politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » On what’s currently the biggest UK political betting market punters make it a 35% chance that there’ll be an no deal Brexit this year
These numbers substantially understate the market's opinion of the probability of No Deal, because if it's No Deal then the winner gets paid in No Deal pounds, which are worth maybe 20% less than the Not No Deal pounds you win if you win the bet on the other side.
Strikes me that Boris is looking for someone, anyone, to call his bluff. The EU, Parliament etc. I'm starting to hope that no-one does, and that he has to climb down all on his own.
One thing that just starting to get attention is how unmanaged a no-deal would be without required legislation: that trade bill that got stuck, a farming bill, a fishing bill, an immigration bill etc.
Chances of parliament passing them to enable a no-deal: somewhere near zero I reckon.
So forcing a no deal through really would be about bringing the whole order of things crashing down. And I'm not sure I can see even this Conservative party doing that, when it really comes to it.
Hasn't Brexit been a continual bourach of unintended consequences? BJ blustering on about 110% real no deal in the belief that it'll engender a consumption of delicious cake deal fits entirely with the process to date.
I can’t see any circumstances where Boris gets the votes to pass an agreement (any agreement) in this Parliament.
So Revoke it is. There’s some nice prices on that.
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I don't find the odds of 3/1 on Revoking Article 50 this year (perhaps 4's if you really hunt around) particularly 'nice.' Those aren't odds that attract me.
Instead, might I suggest another route to nearly the same end with fuller routes and better odds?
If Article 50 is going to be revoked, there's a good chance it would have to be before Oct 31st. If it isn't the case then it means Johnson will have had to extend the deadline. Either of those options would almost certainly mean the end of Boris Johnson as PM, something which is also achievable by other means such as a successful VONC.
I therefore suggest that Ladbroke's 5/1 on Boris Johnson being the shortest ever serving Prime Minister represents the better option if you're tempted by the revoke Art 50 market. That gives you until November 20th. That's a lot more juicy and I have just bet accordingly.
Strikes me that Boris is looking for someone, anyone, to call his bluff. The EU, Parliament etc. I'm starting to hope that no-one does, and that he has to climb down all on his own.
One thing that just starting to get attention is how unmanaged a no-deal would be without required legislation: that trade bill that got stuck, a farming bill, a fishing bill, an immigration bill etc.
Chances of parliament passing them to enable a no-deal: somewhere near zero I reckon.
So forcing a no deal through really would be about bringing the whole order of things crashing down. And I'm not sure I can see even this Conservative party doing that, when it really comes to it.
Yes, Boris' strategy is to wait for someone else to blink.
But in the end he will either have to blink himself or be forced out by a VONC.
I genuinely don't understand this. Johnson has to deliver a No Deal Brexit now. Anything else would be seen as a betrayal by the voters he is looking to attract. There is no no deal to be done with the red lines he has set.
We're at a historic moment with Boris and his No Deal. If the result is anything other than Heaven on Earth, then I can't see Boris's Tories winning a Westminster seat any time soon. Nigel will pounce, proclaiming Boris to be a bumbling oaf who buggered Brexit through a combination of incompetence and vanity. The Leave voters will then flock to TPB in droves, convinced that Nigel is, and always was, their one true savour. Boris's support will be eviscerated.
I genuinely don't understand this. Johnson has to deliver a No Deal Brexit now. Anything else would be seen as a betrayal by the voters he is looking to attract. There is no no deal to be done with the red lines he has set.
And it only works if there is an election where the voters can endorse his No Deal position before it actually happens and they riot instead
I genuinely don't understand this. Johnson has to deliver a No Deal Brexit now. Anything else would be seen as a betrayal by the voters he is looking to attract. There is no no deal to be done with the red lines he has set.
I think EdmundInTokyo's point is relevant. There's a discount on no deal because if we do no deal each of your winning pounds will probably be worth less than a $ or € each.
