AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
Lol. Suggest you read Tim Shipmans books or Dom Cummings blog diaries.
And were put you vigorously supporting May 2 months ago ?
Gauke on Newsnight saying he won't serve in a Boris cabinet.
He’s also making the point that those Tories talking about proroguing Parliament are making it easier for Corbyn to take such a step to push through an unpopular / extremist policy and impossible for them to criticise him.
Is there anyone in the Tories capable of thinking more than 5 minutes ahead?
Clearly there are. Just very, very few of them.
Emma Barnett on Newsnight gave the Hunt surrogate a pretty brutal going over, and Gauke a fairly hard time, too. She is good.
Emma Barnett is getting a very good reputation as an interviewer.
She surprised a few politicians when she was on Women’s Hour a couple of years ago, they thought they were going to get a “This Morning” sofa interview and didn’t realise she was a serious journalist who did her research and had difficult questions. Spent a decade at the Telegraph.
She is excellent. Her R5L show is worth a listen. You never get the impression that she has an agenda to push, nor is it apparent where her personal sympathies lie. She doesn't have the cynicism of a Paxman either, and can disarm, by complimenting a politician for being honest, or giving a good answer.
Yes, he is running for leader once Swinson and Corbyn have lost the next general election to Boris.
Chuka for PM 2024? You may as well start printing the badges and booking the website domain address now
My guess is Chuka will be back in the Labour party by then.
What happened to the last Labour MP who defected to the LibDems?
Paul Marsden recrossed the floor and went back to Labour.
No, I think Labour is now too far gone in the Corbynite direction, we may well be heading for the LDs overtaking Labour at the next general election as the main party of the centre left, certainly in voteshare and unless Corbyn commits to EUref2.
The Tories have likely avoided being overtaken as the main party of the right by the Brexit Party by contrast by in all likelihood picking Boris as their next leader
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
Lol. Suggest you read Tim Shipmans books or Dom Cummings blog diaries.
And were put you vigorously supporting May 2 months ago ?
Dom Cummings knew how vital it was to have Boris rather than Farage fronting the Leave campaign
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Nonetheless Livingstone won London twice, Boris was the only Tory to beat him
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Exactly.
Boris was pro-EU, was pro-immigration, pro-the City when he was London Mayor.
Now he’s against the first, has thrown in his lot with people who hate foreigners and immigrants and is adopting policies which will harm London and one of biggest earning sectors.
And yet @HYUFD thinks that those who voted for him then will stick with him now when he’s turned into Trump’s Mini-Me.
I don’t think so, sunshine. We have a Lib Dem alternative now in the capital.
Most likely Tuesday's ballot will be a run-off between Stewart and Raab.
Raab’s done. No chance.
He could pick up most of Leadsom and McVey's votes.
i am curious - who actually voted for mcvey?
The obvious answer would be her, her proposer, her seconder and her 6 other signatories. Who knows with the Tory MP rounds, it may even be the right answer!
Yes, he is running for leader once Swinson and Corbyn have lost the next general election to Boris.
Chuka for PM 2024? You may as well start printing the badges and booking the website domain address now
My guess is Chuka will be back in the Labour party by then.
What happened to the last Labour MP who defected to the LibDems?
Paul Marsden recrossed the floor and went back to Labour.
No, I think Labour is now too far gone in the Corbynite direction, we may well be heading for the LDs overtaking Labour at the next general election as the main party of the centre left, certainly in voteshare and unless Corbyn commits to EUref2.
The Tories have likely avoided being overtaken as the main party of the right by the Brexit Party by contrast by in all likelihood picking Boris as their next leader
David Starkey says Rory Stewart ideally suited to be PM on This Week unlike the 2 LD leadership campaign nonentities and Corbyn who could 'barely muster 2 Es at A Level and barely read a book since' and Boris who has only written a bad book on Churchill unlike Stewart who really could be Churchill. The only problem is Starkey says he is not really a Tory
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Nonetheless Livingstone won London twice, Boris was the only Tory to beat him
Only just. And mainly because of Livingstone’s repulsiveness, certainly by the second election, when Ken had started down the path of Jew-baiting and siding with Islamist extremists.
Would Boris have won against a better Labour candidate? I doubt it.
