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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    In a huge shock, David Amess has decided to vote for Dominic Raab.

    https://twitter.com/amessd_southend/status/1139103584317071361
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    One aspect of Bozo becoming PM.

    A so called true believer . Will the right wing press spin the smallest of concessions from the EU as a massive victory .

    They’re desperate to say , there see it’s May the non believers fault we’re in this mess .

    I despise Bozo but if anyone can spin not very much into something wonderful he can .

    In terms of the backstop there’s possibly only one thing that can be done and something Katya Adler mentioned .

    If you have a system whereby elements of the backstop fall away as alternative arrangements come in . Bozo could say there I’m confident we can do this . And spin it .


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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2019

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,233

    Pandering to Donald Trump's racism is a new low for this country, but it is something we will have to get used to when Johnson becomes PM.

    Basil D'Oliveira not picked for the England cricket tour of South Africa in 1968.

    Sajid Javid omitted from the Trump dinner in 2019.

    Key difference (other than the obvious) - the first abomination was reversed.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141
    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Nigelb said:

    The Saj unhappy about non invite, with some justification it would appear.

    https://twitter.com/Jacqui_Smith1/status/1139105348470673408

    Even odder that he apparently wanted to go.
    True, there does not seem to be a plausible explanation as why our current home secretary Sajid Javid was not invited.
    It has a terrible smell of racism about it.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    Rationally I ought to press my bets. Trouble is, everything is so nicely balanced as they are.

    It’s a battle of nerves and this is squeaky bum time.

    If your analysis is rational: hold your nerve.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    TGOHF said:
    Surely we already knew Boris's views?
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790
    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905
    Scott_P said:
    Is this going to do any better than the attempted dragging of Boris to court?

    Offensive speech certainly,
    racist speech possibly,
    incitement to violence no,
    comments aimed at a specific individual no.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,308
    nico67 said:

    One aspect of Bozo becoming PM.

    A so called true believer . Will the right wing press spin the smallest of concessions from the EU as a massive victory .

    They’re desperate to say , there see it’s May the non believers fault we’re in this mess .

    I despise Bozo but if anyone can spin not very much into something wonderful he can .

    In terms of the backstop there’s possibly only one thing that can be done and something Katya Adler mentioned .

    If you have a system whereby elements of the backstop fall away as alternative arrangements come in . Bozo could say there I’m confident we can do this . And spin it .


    They absolutely will. That must be Boris's plan: revive Theresa's deal (possibly with some trivial 'amendments') then sit back as the joyous right-wing media/Tory party dance around the Boris maypole.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688
    Nigelb said:

    The Saj unhappy about non invite, with some justification it would appear.

    https://twitter.com/Jacqui_Smith1/status/1139105348470673408

    Even odder that he apparently wanted to go.
    Appreciate you are injecting some humour here but it does seem disturbing if he was not invited when previous Home Secretary's always have been.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    The Tory Party is now beyond parody. I might even start advocating Scottish independence and ask you if I can have political asylum.
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    argyllrsargyllrs Posts: 155
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.
    5% + a vote for themselves
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,824

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Wiki says NO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Jenkyns
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,648

    Nigelb said:

    The Saj unhappy about non invite, with some justification it would appear.

    https://twitter.com/Jacqui_Smith1/status/1139105348470673408

    Even odder that he apparently wanted to go.
    Appreciate you are injecting some humour here but it does seem disturbing if he was not invited when previous Home Secretary's always have been.
    It is indeed very strange.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    kinabalu said:

    Pandering to Donald Trump's racism is a new low for this country, but it is something we will have to get used to when Johnson becomes PM.

    Basil D'Oliveira not picked for the England cricket tour of South Africa in 1968.

    Sajid Javid omitted from the Trump dinner in 2019.

    Key difference (other than the obvious) - the first abomination was reversed.
    We've pandered to US racism in the past.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688
    edited June 2019

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    So he's really called Clifford? Not much better really is it.