I daresay this won't go on HUYFD's list of endlessly repeatable sub samples.
'In the latest YouGov poll Scotland gives Johnson a thumbs down: 70 per cent are negative about him; 66 per cent don’t trust him and almost as many think he has extreme views and will make all the wrong decisions for the country.
Caveat: it is only a small sub-sample of the nationwide poll but you would need a rather large pinch of salt to convince yourself that there was not a problem for the Tories north of the border.'
I genuinely don't understand this. Johnson has to deliver a No Deal Brexit now. Anything else would be seen as a betrayal by the voters he is looking to attract. There is no no deal to be done with the red lines he has set.
I think EdmundInTokyo's point is relevant. There's a discount on no deal because if we do no deal each of your winning pounds will probably be worth less than a $ or € each.
It's only relevant if you do foreign holidays or it ends up being inflationary. Pound in your pocket and all that.
IMO this market is a clear lay. That's a strong 'IMO' and money is co-habiting with mouth.
Only route to No Deal passes through Johnson winning an election with a working majority AND being serious himself about doing it. I judge both of those things to be doubtful.
And even if I'm wrong and he does win an election and he does want to No Deal the lay is still a winner unless it all gets done this year.
I'm hoping that the bombast and the rhetoric keeps flowing so that more and more punters get convinced, the price shortens, and I can lay lots more. I plan to go all in on this one just as I did - smug city and tootled trumpet - on 'no Ref2 in 2019'.
The Tories will claim that they are not putting up a hard border in NI. However, the moment we go WTO, there has to be a hard border not just in NI but also at seaports and airports. UK is not having zero tariffs.
I think Sir Simon is right here. We should stop fooling ourselves that No Deal is merely a ruse. Intentionally or not, Boris has created the scenario in which it is now very much the reality.
No-deal Brexit has suddenly gone serious. It is no longer an exercise in bombast and biceps-flexing. Boris Johnson is about to impose a massive economic sanction on his own country. He is playing with fire. It is a political stunt that has gone horribly wrong.
It is clearly reckless to assume a sensible Brexit deal before the due date of 31 October. Politicians can twiddle their thumbs, others cannot. Since March, the Tories decided collectively to stop working in the nation’s interest and play a game of chicken with Brussels. It has not worked. The government is now planning for crisis.
Does anyone have a list of the enabling legislation which needs to be passed in order for No Deal to take place within a set of legal rules? To my mind, this is the key to the whole shebang right now, and I am feeling distinctly under informed.
Where are you getting the "dying" bit from? I wish you were right, but I don't see the evidence
That lot look like prime candidates for heart attacks, strokes, chronic liver disease and skin cancer!!
I think this whole cruise story has been the biggest shock to my system over the past few days. I imagined that a cruise to the Norwegian Fjords would be a calm, tranquil affair, for those who enjoy the beauty of nature and watching wildlife. Instead it turns out that it is a lager-fueled chavfest. Thank feck I've never been tempted to sign up for such a trip.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
Am i right in understanding labours position is now GE, magic unicorn new brexit deal, referendum on it...which they will advocate voting against and to remain?
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
It’s genuinely pitiful. The idea that people like Raab can steer us safely through a No Deal is for the fairies.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
Am i right in understanding labours position is now GE, magic unicorn new brexit deal, referendum on it...which they will advocate voting against and to remain?
Wrong in an important respect.
It is just a Unicorn deal, not a magic Unicorn. In Labour Magic is the preserve of Grandpa.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
Yes, I see that the old 'getting agreement with the EU will be easy' has now morphed into 'they will be much more cooperative after we've crashed out in chaos'.