Too many Tories are believing in what they would like to be true rather than looking with a cold eye at the facts, both in relation to Boris and Brexit and, doubtless, much else besides.
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Exactly.
Boris was pro-EU, was pro-immigration, pro-the City when he was London Mayor.
Now he’s against the first, has thrown in his lot with people who hate foreigners and immigrants and is adopting policies which will harm London and one of biggest earning sectors.
And yet @HYUFD thinks that those who voted for him then will stick with him now when he’s turned into Trump’s Mini-Me.
I don’t think so, sunshine. We have a Lib Dem alternative now in the capital.
Boris is still pro City as his tax cut policy showed and is not as hardline on immigration as some Leavers, in any case he can win a UK general election and lose London. Indeed when he fronted the Leave campaign he won the UK while losing London
David Starkey says Rory Stewart ideally suited to be PM on This Week unlike the 2 LD leadership campaign nonentities and Corbyn who could 'barely muster 2 Es at A Level and barely read a book since' and Boris who has only written a bad book on Churchill unlike Stewart who really could be Churchill. The only problem is Starkey says he is not really a Tory
Gauke on Newsnight saying he won't serve in a Boris cabinet.
He’s also making the point that those Tories talking about proroguing Parliament are making it easier for Corbyn to take such a step to push through an unpopular / extremist policy and impossible for them to criticise him.
Is there anyone in the Tories capable of thinking more than 5 minutes ahead?
Clearly there are. Just very, very few of them.
Emma Barnett on Newsnight gave the Hunt surrogate a pretty brutal going over, and Gauke a fairly hard time, too. She is good.
Emma Barnett is getting a very good reputation as an interviewer.
She surprised a few politicians when she was on Women’s Hour a couple of years ago, they thought they were going to get a “This Morning” sofa interview and didn’t realise she was a serious journalist who did her research and had difficult questions. Spent a decade at the Telegraph.
She is excellent. Her R5L show is worth a listen. You never get the impression that she has an agenda to push, nor is it apparent where her personal sympathies lie. She doesn't have the cynicism of a Paxman either, and can disarm, by complimenting a politician for being honest, or giving a good answer.
Given the antics of the Lobby journalists this week, thinking it hilarious to ask candidates for party leader about animals or ramping their preferred candidate, it’s very refreshing to see that some journalists can do the job properly. Quite young too, only about 35. Hopefully we’ll see an increased profile for her, as the likes of Andrew Neil move to retirement.
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Nonetheless Livingstone won London twice, Boris was the only Tory to beat him
Livingstone wasn't a bad Mayor first time up, but he lost the plot and the job with it.
Boris was of course very well suited to London at the time - pro-Europe, pro-business, pro-immigration. Now of course he's fuck-Europe, fuck-business and fuck immigrants.
Gauke on Newsnight saying he won't serve in a Boris cabinet.
He’s also making the point that those Tories talking about proroguing Parliament are making it easier for Corbyn to take such a step to push through an unpopular / extremist policy and impossible for them to criticise him.
Is there anyone in the Tories capable of thinking more than 5 minutes ahead?
Clearly there are. Just very, very few of them.
Emma Barnett on Newsnight gave the Hunt surrogate a pretty brutal going over, and Gauke a fairly hard time, too. She is good.
Emma Barnett is getting a very good reputation as an interviewer.
She surprised a few politicians when she was on Women’s Hour a couple of years ago, they thought they were going to get a “This Morning” sofa interview and didn’t realise she was a serious journalist who did her research and had difficult questions. Spent a decade at the Telegraph.
She is excellent. Her R5L show is worth a listen. You never get the impression that she has an agenda to push, nor is it apparent where her personal sympathies lie. She doesn't have the cynicism of a Paxman either, and can disarm, by complimenting a politician for being honest, or giving a good answer.
I agree , I’ve been hugely impressed with her and she would have been great doing QT .
David Starkey says Rory Stewart ideally suited to be PM on This Week unlike the 2 LD leadership campaign nonentities and Corbyn who could 'barely muster 2 Es at A Level and barely read a book since' and Boris who has only written a bad book on Churchill unlike Stewart who really could be Churchill. The only problem is Starkey says he is not really a Tory
Neither was Churchill. Really a Tory that is.