    Edit: perhaps he should have been called Cliff-edge?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    edited June 2019

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    I've never really got the argument that the modern Conservative Party is so extreme as to be beyond the pale, on the part of people who voted Conservative in the Seventies and Eighties, when you had MP's demanding repatriation or the recriminalisation of homosexuality.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,824
    I suppose this pair of sinful adulterers were voting Boris! :D

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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.
    The talking heads are saying it is the 5%, 10% threshold plus the leadership contenders own vote. So 16 other MPs plus 1 own vote.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    In response to @isam, I have written a number of headers since the referendum result which were more sympathetic to the Brexit position or to those who voted for it than you might suppose from my current views.

    See here -

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/12/uniting-the-country/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/18/cyclefree-on-the-perils-of-hubris/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/09/30/a-new-settlement-for-europe/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/14/cyclefree-with-a-mischievous-suggestion/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/07/terms-of-endearment/

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/05/28/taking-back-control/

    And if I've become more pro-Remain than I was then it's very largely because of the behaviour of so many of those pushing Brexit. That is something which they ought to reflect on. They have done very little to try and get a consensus about the way forward which will last. That is a shocking failure and pointing to the Remainers' similar failure in the past is no answer.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    argyllrs said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.
    5% + a vote for themselves
    +1
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    ...Says a rather angry and rude @Casino_Royale :wink:
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is this going to do any better than the attempted dragging of Boris to court?

    Offensive speech certainly,
    racist speech possibly,
    incitement to violence no,
    comments aimed at a specific individual no.
    I thought it was a libel claim in relation to the comments made by Corbyn at a pro-Palestinian event where he talked about Jews lacking irony etc and at which the claimant, Richard Millett, was present.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    One things for sure .

    Brexit has caused other EU countries to think again about embarking on the same course of action .

    Support for the EU has gone up , more Eurosceptic leaders now talk about staying in and making changes from within the EU not leaving .

    For Leavers they won’t be getting any validation from another EU country , but they can of course run along to Trump to get given a little pat on the head !

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    edited June 2019

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    So he's really called Clifford? Not much better really is it.

    Edit: perhaps he should have been called Cliff-edge?
    I think they named him after the late father of Andrea Jenkyns.

    Edit - Here’s the linky

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jack-lopresti-calls-son-brexit-1004677
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,790

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
    Do you work?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
    Yes. You should.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    edited June 2019
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm not sure Leadsom can get 17 votes. She could be knocked out of the race in 2 hours and 10 minutes.

    Morning all,

    So in this contest, there's a minimum threshold of votes, not just the last-placed candidate obliged to withdraw?
    Morning. That's correct, in the first round it's 5%, and 10% in all other rounds. Funny thing is that it's being reported that this will be 17 votes and 33 votes respectively, even though 5% of 313 is 15.65, so you'd think it would be 16 and 32.
    The talking heads are saying it is the 5%, 10% threshold plus the leadership contenders own vote. So 16 other MPs plus 1 own vote.



    Thanks, will be interesting to see how many survive beyond 1pm!

    Fun fact in 2016 was that Theresa May won an outright majority (just about!) in the first ballot, given Dave abstained.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    So he's really called Clifford? Not much better really is it.

    Edit: perhaps he should have been called Cliff-edge?
    I think they named him after the late father of Andrea Jenkyns.

    Edit - Here’s the linky

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jack-lopresti-calls-son-brexit-1004677
    Yeah Wiki says the same.

    I had to check because after posting I thought maybe 'Brexit Clifford' (Brexit Cliff-edge) was the nickname and the poor mite's real name was something more mundane.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905
    edited June 2019
    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is this going to do any better than the attempted dragging of Boris to court?

    Offensive speech certainly,
    racist speech possibly,
    incitement to violence no,
    comments aimed at a specific individual no.
    I thought it was a libel claim in relation to the comments made by Corbyn at a pro-Palestinian event where he talked about Jews lacking irony etc and at which the claimant, Richard Millett, was present.
    Ah okay, so it will get tested in court then. That could be very awkward indeed for Mr Corbyn, not to mention very expensive to defend.