That settles it. If Boris was serious about some new kind of new WA he wouldn't be shunning Brussels. Presumably Cummings has persuaded him that the chaos, suffering and destructiveness of No Deal is somehow desirable. I'm honestly not ruling out the possibility that Boris has gone quite mad, literally believes he's Churchill's reincarnation and this is some bizarre 'destiny' thing.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
That settles it. If Boris was serious about some new kind of new WA he wouldn't be shunning Brussels. Presumably Cummings has persuaded him that the chaos, suffering and destructiveness of No Deal is somehow desirable. I'm honestly not ruling out the possibility that Boris has gone quite mad, literally believes he's Churchill's reincarnation and this is some bizarre 'destiny' thing.
To be fair, keeping Boris as far away as possible from EU leaders might be the best way of getting their help.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
Does anyone have a list of the enabling legislation which needs to be passed in order for No Deal to take place within a set of legal rules? To my mind, this is the key to the whole shebang right now, and I am feeling distinctly under informed.
If you go to the Institute for Government they have a list there . Bills include , trade , immigration .
The thing is Bozo won’t dare bring them back before 31st October as they can be amended .
At this point there are prob only two ways to avoid no deal , a VONC or Bercow using the nuclear option and allowing an emergency debate to include a motion that can be voted on and amended .
That could suspend the standing orders of the House .
Does anyone have a list of the enabling legislation which needs to be passed in order for No Deal to take place within a set of legal rules? To my mind, this is the key to the whole shebang right now, and I am feeling distinctly under informed.
That settles it. If Boris was serious about some new kind of new WA he wouldn't be shunning Brussels. Presumably Cummings has persuaded him that the chaos, suffering and destructiveness of No Deal is somehow desirable. I'm honestly not ruling out the possibility that Boris has gone quite mad, literally believes he's Churchill's reincarnation and this is some bizarre 'destiny' thing.
To save the party they had to burn the country to the ground.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
It’s genuinely pitiful. The idea that people like Raab can steer us safely through a No Deal is for the fairies.
Raab was asked about the Stena Impero which was seized by Iran, and replied by talking about Grace 1 which was seized by the Royal Navy. When Raab realised that he was talking nonsense he tried to make out that he was just giving context to his answer, not that he had anything of substance to say anyway.
Am i right in understanding labours position is now GE, magic unicorn new brexit deal, referendum on it...which they will advocate voting against and to remain?
Wrong in an important respect.
It is just a Unicorn deal, not a magic Unicorn. In Labour Magic is the preserve of Grandpa.
and also, Corbyn has said it is undecided whether his party will campaign for Remain or the deal they have just negotiated iirc.
Yep. It makes about as much sense as the Tory plans.
We are left hoping Swinson and a government of national unity can save us from these two sets of idiots.
They really think the EU is going to blink don't they?
The supposed logic of ramping up preparations for a no-deal outcome is that this will induce the EU to blink and drop the repeated insistence of its leaders that the agreement can’t be reopened. They will then buckle and give him concessions that they wouldn’t offer to Mrs May. Now ask yourself this: how likely are Europe’s leaders to make themselves look very stupid in order to make Boris Johnson look very clever?
If BJ is still PM and unchallenged / not lost a VONC, what are the circumstances under which the EU will offer an extension?
The WA is presented to and passed by Parliament? BJ stops no deal rhetoric and accepts WA? BJ resigns? There has to be a reason for an extension, I can't see what that could be with BJ as PM
We were supposed to use the last extension constructively. That didn't happen!
I don't see how the EU could offer extension with BJ 'secure' as PM
Questions are: Am I wrong? What gives, our PM or EU?
Johnson with not one, not two, but THREE keyboards in front of him, trying to figure out whether he’s a “no brexiter”, “clean bexiter”, or a “diamond brexiter”.
Meanwhile fat man on right hollers encouragement and Latin tags.
They really think the EU is going to blink don't they?
The supposed logic of ramping up preparations for a no-deal outcome is that this will induce the EU to blink and drop the repeated insistence of its leaders that the agreement can’t be reopened. They will then buckle and give him concessions that they wouldn’t offer to Mrs May. Now ask yourself this: how likely are Europe’s leaders to make themselves look very stupid in order to make Boris Johnson look very clever?