Indeed, he was in the Liberals in the early 1900s. Neither was Thatcher really but a Gladstonian Liberal. Indeed many of the best Tory and Labour PMs are not really identified too closely with their party eg Blair was more a liberal than an Old Labour socialist too
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Nonetheless Livingstone won London twice, Boris was the only Tory to beat him
Only just. And mainly because of Livingstone’s repulsiveness, certainly by the second election, when Ken had started down the path of Jew-baiting and siding with Islamist extremists.
Would Boris have won against a better Labour candidate? I doubt it.
Too many Tories are believing in what they would like to be true rather than looking with a cold eye at the facts, both in relation to Boris and Brexit and, doubtless, much else besides.
Livingstone for all his faults was a better Mayor than Khan is proving to be
“If Rory was on the right side on Brexit he would be the right leader for the Tories”
He’s obviously not going to win the contest this time, where the delivery of Brexit is the key issue, but he’s done his chances of being next-but-one leader a whole lot of good.
Assuming we don’t get another contest this year, I’d say that Rory and Penny are favourites to win the leadership from the next generation.
Is anyone surprised by the situation in Hong Kong? I never thought China could be trusted to stick to their promise not to interfere for 50 years.
China has an increasingly nationalist leadership and Hong Kong was its main beacon of capitalism and democracy, Beijing though seems to want state managed capitalism or 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' and authoritarian government
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Exactly.
Boris was pro-EU, was pro-immigration, pro-the City when he was London Mayor.
Now he’s against the first, has thrown in his lot with people who hate foreigners and immigrants and is adopting policies which will harm London and one of biggest earning sectors.
And yet @HYUFD thinks that those who voted for him then will stick with him now when he’s turned into Trump’s Mini-Me.
I don’t think so, sunshine. We have a Lib Dem alternative now in the capital.
Boris is still pro City as his tax cut policy showed and is not as hardline on immigration as some Leavers, in any case he can win a UK general election and lose London. Indeed when he fronted the Leave campaign he won the UK while losing London
Oh give me a fucking break, please! He is not pro-City. Pulling out of the Single Market is one of those policies which will certainly damage the City, which will lose euro clearing, for a start. It will mean that the City will be subject to EU rules in order to have access to its market but have no say in those rules, a humiliating and dangerous position for Europe’s biggest financial centre to be in. A No Deal Brexit risks instability in financial markets. And it puts Britain’s financial centre in a weaker position vis a vis its competitors, not just the EU but the US and Asia.
And you think that a few tax cuts will counter that. Get real.
Still, your consistent reaction is always to say we don’t need those votes. Keep doing that and you’ll find one day you won’t have any more votes to lose.
AIUI, Boris has been asked precisely 6 questions during this campaign. Failed to answer any of them. OK that's enough scrutiny folks...
How does “Election Winner Boris” expect to get through a GE hidden away May style ?
Or even do PMQs.
He won't Boris was front and centre of 2 Mayoral elections and the referendum campaign as the Leave frontman and answered plenty of Ministerial Questions in the Commons as Foreign Secretary
Your faith in those two Mayoral elections when his policies and political positioning were the complete opposite of what they are now is touching, if deluded.
He was poor at answering questions at City Hall and not particularly good in the Commons either.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Nonetheless Livingstone won London twice, Boris was the only Tory to beat him
Only just. And mainly because of Livingstone’s repulsiveness, certainly by the second election, when Ken had started down the path of Jew-baiting and siding with Islamist extremists.
Would Boris have won against a better Labour candidate? I doubt it.
Too many Tories are believing in what they would like to be true rather than looking with a cold eye at the facts, both in relation to Boris and Brexit and, doubtless, much else besides.
Exactly . They keep bringing up London but he beat a poor candidate and he was seen as a Liberal conservative then . Even I didn’t mind Bozo when he was mayor of London . The mask has fallen now though.
His team’s reason for not exposing him to scrutiny - that he might say something stupid or reveal himself to be an arse - unwittingly reveals a critical weakness reinforcing peoples’ doubts about his fitness for office.
They weren't, Boris won in the suburbs and with a tough on crime message, not the Remain central inner city.
Boris is probably the best campaigner in British politics today, if he had not been fronting the Leave campaign Remain would likely have won
I have voted Conservative twice in my life. One of these occasions was for Boris.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
Exactly.