    Did you enjoy NY (apart from the airport experience and having your speech cancelled)?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    TGOHF said:
    Surely we already knew Boris's views?
    "Brexit isn't like coursework, baby!" :lol:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Hunt now longer than Leadsom whilst Boris shortens further!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688
    nico67 said:

    One things for sure .

    Brexit has caused other EU countries to think again about embarking on the same course of action .

    Support for the EU has gone up , more Eurosceptic leaders now talk about staying in and making changes from within the EU not leaving .

    For Leavers they won’t be getting any validation from another EU country , but they can of course run along to Trump to get given a little pat on the head !

    That can't be right - after we leave the whole evil empire is going to collapse under the domino effect surely?
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,308
    nico67 said:

    One things for sure .

    Brexit has caused other EU countries to think again about embarking on the same course of action .

    Support for the EU has gone up , more Eurosceptic leaders now talk about staying in and making changes from within the EU not leaving .

    For Leavers they won’t be getting any validation from another EU country , but they can of course run along to Trump to get given a little pat on the head !

    Trump's a bit unpredictable though. I can imagine him suddenly deciding that EU membership is quite cool after all and tweeting accordingly. That would then only leave us with Vlad and Tony Abbott.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141
    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
    Do you work?
    What a stupidly pants question.

    Do you work? Does Ms Free? Does Mr Meeks? Does it matter?

    There are a whole host of commentators on here who write quality threaders and give many good comments despite holding down (sometimes rather hard) jobs.




    And then there's me... ;)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905
    edited June 2019

    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
    Was the circumstance not that he was married at the time, and his wife left him when she found out about the pregnancy?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4440892/Tory-MP-Jack-Lopresti-facing-deselection-calls.html
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
    Do you work?
    What a stupidly pants question.

    Do you work? Does Ms Free? Does Mr Meeks? Does it matter?

    There are a whole host of commentators on here who write quality threaders and give many good comments despite holding down (sometimes rather hard) jobs.




    And then there's me... ;)
    Fair enough. Point taken.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,260
    Ken Clarke, laid back as ever, just makes the deadline apparently to vote for Rory.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141
    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
    Was the circumstance not that he was married at the time, and his wife left him when she found out about the pregnancy?
    Ah, an action with far reaching and unintended consequences.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    That can't be right - after we leave the whole evil empire is going to collapse under the domino effect surely?

    The vague domino effect thing is another data point for the "Brexit is the Tory Vietnam" theory
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    The BoJo effect is confusing. Everyone on here seems to hate him, yet he seems popular in the polling. I look upon him as an amiable clown, and if he becomes PM, so what?

    PMs are figureheads, like the POTUS. They need to pick the right people to do the jobs, not try to do it themselves.

    You only know how they'll go when they do the job.

    One up-side of the Brexit log-jam is the rose-tinted spectacles worn by some Remainers need a polish. They are looking after number one, and will always do so. On their terms. The 'if we're nice to them and give way' hope that they'll respond is childish.

    Said it before, but anyone that believes in something so mind numbingly puerile as Brexit accusing anyone else of childishness is ironic in the extreme. Go and read your war comic and stop trying to play with the grown-ups.
    You really are an unpleasant piece of work, aren’t you?

    I can’t think of a single post you’ve made that’s contributed anything to this site.

    You don’t offer insight, perspective, humour, tips or analysis; you’re just an angry and rude keyboard ranter.
    oh dear, touched a nerve. I have added quite a number of insights relating to the constitution, correct understanding of how the EU works (contrary to people like you) and how the Conservative Party used to be before it was taken over by insanity. I believe in prosperity, the rule of law, and human decency, which is why I am vociferously opposed to fascism and puerile and divisive philosophies like Brexit, and I will continue to mock stupid posts like the one I previously commented on. If that makes me an unpleasant piece of work in your tiny mind I really couldn't give a shit, but you, mate, advocate a hateful divisive policy called Brexit, so take the beam out of your own eye. Now I ought to do some work!
    Do you work?
    What a stupidly pants question.

    Do you work? Does Ms Free? Does Mr Meeks? Does it matter?

