possibly break the euro.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited August 2019

    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.

    Their position of maximum strength is now when people are worried. Once we've gotten over any disruption they'll be weaker than now.

    Yeah yeah.

    Even if your fantasy was correct, there is the little problemette that they know perfectly well that Boris hasn't got a majority, so what on earth would be the point of doing a deal with him, at the cost of losing political face, destroying their unity, and appearing to abandon an EU member state, even if they wanted to?

    Not to mention the fact that Boris has put himself in a straitjacket and thrown away the key, with a deadline which would be impossible to meet even if there were no other issues.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    Where Apple leads everyone else follows

    Samsung Expected to Remove Headphone Jack from Galaxy Note 10 as Seen in New Dongle Leak

    https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/samsung-headphone-jack-dongle/

    Apple are an evil company. It's a shame that everyone else has to jump into the cesspit with them.

    (And as I doubt the dongles will be compatible, it's an utterly anti-consumer move as people will need to carry about different dongles. 3.5mm jacks work perfectly well.)
    How on earth can you claim that Apple are an evil company? They are far more ethical than the likes of Facebook, Microsoft and Google and invest a hell of a lot of money into accessibility features.
    By knowing how they work in the industry. I'm not defending the likes of MS, Facebook and Google (although MS does a lot of good stuff), but the Apple fanbois really should dig a little deeper.

    They are not 'ethical' at a business level.
    And neither is any company really?
    No, Apple takes it a stage or two beyond what is acceptable IMO.

    Going away from business practices, their attitude towards standards is sh*t. And I love standards.
    I love standards too. What standards are you referring to?
    Common EPS for a start (and loads of others). This is why, when we go away, we need to take chargers (ahem, dongle) just for any Apple devices.

    You may also want to look at the licensing conditions for any of *their* standards. Open and free they are not.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.

    Their position of maximum strength is now when people are worried. Once we've gotten over any disruption they'll be weaker than now.

    Yeah yeah.

    Even if your fantasy was correct, there is the little problemette that they know perfectly well that Boris hasn't got a majority, so what on earth would be the point of doing a deal with him, at the cost of losing political face, destroying their unity, and appearing to abandon an EU member state, even if they wanted to?

    Not to mention the fact that Boris has put himself in a straitjacket and thrown away the key, with a deadline which would be impossible to meet even if there were no other issues.
    What could be a potential EU wedge between Johnson and the DUP?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Not to mention the fact that Boris has put himself in a straitjacket and thrown away the key, with a deadline which would be impossible to meet even if there were no other issues.

    I notice the Tories have put a "how many days do we have left in office" clock up in No10
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    In Test news, I've never really rated Denly as a bowler. So he'll probably achieve the breakthrough.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Some of the 05 team looking better than others...

    twitter.com/WisdenCricket/status/1156910208985305088

    Simon Jones doesn't appear to have aged at all.
    Nor does Paul Collingwood
    He was still playing for Durham last season. He lives in my village, and is often out running. Does loads for local cricket too.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    The BBC (like others) has fact-checked Dominic Raab's latest pack of lies:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    From the movie Eurotrip:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
    You cannot negotiate with nutters, you just contain them. That is why the EU will stick by Ireland. Those German car makers are not interested in bailing out Boris.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    Implying their views were changed by the visit? Probably not....
    They are a bunch of chancers, they will all have accounts there for sure.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Some of the 05 team looking better than others...

    twitter.com/WisdenCricket/status/1156910208985305088

    Simon Jones doesn't appear to have aged at all.
    Nor does Paul Collingwood
    He was still playing for Durham last season. He lives in my village, and is often out running. Does loads for local cricket too.
    Keith Fletcher doesn't play any more but still comes and watches Essex II's. Always has a group of young men around him listening to him.
  • I see posters are arguing over labour at a range of 24% to 26% in the polls

    Even discussing labour in this range is surreal and illustrates Corbyn's corrosive effect on the labour party
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    Well well well

    If a deal between the UK and EU cannot be reached:

    38% support leaving the European Union without a deal, whereas 50% oppose. 67% of Conservative voters support this outcome but 74% of Labour voters oppose.

    50% support delaying the UK leaving until an agreement can be reached, 37% oppose. 62% of Conservatives oppose this outcome and 75% of Labour voters support it.