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
Yes, I see that the old 'getting agreement with the EU will be easy' has now morphed into 'they will be much more cooperative after we've crashed out in chaos'.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
That explains the mysterious existence of Andrea Jenkyns.
Johnson with not one, not two, but THREE keyboards in front of him, trying to figure out whether he’s a “no brexiter”, “clean bexiter”, or a “diamond brexiter”.
Meanwhile fat man on right hollers encouragement and Latin tags.
One of them is not the nuclear button is it !!!!!!!
That settles it. If Boris was serious about some new kind of new WA he wouldn't be shunning Brussels. Presumably Cummings has persuaded him that the chaos, suffering and destructiveness of No Deal is somehow desirable. I'm honestly not ruling out the possibility that Boris has gone quite mad, literally believes he's Churchill's reincarnation and this is some bizarre 'destiny' thing.
To save the party they had to burn the country to the ground.
I’ve spotted the flaw in their strategy: burning the country to the ground will not save the party.
"Boris Johnson to live with his partner Carrie Symonds in Downing Street, No 10 confirms" : Guardian
Don't pack too much stuff love, your partner wont be living there long.
My name is Carrie I live on the 2nd floor I live upstairs from you Yes I think you've seen me before
If you hear something late at night Some kind of trouble Some kind of fight Just don't ask me what it was Just don't ask me what it was Just don't ask me what it was
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
That explains the mysterious existence of Andrea Jenkyns.
I think I will go and do something Boris cannot - use my time productively.
Thanks to ralphmalph and nico67. In the words of the lawyer I shall be none the wiser. But much better informed.
The bills that were proposed were about changing things on Brexit day. In the previous thread there was a link to the fact that the trade bill allows us to change tariffs. This does not stop no deal Brexit, just means that it occurs without a nice to have.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
That explains the mysterious existence of Andrea Jenkyns.
I think I will go and do something Boris cannot - use my time productively.
Raab was absolutely dire on Radio 5 this morning. I could have done a better job than he did of answering the questions, and I'm just some random person from the internet who was half-awake at the time.
What is the attraction of this empty suit for the Tory faithful. His only distinguishing feature seems to be an oddly spelt name. Is that enough these days?
That explains the mysterious existence of Andrea Jenkyns.
I think I will go and do something Boris cannot - use my time productively.
They really think the EU is going to blink don't they?
The supposed logic of ramping up preparations for a no-deal outcome is that this will induce the EU to blink and drop the repeated insistence of its leaders that the agreement can’t be reopened. They will then buckle and give him concessions that they wouldn’t offer to Mrs May. Now ask yourself this: how likely are Europe’s leaders to make themselves look very stupid in order to make Boris Johnson look very clever?
If BJ is still PM and unchallenged / not lost a VONC, what are the circumstances under which the EU will offer an extension?
The WA is presented to and passed by Parliament? BJ stops no deal rhetoric and accepts WA? BJ resigns? There has to be a reason for an extension, I can't see what that could be with BJ as PM
We were supposed to use the last extension constructively. That didn't happen!
I don't see how the EU could offer extension with BJ 'secure' as PM
Questions are: Am I wrong? What gives, our PM or EU?
Those possible paths and lots of others, including but not limited to:
* UK Parliament appoints somebody to speak for them in matters of Article 50 extensions, Boris is still there but that person makes the request for a delay while the UK works through its constitutional crisis * Boris brings back the WA again this time under a Union Jack tea cosy, it doesn't pass Parliament but he gets an agreement to pass it subject to a binding referendum, asks for time to do that * Boris and somebody on the EU side have some discussions about the Political Declaration, they say they were "productive" but they have not yet concluded, Boris asks for an extension and the rest of the EU grants it, since the alternative causes an immediate crisis and the EU has never yet seen a can and not kicked it
If BJ is still PM and unchallenged / not lost a VONC, what are the circumstances under which the EU will offer an extension?