    There are a whole host of commentators on here who write quality threaders and give many good comments despite holding down (sometimes rather hard) jobs.




    And then there's me... ;)
    And me too, unfortunately :(
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    So he's really called Clifford? Not much better really is it.

    Edit: perhaps he should have been called Cliff-edge?
    I think they named him after the late father of Andrea Jenkyns.

    Edit - Here’s the linky

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jack-lopresti-calls-son-brexit-1004677
    Yeah Wiki says the same.

    I had to check because after posting I thought maybe 'Brexit Clifford' (Brexit Cliff-edge) was the nickname and the poor mite's real name was something more mundane.
    What an appalling nickname to foist on an innocent child. Couldn't they just have eaten him, as Tories are supposed to do?
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    Re the Leadsom odds, one possible explanation is that somebody out there knows there is a story that will force Johnson out. In that case, she suddenly becomes a strong candidate - it would be her, Raab and McVey for the Brexit vote.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    So he's really called Clifford? Not much better really is it.

    Edit: perhaps he should have been called Cliff-edge?
    I think they named him after the late father of Andrea Jenkyns.

    Edit - Here’s the linky

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jack-lopresti-calls-son-brexit-1004677
    Yeah Wiki says the same.

    I had to check because after posting I thought maybe 'Brexit Clifford' (Brexit Cliff-edge) was the nickname and the poor mite's real name was something more mundane.
    What an appalling nickname to foist on an innocent child. Couldn't they just have eaten him, as Tories are supposed to do?
    Oh come on, do you know nothing of baby eating? You have to fatten them up first.
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Ken Clarke, laid back as ever, just makes the deadline apparently to vote for Rory.

    Will there be a 100% turnout?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,233

    They absolutely will. That must be Boris's plan: revive Theresa's deal (possibly with some trivial 'amendments') then sit back as the joyous right-wing media/Tory party dance around the Boris maypole.

    I think so. All this 'No Deal' stuff is just to get the job.

    'Boris Bikes', 'Boris Island', 'Boris' this that & the other -

    Next up, ratified sometime in 2020, a Boris Brexit.

    Essentially the same as Theresa's May's Brexit but infinitely better because it has 'Boris' in front of it.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2019
    May I just say re Stacey Dooley that David Lammy is a bigger arse than I thought possible. Thank you.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    STOP WRITING
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,233
    My Boris prediction -

    118.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905

    Re the Leadsom odds, one possible explanation is that somebody out there knows there is a story that will force Johnson out. In that case, she suddenly becomes a strong candidate - it would be her, Raab and McVey for the Brexit vote.

    (Hastily checks to see if Leadsom or Johnson winning is my biggest red).
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488

    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
    Was the circumstance not that he was married at the time, and his wife left him when she found out about the pregnancy?
    Ah, an action with far reaching and unintended consequences.
    Disappointed you didn’t work in a ‘pulling out’ gag there.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    nico67 said:

    One things for sure .

    Brexit has caused other EU countries to think again about embarking on the same course of action .

    Support for the EU has gone up , more Eurosceptic leaders now talk about staying in and making changes from within the EU not leaving .

    For Leavers they won’t be getting any validation from another EU country , but they can of course run along to Trump to get given a little pat on the head !

    I think for a lot of the Faragist and ERG loons Brexit alone isn’t actually enough. They see the EU as an enemy that has to be defeated. And defeat means the EU being forced to accept terms the UK has dictated. Because that will not happen they will always feel betrayed.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Root, is that a reference to the white saviour nonsense of a few months ago, or something new?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,257
    kinabalu said:

    My Boris prediction -

    118.

    Illegitimate children?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,318
    that said I think that
    isam said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I'd like to see a thread header from @isam on the virtues of Brexit. :D

    Oh and happy First Round Thursday PB :)

    Happy to oblige!