    56% support a General Election to elect a new parliament, 29% oppose. 87% of Labour voters and 71% of Lib Dems support this outcome but a majority of Conservatives (55%) oppose.

    38% is even more than the 34% the Tories are polling on the headline poll
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Also tonight, two local by-elections, one in Cambridgeshire and one in Stockport, both LibDem defences that look safe.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.
    Yeah you are aware it's not a Hollywood film.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited August 2019
    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    Chris said:

    The BBC (like others) has fact-checked Dominic Raab's latest pack of lies:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836

    So Rabb thinks maybe sort of saying it on *ONE* interview on Radio 5 is enough to say that there is a democratic mandate for no deal? Wow.
  • TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,490
    DavidL said:

    FPT
    rcs1000 said:
    Scott_P said:
    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1156882370752057347

    RCS said:
    That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.

    In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.

    What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.

    I said:
    Too conventional in your thinking. Monetary policy has a larger tool kit these days. The ECB are already talking about going back to QE along with negative interest rates.

    It would be nice to know whether Carney there is a chance of recession with no Brexit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    I think TOPPING is talking about the worth of spending a dollar today, rather than saving it to spend tomorrow.

    That, or I'm an idiot. Probably the latter, actually.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    rcs1000 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Those figures are wrong Labour is unchanged - Tories are up 8 % - Lib Dems have dropped 2% - Bxt Pty has dropped 3%. - Greens down 2%.
    Ipsos MORI have made some methodological changes, so they aren't comparing to last month per se.
    That would make nonsense of their last poll which had the Tories 2% ahead. They now seem to imply that actually Labour was 2% ahead! Are they now claiming that last month the LibDems were not - after all - on 22% but just 15%? Similarly the Brexit Party had not fallen to 12% but was still on 16%? If so, Ipsos Mori has credibility issues.
    Apparently they do not prompt for the Brexit Party - hence, its lower rating.
    What they should have done is shown the figures for

    New Methodology - July vs June
    Old Methodology - July vs June

    They should then have indicated they would only be showing new methodology in future.
    The methodology changes can only have had a tiny effect at most (it was just whether to prompt for the Brexit Party or not, a decision YouGov have already implemented without calling it a "methodology change").

    The reason BritainElects' figures look so different is that they have missed out the June poll altogether!
    Indeed - that does appear to be the explanation. Thanks for that!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    I would be grateful if you could provide me with a source for that. Genuinely interested
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    Big G it's nothing to do with the exchange rate. If you have a dollar today it is worth more than being given a dollar in a year's time. Even at today's low interest rates.

    So if we forego growth today and it arrives some time in the future it makes less of an impact on our wealth.

    @Philip_Thompson will explain.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    I think TOPPING is talking about the worth of spending a dollar today, rather than saving it to spend tomorrow.

    That, or I'm an idiot. Probably the latter, actually.
    No. The former. :smile:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    AndyJS said:
    Is it any wonder, what with all the chaos at Westminster?

    People can't concentrate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    Callaghan led Thatcher in best PM ratings in 1979.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    Big G it's nothing to do with the exchange rate. If you have a dollar today it is worth more than being given a dollar in a year's time. Even at today's low interest rates.

    So if we forego growth today and it arrives some time in the future it makes less of an impact on our wealth.

    @Philip_Thompson will explain.
    Fair comment
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    In the 1930s some Communists in Germany were glad the Nazis won. They were bound to cock it up and then the Communists would get their chance.

    In 2016, there was much certainty Remain had won. For an hour.

    I'd be wary of predicting how things will go and the consequences that follow.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited August 2019
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    I would be grateful if you could provide me with a source for that. Genuinely interested
    Even in 1992 and 2015 when the Tories lacked a clear lead in most polls and Labour even led in most 1992 polls Major and Cameron led Kinnock and Ed Miliband as preferred PM.

    Same in Australia a few months ago when Labor narrowly led most polls but Morrison led Shorten as preferred PM and the Coalition got a shock 1992 style win.

    Only exception may be 1970, I think even in 1979 Thatcher led Callaghan in final polls
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    We are now 8 days through Boris as PM.
    Put another way, he has used up one-twelfth of his time before a NoDeal exit.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    Siddle gone I see. As an Essex supporter it's good to see 'one of ours'; as an E&W Cricket supporter......Hmmm.
  • RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    I think TOPPING is talking about the worth of spending a dollar today, rather than saving it to spend tomorrow.