The WA is presented to and passed by Parliament? BJ stops no deal rhetoric and accepts WA? BJ resigns? There has to be a reason for an extension, I can't see what that could be with BJ as PM
We were supposed to use the last extension constructively. That didn't happen!
I don't see how the EU could offer extension with BJ 'secure' as PM
Questions are: Am I wrong? What gives, our PM or EU?
Now let's think about it, who is in a stronger position.
The EU is a united group of 27 countries with a clear strategy - preserving the EU and discouraging any other country from leaving - on which they are all agreed. They have level-headed and experienced leaders in most cases. Their total population is about 430m and their GDP is in the region of $18 trillion.
The PM leads a government which has no parliamentary or popular majority for its no deal Brexit policy. The PM is inexperienced, erratic and widely derided. His strategy is driven entirely by personal and party interests. Many of his supporters profess themselves happy to risk destroying their country in pursuit of Brexit. The UK has a population of 66m and GDP of about $2.5 trillion.
It's not very hard to work out which side will give.
Did you really fall for that article? You bought into the incredibly tortured logic required to pretend that supporting a woman's right the wear the niqab is somehow inconsistent with criticise a woman for anything she does while wearing one?
Johnson has got himself into a situation where delivering Brexit on 31st October is not enough. It has to be a No Deal Brexit. If this is an example of the genius of Dominic Cummings it may be that he is not quite the genius we’ve been led to believe he is.
For the voters he is trying to keep and attract this is good politics from Johnson. May used to go over to talk and get blanked, cakes tweeted and the tick tock man. Just gave the impression that she was a patsy.
I had not realised that after we No Deal, the negotiations will be far more complex and protracted, as we are officially a 3rd country and not a A50 exiteer. Anything has to be ratified by all 27 state parliaments!
Does anyone have a list of the enabling legislation which needs to be passed in order for No Deal to take place within a set of legal rules? To my mind, this is the key to the whole shebang right now, and I am feeling distinctly under informed.
We leave without a deal, perfectly legally, if nothing happens between now and October 31st.
However, passing (and amending) certain legislation would make the process considerably more pleasant. If you look at https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/income-tax you can see the amount of revising work that needs to happen on a regular basis to avoid UK firms ending up in Double Taxation / Withholding Tax hell.
Johnson has got himself into a situation where delivering Brexit on 31st October is not enough. It has to be a No Deal Brexit. If this is an example of the genius of Dominic Cummings it may be that he is not quite the genius we’ve been led to believe he is.
Opinium yesterday had No Deal now the public's most favoured option.
45% of voters back No Deal, 28% of voters want to revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU and just 13% of voters want to extend Article 50 past October until a Brexit Deal is done
To be fair to Boris there, there is no point of negotiation if there's not going to be a negotiation.
If the EU are sticking to 'no change to the WA', then there's nothing to talk about, and we have a No Deal.
Johnson has removed one option, a MV5 on WA or we No Deal 'gun against the head' vote on 30th October. Should be enough decent Lab MPs to pass that choice surely? But Johnson wont be able to do that because he has said the WA is dead.
Johnson has got himself into a situation where delivering Brexit on 31st October is not enough. It has to be a No Deal Brexit. If this is an example of the genius of Dominic Cummings it may be that he is not quite the genius we’ve been led to believe he is.
Opinium yesterday had No Deal now the public's most favoured option.
45% of voters back No Deal, 28% of voters want to revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU and just 13% of voters want to extend Article 50 past October until a Brexit Deal is done
Thanks to ralphmalph and nico67. In the words of the lawyer I shall be none the wiser. But much better informed.
The bills that were proposed were about changing things on Brexit day. In the previous thread there was a link to the fact that the trade bill allows us to change tariffs. This does not stop no deal Brexit, just means that it occurs without a nice to have.