Boris was pro-EU, was pro-immigration, pro-the City when he was London Mayor.
Now he’s against the first, has thrown in his lot with people who hate foreigners and immigrants and is adopting policies which will harm London and one of biggest earning sectors.
And yet @HYUFD thinks that those who voted for him then will stick with him now when he’s turned into Trump’s Mini-Me.
I don’t think so, sunshine. We have a Lib Dem alternative now in the capital.
Boris is still pro City as his tax cut policy showed and is not as hardline on immigration as some Leavers, idon
Oh give me a fucking break, please! He is not pro-City. Pulling out of the Single Market is one of those policies which will certainly damage the City, which will lose euro clearing, for a start. It will mean that the City will be subject to EU rules in order to have access to its market but have no say in those rules, a humiliating and dangerous position for Europe’s biggest financial centre to be in. A No Deal Brexit risks instability in financial markets. And it puts Britain’s financial centre in a weaker position vis a vis its competitors, not just the EU but the US and Asia.
And you think that a few tax cuts will counter that. Get real.
Still, your consistent reaction is always to say we don’t need those votes. Keep doing that and you’ll find one day you won’t have any more votes to lose.
As opposed to you refusing to accept the Leave vote and refusing to accept it meant getting back control of our laws from the ECJ and our borders.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
There's £496 available at 1.1 on Boris being one of the two people to advance to the membership stage - £49 of free money if you have £490 to spare till next Tuesday, I'd think.
Portillo says it is not that politics lacks brains but spines
Its both, depending on the person. Someone having spine is no good if they show it on something brainless. It's like praising someone as principled, when their principles might be awful.
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
Sexual: someone under-age. Or details of some sex/drugs orgy, possibly with a theme, especially if there are pictures or very recent or in the office.
Financial: where money for his campaign is coming from eg Russia. Or accepting a bribe for pushing a project, say.
Some revolting association or really unguarded comment eg an after-dinner speech at some really repellent far-right organisation.
Something along those lines is not, I think, priced in and might change the narrative.
I should stress I am purely speculating. I am NOT remotely suggesting that there is anything of the kind to come out.
But some sort of scandal like this is way beyond the normal adulterous bastard picture, which people might shrug off, and could derail even an otherwise popular candidate.
Portillo backs Boris on This Week and says he hopes he wins a landslide
Good heavens Liz Kendall looks cute on tonight’s show
The Labour Rory Stewart
IF. They could get her and Rory, along with Ruth Davidson, Watson, Burnham and a number of other big beasts, there is a potential Centrist landslide. We are still light years from it though.
Interesting how Rory supporters are spinning 19 votes as carrying more weight than the 70 votes that went to Raab, Javid and Hancock.
Especially when it seems half his votes seem to have come from the Grieve/Gauke we will VONC our own party Remainer caucus. Which is not especially large. Not sure were more should come from.
There's £496 available at 1.1 on Boris being one of the two people to advance to the membership stage - £49 of free money if you have £490 to spare till next Tuesday, I'd think.
A lot of money to risk on Boris not making a fool of himself between now and the next rounds.
Portillo backs Boris on This Week and says he hopes he wins a landslide
Good heavens Liz Kendall looks cute on tonight’s show
The Labour Rory Stewart
IF. They could get her and Rory, along with Ruth Davidson, Watson, Burnham and a number of other big beasts, there is a potential Centrist landslide. We are still light years from it though.
Any evidence for that? We don't seem to have a bell curve in British politics at the moment. More of a u shaped parabola. The two extremes have a lot of people in them and the centre has been hollowed out.
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
Is Umunna standing for the LibDems leadership? After the Orange Book coup, this would really upset those few supporters who stayed around for Clegg.
I think his switch might have been useful to the LibDems if he'd gone straight away. The detour via ChUK and the split in that prompts mild amusement rather than anything else.
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
Wasn't Gove's cocaine experiences published in a biography of him a year or two ago?
Perhaps the ultimate, non-politician, example is the Catholic Church Child Abuse Scandal. The accusations and evidence were in the public domain for years. For some reason some of the reporting finally triggered something and it became a huge story with huge awareness.