    That, or I'm an idiot. Probably the latter, actually.
    You are no idiot and it is fair comment
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    I would be grateful if you could provide me with a source for that. Genuinely interested
    Could swear Callaghan led Thatcher. But am prepared to be proved wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited August 2019
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    Callaghan led Thatcher in best PM ratings in 1979.
    I had thought that but apparently Thatcher edged ahead of Callaghan by Spring 1979 on a net satisfied basis too

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/british-public-opinion-march-1979
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Scott_P said:

    Not to mention the fact that Boris has put himself in a straitjacket and thrown away the key, with a deadline which would be impossible to meet even if there were no other issues.

    I notice the Tories have put a "how many days do we have left in office" clock up in No10
    “This party will self-destruct in x seconds.”
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    kinabalu said:

    AndyJS said:
    Is it any wonder, what with all the chaos at Westminster?

    People can't concentrate.
    Boris is doing his best to increase the birthrate...
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    edited August 2019
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.

    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    Big G it's nothing to do with the exchange rate. If you have a dollar today it is worth more than being given a dollar in a year's time. Even at today's low interest rates.

    So if we forego growth today and it arrives some time in the future it makes less of an impact on our wealth.

    @Philip_Thompson will explain.
    If interest rates are 5% and inflation is 2%, £1 today will be worth £1.05 in a year's time, or £1.03 in real terms. So £1 today is better than £1 in a year's time. 3p better in this example.

    This is known as Net Present Value.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.
    Ing
    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    That's not what @TOPPING meant, @Big_G_NorthWales . The theory is that a dollar now is worth more than a dollar in ten years time, because a) you could have put that dollar in a bank account and got interest, b) the purchasing power of that future dollar is less due to inflation, and c) there is a non-trivial chance of you dying in the meantime.

    I used to work in an actuarial firm (many years ago!) and you have to take things like that into account.
  • viewcode said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is he mad enough to do it? Suspect they'll be wondering the same thing in Brussels.
    If he convinces Brussels that he is mad enough to do it, then it will be job done.
    Ing
    I wrote earlier this year that we needed to appear mad to Brussels. That what we needed was not just to act hard, but to act full on Vinnie Jones levels of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" stark raving bonkers to the Europeans.

    Being "diplomatic" won't work.

    They'll just wait for us to come to our senses, at which time our bargaining position will be even weaker than it currently is.
    Except we have no need to come to our senses. We can cope either way, even HM Treasuries pessimistic forecasts show we'll be better off in a future no deal scenario than we are now, what will be foregone is some growth. The longer we get past the event horizon of a no deal Brexit the less disruptive it will be to us too.
    You're an economist by training. Tell us about the time value of money. How much is a dollar today Vs a dollar tomorrow worth?
    I am not sure day to day movements in currency worthwhile.

    Lets see where the pound is in the autumn
    That's not what @TOPPING meant, @Big_G_NorthWales . The theory is that a dollar now is worth more than a dollar in ten years time, because a) you could have put that dollar in a bank account and got interest, b) the purchasing power of that future dollar is less due to inflation, and c) there is a non-trivial chance of you dying in the meantime.

    I used to work in an actuarial firm (many years ago!) and you have to take things like that into account.
    I accept your comments
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting that support for a No Deal in the IPSOS-Mori is 38%, which is less than the combined Tory/BXP score. 50% are opposed and 54% believe it will adversely affect them.

    Despite that 10 point Tory lead I think it is way to soon to be calling any pre-Brexit election for Johnson. His lead looks very vulnerable to me.

    That is what Kieren Pedley thinks in this good news/bad news thread.

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890526999863296?s=19
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1156890529675776000?s=20

    No leader who has led on best PM ratings has failed to win the general election even if their party lacked a clear lead on headline voting intention
    Callaghan led Thatcher in best PM ratings in 1979.
    I had thought that but apparently Thatcher edged ahead of Callaghan by Spring 1979 on a net satisfied basis too

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/british-public-opinion-march-1979
    So it depends how close we are to an election.

    How much did May lead Corbyn before the June 2017 where she lost seats and Labour gained?
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