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/mass-immigration-stealth-tax-on-working.html
    It's a good article and no one should try to wriggle out of the fact that immigration has depressed the wages of the lowest-paid. Although over the period 1992 - 2017 wages of the lowest paid rose nearly 50% so the depression must be taken in context ( https://ft.com/content/797f7b42-bb44-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5 )

    So what's my (gilded cage) view on it all? The orthodoxy is that low-skilled immigrants push the indigenous population up the labour value chain although there is a like-for-like skills match often. I think that as aggregate rather than per capita GDP grows then that gives the government more room to help those indigenous lower paid workers, in education, for example.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Ken Clarke, laid back as ever, just makes the deadline apparently to vote for Rory.

    Sound man as always
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079

    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
    She should have run for the leadership.

    "I'm the only candidate with a proven record of delivering Brexit."
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    kinabalu said:

    My Boris prediction -

    118.

    Illegitimate children?
    Possibly an overlap, but the number of stories Gove's wife is trying to get in the Sunday papers....
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,260
    Boris at his lowest yet? 1.37
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141
    edited June 2019

    That can't be right - after we leave the whole evil empire is going to collapse under the domino effect surely?

    The vague domino effect thing is another data point for the "Brexit is the Tory Vietnam" theory
    The average age of the
    UK voter was forty

    [Chorus]
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    S-s-s-s-seventy two
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905

    May I just say re Stacey Dooley that David Lammy is a bigger arse than I thought possible. Thank you.

    Nearly as big of an arse as the head of one of our few good charities, who panders to this racist nonsense.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215
    edited June 2019
    Sandpit said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is this going to do any better than the attempted dragging of Boris to court?

    Offensive speech certainly,
    racist speech possibly,
    incitement to violence no,
    comments aimed at a specific individual no.
    I thought it was a libel claim in relation to the comments made by Corbyn at a pro-Palestinian event where he talked about Jews lacking irony etc and at which the claimant, Richard Millett, was present.
    Ah okay, so it will get tested in court then. That could be very awkward indeed for Mr Corbyn, not to mention very expensive to defend.

    Did you enjoy NY (apart from the airport experience and having your speech cancelled)?
    It was the most pointless work trip ever.

    As Bogart should have put it: "Of all the buildings in all the world, it had to fall onto mine!"

    Basically, I had two luxurious flights on Virgin Upper Class, ate two delicious meals in NY, met a friend, saw a good exhibition at the NY Public Library (about the 50th anniversary of Stonewall), sat in the park in the sunshine and wrote this header.

    I nearly managed to lose both my phone and glasses on the flight and it was only the brilliance of the Virgin ladies that saved me from my own unexpected ditziness.

    I am now pretty bloody tired. Flights never agree with me - what with my asthma and Protein Factor C deficiency which makes me prone to thrombosis (which I've had twice).

    But I hope the event will be rearranged. And it provides material for a good story. :)
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    kinabalu said:

    My Boris prediction -

    118.

    Illegitimate children?
    Possibly an overlap, but the number of stories Gove's wife is trying to get in the Sunday papers....
    Gove's wife is one of those annoying people in life.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,688

    May I just say re Stacey Dooley that David Lammy is a bigger arse than I thought possible. Thank you.

    Context?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    May I just say re Stacey Dooley that David Lammy is a bigger arse than I thought possible. Thank you.

    Context?
    Read up about it on the bbc website
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141

    Sandpit said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    This raised a Platonic (PB version) wtf from me! Is their sprog really called Brexit?

    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1139112671826108416

    Nickname.

    He was born the day Article 50 was triggered.
    And quite conceivably conceived on EUref day. We all have our celebratory rituals.
    I wonder if it was planned or accidental?

    'We weren't expecting this outcome but we're going to make a bloody good go of it. Brexit Clifford means Brexit Clifford!'
    Was the circumstance not that he was married at the time, and his wife left him when she found out about the pregnancy?
    Ah, an action with far reaching and unintended consequences.
    Disappointed you didn’t work in a ‘pulling out’ gag there.
    Did try, but all I could come out with was 'are you out yet?' which didn't really fit.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    I hope Rory makes > 17 but equally am fully aware he has no chance.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905

    I hope Rory makes > 17 but equally am fully aware he has no chance.