OK. That was an excellent paper you linked to. I kind of understood the situation in general, but it was laid out comprehensively and clearly without having to wade through excessive waffle or taking an overtly political stance
I had not realised that after we No Deal, the negotiations will be far more complex and protracted, as we are officially a 3rd country and not a A50 exiteer. Anything has to be ratified by all 27 state parliaments!
Johnson must be removed from office asap.
It’s just plain statistics that at least 1 out of 27 is going to be grit in the works.
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One thing that just starting to get attention is how unmanaged a no-deal would be without required legislation: that trade bill that got stuck, a farming bill, a fishing bill, an immigration bill etc.
Chances of parliament passing them to enable a no-deal: somewhere near zero I reckon.
So forcing a no deal through really would be about bringing the whole order of things crashing down. And I'm not sure I can see even this Conservative party doing that, when it really comes to it.
https://twitter.com/richardgaisford/status/1155029988791468032
I don't find the odds of 3/1 on Revoking Article 50 this year (perhaps 4's if you really hunt around) particularly 'nice.' Those aren't odds that attract me.
Instead, might I suggest another route to nearly the same end with fuller routes and better odds?
If Article 50 is going to be revoked, there's a good chance it would have to be before Oct 31st. If it isn't the case then it means Johnson will have had to extend the deadline. Either of those options would almost certainly mean the end of Boris Johnson as PM, something which is also achievable by other means such as a successful VONC.
I therefore suggest that Ladbroke's 5/1 on Boris Johnson being the shortest ever serving Prime Minister represents the better option if you're tempted by the revoke Art 50 market. That gives you until November 20th. That's a lot more juicy and I have just bet accordingly.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1155739652923580418
But in the end he will either have to blink himself or be forced out by a VONC.
'Everything is not awesome in Boris Johnson’s foursome'
https://tinyurl.com/y5drgpel
I daresay this won't go on HUYFD's list of endlessly repeatable sub samples.
'In the latest YouGov poll Scotland gives Johnson a thumbs down: 70 per cent are negative about him; 66 per cent don’t trust him and almost as many think he has extreme views and will make all the wrong decisions for the country.
Caveat: it is only a small sub-sample of the nationwide poll but you would need a rather large pinch of salt to convince yourself that there was not a problem for the Tories north of the border.'
For MPs they’ll find it easier to act if a combination of the following happens .
Panic buying in the supermarkets .
Pound crashing .
Businesses putting out relocation plans .
Under that scenario they can say we need to step in and the numbers in the Commons might grow to stop a no deal.
Only route to No Deal passes through Johnson winning an election with a working majority AND being serious himself about doing it. I judge both of those things to be doubtful.
And even if I'm wrong and he does win an election and he does want to No Deal the lay is still a winner unless it all gets done this year.
I'm hoping that the bombast and the rhetoric keeps flowing so that more and more punters get convinced, the price shortens, and I can lay lots more. I plan to go all in on this one just as I did - smug city and tootled trumpet - on 'no Ref2 in 2019'.
No-deal Brexit has suddenly gone serious. It is no longer an exercise in bombast and biceps-flexing. Boris Johnson is about to impose a massive economic sanction on his own country. He is playing with fire. It is a political stunt that has gone horribly wrong.
It is clearly reckless to assume a sensible Brexit deal before the due date of 31 October. Politicians can twiddle their thumbs, others cannot. Since March, the Tories decided collectively to stop working in the nation’s interest and play a game of chicken with Brussels. It has not worked. The government is now planning for crisis.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/no-deal-brexit-tory-joke-boris-johnson-economic-britain
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1155763543821758464
This is clown fest taken to a art form level.
For example we are leading the way in proposing to change the WA by removing the back stop.
If the EU showed the same amount of flexibility the back stop would be solved
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1155793772350967810
It is just a Unicorn deal, not a magic Unicorn. In Labour Magic is the preserve of Grandpa.