Oh give me a fucking break, please! He is not pro-City. Pulling out of the Single Market is one of those policies which will certainly damage the City, which will lose euro clearing, for a start. It will mean that the City will be subject to EU rules in order to have access to its market but have no say in those rules, a humiliating and dangerous position for Europe’s biggest financial centre to be in. A No Deal Brexit risks instability in financial markets. And it puts Britain’s financial centre in a weaker position vis a vis its competitors, not just the EU but the US and Asia.
And you think that a few tax cuts will counter that. Get real.
Still, your consistent reaction is always to say we don’t need those votes. Keep doing that and you’ll find one day you won’t have any more votes to lose.
As opposed to you refusing to accept the Leave vote and refusing to accept it meant getting back control of our laws from the ECJ and our borders.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
Sexual: someone under-age. Or details of some sex/drugs orgy, possibly with a theme, especially if there are pictures or very recent or in the office.
Financial: where money for his campaign is coming from eg Russia. Or accepting a bribe for pushing a project, say.
Some revolting association or really unguarded comment eg an after-dinner speech at some really repellent far-right organisation.
Something along those lines is not, I think, priced in and might change the narrative.
I should stress I am purely speculating. I am NOT remotely suggesting that there is anything of the kind to come out.
But some sort of scandal like this is way beyond the normal adulterous bastard picture, which people might shrug off, and could derail even an otherwise popular candidate.
Is Umunna standing for the LibDems leadership? After the Orange Book coup, this would really upset those few supporters who stayed around for Clegg.
I think his switch might have been useful to the LibDems if he'd gone straight away. The detour via ChUK and the split in that prompts mild amusement rather than anything else.
Ironically, having the joined the party after 7 June, he doesn't even get a vote at the members ballot stage.
In any case, he's wisely said in his joining interview that he's a fan of both and won't be taking sides. I imagine he's closer to Swinson given Davey's stated views of the TIG MPs, but he's smart enough to keep it to himself.
As opposed to you refusing to accept the Leave vote and refusing to accept it meant getting back control of our laws from the ECJ and our borders.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
No, not implementing Brexit makes Corbyn more likely as it splits the Leave vote between the Brexit Party and Tories.
Implementing Brexit tough splits the Remain vote between Labour and the LDs and makes a Corbyn premiership less likely, especially the longer he holds out against EUref2.
Trade deals are negotiations, some give, some take but it will be us doing the negotiating, already trade deals are near concluded with Switzerland, Australia, South Korea etc on reasonably fair terms.
On mandates YouGov has 52% of Leavers saying staying in the Customs Union and Single Market would be a bad result from Brexit only 13% good, Remainers by contrast say it would be good by 28% to 20%
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
Taking cocaine in the office or on foreign trips might or giving it to friends etc.
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
Portillo backs Boris on This Week and says he hopes he wins a landslide
Good heavens Liz Kendall looks cute on tonight’s show
The Labour Rory Stewart
IF. They could get her and Rory, along with Ruth Davidson, Watson, Burnham and a number of other big beasts, there is a potential Centrist landslide. We are still light years from it though.
Any evidence for that? We don't seem to have a bell curve in British politics at the moment. More of a u shaped parabola. The two extremes have a lot of people in them and the centre has been hollowed out.
Not really any evidence. My comment was more in agreement with your analysis. IF a large number of things fell exactly right, so the "Centre" became so broad and all- encompassingly woolly that it covered 40% of the electorate, and isolated the Left and Right on 30% each, then a landslide was,possible. But, as I said, we are light years away.
As opposed to you refusing to accept the Leave vote and refusing to accept it meant getting back control of our laws from the ECJ and our borders.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
No, not implementing Brexit makes Corbyn more likely as it splits the Leave vote between the Brexit Party and Tories.
Implementing Brexit tough splits the Remain vote between Labour and the LDs and makes a Corbyn premiership less likely, especially the longer he holds out against EUref2.
Trade deals are negotiations, some give, some take but it will in the Customs Union and Single Market would be a bad result from Brexit only 13% good, Remainers by contrast say it would be good by 28% to 20%
YouGov also has 39% of British voters thinking immigration has been a net benefit to their country, tied with the USA and compared to just 18% in Germany and 17% in France and 21% in Finland. Only 37% of British voters think immigration has been a net negative to their country compared to 53% in Germany and 51% in Finland and 47% in France
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
No, not implementing Brexit makes Corbyn more likely as it splits the Leave vote between the Brexit Party and Tories.