    He’s done himself no harm at all for a run next time though, even if he’s not what what’s been looked for at the moment.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    I'd be surprised if Boris clears 110. We should recall that in 2016 the undeclareds split fairly evenly amongst the candidates, perhaps reflecting that they were genuinely a bloc of undecideds. And while Boris might get more votes due to his frontrunner status, you can't curry favour by voting for someone in a secret ballot. And May was an even bigger frontrunner in 2016 by this stage, but she didn't gain hugely from the undeclared.

    It might be different this time, for sure, I'm just saying that I (literally) wouldn't bet on it. 95-105 is my guess, and I'm on at Ladbrokes for 90-99 and 100+ brackets.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,233

    The average age of the
    UK voter was forty

    [Chorus]
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    S-s-s-s-seventy two

    :smile:

    No Viet Cong ever called me Gammon.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,141

    May I just say re Stacey Dooley that David Lammy is a bigger arse than I thought possible. Thank you.

    Context?
    Read up about it on the bbc website
    There doesn't seem to be anything new from Lammy, just more self exoneration (justified or not) from Dooley?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,291

    STOP WRITING

    Ban it altogether?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,260
    Sandpit said:

    I hope Rory makes > 17 but equally am fully aware he has no chance.

    He’s done himself no harm at all for a run next time though, even if he’s not what what’s been looked for at the moment.
    He is just the man to pick up the pieces when Boris's premiership detonates.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    New thread
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. B2, bloody Mesopotamians and their fancy cuneiform.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    How will those who constantly advised us lay Boris at 5/1 and bigger over the last two years apologise to @HYUFD for the snarky comments they threw at him when he begged to differ?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,905
    Any odds on the number of votes cast for Boris in a secret ballot being fewer than the number of MPs who said publicly they voted for him?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    kinabalu said:

    They absolutely will. That must be Boris's plan: revive Theresa's deal (possibly with some trivial 'amendments') then sit back as the joyous right-wing media/Tory party dance around the Boris maypole.

    I think so. All this 'No Deal' stuff is just to get the job.

    'Boris Bikes', 'Boris Island', 'Boris' this that & the other -

    Next up, ratified sometime in 2020, a Boris Brexit.

    Essentially the same as Theresa's May's Brexit but infinitely better because it has 'Boris' in front of it.
    You forgot Boris Bus!
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    That can't be right - after we leave the whole evil empire is going to collapse under the domino effect surely?

    The vague domino effect thing is another data point for the "Brexit is the Tory Vietnam" theory
    The average age of the
    UK voter was forty

    [Chorus]
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    S-s-s-s-seventy two
    The average age of a person in the UK is about 40, but the average age of a voter would be a fair bit higher (as under 18s pull the average age of people in the UK down, but aren't voters).

    And if you mean actual voter rather than person eligible to vote, the average would be higher still (as older age groups are disproportionately likely to vote).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079

    That can't be right - after we leave the whole evil empire is going to collapse under the domino effect surely?

    The vague domino effect thing is another data point for the "Brexit is the Tory Vietnam" theory
    The average age of the
    UK voter was forty

    [Chorus]
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    On Conhome, he was seventy two
    S-s-s-s-seventy two
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJFvtvTGEk
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,694

    kinabalu said:

    They absolutely will. That must be Boris's plan: revive Theresa's deal (possibly with some trivial 'amendments') then sit back as the joyous right-wing media/Tory party dance around the Boris maypole.

    I think so. All this 'No Deal' stuff is just to get the job.

    'Boris Bikes', 'Boris Island', 'Boris' this that & the other -

    Next up, ratified sometime in 2020, a Boris Brexit.

    Essentially the same as Theresa's May's Brexit but infinitely better because it has 'Boris' in front of it.
    You forgot Boris Bus!
    And Boris Bridge...
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,257
    Sandpit said:

    I hope Rory makes > 17 but equally am fully aware he has no chance.

    He’s done himself no harm at all for a run next time though, even if he’s not what what’s been looked for at the moment.
    Rory could lead the same breakaway when Boris splits the party
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