The only way to get something through parliament is a forced choice vote, and we know that they don't do forced choice votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Győr
The thing is Bozo won’t dare bring them back before 31st October as they can be amended .
At this point there are prob only two ways to avoid no deal , a VONC or Bercow using the nuclear option and allowing an emergency debate to include a motion that can be voted on and amended .
That could suspend the standing orders of the House .
None is the simple answer.
Yep. It makes about as much sense as the Tory plans.
We are left hoping Swinson and a government of national unity can save us from these two sets of idiots.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/28/mr-johnson-swears-off-early-election-sweaty-aroma-says-otherwise
Don't pack too much stuff love, your partner wont be living there long.
If BJ is still PM and unchallenged / not lost a VONC, what are the circumstances under which the EU will offer an extension?
The WA is presented to and passed by Parliament?
BJ stops no deal rhetoric and accepts WA?
BJ resigns?
There has to be a reason for an extension, I can't see what that could be with BJ as PM
We were supposed to use the last extension constructively. That didn't happen!
I don't see how the EU could offer extension with BJ 'secure' as PM
Questions are:
Am I wrong?
What gives, our PM or EU?
Meanwhile fat man on right hollers encouragement and Latin tags.
I think the thing to look out for is the emergency debate route . Bercow can effectively ignore the advice of his clerks and do whatever he likes .
And to my SNP friends I come from the 'Ruthie' side on this
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1155788310486421504
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/the-curious-reaction-to-a-niqab-wearing-homophobe/
Come on Owen Jones let's hear from you.
I live on the 2nd floor
I live upstairs from you
Yes I think you've seen me before
If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble
Some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
With apologies to Suzanne Vega
Otherwise it’s Russian Roulette.
* UK Parliament appoints somebody to speak for them in matters of Article 50 extensions, Boris is still there but that person makes the request for a delay while the UK works through its constitutional crisis
* Boris brings back the WA again this time under a Union Jack tea cosy, it doesn't pass Parliament but he gets an agreement to pass it subject to a binding referendum, asks for time to do that
* Boris and somebody on the EU side have some discussions about the Political Declaration, they say they were "productive" but they have not yet concluded, Boris asks for an extension and the rest of the EU grants it, since the alternative causes an immediate crisis and the EU has never yet seen a can and not kicked it
https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1155799355347144704
The EU is a united group of 27 countries with a clear strategy - preserving the EU and discouraging any other country from leaving - on which they are all agreed. They have level-headed and experienced leaders in most cases. Their total population is about 430m and their GDP is in the region of $18 trillion.
The PM leads a government which has no parliamentary or popular majority for its no deal Brexit policy. The PM is inexperienced, erratic and widely derided. His strategy is driven entirely by personal and party interests. Many of his supporters profess themselves happy to risk destroying their country in pursuit of Brexit. The UK has a population of 66m and GDP of about $2.5 trillion.
It's not very hard to work out which side will give.
If the EU are sticking to 'no change to the WA', then there's nothing to talk about, and we have a No Deal.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/preparing-brexit-no-deal-final.pdf
I had not realised that after we No Deal, the negotiations will be far more complex and protracted, as we are officially a 3rd country and not a A50 exiteer. Anything has to be ratified by all 27 state parliaments!
Johnson must be removed from office asap.
We leave without a deal, perfectly legally, if nothing happens between now and October 31st.
However, passing (and amending) certain legislation would make the process considerably more pleasant. If you look at https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/income-tax you can see the amount of revising work that needs to happen on a regular basis to avoid UK firms ending up in Double Taxation / Withholding Tax hell.
45% of voters back No Deal, 28% of voters want to revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU and just 13% of voters want to extend Article 50 past October until a Brexit Deal is done
https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-24th-july-2019/
Spain? (Gibraltar)
Ireland? (GFA)
France? (pissing themselves laughing)