Implementing Brexit tough splits the Remain vote between Labour and the LDs and makes a Corbyn premiership less likely, especially the longer he holds out against EUref2.
Trade deals are negotiations, some give, some take but it will be us doing the negotiating, already trade deals are near concluded with Switzerland, Australia, South Korea etc on reasonably fair terms.
On mandates YouGov has 52% of Leavers saying staying in the Customs Union and Single Market would be a bad result from Brexit only 13% good, Remainers by contrast say it would be good by 28% to 20%
Go on holding onto your dreams. We all need them. Reality will bite soon enough. Goodnight.
As opposed to you refusing to accept the Leave vote and refusing to accept it meant getting back control of our laws from the ECJ and our borders.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
No, not implementing Brexit makes Corbyn more likely as it splits the Leave vote between the Brexit Party and Tories.
Implementing Brexit tough splits the Remain vote between Labour and the LDs and makes a Corbyn premiership less likely, especially the longer he holds out against EUref2.
Trade deals are negotiations, some give, some take but rms.
On mandates YouGov has 52% of Leavers saying staying in the Customs Union and Single Market would be a bad result from Brexit only 13% good, Remainers by contrast say it would be good by 28% to 20%
Well Portillo seems to have finally gotten over his 11 year sulk at Boris becoming London Mayor rather than him as he was a full frontaled Johnsonite on This Week tonight.
What if Boris Johnson's support amongst MPs has actually pretty much topped out in this first round and his numbers don't rise much in subsequent rounds? Sure he will be one of the two going forward but thats not exactly a supine bunch at Westminster that he will have to deal with.
Part of me is counting down to some kind of revelation about him doing the rounds soon. Contrary to Matthew Parris' observation about everything being baked in regarding Johnson, there is always the possibility of something.
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
Taking cocaine in the office or on foreign trips might or giving it to friends etc.
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
It was the Iranian Government that jailed that mother and they and they alone are to blame, trying to blame Boris really is ridiculous, indeed I would say outrageous
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
Taking cocaine in the office or on foreign trips might or giving it to friends etc.
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
It was the Iranian Government that jailed that mother and they and they alone are to blame, trying to blame Boris really is ridiculous, indeed I would say outrageous
The Iranian lady is a dual Irani citizen, under international law there isn’t anything that can be done by the British government to get her back.
Much more concerning is the case of Matthew Hedges.
He eventually got deported back to the U.K. thanks to Jeremy Hunt’s personal intervention.
The story is that he was arrested for spying, but the U.K. foreign office under Boris was so disfunctional that it failed to follow the usual protocols that exist to identify spies - so the UAE govt sent him for trial rather than simply deporting him, and that process had to be allowed to play through the courts here.
Rory Stewart will be out by Tuesday, he is basically a Lib Dem
British voters: 25% Genuine Conservative (vote Brexit Party etc) 20% Genuine Labour (like Corbyn etc) 55% Basically LibDems
Fair enough, the problem is some on PB want 100% of our political parties to basically be LDs (plus of course it depends on the issue on crime, immigration etc voters tend to take a harder line then the LDs and they also back renationalising the railways etc unlike the LDs)
What exactly could come out that isn't priced in? Anything sexual is already being priced in, he's minted so unlikely to be financial, everyone already trusts him about as far as they can throw him - seriously what is there left to come?
There’s plenty of stories that, while in the public domain and well known among politics geeks, haven’t yet been on the front pages and seen a wider audience. I also imagine that someone has something new on him for this Sunday’s papers.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
Taking cocaine in the office or on foreign trips might or giving it to friends etc.
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
It was the Iranian Government that jailed that mother and they and they alone are to blame, trying to blame Boris really is ridiculous, indeed I would say outrageous
The Iranian lady is a dual Irani citizen, under international law there isn’t anything that can be done by the British government to get her back.
Much more concerning is the case of Matthew Hedges.
He eventually got deported back to the U.K. thanks to Jeremy Hunt’s personal intervention.
The story is that he was arrested for spying, but the U.K. foreign office under Boris was so disfunctional that it failed to follow the usual protocols that exist to identify spies - so the UAE govt sent him for trial rather than simply deporting him, and that process had to be allowed to play through the courts here.
It is all priced in, everyone knows Boris has masses of skeletons, his supporters don't care, his opponents already dislike him. It would take something seriously criminal to derail him and taking drugs for his own use does not fall in that category even if illegal
Taking cocaine in the office or on foreign trips might or giving it to friends etc.
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
It was the Iranian Government that jailed that mother and they and they alone are to blame, trying to blame Boris really is ridiculous, indeed I would say outrageous
The Iranian lady is a dual Irani citizen, under international law there isn’t anything that can be done by the British government to get her back.
Much more concerning is the case of Matthew Hedges.
He eventually got deported back to the U.K. thanks to Jeremy Hunt’s personal intervention.
The story is that he was arrested for spying, but the U.K. foreign office under Boris was so disfunctional that it failed to follow the usual protocols that exist to identify spies - so the UAE govt sent him for trial rather than simply deporting him, and that process had to be allowed to play through the courts here.
That’s the other way around though, she’s an Iranian woman who once lived in the U.K. who’s now being charged in Iran with being a British spy. Not a British problem.
Once again you misrepresent me. I have consistently said that I would be OK with leaving with a deal. It is No Deal I am against because that was not the basis on which the referendum was won and so it has no mandate.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
It takes two to tango.
If the EU refuses to give us a decent deal then what are we supposed to do?
If the EU says you can Brexit and we can give you a trade deal but you must sign up that you will follow our laws in full, you won't get a say in them and there is no way out of this agreement then are we just supposed to sign that?
If they said you can exit but instead of paying £9bn per annum we now want you to pay £18bn are we just supposed to sign that?
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Chuka for PM 2024? You may as well start printing the badges and booking the website domain address now
What happened to the last Labour MP who defected to the LibDems?
Paul Marsden recrossed the floor and went back to Labour.
It had nothing to do with his message on crime, nor his views on Europe. It had everything to do with his opponent being Ken Livingstone.
And were put you vigorously supporting May 2 months ago ?
The Tories have likely avoided being overtaken as the main party of the right by the Brexit Party by contrast by in all likelihood picking Boris as their next leader
Boris was pro-EU, was pro-immigration, pro-the City when he was London Mayor.
Now he’s against the first, has thrown in his lot with people who hate foreigners and immigrants and is adopting policies which will harm London and one of biggest earning sectors.
And yet @HYUFD thinks that those who voted for him then will stick with him now when he’s turned into Trump’s Mini-Me.
I don’t think so, sunshine. We have a Lib Dem alternative now in the capital.
“If Rory was on the right side on Brexit he would be the right leader for the Tories”
Would Boris have won against a better Labour candidate? I doubt it.
Too many Tories are believing in what they would like to be true rather than looking with a cold eye at the facts, both in relation to Boris and Brexit and, doubtless, much else besides.
Boris was of course very well suited to London at the time - pro-Europe, pro-business, pro-immigration. Now of course he's fuck-Europe, fuck-business and fuck immigrants.
You are welcome to him.
Assuming we don’t get another contest this year, I’d say that Rory and Penny are favourites to win the leadership from the next generation.
And you think that a few tax cuts will counter that. Get real.
Still, your consistent reaction is always to say we don’t need those votes. Keep doing that and you’ll find one day you won’t have any more votes to lose.
The Stapleford Alliance was IIRC in effect a LibDem splinter group. Stapleford SE is normally LibDem, so this result is pretty much no change.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9291187/matt-hancock-drop-out-tory-leadership-race/
"MATT Hancock was considering dropping out of the race for PM after winning finishing second from bottom in the first round of voting."
Makes it extremely unlikely he will get any further. If he doesn't drop out I think he will he bottom next time.
The City is also more concerned about Corbynism than it is about Brexit, even hard Brexit
Still a Labour to Tory swing though
Mark who?
Financial: where money for his campaign is coming from eg Russia. Or accepting a bribe for pushing a project, say.
Some revolting association or really unguarded comment eg an after-dinner speech at some really repellent far-right organisation.
Something along those lines is not, I think, priced in and might change the narrative.
I should stress I am purely speculating. I am NOT remotely suggesting that there is anything of the kind to come out.
But some sort of scandal like this is way beyond the normal adulterous bastard picture, which people might shrug off, and could derail even an otherwise popular candidate.
As was suggested on here earlier, start by asking him when he last look cocaine, how many children does he support financially, and when did he last see his daughter born in 2009?
Perhaps the ultimate, non-politician, example is the Catholic Church Child Abuse Scandal. The accusations and evidence were in the public domain for years. For some reason some of the reporting finally triggered something and it became a huge story with huge awareness.
I am also much more realistic than you about how much effective control over its laws Britain will actually regain in practice. It will not regain control of its laws or borders when it has to do what other countries will demand in order to get these blessed FTAs. Google the US trade tribunals to see how much control of our laws a trade agreement with the US will give us. It’s a big fat round number - zero. Or look at what India demanded in return for a trade agreement: more immigration to Britain.
Brexit, especially a No Deal Brexit, both makes Corbyn more likely and makes it easier for him to inflict harmful policies on Britain.
Brexiteers like you are Corbyn’s little helpers, his useful idiots. If/when he comes to power one of the few things to look forward to is Tories getting the heeby jeebies at him implementing policies which they will have helped enable and wondering why there is no ECJ to protect them or stop him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2361999/Boris-Johnsons-friend-Darius-Guppy-admits-horrifying-attack-journalist-insulted-wife.html
In any case, he's wisely said in his joining interview that he's a fan of both and won't be taking sides. I imagine he's closer to Swinson given Davey's stated views of the TIG MPs, but he's smart enough to keep it to himself.
Implementing Brexit tough splits the Remain vote between Labour and the LDs and makes a Corbyn premiership less likely, especially the longer he holds out against EUref2.
Trade deals are negotiations, some give, some take but it will be us doing the negotiating, already trade deals are near concluded with Switzerland, Australia, South Korea etc on reasonably fair terms.
On mandates YouGov has 52% of Leavers saying staying in the Customs Union and Single Market would be a bad result from Brexit only 13% good, Remainers by contrast say it would be good by 28% to 20%
Again, hypothetical speculation about what might be beyond what we are used to.
Personally I thought his mis-speaking about the Ratcliffe lady in Iran and his petulant refusal to apologise was the pits. He may well have contributed to that poor woman suffering even more time in prison and her child’s increasing separation from her mother. Unforgivable.
Greens 26.5%
Union 24%
AfD 13.5%
SPD 13%
FDP 9%
Linke 7.5%
Others 6.5%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/13/whats-impact-immigration-according-europeans-and-a
Maybe a seat of the Lords is on its way
25% Genuine Conservative (vote Brexit Party etc)
20% Genuine Labour (like Corbyn etc)
55% Basically LibDems
Greens 26.1%
Union 25.9%
SPD 12.7%
AfD 12.4%
FDP 8.2%
Linke 7.4%
Others 7.5%
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahl_zum_20._Deutschen_Bundestag/Umfragen_und_Prognosen#Mittelwerte_der_jeweils_aktuellen_Umfrage_aller_Institute
Much more concerning is the case of Matthew Hedges.
He eventually got deported back to the U.K. thanks to Jeremy Hunt’s personal intervention.
The story is that he was arrested for spying, but the U.K. foreign office under Boris was so disfunctional that it failed to follow the usual protocols that exist to identify spies - so the UAE govt sent him for trial rather than simply deporting him, and that process had to be allowed to play through the courts here.
https://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts/british-spying-trial-matthew-hedges-sentenced-to-life-in-jail-by-abu-dhabi-court-1.794267
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/13/iranian-woman-working-british-council-jailed-spying-uk/
Decision on ‘consolidation’ imminent after former foreign secretary’s crushing victory"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/13/tory-leadership-rivals-discuss-alliance-to-stop-boris-johnson
If the EU refuses to give us a decent deal then what are we supposed to do?
If the EU says you can Brexit and we can give you a trade deal but you must sign up that you will follow our laws in full, you won't get a say in them and there is no way out of this agreement then are we just supposed to sign that?
If they said you can exit but instead of paying £9bn per annum we now want you to pay £18bn are we just supposed to sign that?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/13/grow-stop-calling-c-word-live-air-jeremy-hunt-tells-broadcasters/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget